Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 256398 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Brussels Journal.

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#182727 Jul 13, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus paid a very small Jizyah (tribute money or tax) with some one's lost coin, which the fish had found. On top of that, he included Peter too. Quite smart!
And Jesus made the distinction that the tax was not ordained by God, but of man.
Muhammad falsely placed the tax as extortion from God and blasphemed
God.
Quran 9:29
Sahih International
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture -[fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Muhammad expressed that Muslims are wild savage dogs that blasphemy
God.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#182728 Jul 13, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
All I did was to explain that Allah does not like the pacifist who doesn't want to fight, and all that you did was to give a reason why they were fighting.

Do you want me to mention the verse where it tells them to lie in wait in ambush and says wherever YOU find THEM, not when THEY find YOU? Is that strictly defensive fighting?
Sure!

It is better that I quote you, so that you cannot cherry-pick:

Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way.

They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): so take not friends from their ranks until they forsake the domain of evil in the way of God (from what is forbidden).

But if they revert to [open] enmity, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.

Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (Of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people.

If God had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (guarantees of) peace, then God hath opened no way for you (to war against them).

Others you will find that wish to gain your confidence as well as that of their people: every time they are sent back to temptation, they succumb thereto; if they withdraw not from you nor give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands, seize them and slay them wherever ye get them; in their case We have provided you with a clear argument against them [Noble Quran 4:88-91]

Even the modern warfare is conducted in the same manner. Right?

bmz

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#182729 Jul 13, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>And Jesus made the distinction that the tax was not ordained by God, but of man.
The point is that Jesus paid Jizyah to Romans and that too with some one's lost coin, which was found by the fish.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#182730 Jul 13, 2013
Shamma wrote:
Every Sura prior to Sura 9:29 is been abrogated.

It is the later Sura's that are the law.

What you quoted are invalid.

Sura 9:29 all Muslims are obligated under to obey.

Sahih International
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture -[fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.
What you posted is to deceive the non-believer into thinking Islam is a peace full religion.

But Sura 9:29 is the law that turns Muslims into wild savage dogs.
No, ignorant fool. Nothing has been abrogated.

Surah 9 starts with a warning that was given to the Meccan pagans. They were given four months' notice period to mend their ways or face the divine music..

bmz

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#182731 Jul 13, 2013
Shamma wrote:
Muhammad expressed that Muslims are wild savage dogs that blasphemy
God.
Why did Jesus hate dogs?

Why did he call the Canaanite woman a dog?

Why did Jesus use that crude and dirty example? Couldn't he give some other example?

Why did Jesus not give the same dirty example when he healed the Centurion's partner, without a single doggy comment?
Mahmood

Schomberg, Canada

#182732 Jul 13, 2013
God, manufactured by mortals in own quintessential image, exists only to make daily life bearable despite the path that every one of us treads towards extinction. As long as men are obliged to die, some of them unable to endure the propect will concoct fond illusions (heaven, hell, judgement day etc). We cannot assassinate or kill an illusion. In fact, illusion is more likely to kill us for God puts to death everything that stands up to him, beginning with reason, intelligence, and the critical mind.
JOEL

India

#182733 Jul 13, 2013
To puff up his ego, Allah demands animal sacrifices, persecution/murder of infidels, kissing a stone phallus and fasting. LOL.
JOEL

India

#182734 Jul 13, 2013
What can fasting achieve? Nothing at all. The individual, the collectivity and the earth nature remain unaltered despite the fasting and praying.. Besides, fasting by day, feasting by night (when the metabolic system shuts down or slows down due to the retreat of the surface consciousness with its concomitant energy into the subliminal depths) is unscientific and damaging.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#182735 Jul 13, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure!
It is better that I quote you
Forgot a few
9:5. So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

Wherever YOU find THEM, and lie in wait for them in every ambush. It doesn't say anything about them being attacked, it really seems to say go out and attack them. Then, of course, if they become Muslims, leave them alone. You don't honestly think that Islam spread throughout the entire Arabian Peninsula via defensive fighting only, do you? You don't think that everybody in the entire Arabian Peninsula was always attacking Muslims first, do you?

9:38. O you who believe! What (excuse) have you that when it is said to you: Go forth in Allah's way, you should incline heavily to earth; are you contented with this world's life instead of the hereafter? But the provision of this world's life compared with the hereafter is but little.

9:39. If you do not go forth, He will chastise you with a painful chastisement and bring in your place a people other than you, and you will do Him no harm; and Allah has power over all things.

Go forth means offensive fighting, not protecting their land when the enemy shows up at their doorstep. You don't have to tell people to fight to protect themselves, but sometimes you DO have to tell them to go out from their land and fight offensively, as some might feel that they are not threatened and it is unnecessary. Very similar to 2:216

48:16
Say to those of the dwellers of the desert who were left behind: You shall soon be invited (to fight) against a people possessing mighty prowess; you will fight against them until they submit; then if you obey, Allah will grant you a good reward; and if you turn back as you turned back before, He will punish you with a painful punishment.

Turn back? How does one turn back if their land is being invaded? It wasn't, it was the Muslims invading other lands.

8:5. Even as your Lord caused you to go forth from your house with the truth, though a party of the believers were surely averse;

Now why would anybody be averse to defending themselves when attacked? They weren't being attacked, they were going on the offensive.

4:77
Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold your hands, and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate; but when fighting is prescribed for them, lo! a party of them fear men as they ought to have feared Allah, or (even) with a greater fear, and say: Our Lord! why hast Thou ordained fighting for us? Wherefore didst Thou not grant us a delay to a near end?

That doesn't sound like someone who is being attacked to me. It sounds like someone who is being asked to attack.

4:100.
And whoever flies in Allah's way, he will find in the earth many a place of refuge and abundant resources, and whoever goes forth from his house flying to Allah and His Apostle, and then death overtakes him, his reward is indeed with Allah and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

4:104.
And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain, and you hope from Allah what they do not hope; and Allah is Knowing, Wise.

PURSUIT of the enemy?
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#182736 Jul 13, 2013
Muslims are never more in their glory than when they are fighting. In Islam, it's not just a necessary evil, it's glory.

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#182737 Jul 13, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
No, ignorant fool. Nothing has been abrogated.
Surah 9 starts with a warning that was given to the Meccan pagans. They were given four months' notice period to mend their ways or face the divine music..
You are a liar!
Sura 9:29 is the law of Jihad that all Muslims are bound by.
So don't shove your bull-shit along with your wild savage Muslim dog mind set on me.

I know better, Muslim Jihad is being committed everyday in this world by Muslims with the savage mind set of wild savage dogs.

Muslims are killing Muslims and non-Muslims over Sura 9:29.
Morsi is an example of Sura 9:29.

Muslims need to face the reality that Muhammad was possessed with evil demons.

yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#182738 Jul 13, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>You need to ask God to enlighten your mind rabbee as to what TheTorah is all about.
You are preaching the Adam that is in the Muslim Koran.
Allah had all the angels bow to Adam, and you are claiming to be that Adam in the Muslim Koran rabbee.
Are you the Muslim Adam in the Koran rabbee?
rabbi: well you are still, lying about it. TheWay it is accurately written, is TheWay it has been precisely actually happening. It is TheWord of G-D, and shall all happen TheWay G-D Has Already Said. all you are doing is mentally fooling yourself, that it is not all happening exactly as stated by G-D. the world does not happen the way, you, science, or alleged history of men. but exactly TheWay, G-D said.
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#182739 Jul 13, 2013
Seeker wrote:
Muslims <SNIP>..., it's glory.
Good
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#182740 Jul 13, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Forgot a few..<SNIP>...; and Allah is Knowing, Wise.
....
Good
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#182741 Jul 13, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Why did Jesus hate dogs?
Why did he call the Canaanite woman a dog?
Why did Jesus use that crude and dirty example? Couldn't he give some other example?
Why did Jesus not give the same dirty example when he healed the Centurion's partner, without a single doggy comment?
rabbee: well first of all, They did not hate dogs. what they hate is alleged as people, acting like talking dogs, lizards, and pigs instead of being Human as described by G-D. and would not of called anyone a dog, unless they acted doglike. for if you act lizard-like, then so shall you be called a serpent-like subtle beast of the fields.

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#182742 Jul 13, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
<SNIP>. Didn't read the rest. If you want me to start reading your posts again, then produce your source for Isaiah 9:6. It's that simple. I'm tired of playing stupid little sandbox games with you. So if you do not have your source for Isaiah 9:6 in the first sentence of any post to me, you can count on me not reading the rest, so don't even waste your keystrokes. It's about time you start behaving like a civilized forum participant should.
Alex is playing you like a YO YO.
Alex does give a dam about what the scripture says.
Alex has you as his slave running all over scripture to amuse himself.
This is a Muslim Forum, and Alex has you defending Jesus and Alex cares less about Jesus, and you are to ignorant to have Alex defend Muhammad, and Alex cannot do that.
So You are Alex's slave dummy.

bmz

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#182743 Jul 13, 2013
Shamma wrote:
You are a liar!

So don't shove your bull-shit along with your wild savage Muslim dog mind set on me.

I know better, Muslim Jihad is being committed everyday in this world by Muslims with the savage mind set of wild savage dogs.
Can you stop using the word dog, please. Only your Lord Jesus was entitled to use that dirty word. When ever I read the story of the Canaanite woman, whom he compared with dog, I feel sad on his racist remark.

There was no need for him to give the shameful example of dog. And this bad habit of Jesus calling others dog, has entered you through Jesus, just as sin entered the Christian world through Paul.

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#182744 Jul 13, 2013
@ Seeker:
Correction.
Alex does not give a dam about what scriptures says.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#182745 Jul 13, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
God, manufactured by mortals in own quintessential image, exists only to make daily life bearable despite the path that every one of us treads towards extinction. As long as men are obliged to die, some of them unable to endure the propect will concoct fond illusions (heaven, hell, judgement day etc). We cannot assassinate or kill an illusion. In fact, illusion is more likely to kill us for God puts to death everything that stands up to him, beginning with reason, intelligence, and the critical mind.
rabbee: if this were true: "In fact, illusion is more likely to kill us for God puts to death everything that stands up to him, beginning with reason, intelligence, and the critical mind." you would have all, been long dead by now. so you all must be living, on borrowed mercy from G-D.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#182746 Jul 13, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Forgot a few
9:5. So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Wherever YOU find THEM, and lie in wait for them in every ambush. It doesn't say anything about them being attacked, it really seems to say go out and attack them. Then, of course, if they become Muslims, leave them alone. You don't honestly think that Islam spread throughout the entire Arabian Peninsula via defensive fighting only, do you? You don't think that everybody in the entire Arabian Peninsula was always attacking Muslims first, do you?
9:38. O you who believe! What (excuse) have you that when it is said to you: Go forth in Allah's way, you should incline heavily to earth; are you contented with this world's life instead of the hereafter? But the provision of this world's life compared with the hereafter is but little.
9:39. If you do not go forth, He will chastise you with a painful chastisement and bring in your place a people other than you, and you will do Him no harm; and Allah has power over all things.
Go forth means offensive fighting, not protecting their land when the enemy shows up at their doorstep. You don't have to tell people to fight to protect themselves, but sometimes you DO have to tell them to go out from their land and fight offensively, as some might feel that they are not threatened and it is unnecessary. Very similar to 2:216
48:16
Say to those of the dwellers of the desert who were left behind: You shall soon be invited (to fight) against a people possessing mighty prowess; you will fight against them until they submit; then if you obey, Allah will grant you a good reward; and if you turn back as you turned back before, He will punish you with a painful punishment.
Turn back? How does one turn back if their land is being invaded? It wasn't, it was the Muslims invading other lands.
8:5. Even as your Lord caused you to go forth from your house with the truth, though a party of the believers were surely averse;
Now why would anybody be averse to defending themselves when attacked? They weren't being attacked, they were going on the offensive.
4:77
Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold your hands, and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate; but when fighting is prescribed for them, lo! a party of them fear men as they ought to have feared Allah, or (even) with a greater fear, and say: Our Lord! why hast Thou ordained fighting for us? Wherefore didst Thou not grant us a delay to a near end?
That doesn't sound like someone who is being attacked to me. It sounds like someone who is being asked to attack.
4:100.
And whoever flies in Allah's way, he will find in the earth many a place of refuge and abundant resources, and whoever goes forth from his house flying to Allah and His Apostle, and then death overtakes him, his reward is indeed with Allah and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
4:104.
And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain, and you hope from Allah what they do not hope; and Allah is Knowing, Wise.
PURSUIT of the enemy?
You can never understand because you do not read the chapters. Look at your sequence:

9:5

9:38

9:39

48:16

8:5

4:77

4:100

4:104

How can you learn this way? For the Bible, jump study is okay but for Qur'aan, you have to read all chapters.

Why do you find pursuit of enemy so difficult to understand?

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