Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 Read more: The Brussels Journal 216,633

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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#179940 Jun 15, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Off-topic like a presbyter.
I answered your questions and asked:
"Now, Jesus was a Jew. Right? The disciples prayed in the Temple. Right?
Jesus wanted you to remain a Jew. He never changed his religion. Right?
So, why don't you Christians pray in the synagogues, dress up like the Jews and pray the way Jesus did? "
Why did you not answer the questions? Is it because you have no answer? 
Its the truth.
Muslims are godless people.
Muslims don't care about God.
The only thing Muslims care about is pleasing there dead prophet Muhammad.
Muslims love living in sin.
So let Muslim die in their sins.
Muslims want it way anyway.
Non-Muslims just have stay aware that Muslims are potential murderer's.
And always remember that Muslims have the mind set of wild savage dogs.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#179941 Jun 15, 2013
Shamma wrote:
God knows Jesus is his Son, And you are to ignorant to understand when Jesus calls God His Father, it really is His Father.
Shamma,

Your God also knows that Mary Magdalene was his Daughter. Jesus called his Father as Her Father too.

Jesus called his Father as the Father of his brothers (the disciples). So, the disciples were also the Sons of God because they like Jesus also called God Their Father.

So, all Christian men and women are the Sons and Daughters of Their Father.

The good news is that Jesus never called God his father.

Now, this is what you should do. Stop calling God his father. Instead, call the Holy Ghost his father. So, Jesus was not the Son of God but he was the Son of the Holy Ghost, who had fathered him. Right?

Is your God your father or Father? The shrewd and wicked men, including the demons, who gave Jesus the silly title Son of God, could not differentiate between a father and the Father and showed Jesus crying everywhere 'My Father this and my Father that...', which should have simply been 'The Father'.

Good night

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#179942 Jun 15, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Its the truth.
Muslims are godless people.
Muslims don't care about God.
The only thing Muslims care about is pleasing there dead prophet Muhammad.
Muslims love living in sin.
So let Muslim die in their sins.
Muslims want it way anyway.
Non-Muslims just have stay aware that Muslims are potential murderer's.
And always remember that Muslims have the mind set of wild savage dogs.
Off-topic again. See, you were not able to answer!

Try again. I wrote this and added 'typical' to presbyter.:

Off-topic like a typical presbyter.

I answered your questions and asked:

"Now, Jesus was a Jew. Right? The disciples prayed in the Temple. Right?

Jesus wanted you to remain a Jew. He never changed his religion. Right?

So, why don't you Christians pray in the synagogues, dress up like the Jews and pray the way Jesus did? "

Why did you not answer the questions? Is it because you have no answer?"

Now, mow down the churches and join synagogues. And please start worshipping the LORD as Jesus, the Jew did. OK?

Jesus came to take the wrong ways or sinful ways of the world and you guys chose the sinful ways by reducing God to a lowly man! That is the Greatest Sin.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#179943 Jun 15, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Shamma,
Your God also knows that Mary Magdalene was his Daughter. Jesus called his Father as Her Father too.
Jesus called his Father as the Father of his brothers (the disciples). So, the disciples were also the Sons of God because they like Jesus also called God Their Father.
So, all Christian men and women are the Sons and Daughters of Their Father.
The good news is that Jesus never called God his father.
Now, this is what you should do. Stop calling God his father. Instead, call the Holy Ghost his father. So, Jesus was not the Son of God but he was the Son of the Holy Ghost, who had fathered him. Right?
Is your God your father or Father? The shrewd and wicked men, including the demons, who gave Jesus the silly title Son of God, could not differentiate between a father and the Father and showed Jesus crying everywhere 'My Father this and my Father that...', which should have simply been 'The Father'.
Good night
Muslims will never be civilized.
Muslims will always have the mind set of wild savage dogs.
God does things in His own way Muslim.
Muslims can curse Jesus the Son of God all they want, but it is not going to change the mind of God.
You either accept Jesus Christ the Son of God as your Savior, or you don't.
That is the fact of life.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#179944 Jun 15, 2013
Alex123 WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey idiot!
The Gospels were not proof read by Jesus.
If the man said mustard seed, he must have meant mustard seed and not another seed.
Just to quote again what statement that I brought up that caused your response above. "Heaven is like a mustard seed"

Well if you think what you just said above, then I have gained a true look into how you think about or the approach that you use to understand any of these things. So you have told me that any conversation between us will always be pointless. Don't ask me any more questions anymore, and I will not respond to anything that you say on this forum anymore, whether it is directed to me, or someone else. Deal?

Your last statement said it all. Now I KNOW how you approach things. You are actually more stupid than I ever previously imagined, and that says a lot, because I knew you were stupid, but I just had no idea just how stupid you really were.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#179945 Jun 15, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Jesus spoke in parables because he did not want to be understood.
Why not?
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#179946 Jun 15, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Jesus spoke in parables because he did not want to be understood. He also did not claim to be (equal to) God until they dragged it out of him.
So he DID claim that?
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#179947 Jun 15, 2013
uhuh wrote:
<quoted text>
within this same sentence,
"I baptize you in water, but he shall baptize you in holy spirit and fire"
how come WATER can be taken to mean literally, but FIRE should not be taken literally?
Because baptism in the case of Jesus meant fire in one's heart. Do you think that it literally meant heartburn or acid indigestion, or lighting people's hair on fire? Do you take everything so literally? Weren't you they guy that I already explained this to when I mentioned laughing about the idea of people lighting other people's hair on fire and me laughing about that? Did you see my response to what you said?
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#179948 Jun 15, 2013
Alex123 WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Finally you made an attempt to deal with my Q.16 and 17.
I asked...
Did Jesus say?
16.“My mission is not to bring a book, but to die for sins of GENTILES and JEWS”.........Yes/No.
You said..."The answer would be that he never once referenced a book that he brought, and if we look at many last supper statements, he clearly says he is going to die for sins."
..........
You claim that he brought no book but still you clinging on to dear life with john written by many unknown johns.
All of the Gospels are named Gospel According to (person's name), which clearly means that it was people retelling the story of what happened. There was never any attempt to create a "Gospel of Jesus" because the Gospels are are people telling about what he said and did. That's why they are all named the way they are. If it was different, then you would have varying versions of a book called "The Gospel According to Jesus", but nobody ever attempted to do that. The only reason that Muhammad mentioned "the Injil" was because he wanted to make Jesus' mission look as much like his was, therefore Jesus surely brought an actual book. But Jesus never did and never said that he did, and there was never any such thing as the Injil and Muhammad was mistaken or just trying to make Jesus' mission look as much like his as he could. Jeremiah 31 speaks of the prediction of Jesus and it speaks of a New Covenant different than the one that lead them out of Egypt, and it says that the law shall now now be written on the hearts and minds of men, as opposed to in the past where it was written in a book and it speaks of their past sins being forgiven.
Alex123 WM wrote:
<quoted text>
I asked you to "PRODUCE EVIDENCE FROM MARK, AS WE ARE STARTING WITH SYNOPTICS, AND WHY NOT"?
Waiting for last supper comments from Mark.
"24 “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many,”

What does poured out for many mean to you?
Alex123 WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Then I asked...
17. "I, Jesus existed before Abraham".......Yes/No
Provide Chapter and Verse from Gospel of Mark...and later from other Gospels...
I already mentioned the others. But Mark does not specifically mention that. Different authors wrote what they remembered. That's why there are multiple Gospels. There never was one singular "Gospel According to Jesus" because Jesus never mentioned bringing any book with him at all. As per Jeremiah, that was not his goal because he came to die and write the law on the hearts and minds of men, not in a book. Jesus did and said things, and people wrote about it and recalled it as we would expect. If Jesus DID bring a book, we would expect people to invent different accounts or books all called the "Gospel According to Jesus", but nobody ever attempted to call any of these books that because Jesus never brought one, and instead people merely told about what he said and did. The concept of "the Injil" was nothing but an invention on Muhammad's part because he didn't actually understand what the Gospels really were.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#179949 Jun 15, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Why not?
I think he didn't want to be understood because he wasn't sure about who he thought he was and he didn't know about the teachings of scripture. If all of the signs of his spiritual rebirth had actually happened, he would know who he was and would not be afraid to say so. The truth is, he never fulfilled any scripture about anything and relied on the beliefs of his followers to support is imagined identity.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#179950 Jun 15, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
So he DID claim that?
I'm sure you know the NT better than I do Seeker, you're the Christian. Both his followers and the Jews who tried him got him to admit that he claimed to be the son of God. He also said, "I and my father are one". Jesus claimed to be equal to God and in essence claimed to be God.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#179951 Jun 15, 2013
@ Seeker Jeremiah 31:30 says that "everyone shall die for his own iniquity" and Christianity is called a "sour grape". There is no human atonement. The chapter just means that we will live the law in our hearts rather than just observing it by lip service.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#179952 Jun 15, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>I think he didn't want to be understood because he wasn't sure about who he thought he was and he didn't know about the teachings of scripture.
What makes you think he didn't know them all too well?
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>
If all of the signs of his spiritual rebirth had actually happened, he would know who he was and would not be afraid to say so. The truth is, he never fulfilled any scripture about anything and relied on the beliefs of his followers to support is imagined identity.
I see a lot of parallels to what he did and what was mentioned in Jeremiah 31, starting with verse 31
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#179953 Jun 15, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>I'm sure you know the NT better than I do Seeker, you're the Christian. Both his followers and the Jews who tried him got him to admit that he claimed to be the son of God. He also said, "I and my father are one". Jesus claimed to be equal to God and in essence claimed to be God.
That's correct, now tell that to Muslims here who deny that he ever tried to make that claim. The Jewish Authorities understood all too well what he was trying to say, and that's why they wanted to crucify him. Muslims continue to say that he never made any such claims. But if he merely claimed that he was merely a Prophet, the Jewish Authorities wouldn't have wanted to get rid of him like they did. After all, if he merely claimed to just be a Prophet, the Jewish authorities probably wouldn't have had much hatred for him at all.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#179954 Jun 15, 2013
susanblange wrote:
@ Seeker Jeremiah 31:30 says that "everyone shall die for his own iniquity" and Christianity is called a "sour grape". There is no human atonement. The chapter just means that we will live the law in our hearts rather than just observing it by lip service.
31 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to[d] them,[e]”
declares the Lord.
33 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another,‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”

Since: Apr 11

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#179955 Jun 15, 2013
uhuh wrote:
the synoptics still retain a few original sayings of Jesus
but in the 4th gospel there's only "John" putting words in Jesus' mouth
even made Jesus talk like a stranded alien,
"I am from above, I am not of this world"
"If I may be lifted up from the earth"
Every thing John says in his Gospels is true.
Jesus is The Son of God.

Its your character uhuh that tells every one who you are.
And its what you believe and do that shows who you are uhuh.

You are a Muslim, a follower of Muhammad.
You live the life of Muhammad.
In your mind ans heart are the beliefs of Muhammad.
You eat sleep and drink the words of Muhammad.
You would kill infidels for Muhammad.
The question is Why?
Why do you put your eternal life in the hands Muhammad?
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#179956 Jun 15, 2013
Alex123 WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Not a single sensible person has said that to me, Jimmy.
I don't consider you to be a sane person, Jimmy, but it is a free world and each person is entitled to his/her own opinion, Jimmy.
G-d is NOT a naked pagan dangling off a phallus, Jimmy.
The naked pagan dangling off a phallus is CLEARLY SATAN who is taking worship away from G-d, Jimmy.
Take it easy, Jimmy.
rabbee: well i do not care, how you totally disrespect that person from 2000 years ago. the filthy way you, are doing it is wrong. your no help to G-D, you never have been and don't appear you ever will be at this rate.

and i do not care, what your insanity calls me. it is still better than anything you have or don't have.

are you trying to tell me, that over 90,000 muslem are dead in Syria. because they are, free to do so? when you do not give, a damn about them either.

there are some things, you just don't say. and your lack of truth, cannot explain truth? would your dare make jokes, about Noach's being naked? or G-D being, naked with Moshe.

if one sin can cost the lives, of thousands. how many people have you! murdered with your constant sinning?

in no way are you being true to G-D, saying what you have already.

and i believe you are worse, than the worship of hasatan. cause even hasatan, is not that incredibly stupid.

you would do less damage, to the Reputation of G-D. if you said absolutely nothing, for the rest of your alleged natural life. cause you do worse than just tarnish, The-Reputation of G-D.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#179957 Jun 15, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
Because baptism in the case of Jesus meant fire in one's heart. Do you think that it literally meant heartburn or acid indigestion, or lighting people's hair on fire? Do you take everything so literally? Weren't you they guy that I already explained this to when I mentioned laughing about the idea of people lighting other people's hair on fire and me laughing about that? Did you see my response to what you said?
The fire is very literal and is a symbol of holiness. The Messiah will set the world on fire. Judgment on humankind will be characterized by spontaneous combustion and will happen 3 times. First Gods' enemies, then the wicked and lastly the unbelievers. The last judgment is described by Zechariah 14:12 "Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth". Most people equate this with nuclear warfare but it refers to consumption by fire. Jesus will also burst into flames. Ezekiel 28:18 "...I will bring you to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold you".
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#179958 Jun 15, 2013
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text>
That's correct, now tell that to Muslims here who deny that he ever tried to make that claim. The Jewish Authorities understood all too well what he was trying to say, and that's why they wanted to crucify him. Muslims continue to say that he never made any such claims. But if he merely claimed that he was merely a Prophet, the Jewish Authorities wouldn't have wanted to get rid of him like they did. After all, if he merely claimed to just be a Prophet, the Jewish authorities probably wouldn't have had much hatred for him at all.
The Jews wanted to kill him by stoning. That would be the prescribed method of punishment for claiming to be the son of God. His followers got him crucified, that's what he wanted because he thought it would fulfill scripture. Jesus was heretical and converted out of Judaism and started a new religion. Christians worship a different god than the God of Israel. Muslims deny his claims because they accept him as a prophet but not as God. They do not believe Allah has a son. Jesus fulfilled no messianic prophecy but is the modern day idol of Israel.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#179959 Jun 15, 2013
Alex123 WM wrote:
<quoted text>
CAN YOU FIND THIS?
I don't need 10 pages response.
Just a YES or NO. That is the only acceptable answer.
Please prove your claim by giving us the appropriate Chapter and Verse from the Gospels,(NOT OT or other books):
Did JESUS HIMSELF say THIS in the Gospels? If so please give chapter and verse from Gospels:
1. "I am God in flesh"..........Yes/No
rabbee: well you have already rejected, where G-D THEMSELVES says it in Bereeeshees. you do not even read, all of Bereeesheet to find it. it even tells you that G-D is going to place, Them in charge for the last day.

you have already indicated, that you do not believe in TheG-D of TheTorah. because you have, another g-d/s accounting.

and if you have an alleged as true torah, with chapter and verse numbers. i suggest, you burn it. cause there are no chapter and verse numbers, in The Official Torah.

don't care what you do with, your unofficial scriptures of men. but TheTorah is TheWord of G-D, you shall not alter in any way shape or form.

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