Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 Full story: The Brussels Journal 215,438

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#179960 Jun 15, 2013
Alex123 WM wrote:
<quoted text>
lol..
If not for your stupidity and arrogance, I can teach you a lot, but it is easier to let you make a fool of yourself.
Jesus did NOT talk like you or think like you.You are a nutcase.
Jesus was a man of God.He was not a nutcase.
Jesus was very clear about his mission but the pagans are clueless.
When did Jesus say, in the synoptics that during his 0-34 year earthly existence, he came to save the Gentiles?
What is Christianity?
What you follow is not the same as what shamma,HughBe or many other Christians follow.
You have created your own "reality/delusion"!
Besides your MPD and other mental health issues, the pagan roman pauline disinformation has not helped the cause.
rabbee: well TheAlleged as jesus, did indicate. They were willing to save the gentiles, when confronted with the woman with the blood issue.

now i am sure that seeker, is capable of knowing what i am talking about. but i am almost willing to bet, you'll try to evade it somehow. and don't ask for me, to give to any of you. chapter and verse numbers that We, never spoke with.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#179961 Jun 15, 2013
Alex123 WM wrote:
<quoted text>
John Wycliffe's life and times are interesting and as I mentioned before I am very familiar with his "home town".
Back to johnny by many johnnies...
Shamma says:
the Word=Jesus= "god"
"In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God"
Can be re-stated..
"In the beginning was Jesus, Jesus was with Jesus and Jesus was Jesus"
What a finding!
Jesus was Jesus!
Salaams.
rabbee: you missed something there: TheWord = THE OUR IMAGE THE OUR LIKENESS = Adam = adam and chaooah. even if the world, only errantly says that = jesus or = mr and mrs jesus christ in the second coming of Adam. it is still the same story, we are all here in again from G-D. no matter what your form, of insanity says against IT. and it is insane murder/suicide, to not believe in TheG-D of Only TheTorah here in IT again.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#179962 Jun 15, 2013
Alex123 WM wrote:
<quoted text>
To a mental case, it makes perfect sense!
rabbee: nah that is more like, two napoleons in a mental institution - arguing which one is the real napoleon.

but what you don't find is two adam's in a mental institution, arguing which one is the real adam. because nobody including me, really wants to really be that adam.

they want to be ceasars, alexander the great, jesus, hitler, napoleon. but nobody wants to be adam, including WHO G-D actually came to and said is adam.

now you can all deny, ThaG-D always comes to talk to adam here in TheTorah. but by my actual personal experience with G-D, your all not here in TheTorah wrong again.

now i do not want to be adam here in TheTorah. any more than you all do not want for me to be adam, with your not here in TheTorah delusions. but i cannot deny TheTruth of What G-D, actually came and said to me any more. and this story, is in scripture you all denounce with your not being here in IT.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#179963 Jun 15, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>I am not mad MUQ.
It is by reason of knowing scripture that only God has the power to create something from clay as did Jesus created a bird and breathed into it life.
In that Quran text it verified that Jesus was equal to Allah.
Muslims mind are screwed up.
Muhammad robbed the Muslim mind of Gods gift of reason.
Never heard of Miracles did you?

Does it not mentions By Allah's permission?

You are sure mad, by missing this in Quranic text.

You are just creating your hypothetical doubts and insinuate that Quran confirms them.

Trying to prove falsehood from Quran?

One of its feature is "No falsehood can approach it from front or from back"!!
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#179964 Jun 15, 2013
Teachings of Paul Part-19

Subject Matter:

Internal strife

Gal. 2-7

What Paul Wrote?)

They recognized that I have been entrusted to give the good news to the pagan nations as Peter has been entrusted to give it to the Jews

Remarks (MUQ)

Equating himself with Peter, who was no match for him!!

Subject Matter:

Internal strife

2Cor. 11- 13

What Paul Wrote?)

In reality, they are false prophets, deceivers disguised as Apostles of Christ

Remarks (MUQ)

Same as Paul perhaps!

Subject Matter:

Internal strife

2Cor. 11-4

What Paul Wrote?)

Someone now comes and preaches another Jesus different from the one we preach, or you are offered a different spirit from the one you have received, with a different Gospel from the one you have accepted , and you agree!

Remarks (MUQ)

May be he is preaching True, Jesus, True Gospel

Subject Matter:

Internal strife

2Cor. 11- 5

What Paul Wrote?)

I do not see how I am inferior to those Super Apostles. Does my speaking lave much to be desired, perhaps but not my knowledge..

Remarks (MUQ)

Because they Knew, Saw and learned from Jesusí own lips his teachings
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#179965 Jun 15, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Jesus spoke in parables because he did not want to be understood. He also did not claim to be (equal to) God until they dragged it out of him. He was ashamed of his hope and wasn't sure of his identity. When the true Messiah comes she will reveal the secret and hidden things. "The knowledge of the holy is understanding". Jesus died the "death of the uncircumcised" and suffered a "strange punishment". He came in the middle of history and was a "new god". The God of Israel is the first and the last and would come at the end of human history.
rabbee: well reguardless of the fact, that adam's savior was supposed to be the woman who refused to be. you still, ain't her. her name is neither susan, eve, or Lilith, and her title is as chaooah. it's too late, for her to be adam's savior now. G-D was not about to allow the deception of adam, to go on any longer. she has become too corrupt, with the evil and wickeness of the more subtle than any other beast of the fields. to be of any help, to G-D or adam. your own stuff does not even, jive with what is written in TheTorah.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#179966 Jun 15, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>I think he didn't want to be understood because he wasn't sure about who he thought he was and he didn't know about the teachings of scripture. If all of the signs of his spiritual rebirth had actually happened, he would know who he was and would not be afraid to say so. The truth is, he never fulfilled any scripture about anything and relied on the beliefs of his followers to support is imagined identity.
rabbee: what Benee Adam did not fulfill scripture by returning as adam and his mate here in TheTorah. you! got to be joking. and i am quite sure They knew, Who TheOnly Begotton Son of G-D Adam is. They knew They, were going to be put to death. when They cursed, the fig tree for not bearing fruit on demand out of season.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#179967 Jun 15, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: well reguardless of the fact, that adam's savior was supposed to be the woman who refused to be. you still, ain't her. her name is neither susan, eve, or Lilith, and her title is as chaooah. it's too late, for her to be adam's savior now. G-D was not about to allow the deception of adam, to go on any longer. she has become too corrupt, with the evil and wickeness of the more subtle than any other beast of the fields. to be of any help, to G-D or adam. your own stuff does not even, jive with what is written in TheTorah.
Believe me, I am not Adams' savior, I am his nemesis. Adam is my father and I am the second Eve. Not only was Eve Adams' wife, she was also his daughter. When Adam died and went to heaven, his name was changed to Satan. He is 78 years old and he knows he has but a short time, it's always darkest before the dawn. He will do anything in his power to stop the bible from being fulfilled. The only thing is, all he does is fulfill it.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#179968 Jun 15, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>The fire is very literal and is a symbol of holiness. The Messiah will set the world on fire. Judgment on humankind will be characterized by spontaneous combustion and will happen 3 times. First Gods' enemies, then the wicked and lastly the unbelievers. The last judgment is described by Zechariah 14:12 "Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth". Most people equate this with nuclear warfare but it refers to consumption by fire. Jesus will also burst into flames. Ezekiel 28:18 "...I will bring you to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold you".
How are you sure that this Zekaroya and these Ezekiel are really from God?

Just your assumptions or have you any proofs also?

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#179969 Jun 15, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Never heard of Miracles did you?
Does it not mentions By Allah's permission?
You are sure mad, by missing this in Quranic text.
You are just creating your hypothetical doubts and insinuate that Quran confirms them.
Trying to prove falsehood from Quran?
One of its feature is "No falsehood can approach it from front or from back"!!
Explain this verse:
005.110
SHAKIR: When Allah will say: O Isa son of Marium! Remember My favor on you and on your mother, ywhen I strengthened ou I with the holy Spirit, you spoke to the people in the cradle and I when of old age, and when I taught you the Book and the wisdom and the Taurat and the Injeel; and when you determined out of clay a thing like the form of a bird by My permission, then you breathed into it and it became a bird by My permission, and you healed the blind and the leprous by My permission; and when you brought forth the dead by My permission; and when I withheld the children of Israel from you when you came to them with clear arguments, but those who disbelieved among them said: This is nothing but clear enchantment.

ywhen I strengthened ou I with the holy Spirit, you spoke to the people in the cradle and I when of old age, and when I taught you the Book and the wisdom and the Taurat and the Injeel; and when you determined out of clay a thing like the form of a bird by My permission, then you breathed into it and it became a bird by My permission,

First of all MUQ. The text states: When I strengthened you I with the holy Spirit.

In that text Allah is saying that Allah is in partnership with the holy Spirit.
The word spirit is capitalized with a capital "S"
signifying two persons are involved in strengthening Jesus to speak from the cradle.
The baby Jesus could not talk on his own, so who did the talking?
Allah or the holy Spirit?

And secondly who is the holy spirit?
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#179970 Jun 15, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Believe me, I am not Adams' savior, I am his nemesis. Adam is my father and I am the second Eve. Not only was Eve Adams' wife, she was also his daughter. When Adam died and went to heaven, his name was changed to Satan. He is 78 years old and he knows he has but a short time, it's always darkest before the dawn. He will do anything in his power to stop the bible from being fulfilled. The only thing is, all he does is fulfill it.
rabbee: well the take a number and get in line, because i already have about 7billion of those. and i am not your father, i do not even have a daughter named susan.

and how the hell, can you be a second eve? when adam has not even dated, any woman by that name mythologically or susan other wise. and my first wife, has always been my our mother Merream. because sarah willingly ran off. and the woman chaooah, has always been one of my alleged chosen granddaughters. the woman chaooah has never been, one of my three daughters with our Mother Mereeam. so her name has ever been the myth name, lilith either.

nothing you say, can be validated, in either The-Written or Living Torah actually here in IT again. as if muslems, christian and jews, making their own not here in TheTorah stuff up is not enough.

i do not care what you're or anyone else's statistics say. the chances of any one of seven billion liars, being right even once is still zero.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#179971 Jun 15, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Explain this verse:
005.110
SHAKIR: When Allah will say: O Isa son of Marium! Remember My favor on you and on your mother, ywhen I strengthened ou I with the holy Spirit, you spoke to the people in the cradle and I when of old age, and when I taught you the Book and the wisdom and the Taurat and the Injeel; and when you determined out of clay a thing like the form of a bird by My permission, then you breathed into it and it became a bird by My permission, and you healed the blind and the leprous by My permission; and when you brought forth the dead by My permission; and when I withheld the children of Israel from you when you came to them with clear arguments, but those who disbelieved among them said: This is nothing but clear enchantment."

First of all MUQ. The text states: When I strengthened you I with the holy Spirit.

In that text Allah is saying that Allah is in partnership with the holy Spirit.

The word spirit is capitalized with a capital "S"

signifying two persons are involved in strengthening Jesus to speak from the cradle.

The baby Jesus could not talk on his own, so who did the talking?

Allah or the holy Spirit?

And secondly who is the holy spirit?
Edited the verse for brevity.

THIS WAS ALREADY DONE. Here it is once again. No need to keep on asking.

Anyway, I write again to explain but please keep in mind that there is NO place for the so-called Holy Spirit of Christianity.

5:110 is talking about a future event, when Jesus and his mother will be raised along with all on the Day of Resurrection.

He will be told by God that God had blessed him, shown him favors by giving him knowledge and wisdom and made him perform miracles, which were carried out by the power or the force of God.

On his own he could do nothing. So, when he healed someone, it was God, who had healed that person, not Jesus himself.

Short and sweet, the message is: "I, the LORD, gave you knowledge and wisdom and without My power and force behind you, you could do nothing!"

To us, the words holy spirit simply means one granted with a noble spirit. So, the prophets and messengers of God were men, who were noble or holy. They were not spirits.

Bonus Note:

The Holy Spirit was created by the confused founding fathers of the Church and the Christianity in the later part of the 4th Century.

So, you can say that this Holy Spirit 'proceeded forth' from men.

The Arabic text does not refer to the Holy Spirit of Christianity. It simply means a holy spirit or a spirit of holiness.

Capitalization of S in translations means nothing to us. For example, I have a noble spirit or a holy spirit or a spirit of holiness. You do not have one. Jesus had a noble spirit or a a spirit of holiness.

Read translation by Georeg Sale, a Christian:

"When God will say,'O Jesus son of Mary, remember My favour upon thee and upon thy mother; When I strengthened thee with the spirit of holiness so that thou didst speak to the people in the cradle and when of middle age; and when I taught thee the Book and the wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when thou didst fashion a creation out of clay, in the likeness of a bird, by My command; then thou didst breathe into it a new spirit and it became a soaring being by My command; and thou didst heal the night-blind and the leprous by My command; and when thou didst raise the dead by My command; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from putting thee to death when thou didst come to them with clear Signs; and those who disbelieved from among them said,'This is nothing but clear deception.' "

Now, to your question:

"The baby Jesus could not talk on his own, so who did the talking?"

Good question and the answer is the baby Jesus did the talking.

In order to understand this, you must refer to the donkey of Balaam, who talked! God made that donkey talk. Right? So, why could not God make the baby Jesus talk?

And who spoke? The donkey or the Holy Spirit?

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#179972 Jun 15, 2013
Christ is the head of all christian churches.
You need to read this to understand the Pope's role as the Vicar of Christ.

To understand the role of the Pope today, let us first examine the Biblical foundations and historical development of the papal ministry. From that basis, we will be able to explain the Pope's role in the government of the Church and his teaching office.

1. Biblical

a. The Twelve Apostles:

At the beginning of his public life, Jesus Christ chose twelve men as his Apostles. He gave them the mission to proclaim the Kingdom of God and to heal (Lk. 9:2). They were the foundation of His Church

The Church is apostolic in a triple sense: She was built and remains on the foundation of the Apostles (Eph 2:20; Acts 21:14) the witnesses chosen and sent by Christ;. Secondly, she preserves and transmits the teaching of the Apostles and finally she continues to be taught, sanctified and directed by the Apostles, until the return of Christ, through the ministry of bishops, those who succeeded the Apostles in their pastoral responsibility.

The role of the Apostles as the witnesses of the Resurrection of Jesus and the foundation of His Church is unique and is not transmitted. However, Jesus promised to be with His Church until the end of time (Mt 28:20). The spread of the Gospel until the end of time was the divine mission entrusted to the Church. To ensure the faithful transmission of the apostolic witness, the Apostles instituted successors. These successors, the order of bishops, are the continuing presence of the pastoral ministry of the Apostles in the Church.

b. Peter:

Among the Twelve Apostles, Simon Peter holds the first place. Among the disciples of Christ, Peter is given the greatest prominence in the New Testament accounts of the Church's origins. Jesus gave to Peter a unique mission. Based on a revelation of God to Peter, Peter proclaimed that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the Living God. Jesus then declared that Simon was Peter, the "Rock", and on this rock Jesus would build His Church which would prevail over the powers of Hell (Mt. 16:18). Peter received the mission to guard the integrity and purity of the faith in Jesus Christ, and to strengthen his brothers and sisters in that faith.

The authority conferred by Jesus on Peter is known as the "power of the keys" (Mt. 16:19). The government of the Church - that is, authority to absolve sins, to make doctrinal judgements and to make disciplinary decisions - was given to the Apostles in general. Peter alone was given the "power of the keys". Jesus also gave to Peter a specific pastoral ministry - "feed my sheep" (Jn 21:15-17). Thus, Peter was given a unique responsibility in church government and in pastoral ministry.

2. Dogmatic Development

a. Bishops:

Jesus Christ, in calling the Twelve, gave them the form of a "college", that is a stable group, and chose Peter from among them as their head. Just as Peter and the other Apostles form, by Christ's initiative, one apostolic college, so the Pope, as successor of Peter and Bishop of Rome, and the other bishops form one episcopal college. The pastoral ministry of Peter and the other Apostles is continued by the bishops under the primacy of the Pope.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#179973 Jun 15, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>The fire is very literal and is a symbol of holiness. The Messiah will set the world on fire. Judgment on humankind will be characterized by spontaneous combustion and will happen 3 times. First Gods' enemies, then the wicked and lastly the unbelievers. The last judgment is described by Zechariah 14:12 "Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth". Most people equate this with nuclear warfare but it refers to consumption by fire. Jesus will also burst into flames. Ezekiel 28:18 "...I will bring you to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold you".
If baptize meant something that believers do, then why are you equating it with something that happens to unbelievers? Ezekiel 28:18 was part of a a prophecy against the King of Tyre. Read the whole chapter.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#179974 Jun 15, 2013
The Pope's Role as Vicar of Christ.
Continued:
To understand the role of the Pope today, let us first examine the Biblical foundations and historical development of the papal ministry. From that basis, we will be able to explain the Pope's role in the government of the Church and his teaching office.
b. Pope:

By virtue of his wide-ranging ministry evident in the New Testament and preserved in tradition, Peter is considered to be pastor of the Universal Church.

History reveals that the single most notable representative of this ministry of Peter toward the Universal Church has been the Bishop of Rome, the city whose church was founded by Peter and where Peter and Paul are buried. The Pope, as Bishop of Rome and successor of Peter, is the visible and perpetual foundation of unity among the bishops and among Christ's faithful. The Bishop of Rome has, by virtue of his role as the Vicar of Christ and as Pastor of the entire Church, a full, supreme and universal authority. The college of bishops, when united to the Pope, has a similar authority.

3. Church Government and Papal Primacy
The beginning of the Church was a unique and creative act of Christ. The Church was and is both a spiritual and visible society, a communion of persons, which needs constant guidance to realize its mission. Thus, Christ perceived the need that someone should govern, have a primacy over, His Church. Therefore, He conferred that authority on Peter. As the Church was to endure through time until the return of Jesus, that authority or office conferred on Peter necessarily provided for succession. In fact, there has been an unbroken succession of popes from Peter to Benedict XV1, the 265th successor.

The primacy of the Pope, the recognition that he is the universal Pastor with full authority over the entire Church, preserves the oneness of the church by being a sign of unity, and by being a centre of communication, correction and assistance in the Church's mission. The Pope's primacy is one of service, in service of unity.

4. Teaching Office
a. Nature:
In order to maintain the Church in the purity of the faith transmitted by the Apostles, Jesus conferred on Her a participation in His own infallibility.

"Infallibility" means "immunity from error". It is a gift of the Holy Spirit which protects the Church from error when the Church solemnly defines a matter of faith or morals.

By a supernatural sense of the faith, the People of God under the leadership of the living Magisterium (the teaching office of the bishops) attach themselves indefectibly to the apostolic faith. The pastoral ministry of the Magisterium is ordered, therefore, to safeguard the People of God in the truth. This teaching office is not above the word of God, but serves it.

b. Infallibility:

To fulfil the teaching office of their pastoral ministry, the Apostles and their successors, the bishops, are given a gift of infallibility in matters of faith and morals. The Pope, as head of the college of bishops, enjoys this gift of infallibility in a unique sense. As pastor and supreme teacher of all the faithful, and charged with the responsibility to confirm his brothers and sisters in the faith, the Pope may proclaim as definitive a point of doctrine touching faith and morals.

When the Church, by her Magisterium, proposes something to be believed as being revealed by God in Jesus Christ, a Catholic is obliged to adhere to the definition with the obedience of faith. When the Magisterium proposes something not in a definitive way but so as to help the faithful in a better understanding of God's Revelation, a Catholic is obliged to give to such teaching the religious assent of his spirit.

It is, therefore, the Pope's role, as it was that of Peter, to guide the community of Christ's faithful, to safeguard them in the truth, and to confirm his brothers and sisters in the faith made possible in Jesus Christ.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#179975 Jun 15, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Jesus fulfilled no messianic prophecy but is the modern day idol of Israel.
Jesus is the modern day idol of Israel? That's a pretty weird, kind of contradictory statement.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#179976 Jun 15, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: nah that is more like, two napoleons in a mental institution - arguing which one is the real napoleon.
I make no special claims about myself, but you do. So who thinks they are Napoleon and who does not?
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#179977 Jun 15, 2013
Alex123 WM wrote:
<quoted text>
If you do a bit of reasearch you will find the holes you have been digging.
Keep searching.
(I have NOT made a mistake...YOU have....not one, but many)
Just quote what Exodus 3:14 really says if you think the version that I quoted is wrong. No need for stupid games.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#179978 Jun 15, 2013
Alex123 WM wrote:
<quoted text>
"pagan" arabs probably worshipped each others bottoms!
Who cares.
Because Muhammad continued the same practice of honoring the black stone. This tradition came from the pagan religion of the Meccans, as well as honoring the kaaba as well as the idea of the jinn. Why would Muhammad continue any practices from the pagans that he grew up with and incorporate them into Islam?
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#179979 Jun 15, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Explain this verse:
005.110
SHAKIR: When Allah will say: O Isa son of Marium! Remember My favor on you and on your mother, ywhen I strengthened ou I with the holy Spirit, you spoke to the people in the cradle and I when of old age, and when I taught you the Book and the wisdom and the Taurat and the Injeel; and when you determined out of clay a thing like the form of a bird by My permission, then you breathed into it and it became a bird by My permission, and you healed the blind and the leprous by My permission; and when you brought forth the dead by My permission; and when I withheld the children of Israel from you when you came to them with clear arguments, but those who disbelieved among them said: This is nothing but clear enchantment.
ywhen I strengthened ou I with the holy Spirit, you spoke to the people in the cradle and I when of old age, and when I taught you the Book and the wisdom and the Taurat and the Injeel; and when you determined out of clay a thing like the form of a bird by My permission, then you breathed into it and it became a bird by My permission,
First of all MUQ. The text states: When I strengthened you I with the holy Spirit.
In that text Allah is saying that Allah is in partnership with the holy Spirit.
The word spirit is capitalized with a capital "S"
signifying two persons are involved in strengthening Jesus to speak from the cradle.
The baby Jesus could not talk on his own, so who did the talking?
Allah or the holy Spirit?
And secondly who is the holy spirit?
I told you, you are out of your mind.

You use your confused logic and create questions which have no place in Quranic texts.

From where you got the idea, that Allah is in partnership with Holy Spirit?

And what is this nonsense about small S or Capital S?

In Arabic there are no small S and Capital S !!

You are surely out of your mind by asking such questions, which find no place in any one reading that verse in Arabic and translation in any language.

You need to get your head examined. Sooner the better for every one on this thread.

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