Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 253556 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#182676 Jul 12, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>That is all that needs to to be said.
If you have sanity you will except that truth.
If you don't have sanity you will continue to call other people liars as you have been doing.
rabbee: your way to close to being true to the more subtle, than any other beast of the fields to be true to G-D here in TheTorah Happening. your so far from the real truth of G-D, it is apathetically pathetic. you hypocrite, your doing the same thing with the muslems. i am just telling you all, that your all full of hogwash.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#182677 Jul 12, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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So let me see if I can guess what is going on. What you write here is an extension to the Torah? Or is it a correction of the Torah and everybody but you has the wrong version? Should we all throw out the Torah that we have and listen to your version instead?
rabbee: extension??? this is TheTorah, we are all here in. we are all here in the long, long, long version. because you all screwed up, another opportunity to enter GanEden. there is no correction taking place here, your all making the exact same mental mistakes as the last two Torot Times. with your assuming, you all not here in TheOnly Story TheG-D of Only TheTorah is still giving.

try reading TheTorah about G-D, coming to speak with TheHisSon adam. cause it is all happening, exactly like it says in The-Written Torah. the first visit, is when G-D came to tell about this woman as the alleged grandmother of this whole world here in TheTorah. i was only about eight years old, when G-D came with Angels and angels all over the place to tell me about this.

i am telling you, this meeting between G-D and adam, has actually already happened again here in The-Story as told by G-D. and that the grandmother of this whole world, has again been deceived by the more subtle than any other beast of the fields. so what G-D says is happening, in TheWritten Torah, is still all happening in TheNow here in IT.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#182678 Jul 12, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: TheScroll, only describes what has been, is, shall forever actually happen to this world rejecting G-D. TheTorah Scroll, is much more than just an alleged book. TheScroll just describes, what is going on here in IT, yesterday, today, and tomorrow from day one, to day seven just again.
OK, so do we have the right version of the Torah or should we all throw it out in favor of your version? I can't find many of the things that you say such as the return of Adam, or that this is the third time that the earth has started over and repeated itself and many other things in the Torah at all. So am I reading the wrong version?
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#182679 Jul 12, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: extension??? this is TheTorah, we are all here in. we are all here in the long, long, long version.
Okay, so I think that you are saying that the Torah is not a collection of 5 books given to Moses with various laws and events written in them, TheTorah is life itself. Do I have that correct?
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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because you all screwed up, another opportunity to enter GanEden. there is no correction taking place here, your all making the exact same mental mistakes as the last two Torot Times. with your assuming, you all not here in TheOnly Story TheG-D of Only TheTorah is still giving.
try reading TheTorah about G-D, coming to speak with TheHisSon adam. cause it is all happening, exactly like it says in The-Written Torah. the first visit, is when G-D came to tell about this woman as the alleged grandmother of this whole world here in TheTorah. i was only about eight years old, when G-D came with Angels and angels all over the place to tell me about this.
i am telling you, this meeting between G-D and adam, has actually already happened again here in The-Story as told by G-D. and that the grandmother of this whole world, has again been deceived by the more subtle than any other beast of the fields. so what G-D says is happening, in TheWritten Torah, is still all happening in TheNow here in IT.
Okay, so are you saying that Eve, or whatever name you want to give her, has eaten from the tree of knowledge a third time around instead of just once, like my copy of the Torah says? If I can't find what you say in my copy, do I have the wrong copy?
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#182680 Jul 12, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a very good reason for me entertaining what he is doing. Maybe you will see that if he continues. Sometimes, all that people can do is to criticize, but when you ask them to start clarifying and provide advice as to what people SHOULD do, the story starts to unravel. That's the hard part. First it needs to be established whether everybody is supposed to throw their Torah out and simply listen to his version of it. Then it goes from there. He's asking for attention, so I'm going to give him all the attention that he wants, and now he is going to have to get into specifics. So let's see how he does.
rabbee: i have no intention of entertaining, you all. and if i wanted attention, i would be telling you all what your vanity wants to hear. instead of telling you all, what you don't want to hear. but if i told you all what you wanted to hear, it would be a lie not true to G-D.

i know what muslems, christians, jews, and other pagans want to hear. if i only wanted attention, i could do that. but it, would all be a lie. if you can't accept the truth here in TheTorah, you can't make the mental corrections necessary.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#182681 Jul 12, 2013
Alex123 WM wrote:
<quoted text>
SalaamZ and greetings dear Rabbeen Al Jihad.
Vatican is setting up many dry cleaning businesses as they are into money laundering...
Do you think that rome and brazil are using vatican to launder money too? LOL
The chinese laundries are being bought by the vatican it seems!
What a C I R C U S indeed!
Vatican has made BJ redundant...
Do you know how they collect AND keep ALL the money?
They tell punters.."Thank you for all your donations. We will now throw all the money you gave us in the direction of father son and ghost UP in heaven and what they don't want will fall back on earth, and reluctantly we shall keep it"!!!! LOL.
CheerZ.
Isaiah 56:11 "Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand, they all look to their own way, everyone for his gain from his quarter". That is from the OT and their own book condemns them. Also Malachi 2:1-10 is about the entire sex abuse scandal in the Catholic church but I think it's more pervasive. These priests remind me of this guy I know who only wants sex and money.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#182682 Jul 12, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
And here is the funniest part that proves just how poor you are at logic and rational thought. You say that since Peter was illiterate (when there is no proof of that at all), then he could not be the creator of any book, and yet Muhammad was illiterate, and people were able to transcribe the things that he said. So people could transcribe what Muhammad said, but they couldn't transcribe what Peter said? See how awful your logic is? You just don't think.
Nothing funny at all, Seeker.

Muhammad recited what ever was revealed and people recorded it.

Peter did not recite anything as he was revealed nothing. Even Jesus was not recorded as he spoke.

That is why the gospels are named as "Gospel, according to......."
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#182683 Jul 12, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>What Jesus and Paul accomplished is no reason for Muslims to kill innocent people for their beliefs like wild savage dogs Alex.
Muslims kill like wild savage dogs because Muhammad instilled his wild savage dog mind set into the mind of Muslims.
Muslims are cursed!
The curse of Muhammad on Muslims.
It falsely seemed self-evident to Muhammad that his simple creed was suited to everybody, that he wished in that particular sweeping fashion to impose it on everybody.
In Muhammad's narrow mind he placed heavy rules on his followers.
It was because Islam was broad that Muslims were narrow. And because it was not a hard religion it was a heavy rule. Because it was without a self-correcting complexity, it allowed of those simple and masculine but mostly rather dangerous appetites that show themselves in a chieftain or a war lord. As it had the simplest sort of religion, monotheism, so it had the simplest sort of government, monarchy.
There is exactly the same direct spirit in its despotism as in its deism. The Code, the Common Law, the give and take of charters and chivalric vows, did not grow in the tribal minds of the people that lived in the desert.
The great sun was in the sky and the great Saladin was in his tent, and he must be obeyed unless he were assassinated.
"There is in Islam a paradox which is perhaps a permanent menace. The great creed born in the desert creates a kind of ecstasy out of the very emptiness of its own land, and even, one may say, out of the emptiness of its own theology. It affirms, with no little sublimity, something that is not merely the singleness but rather the solitude of God.
There is the same extreme simplification in the solitary figure of the Prophet Muhammad; and yet this isolation perpetually reacts into its own opposite.
A void is made in the heart of Islam which has to be filled up again and again by a mere repetition of the revolution that founded it.
There are no self-correcting modes of moral conduct to correct the evil that explodes from within the need to subdue and conquer those that reject the principle rules set by Muhammad.
The only thing that happens is a repeated war over and over and over against those that oppose Muhammad's lack of moral principles.
The curse is that Muslims are bound by their oath of loyalty to Muhammad to continue to repeatedly bring death and destruction to the human life of those that reject their prophet Muhammad.
Come, let us join hands and curse Paul. He is the one, who made Christians loyal to a man and took them away from God, just like Satan.

Let Paul remain accursed! Aaaaaaamen!

lol!
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#182684 Jul 12, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Isaiah 56:11 "Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand, they all look to their own way, everyone for his gain from his quarter". That is from the OT and their own book condemns them. Also Malachi 2:1-10 is about the entire sex abuse scandal in the Catholic church but I think it's more pervasive. These priests remind me of this guy I know who only wants sex and money.
You are very well-read, Susan.

Malachi 2:1-10 was a prophesy about the Church and her priests.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#182685 Jul 12, 2013
Fateh wrote:
<quoted text>
"What was the moment or time or lunar day or day of the week or season or month when the Cosmos was created? The learned pundits did not know the time for otherwise they would have recorded it in the puranas (specific groups of Hindu scriptures). Nor did the learned Qazis know the time for creation, otherwise they have written it in the Quran. Neither do the yogis know the date or day or month or season when the Cosmos was created. It is only the Creator, Who created the Cosmos, knows."
No one really knows, Fateh but I was trying to show what Shamma may think.
Rabbeen Al Jihad

Salt Lake City, UT

#182686 Jul 12, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
But all the while, they are following their Quran quite well. I remember that meat clever guy in the UK quoting things from the Quran like "fight them as they fight you" and apologizing that women had to see what they saw. That was a real, dedicated, pious Muslim simply following his Quran and "fighting in the way of Allah". After all, the victim was a former soldier in Afghanistan, so in Islam and the Quran, that makes him quite the legitimate target. That meat clever guy is going to paradise according to Islam, after he spends the rest of his life in jail. Thank God Britain doesn't have the death penalty as I would hate to see him get his wish.
SalaamZ SneeKr. I disagree whole heartedly! Terrorism is not sanction'd by the holy-Qur'An. Where as some fly by night Imams interpretation of it might very well be misunderstood as service to ALLAHs cause. CheerZ
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#182687 Jul 12, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
So let me see if I can guess what is going on. What you write here is an extension to the Torah? Or is it a correction of the Torah and everybody but you has the wrong version? Should we all throw out the Torah that we have and listen to your version instead?
Deuteronomy 13:1-5 tells us not to listen to a prophet or spiritual person who advocates going after other gods. Verse 4 "Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him" The rebbee is a false prophet and he's trying to lead you all astray.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#182688 Jul 12, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Nothing funny at all, Seeker.
Muhammad recited what ever was revealed and people recorded it.
Peter did not recite anything as he was revealed nothing. Even Jesus was not recorded as he spoke.
That is why the gospels are named as "Gospel, according to......."
But you are saying that it is impossible for Peter to have created any book since he was illiterate. But clearly, he could merely say things to someone else and have them transcribe it. But that's irrelevant anyway because you failed miserable at proving he was illiterate anyway. In that verse you used, nobody asked Peter to read or write anything, so how could the Rabbi authorities know whether he was illiterate or not? They didn't, they were commenting about his speaking style and the content of what he said and saying that he never attended any formal Rabbinical school and therefore wondered where he thought he had the authority to speak as he did in front of people. That was what was meant by unschooled or unlearned. Nobody said, hey Peter, read this.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#182689 Jul 12, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
You are very well-read, Susan.
Malachi 2:1-10 was a prophesy about the Church and her priests.
Absolutely bmz, and it's been fulfilled.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#182690 Jul 12, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
obviously not, you retard

The more I follow your line of questioning, I think you are the one with the less marbles than Mr yehoshua
lol!

That was a great tip.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#182691 Jul 12, 2013
Rabbeen Al Jihad wrote:
<quoted text>SalaamZ SneeKr. I disagree whole heartedly! Terrorism is not sanction'd by the holy-Qur'An. Where as some fly by night Imams interpretation of it might very well be misunderstood as service to ALLAHs cause. CheerZ
Do I have to actually get the verses? Maybe you would like the ones about striking terror into their hearts? Or maybe the ones about smiting their necks like they tried to do to Rigby? Or maybe the one they quoted about fight them as they fight you? Wasn't Rigby a former soldier in Afghanistan? So what was the meat clever guy doing wrong? What part of the Quran did he violate? He didn't kill any women, right? As Choudary would say, "this is Islam". Face it. Your denial reminds me of this verse.

2:216
Fighting is ordained for you, even though it be hateful to you; but it may well be that you hate a thing the while it is good for you, and it may well be that you love a thing the while it is bad for you: and God knows, whereas you do not know.

So while you may not like it, it is ordained for you as a Muslim, and if you don't like it, then you are not being a real Muslim and this verse is talking about people like you. Allah does not like the pacifist who does not want to fight.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#182692 Jul 12, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
But you are saying that it is impossible for Peter to have created any book since he was illiterate. But clearly, he could merely say things to someone else and have them transcribe it. But that's irrelevant anyway because you failed miserable at proving he was illiterate anyway. In that verse you used, nobody asked Peter to read or write anything, so how could the Rabbi authorities know whether he was illiterate or not? They didn't, they were commenting about his speaking style and the content of what he said and saying that he never attended any formal Rabbinical school and therefore wondered where he thought he had the authority to speak as he did in front of people. That was what was meant by unschooled or unlearned. Nobody said, hey Peter, read this.
Acts describes Peter and john as unschooled or uneducated or unlearned men, Seeker.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#182693 Jul 12, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Acts describes Peter and john as unschooled or uneducated or unlearned men, Seeker.
Look, that's fine, just ignore the entire rational and logical explanation I gave. No surprise.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#182694 Jul 12, 2013
Seeker wrote:
How accurate they are, and out of all of them, the most specific and accurate would appear to me to be the one's from Mother Shipton. She was supposedly an old woman who lived as a recluse in a cave in the 12th century, but some people claim that a guy in the 1600's added to her prophecies. But even if someone in the 17th century created this, they are strikingly specific and accurate.

http://www.pyramidtlc.org/mother.htm
MUQ wrote:
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I need not have to know the names of these "Prophesy makers", because our discussion is in a particular direction.
MUQ, have you ever heard of the concept of "leading questions"? It is what a lawyer does where he controls the whole conversation and only asks certain questions and demands that the witness only be able to give certain limited answers so that the questions lead to the conclusions that he wants. Sometimes this is also done by Salesmen. It really isn't seen as very honest and is usually not even allowed in any debate. But this is precisely what you are attempting to do whether you realize it or not, and it is in no shape or form a proper method of debate. First you want to shape the rules, then you want to shape the order of the questions, then you want to shape the only allowable answers. I'm not stupid at all. I probably am far more educated than you are which is why I recognize exactly what you are attempting, when you might not even be educated enough to realize what you are attempting. And again, this is never considered an acceptable or proper form of debate.
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
PS:
I have left out all personal remarks and want to focus on topic.
So I repeat my Question:
What is the difference between Prophesies made by prophets of God and those who are in the "prophesy business"
None of the people I referenced considered themselves to be in the "prophecy business" and all claimed that their prophecies came from visions.

I'm sorry that you didn't get the answer you expected so that it fits into your "road map", but if you were more educated, you wouldn't have even attempted your road map and would have known better.
Ans.

01. I think both of us know what is aim of our discussion. But if we jump straight into that topic without laying some foundation and knowing about each other’s views, it would be a fruitless discussion.

02. That is the reason I want to sort out some important issues, the purpose is not to “cross examine you by asking leading questions”.

03. We agreed that Prophesies are for telling about some future event.

04. Then I asked you who make these prophesies, you said Prophets and some other people.

05. I then asked you, what is difference between prophesies made by prophets and other people. This is a very logical question but your answer is not very clear.

06. Can I say that Prophets get the information direct from God and these other persons from some sort of vision, will you agree with that?

07. And can I say prophesies made by Prophets of God are always true and shall come to pass, but those made by other people, might come to pass, or might not come to pass.

Please provide your comments or agreement on this, before we come to the next step.

PS:

a. I did not mean any disrespect by calling other people in “prophesy business”. I just wanted to separate them from Prophets of God. It does not necessarily mean that they had a “business”

b. You have to be patient with me, because I said earlier that I want this to be a slow step by step discussion.
Fateh

Toronto, Canada

#182695 Jul 12, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
No one really knows, Fateh but I was trying to show what Shamma may think.
I was trying to elaborate on your point that know one really knows.

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