Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 252931 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#180731 Jun 22, 2013
Alex123 WMi wrote:
<quoted text>
Another load of Bull form BJ when he knew that his mates and him would be beaten and captured,
Have you forgotten how he misled the fools before the idiots went over to threaten the priest and chop the ear off servant?
Luke 22:36
He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a SWORD, sell your cloak and BUY ONE.
Luke 22:38
The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two SWORDS." "That's enough!" he replied.
The fools thought they could bully the priest with 2 swords, but did not realise that the trained soldiers were on their way to kick their asses!
So BJ came up with the bull about lving by the sword!
BJ was an UTTER failure.
What ever Jesus did or said does not relieve Muslims from the sin of committing murder.
Muslims are guilty of breaking Gods law "Thou shall not murder".
Muslims killing non-Muslims is breaking Gods law "thou shall not murder".

Muslims are guilty of deliberately committing sin against God.

.
JOEL

India

#180732 Jun 22, 2013
SELF-EXISTENT ENERGY:

1) The Big Bang implies that there was pre-existing energy albeit in subtle/qm or undifferentiated form on account of equilibrium conditions to begin, otherwise how could there ever be a Big Bang if energy is not accounted for to begin with? So, it's only logicaL to assume that energy existed in the qm/subtle or undifferentiated form in a state of singularity which due to loss of equilibrium among the various aspects of the energy system caused the contained subtle energy to explode and assume material particles under the impact of the guiding inherent forces. If we say that energy did not exist in subtle or undifferentiated form prior to the Big Bang then we'll have to postulate the existence of an extra-cosmic god, who, after having decided to create the energy needed to project the universe into form, created this needed energy from nothing using magic and then thereafter decided to stay aloof from his creation that functions according to self-sufficient laws and that that after billions of years this extra-cosmic God decides to dissolve the universe by making the created energy to disappear into nothing. All this is artificial, forced, violatory of causal mechanisms and illogical.

2) Remember, effect is nothing else but the cause in partial or completfe manifestation and that cause should be at least as great as the effect in terms of information content.

3) So, to avoid illogic, we take the post Big Bang energy conditions and logically postulate (like the Big Bounce hypothesis) that the energy of the universe at the end of a cycle of existence reverts to its qm or subtle or equilibrium state until the same energy gets projected once again into form. This is vey rational and does not require illogical assumptions like extra-cosmic God, violation of causal and conservation laws and creation from nothing.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#180733 Jun 22, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Ehrman remarks are meaningless.
Muslims are responsible for the murdering of non-Muslims.
Right now, Muslims are busy killing Muslims. They don't have time to kill non-Muslims. So, non-Muslims are safe behind their doors.

Now, try to refute each and every line from Bart Ehrman, if you have any balls.

“There are few things more dangerous than inbred religious certainty.”

Bart D. Ehrman, God's Problem: How the Bible Fails to Answer Our Most Important Question-Why We Suffer

“Different authors have different points of view. You can't just say,'I believe in the Bible.” Bart D. Ehrman

“One of the most amazing and perplexing features of mainstream Christianity is that seminarians who learn the historical-critical method in their Bible classes appear to forget all about it when it comes time for them to be pastors.

They are taught critical approaches to Scripture, they learn about the discrepancies and contradictions, they discover all sorts of historical errors and mistakes, they come to realize that it is difficult to know whether Moses existed or what Jesus actually said and did, they find that there are other books that were at one time considered canonical but that ultimately did not become part of Scripture (for example, other Gospels and Apocalypses), they come to recognize that a good number of the books of the Bible are pseudonymous (for example, written in the name of an apostle by someone else), that in fact we don't have the original copies of any of the biblical books but only copies made centuries later, all of which have been altered.

They learn all of this, and yet when they enter church ministry they appear to put it back on the shelf. For reasons I will explore in the conclusion, pastors are, as a rule, reluctant to teach what they learned about the Bible in seminary.”

Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible {and Why We Don't Know About Them}

“In terms of the historical record, I should also point out that there is no account in any ancient source whatsoever about King Herod slaughtering children in or around Bethlehem, or anyplace else.

No other author, biblical or otherwise, mentions this event. Is it, like John's account of Jesus' death, a detail made up by Matthew in order to make some kind of theological point?”

“The historical problems with Luke are even more pronounced.

For one thing, we have relatively good records for the reign of Caesar Augustus, and there is no mention anywhere in any of them of an empire-wide census for which everyone had to register by returning to their ancestral home.

And how could such a thing even be imagined? Joesph returns to Bethlehem because his ancestor David was born there. But David lived a thousand years before Joseph.

Are we to imagine that everyone in the Roman Empire was required to return to the homes of their ancestors from a thousand years earlier?

If we had a new worldwide census today and each of us had to return to the towns of our ancestors a thousand years back—where would you go?

Can you imagine the total disruption of human life that this kind of universal exodus would require? And can you imagine that such a project would never be mentioned in any of the newspapers?

There is not a single reference to any such census in any ancient source, apart from Luke.
Why then does Luke say there was such a census? The answer may seem obvious to you.

He wanted Jesus to be born in Bethlehem, even though he knew he came from Nazareth ... there is a prophecy in the Old Testament book of Micah that a savior would come from Bethlehem.

What were these Gospel writer to do with the fact that it was widely known that Jesus came from Nazareth?

They had to come up with a narrative that explained how he came from Nazareth, in Galilee, a little one-horse town that no one had ever heard of, but was born in Bethlehem, the home of King David, royal ancestor of the Messiah.”
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#180734 Jun 22, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I refer to the last two lines of your post. There is no logic in that.
Energy gets dissipated after release, it does not get distributed.
Thus, the statement that energy can only be redistributed is not logical.
dis·si·pate
Verb
Disperse or scatter.

Not much different than redistribute. It goes somewhere else, which is why it is not destroyed. But if you prefer the word dissipate, that's fine. Doesn't change the meaning of what I said very much. Was that all that you picked up from what I said?
JOEL

India

#180735 Jun 22, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>

For every action, there is a reaction. Live by the sword, die by the sword, as they say, and as Jesus said.
LOL.

JESUS did not take into account the deeper workings of the laws governing karma or causation.

Live by the sword, die by the sword is a simplistic assertion that does not always hold true.

The effect in one particular case or event is determined by various causations that create a host of cumulative effects along mental, emotional, physical and subconscient lines and the interactions of these various aspects together with
environmental impulses would determine the outcome of a life event.

The workings of causation as applied to the individualized consciousness-energy are quite complex in the human being and nothing is straight forward.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#180736 Jun 22, 2013
JOEL wrote:
SELF-EXISTENT ENERGY:
1) The Big Bang implies that there was pre-existing energy
And therefore a cause. But where did the energy itself come from? The big bang had a cause, so why do we say that energy itself has no cause?
JOEL wrote:
albeit in subtle/qm or undifferentiated form on account of equilibrium conditions to begin, otherwise how could there ever be a Big Bang if energy is not accounted for to begin with? So, it's only logicaL to assume that energy existed in the qm/subtle or undifferentiated form in a state of singularity which due to loss of equilibrium among the various aspects of the energy system caused the contained subtle energy to explode and assume material particles under the impact of the guiding inherent forces. If we say that energy did not exist in subtle or undifferentiated form prior to the Big Bang then we'll have to postulate the existence of an extra-cosmic god, who, after having decided to create the energy needed to project the universe into form, created this needed energy from nothing using magic and then thereafter decided to stay aloof from his creation that functions according to self-sufficient laws and that that after billions of years this extra-cosmic God decides to dissolve the universe by making the created energy to disappear into nothing. All this is artificial, forced, violatory of causal mechanisms and illogical.
Why is it illogical? And to say that energy simply always exited without cause would be equally illogical.
JOEL wrote:
2) Remember, effect is nothing else but the cause in partial or completfe manifestation and that cause should be at least as great as the effect in terms of information content.
3) So, to avoid illogic, we take the post Big Bang energy conditions and logically postulate (like the Big Bounce hypothesis) that the energy of the universe at the end of a cycle of existence reverts to its qm or subtle or equilibrium state until the same energy gets projected once again into form. This is vey rational and does not require illogical assumptions like extra-cosmic God, violation of causal and conservation laws and creation from nothing.
Sure it's illogical. How can we say that in a universe with cause, that the cause itself has no cause unless we put the cause outside of existence or the universe itself? Neither explanations make any sense, but the more logical thing to say would be that if something is uncreated or non caused, then it would have to exist outside of material or universal existence itself and exist in a form that we cannot possibly fathom with our limited abilities of reason and our conceptualizing mind. Again, it would appear to be one giant, unsolvable mind f*ck that is simply beyond the capabilities of reason or rational thought itself.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#180737 Jun 22, 2013
Alex123 WMi wrote:
Another load of Bull form BJ when he knew that his mates and him would be beaten and captured,
Have you forgotten how he misled the fools before the idiots went over to threaten the priest and chop the ear off servant?

Luke 22:36
He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a SWORD, sell your cloak and BUY ONE.

Luke 22:38
The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two SWORDS." "That's enough!" he replied.
The fools thought they could bully the priest with 2 swords, but did not realise that the trained soldiers were on their way to kick their asses!
So BJ came up with the bull about lving by the sword!
BJ was an UTTER failure.
Salaams, bro

We must keep in mind that the gospels, which we have after the 15th Century, were edited and forged as and when necessary.

For example, they could not get rid of the Sword Verses of Jesus. So, cutting and healing of the ear was inserted and the line "Those who live by the sword, die by sword" was forged in to soften the image of Jesus.

It was not said for the first time by Jesus. It had been uttered by many sword-fighters all over the world. It was not scriptural.

Jesus was definitely up to something when he told his disciples to sell off everything and buy swords. When he saw they were not willing by making the excuse that there were two swords available, Jesus knew they were weak and did not have any desire to stand up against a enemy.

I suspect he had wanted to start a revolution against the Romans to free his fellow Israelite from the occupation but the minds and souls of the disciples were not willing..
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#180738 Jun 22, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
dis·si·pate
Verb
Disperse or scatter.
Not much different than redistribute. It goes somewhere else, which is why it is not destroyed. But if you prefer the word dissipate, that's fine. Doesn't change the meaning of what I said very much. Was that all that you picked up from what I said?
That is ok but distribution is not the right word.
JOEL

India

#180739 Jun 22, 2013
Illiterate.

Big Bang is an effect of qm field activity as non-equlilibrium conditions in the singulairty cause a projection of the energy into form.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#180740 Jun 22, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Right now, Muslims are busy killing Muslims. They don't have time to kill non-Muslims. So, non-Muslims are safe behind their doors.
Now, try to refute each and every line from Bart Ehrman, if you have any balls.
“There are few things more dangerous than inbred religious certainty.”
Bart D. Ehrman, God's Problem: How the Bible Fails to Answer Our Most Important Question-Why We Suffer
“Different authors have different points of view. You can't just say,'I believe in the Bible.” Bart D. Ehrman
“One of the most amazing and perplexing features of mainstream Christianity is that seminarians who learn the historical-critical method in their Bible classes appear to forget all about it when it comes time for them to be pastors.
They are taught critical approaches to Scripture, they learn about the discrepancies and contradictions, they discover all sorts of historical errors and mistakes, they come to realize that it is difficult to know whether Moses existed or what Jesus actually said and did, they find that there are other books that were at one time considered canonical but that ultimately did not become part of Scripture (for example, other Gospels and Apocalypses), they come to recognize that a good number of the books of the Bible are pseudonymous (for example, written in the name of an apostle by someone else), that in fact we don't have the original copies of any of the biblical books but only copies made centuries later, all of which have been altered.
They learn all of this, and yet when they enter church ministry they appear to put it back on the shelf. For reasons I will explore in the conclusion, pastors are, as a rule, reluctant to teach what they learned about the Bible in seminary.”
Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible {and Why We Don't Know About Them}
“In terms of the historical record, I should also point out that there is no account in any ancient source whatsoever about King Herod slaughtering children in or around Bethlehem, or anyplace else.
No other author, biblical or otherwise, mentions this event. Is it, like John's account of Jesus' death, a detail made up by Matthew in order to make some kind of theological point?”
“The historical problems with Luke are even more pronounced.
For one thing, we have relatively good records for the reign of Caesar Augustus, and there is no mention anywhere in any of them of an empire-wide census for which everyone had to register by returning to their ancestral home.
And how could such a thing even be imagined? Joesph returns to Bethlehem because his ancestor David was born there. But David lived a thousand years before Joseph.
Are we to imagine that everyone in the Roman Empire was required to return to the homes of their ancestors from a thousand years earlier?
If we had a new worldwide census today and each of us had to return to the towns of our ancestors a thousand years back—where would you go?
Can you imagine the total disruption of human life that this kind of universal exodus would require? And can you imagine that such a project would never be mentioned in any of the newspapers?
There is not a single reference to any such census in any ancient source, apart from Luke.
Why then does Luke say there was such a census? The answer may seem obvious to you.
He wanted Jesus to be born in Bethlehem, even though he knew he came from Nazareth ... there is a prophecy in the Old Testament book of Micah that a savior would come from Bethlehem.
What were these Gospel writer to do with the fact that it was widely known that Jesus came from Nazareth?
They had to come up with a narrative that explained how he came from Nazareth, in Galilee, a little one-horse town that no one had ever heard of, but was born in Bethlehem, the home of King David, royal ancestor of the Messiah.”
It does not matter what Ehrman says.
Gods laws do not change.
Muslims are guilty of committing the deliberate sin of Murder against Gods law.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#180741 Jun 22, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I refer to the last two lines of your post. There is no logic in that.
Energy gets dissipated after release, it does not get distributed.
Thus, the statement that energy can only be redistributed is not logical.
rabbee: potential energy, energy at rest. kinetic energy, that once potential energy, being in motion. but once it stops, the potential energy is still there.

and the point source of any energy, is always inversely proportional the square of the distance from the point source. the actual amount of energy, remains the same, even if spread out over a larger radius as the signature appears weaker when measured with any given point source detector.

even light that strikes a black body object, does not dissipate. it is merely converted, into radiated infrared wavelength by transduction. and one should never confuse, mechanical energy with the actual energy that caused it to move.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#180742 Jun 22, 2013
Correct to above, exited should have been existed.

"Why is it illogical? And to say that energy simply always EXISTED without cause would be equally illogical.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#180743 Jun 22, 2013
JOEL wrote:
Illiterate.
Big Bang is an effect of qm field activity as non-equlilibrium conditions in the singulairty cause a projection of the energy into form.
What was the cause of the fields or energy themselves? It has to be "something" for it to reach a state of non equilibrium. "Nothing" reaches a state of non equilibrium, it has to be "something" to even reach a certain state. And if it is "something", then we question the origin of that "something" itself. Energy is not non existent, so it is "something". It can react with things, maybe even create things, but what is the origin or cause of energy itself? Everybody always seems to want to end the logic chain prematurely to make things convenient for them so that they think that they finally have an answer, but they are merely fooling themselves.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#180744 Jun 22, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
That is ok but distribution is not the right word.
That's fine, I think that you could understand what I was saying anyway, and that's all that matters.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#180745 Jun 22, 2013
Alex123 WMi wrote:
<quoted text>
Another load of Bull form BJ when he knew that his mates and him would be beaten and captured,
Have you forgotten how he misled the fools before the idiots went over to threaten the priest and chop the ear off servant?
Luke 22:36
He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a SWORD, sell your cloak and BUY ONE.
Luke 22:38
The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two SWORDS." "That's enough!" he replied.
The fools thought they could bully the priest with 2 swords, but did not realise that the trained soldiers were on their way to kick their asses!
So BJ came up with the bull about lving by the sword!
BJ was an UTTER failure.
rabbee: failure in the vanity of your own terrorist eyes, does not constitute a failure in TheEYE of G-D. violence only proves, you a violent anti-peace person. since Benee Adam, pre-knew of THEIR death. no amount of violence against it, was destined to prevent it. so was the failure His, or theirs for rejecting the truth.
i have heard muslims say they revere Benee Adam. but you are telling, me they don't actually. so which is it, or is it all just another lie for muhammed at any terrorist cost? no one who lives by the swords of terrorism, shall ever enter GanEden. for this, you are all not. for your not being true to G-D, is the cause of all anti-peace. all the lies of this world, shall keep you all out of GanEden.
JOEL

India

#180746 Jun 22, 2013
Causation is innate in energy field like say charge is inherent in electron/proton. Cause and energy are not two different things - effect is the cause itself in partial or complete manifestation. Besides, cause should be at least as great as its effect in terms of information content for the causation to be operational.
JOEL

India

#180747 Jun 22, 2013
Bye, dunces.

(smiles)

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#180748 Jun 22, 2013
bmz wrote:
“There are few things more dangerous than inbred religious certainty.”
Bart D. Ehrman, God's Problem: How the Bible Fails to Answer Our Most Important Question-Why We Suffer
“Different authors have different points of view. You can't just say,'I believe in the Bible.” Bart D. Ehrman
“One of the most amazing and perplexing features of mainstream Christianity is that seminarians who learn the historical-critical method in their Bible classes appear to forget all about it when it comes time for them to be pastors.
They are taught critical approaches to Scripture, they learn about the discrepancies and contradictions, they discover all sorts of historical errors and mistakes, they come to realize that it is difficult to know whether Moses existed or what Jesus actually said and did, they find that there are other books that were at one time considered canonical but that ultimately did not become part of Scripture (for example, other Gospels and Apocalypses), they come to recognize that a good number of the books of the Bible are pseudonymous (for example, written in the name of an apostle by someone else), that in fact we don't have the original copies of any of the biblical books but only copies made centuries later, all of which have been altered.
They learn all of this, and yet when they enter church ministry they appear to put it back on the shelf. For reasons I will explore in the conclusion, pastors are, as a rule, reluctant to teach what they learned about the Bible in seminary.”
&#8213; Bart D. Ehrman, Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible {and Why We Don't Know About Them}
“In terms of the historical record, I should also point out that there is no account in any ancient source whatsoever about King Herod slaughtering children in or around Bethlehem, or anyplace else. No other author, biblical or otherwise, mentions this event. Is it, like John's account of Jesus' death, a detail made up by Matthew in order to make some kind of theological point?”
Bart D. Ehrman, Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible {and Why We Don't Know About Them}
“The historical problems with Luke are even more pronounced.
For one thing, we have relatively good records for the reign of Caesar Augustus, and there is no mention anywhere in any of them of an empire-wide census for which everyone had to register by returning to their ancestral home.
And how could such a thing even be imagined? Joesph returns to Bethlehem because his ancestor David was born there. But David lived a thousand years before Joseph.
Are we to imagine that everyone in the Roman Empire was required to return to the homes of their ancestors from a thousand years earlier? If we had a new worldwide census today and each of us had to return to the towns of our ancestors a thousand years back—where would you go?
Can you imagine the total disruption of human life that this kind of universal exodus would require? And can you imagine that such a project would never be mentioned in any of the newspapers?
There is not a single reference to any such census in any ancient source, apart from Luke.
Why then does Luke say there was such a census? The answer may seem obvious to you.
He wanted Jesus to be born in Bethlehem, even though he knew he came from Nazareth ... there is a prophecy in the Old Testament book of Micah that a savior would come from Bethlehem.
What were these Gospel writer to do with the fact that it was widely known that Jesus came from Nazareth?
They had to come up with a narrative that explained how he came from Nazareth, in Galilee, a little one-horse town that no one had ever heard of, but was born in Bethlehem, the home of King David, royal ancestor of the Messiah.”
Bart D. Ehrman, Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible {and Why We Don't Know About Them}
The Apostles quoted scripture from the Jewish Septuagint scriptures used in the Jewish synagogs.
JOEL

India

#180749 Jun 22, 2013
typo - cause and effect are not 2 different things....
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#180750 Jun 22, 2013
G-D does not allow lies in HEAVEN, i guess this is why none of you have ever had an Audience with G-D there. and is also why none of you, are ever going to go there. hell you all can't even for the third time, make it to GanEden. that is probably an important clue, that we sure as hell are not all there now.

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