Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 256295 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Seeker

Lowell, MA

#180945 Jun 24, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
there is but one accounting, that TheG-D of Only TheTorah has ever given. and not one of you believe you are here, in The-Only-Accounting G-D HIMSELF ever actually gave. when TheOne G-D gave to us all, is TheOne we are all actually here in.
this is not the story, of the second coming of anyone named jesus. this is the story of the second coming of Adam. with all of you believing in, lying talking critters rather than G-D.
LOL!!!
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#180946 Jun 24, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
The Re-accounting that G-D gave to Moshe, is TheOne we are actually all here in.
so do not tell me TheG-D, of Only TheTorah. is the liar, with all of your not here in TheTorah delusional lying. for not one of your believe in TheG-D, here in TheTorah agains.
"You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond it is another dimension - a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind. You're moving into a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas. You've just crossed over into the Twilight Zone."

doo doo doo doo
doo doo doo doo
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#180947 Jun 24, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
"You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond it is another dimension - a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind. You're moving into a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas. You've just crossed over into the Twilight Zone."
doo doo doo doo
doo doo doo doo
rabbee: well i am not the one, in another dementia that G-D never gave. i only accept, what is true from G-D. and none of your other scriptures, are truly from G-D. a dementia, may seem like another dimension, but it isn't really. it's more like, the mary poppins now you see it and now you don't quantum theory.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#180948 Jun 24, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: well i am not the one, in another dementia that G-D never gave. i only accept, what is true from G-D. and none of your other scriptures, are truly from G-D. a dementia, may seem like another dimension, but it isn't really. it's more like, the mary poppins now you see it and now you don't quantum theory.
okay, thanks.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#180949 Jun 24, 2013
Seeker wrote:
Christians do not level the charge of corruption against the scriptures of the Jews and they respect their validity and that there was a prior covenant that was legitimate at it's time.

But Muslims do level the charge of corruption, and therefore attempt to wipe out the Jewish scriptures and replace them with the Quran.
Interesting, Seeker.

Christians do not level the charge of corruption against the Scriptures of the Jews because they have already corrupted them. They need the Jewish Holy Scriptures to refer to but they refer through the forgery known as the Old Testament.

And they tell not only us but also the Jews that their copy has the correct meanings and interpretation but that IS NOT true at all.

The corruption by Jews in their Scriptures, is a different matter. Qur'aan accuses them of adding in stories, which were not revealed by God and accuses them of following their Rabbis, who differed.
Stories such as Genesis 38, Lot's daughters, Abraham lying to folks by saying that Sarah was his sister so that she could be safe, when that did not help at all and God had to intervene. Right?

And Muslims level the charge of corruptions against Christians for corrupting the Scriptures of Jews through their Old Testament copy.

For example, the Christians will quote us Isaiah 9:6 from their copy OT:

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

One can see how absurd that is. It means that: Jesus was the Wonderful Counselor. Jesus was Mighty God. Jesus was the Everlasting Father. Jesus was the Prince of Peace. Quite preposterous. Right?

Was he the Wonderful Counsellor? Was he the Mighty God? Was he the Everlasting Father?

So, what was he?

The correct answer lies in Isaiah 9:5 of the Jewish Holy Scriptures:

5. For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace."

So, God the Mighty and Wondrous Adviser and the Everlasting Father called the boy "the prince of peace."

How can a Christian deny the fact that I have shown?

I have just shown you one forgery in the OT. There are many.

Waht do you think?
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#180950 Jun 24, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting, Seeker.
Christians do not level the charge of corruption against the Scriptures of the Jews because they have already corrupted them. They need the Jewish Holy Scriptures to refer to but they refer through the forgery known as the Old Testament.
And they tell not only us but also the Jews that their copy has the correct meanings and interpretation but that IS NOT true at all.
The corruption by Jews in their Scriptures, is a different matter. Qur'aan accuses them of adding in stories, which were not revealed by God and accuses them of following their Rabbis, who differed.
Stories such as Genesis 38, Lot's daughters, Abraham lying to folks by saying that Sarah was his sister so that she could be safe, when that did not help at all and God had to intervene. Right?
And Muslims level the charge of corruptions against Christians for corrupting the Scriptures of Jews through their Old Testament copy.
For example, the Christians will quote us Isaiah 9:6 from their copy OT:
"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
One can see how absurd that is. It means that: Jesus was the Wonderful Counselor. Jesus was Mighty God. Jesus was the Everlasting Father. Jesus was the Prince of Peace. Quite preposterous. Right?
Was he the Wonderful Counsellor? Was he the Mighty God? Was he the Everlasting Father?
So, what was he?
The correct answer lies in Isaiah 9:5 of the Jewish Holy Scriptures:
5. For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace."
So, God the Mighty and Wondrous Adviser and the Everlasting Father called the boy "the prince of peace."
How can a Christian deny the fact that I have shown?
I have just shown you one forgery in the OT. There are many.
Waht do you think?
rabbee: oh this keeps getting, weirder by the instant. that if all this responsibility, is on my shoulders. then you are all in a lot worse condition, than you don't even want think about.

when even the mighty and wondrous adviser, and the everlasting father, and prince of peace. is talking to the bunch of non-wonderful advisors, self mighty advisers, non listening anti-peace clowns there is. what is the point of having a wondrous advisor, that no wondrous listener intends to listen to?

why don't G-D replace, you all with bricks without straw? so i would at least, stand a chance of being heard. i mean i have seen, smarter rocks than this. and the funny thing about it is, Yeseeah never said anyone was going to listen. any more than they, listened to him at that time. wait until after there dead, so you can all lie about what it means.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#180951 Jun 24, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting, Seeker.
Christians do not level the charge of corruption against the Scriptures of the Jews because they have already corrupted them. They need the Jewish Holy Scriptures to refer to but they refer through the forgery known as the Old Testament.
Show me.
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
The corruption by Jews in their Scriptures, is a different matter. Qur'aan accuses them of adding in stories, which were not revealed by God and accuses them of following their Rabbis, who differed.
Stories such as Genesis 38, Lot's daughters, Abraham lying to folks by saying that Sarah was his sister so that she could be safe, when that did not help at all and God had to intervene. Right?
What makes the Hebrew scriptures believable is that the players and prophets make mistakes, like we would expect from fallible humans. Look at Solomon. But the Jews didn't cover that up and wipe it out to make their prophets all look perfect. And the Quran does not just accuse them of following their Rabbis, it accuses them of altering the scriptures themselves so that none of them can be trusted and therefore believed, and it makes the Quran the only suitable REPLACEMENT, not addition.

5:13
"But on account of their breaking their covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard; they altered the words from their places and they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of

2:75
Do you then hope that they would believe in you, and a party from among them indeed used to hear the Word of Allah, then altered it after they had understood it, and they know (this).

5:41
....from among those who are Jews; they are listeners for the sake of a lie, listeners for another people who have not come to you; they alter the words from their places, saying: If you are given this, take it, and if you are not given this, be cautious;
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
And Muslims level the charge of corruptions against Christians for corrupting the Scriptures of Jews through their Old Testament copy.
Oh, so there is no charge of corruption of the NT? We can trust that?
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
For example, the Christians will quote us Isaiah 9:6 from their copy OT:
"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
One can see how absurd that is. It means that: Jesus was the Wonderful Counselor. Jesus was Mighty God. Jesus was the Everlasting Father. Jesus was the Prince of Peace. Quite preposterous. Right?
No, not at all.
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
The correct answer lies in Isaiah 9:5 of the Jewish Holy Scriptures:
5. For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace."
Christian version
9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

It's the same basic thing you dummy. It is 9:6 in the Christian version because someone took the last verse of Isaiah 8, 8:23, and made it 9:1. There is no 8:23 in the Christian version, but there is an 8:23 in the Jewish version. 8:23 was moved to 9:1 in the Christian version. Big deal? Why didn't you check that? Who tells you this crap?
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
So, God the Mighty and Wondrous Adviser and the Everlasting Father called the boy "the prince of peace."
How can a Christian deny the fact that I have shown?
I just did.
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I have just shown you one forgery in the OT. There are many.
Waht do you think?
That was your big bomb?
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#180952 Jun 24, 2013
And BMZ, do you want to know the funny part? Here's a Jewish source that gives the Hebrew on one side, and the English translation on the other. But curiously, when it came to the Mighty God, Prince of Peace part, they don't translate that into English, they just give the transliteration, while all the rest is in regular English. Hmmmmm..... And it's probably because the verse clearly DOES point to Jesus. Now they didn't lie, they just refused to give the actual English for that part. Interesting.

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1009.htm
"5 For a child is born unto us, a son is given unto us; and the government is upon his shoulder; and his name is called Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar -shalom;"

They aren't lying at all, but they are kind of hiding it.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#180953 Jun 24, 2013
Seeker wrote:
And BMZ, do you want to know the funny part? Here's a Jewish source that gives the Hebrew on one side, and the English translation on the other. But curiously, when it came to the Mighty God, Prince of Peace part, they don't translate that into English, they just give the transliteration, while all the rest is in regular English. Hmmmmm..... And it's probably because the verse clearly DOES point to Jesus.

Now they didn't lie, they just refused to give the actual English for that part. Interesting.

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1009.htm

"5 For a child is born unto us, a son is given unto us; and the government is upon his shoulder; and his name is called Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar -shalom;"
They aren't lying at all, but they are kind of hiding it.
Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar -shalom, means "the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace."

If my name means "The one whom Allah helped", it does not mean that I am Allah.

For example, Immanuel means "God with us". It does not mean that all persons by that name were Gods with us.

The Jews did not hide anything. The Christians distorted their verses, Seeker.

Was Jesus ever called the Mighty God? Was he ever called the Everlasting Father? Obviously not!
No name

France

#180954 Jun 24, 2013
1/the result precedes the cause:
genesis:
[3] And God said: Let there be light! And there was light.[4] And God saw that the light was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.[5] God called the light Day, and the darkness he called night. And there was evening and there was morning were the first day.
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[16] And God made two great lights, the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to rule the night: he made &#8203;&#8203;the stars also.[17] And God set them in the firmament of heaven to give light upon the earth,[18] to rule the day and the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. God saw that it was good.[19] Thus there was evening and there was morning were the fourth day
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qst: how it is that the result (day / night ==> 1 day) precedes the cause (sun ===> 4th day)?

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bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#180955 Jun 24, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Show me.
<quoted text>
What makes the Hebrew scriptures believable is that the players and prophets make mistakes, like we would expect from fallible humans. Look at Solomon. But the Jews didn't cover that up and wipe it out to make their prophets all look perfect. And the Quran does not just accuse them of following their Rabbis, it accuses them of altering the scriptures themselves so that none of them can be trusted and therefore believed, and it makes the Quran the only suitable REPLACEMENT, not addition.
5:13
"But on account of their breaking their covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard; they altered the words from their places and they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of
2:75
Do you then hope that they would believe in you, and a party from among them indeed used to hear the Word of Allah, then altered it after they had understood it, and they know (this).
5:41
....from among those who are Jews; they are listeners for the sake of a lie, listeners for another people who have not come to you; they alter the words from their places, saying: If you are given this, take it, and if you are not given this, be cautious;
<quoted text>
Oh, so there is no charge of corruption of the NT? We can trust that?
<quoted text>
No, not at all.
<quoted text>
Christian version
9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
It's the same basic thing you dummy. It is 9:6 in the Christian version because someone took the last verse of Isaiah 8, 8:23, and made it 9:1. There is no 8:23 in the Christian version, but there is an 8:23 in the Jewish version. 8:23 was moved to 9:1 in the Christian version. Big deal? Why didn't you check that? Who tells you this crap?
<quoted text>
I just did.
<quoted text>
That was your big bomb?
I was not discussing 8:23 and neither did I talk about the difference in numbers.

How can you defend the crap in 9:6 of the Isaiah in OT, when it is such a glaring forgery and distortion?

It was one of the many bombs.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#180956 Jun 24, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: oh this keeps getting, weirder by the instant. that if all this responsibility, is on my shoulders. then you are all in a lot worse condition, than you don't even want think about.
when even the mighty and wondrous adviser, and the everlasting father, and prince of peace. is talking to the bunch of non-wonderful advisors, self mighty advisers, non listening anti-peace clowns there is. what is the point of having a wondrous advisor, that no wondrous listener intends to listen to?
why don't G-D replace, you all with bricks without straw? so i would at least, stand a chance of being heard. i mean i have seen, smarter rocks than this. and the funny thing about it is, Yeseeah never said anyone was going to listen. any more than they, listened to him at that time. wait until after there dead, so you can all lie about what it means.
We are discussing the fraud and forgeries in the Old Testament. Is G-d aware of theUnholyForgeries in theOldTestament by the subtle beasts of the Church field of Christians, Rabbee? Or has he fallen asleep in theGanEden?
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#180957 Jun 24, 2013
And here is another fact BMZ

Here is Isaiah 7 From the hebrew scriptures
14 Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign: behold, the young woman shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and[e] will call him Immanuel.

The only difference is that the word virgin is used. But if she wasn't a virgin, then how could it be a sign? "Young" woman being a sign is written as virgin, which seems correct to me. Young women plus sign equals virgin. So I see no problem there at all. It's just a clarification but the meaning was not changed at all.

And do you realize what Emmanuel means? It means God with us or God is with us. So not only did Jesus claim what the Gospels say he claimed, it's even in Isaiah. He was fulfilling Isaiah. It's in the Hebrew scriptures as well. But the Jews try to make it seem like this just means that God is protecting us.

But look at the next verse
15 Curd and honey shall he eat, when he knoweth to refuse the evil, and choose the good.

And this is the Hebrew version. Jews know that things like this are in their scriptures, but they don't try to dishonestly alter them. They don't do that to their scriptures. They just try not to talk about some verses or try to give any different interpretation that they can. Because if the verses mean what they clearly seem to mean, that would mean that they killed the son with the name "God is with us" referenced in Isaiah. So you don't expect them to say that, do you? I would resist saying that if I were Jewish as well and would try to find any alternative meaning that I could, and that's what they do.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#180958 Jun 24, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I was not discussing 8:23 and neither did I talk about the difference in numbers.
How can you defend the crap in 9:6 of the Isaiah in OT, when it is such a glaring forgery and distortion?
It was one of the many bombs.
What forgery and distortion? 9:5 from the Hebrew scriptures says the same basic thing as 9:6 from the Christian version. There is only a discrepancy in the verse numbers and that's because the Christian version moved 8:23, the last verse in the Hebrew scriptures, to 9:1. There is no 8:23 in the Christian version, it ends at 8:22, but the Hebrew version has an 8:23, and that verse is found in 9:1 of the Christian version. That's why 9:5 in the Hebrew version became 9:6 in the Christian version. Is that some sort of big forgery? NO, not at all, the verses are all still there and in the same order. Who cares whether it is the last verse of 8 or the first verse of 9? they are all still there and say the same basic thing.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#180959 Jun 24, 2013
Here we go BMZ
Hebrew version:
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1009.htm
5 For a child is born unto us, a son is given unto us; and the government is upon his shoulder; and his name is called Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar -shalom;

Christian version:
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#180960 Jun 24, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I was not discussing 8:23 and neither did I talk about the difference in numbers.
How can you defend the crap in 9:6 of the Isaiah in OT, when it is such a glaring forgery and distortion?
It was one of the many bombs.
Isaiah is not the forgery, bmz. The new testament is. The OT will be completely and literally fulfilled by the Messiah, the only prophecies Jesus fulfilled were those about the idol of Israel. He had a tremendous effect on the religious world and Jesus is prohecied in the OT. It's good the prophetic scriptures are not generally understood. The best way to guarantee their fulfillment is ignorance.

Since: Apr 11

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#180964 Jun 24, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I was not discussing 8:23 and neither did I talk about the difference in numbers.
How can you defend the crap in 9:6 of the Isaiah in OT, when it is such a glaring forgery and distortion?
It was one of the many bombs.
Because the prophecy came true.
Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#180965 Jun 24, 2013
Alex123 WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Wake up Shamma.
Jews and Muslims NEVER worship idols.
Jews and Muslims believe ONLY in God as their saviour instead of worshipping naked pagans on phallus.
Yes our works as directed by God must help us improve our chances!
Jews and Muslims worship God instead of naked pagans on poles.
Jews and Muslims have to work HARD to please God instead of arrogantly assuming that God will save them because they celebrate the MURDER of a poor Jewish man 2000 years ago.
God accepts Jews and Muslims who pray ONLY to God.
Jews and Muslims give lip service to God and it is rejected by God.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#180966 Jun 24, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>The covenant that will be written on their hearts just means they will be diligent to observe it. They will live and fulfill the law instead of just paying it lip service. Jesus' only commandment was to love each other but there is a lot more to righteousness than that. And Jesus did not fulfill every statute and judgment in the law during his life.
Wrong!
Jesus fulfilled all the prophecy in the OT, and the rest will be fulfilled at His second coming.

Since: Apr 11

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#180967 Jun 24, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand that, Seeker, but it has nothing to do with the Messiah. It suggests as if they were never Torah-observant.
Under the new covenant as suggested in Jeremiah, to which Christians refer to heavily, I ahev this to ask:
Are the Christians really Torah-Observant, if Jeremiah's prophesy were true? Why should they even quote it?
The New Covenant was made with the House of Judah.
Jesus came for the lost sheep of the Jews, and brought them in by the Apostles.
Paul was commissioned by Jesus to preach to the Gentiles.
Peter, John and the other Apostles preached in lands where the lost sheep of the Jews were scattered.
That is why there is not much written in the Gospels about where the Apostles went.
This link addresses that issue.
http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/twelvea...

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