Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 256497 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Brussels Journal.

JOEL THUMBS UP

Since: May 13

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#177028 May 21, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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If god wanted us (men) to only have 1 sex partner she would not have given us 2 hands.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.....

LOL. How funny!
Redneck Reb

United States

#177029 May 21, 2013
Reality escapes You Frijoles.....Go take another TOAK...

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#177031 May 21, 2013
Redneck Reb wrote:
Reality escapes You Frijoles.....Go take another TOAK...
You probably think the song Puff the Magic Dragon is satanic
Redneck Reb

United States

#177032 May 21, 2013
So is it FREE HOLES ...or THREE HOLES or THREE FREE HOLES?

LOL .....Whoaaaaaaaah!
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#177033 May 21, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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All the wordings is but commentary. Fundamentally, we have the oneness.
Please dont call me stupid. That only reflects upon the emotionalism you have attached to your position.
I am not an expert on the vagaries of trinity nor do I care to be. I am, however, witness to the verbal gymnastics employed to explain how plurality means oneness. Sorry, I dont see it that way. No need to call me stupid, if anything just call me simple. Thats more to the point.
Look, the Trinity was never mentioned in the New Testament. It is an extrapolation or conclusion of verses from the New Testament that seem to suggest this. Some verses do, others don't, but it's not like they pulled this out of nowhere. Even if their conclusion is wrong, I am convinced they thought they were doing the right thing.

Think about this. If one wants to invent a lie, don't you think they are going to do everything they can to get people to believe the lie? Wouldn't they want this lie to be easy to believe and make perfect sense? Why would someone purposefully invent a lie that is very mysterious, confusing and even leads some to not believe it? This is just plain common sense.

The Quran made itself believable and made sure it was simple and made easy and perfect sense. That's what people create when they create lies. Liars don't create mysteries. So whether the Trinity is true or not, and that is always still up for discussion even to this very day, I am convinced that these people were not making up intentional lies. At worst, they merely didn't understand the scriptures properly and made a mistake, but I can't even be sure of that either.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#177034 May 21, 2013
Redneck Reb wrote:
Reality escapes You Frijoles.....Go take another TOAK...
That's TOKE.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#177035 May 21, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Sense of humor?
(and I am not impressed by bible babbling)
Well that's Jeremiah that I quoted, and if I understand Judaism correctly, he is an authentic prophet, so you are supposed to listen to him.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#177037 May 21, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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That's TOKE.
I was wondering about that. Thanks.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#177038 May 21, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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Well that's Jeremiah that I quoted, and if I understand Judaism correctly, he is an authentic prophet, so you are supposed to listen to him.
The babbling comment was directed to Redneck. Sorry about the ambiguity.

Yes, Jeremiah is on the reading list.

But I was making a funny. Or trying to.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#177039 May 21, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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Look, the Trinity was never mentioned in the New Testament. It is an extrapolation or conclusion of verses from the New Testament that seem to suggest this. Some verses do, others don't, but it's not like they pulled this out of nowhere. Even if their conclusion is wrong, I am convinced they thought they were doing the right thing..
Good point, but I never really opined either way on its origin - its not my scripture - just its application and relevance to the understanding of my scripture
Seeker wrote:
<quoted text> Think about this. If one wants to invent a lie, don't you think they are going to do everything they can to get people to believe the lie? Wouldn't they want this lie to be easy to believe and make perfect sense? Why would someone purposefully invent a lie that is very mysterious, confusing and even leads some to not believe it? This is just plain common sense.

The Quran made itself believable and made sure it was simple and made easy and perfect sense. That's what people create when they create lies. Liars don't create mysteries. So whether the Trinity is true or not, and that is always still up for discussion even to this very day, I am convinced that these people were not making up intentional lies. At worst, they merely didn't understand the scriptures properly and made a mistake, but I can't even be sure of that either.
A truely interesting position to take, but by the same token should I believe or accept everything (or anything) on the basis that it doesnt make perfect sense?

And what business do you OR I have to tell someone of another religious path that their path is wrong?(ok - I admit - I did imply something about Christianity - but that was in the context of a defense of Islam)

Since: Apr 11

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#177040 May 21, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Good point, but I never really opined either way on its origin - its not my scripture - just its application and relevance to the understanding of my scripture
<quoted text>
A truely interesting position to take, but by the same token should I believe or accept everything (or anything) on the basis that it doesnt make perfect sense?
And what business do you OR I have to tell someone of another religious path that their path is wrong?(ok - I admit - I did imply something about Christianity - but that was in the context of a defense of Islam)
When innocent people are being murdered by insane people that claim its an act of transgression against their religion to reject it it.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#177041 May 21, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Good point, but I never really opined either way on its origin - its not my scripture - just its application and relevance to the understanding of my scripture
<quoted text>
A truely interesting position to take, but by the same token should I believe or accept everything (or anything) on the basis that it doesnt make perfect sense?
I only commented on whether they were purposefully lying or not. Everybody has to make their own decisions about anything religious. After all, it IS properly called belief, not fact. Even intelligent religious people know that. I'm not speaking for stupid, blind religious people.
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
And what business do you OR I have to tell someone of another religious path that their path is wrong?
If you notice, I never do. That's pointless. Only fundies do that. All I do is to present my ideas and explain why I think that way. I see Muslims and Christians and Jews simply say "this is the truth", but it's a pointless statement unless someone explains why. And not only do I chastise Muslims for doing this, I'm very fair and chastise Christians for doing the same thing here. Read my posts. I am actually a very fair person.

But I DO often explain why I KNOW that the Quran is false. God could be or do anything at all and how could we know? But when a scripture is said to be the letter for letter dictation of God, rather than an author being inspired by God and possibly interpreting the inspiration with their limited knowledge, then THAT is a clear error, and THAT is the Quran all over the place.

God might or might not do this or that or might or might not be this or that, but God would NEVER misunderstand his creation in the same exact way that a 7th century Bedouin Arab of the time would. This is what makes the Quran the clearest and most provable fraudulent religious scripture that was ever written.
Frijoles wrote:
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(ok - I admit - I did imply something about Christianity - but that was in the context of a defense of Islam)
Why would you ever defend Islam? Why would you defend something that is such a clearly provable lie? Anytime science discovers something new that contradicts the Quran, you watch Muslims scramble around reinterpreting the Quran to MAKE it fit the new discovery.

Then, they have the nerve to give the Quran credit for saying this new truth or fact long ago. That really takes a LOT of nerve, but they don't care. They will lie, if need be, to defend the Quran and it doesn't seem to bother their conscience in the least. But they are so stupid in their desperate need to defend the Quran, no matter what, that they don't even understand that what they are really saying is that one needs scientific discovery in order to understand what the Quran really means.

Yes, they ARE that stupid and this never occurs to them because nobody has ever taught them the concepts of basic reasoning and objective thought, they only taught them the Quran. But I have to admit that occasionally and very rarely I have run into a few intelligent Muslims who are at least smart enough to correct them about this, but they never seem to be willing to do this right in front of the kaffir. Muslims always have to make their fellow Muslim right in public, no matter how wrong they know they are.

So it actually shouldn't be any surprise at all. What surprises me more is the behavior of some Christians here. They should know better, but they don't. But if I think they are wrong, there is nothing is Christianity that says I should protect or hide their error, unlike what Islam teaches. And who knows? I could be wrong instead and they can tell me that, but there is nothing to stop me from commenting if I think that they are wrong. This is real truth. This is real honesty. This is real discussion.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#177043 May 21, 2013
Frijoles,

Let me explain why I now believe the New Testament or at least most of it. After all, it consists of people merely retelling a story, so there are bound to be discrepancies as that's how any retold story goes, but the heart of the matter is still there.

I found the New Testament as confusing as most. I was taught this in the first 8 years of Catholic school that I went to. And after that, I slowly started to think it was all nonsense. Then I turned to reading gurus, philosophers and mystics. Past ones like Buddha and Lao Tzu, and even present ones like Osho, who I respect the least, and Jiddhu Krishnamurti, who I respect a lot and my favorite, Anthony de Mello.

When I understood what they were saying, and then I read the Gospels again, I had a totally different understanding of what Jesus was saying.

Forget about whether he was actually the Son of God or not, and forget about his miracles because anybody can claim that these were merely false stories.

What struck me was the wisdom that I now saw behind his statements. This guy was a mystic, to say the least. But what struck me the most was that if it was merely people inventing these things that he said, from that culture at that time, I thought, how did anybody know this sort of wisdom from that time and culture? They didn't know anything like this in their culture and these were completely foreign ideas to the Jewish culture.

So who would have the wisdom and knowledge to make these saying up? Especially when people of that culture still never understood what his words were talking about even after they were written? And they still don't even understand it today.

But gurus and mystics have no problem understanding what he was saying, whether they believe he was the Son of God or not. The ironic part is that I could find a well trained Buddhist or Toaist that can understand his words better than 99% of Christians do. So this is what I found to be extremely odd, and made me start to take a second look at it. But one has to understand concepts of gurus or mystics to understand what Jesus was supposedly really saying.

Again, I prove nothing, nor could I ever. I can only use reason to make my case. That's all that anybody but the deluded person can do.
Lady Aiyesha

Hurricane, WV

#177044 May 21, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Why you doubt? LOLL?
I doubt your claim because of the FACTS as recorded by MUSLIM historians.

THEY MAKE THE CASE QUITE CONVINCINGLY that YOUR "prophet" was no COMFORTER to his contemporaries that he despoiled of their properties because they rejected him as false, or the ones that he killed, enslaved, and expelled from Arabia, with malice and aforethought, and all with "Allah's" approval, or so he said.

You, being willfully blind, JUSTIFY such conduct that TODAY would be prosecuted as unjustified and criminal, and for no other reason than that Mohammad CLAIMED to be a prophet, while his Qur'an, which he also CLAIMED was the very word of "Allah," is a cobbled together hack job of "borrowed" source material -Hebrew, Christian, Arabian- that is at the same time replete with contradictions of logic, fact, and history, as any OBJECTIVE reader of the Qur'an would note.

Put another way, MUQ, you'd rather not think at all about what it is that you actually believe.

After all, Mohammad knows best.
Mr Buttinsky

Hurricane, WV

#177045 May 21, 2013
Seeker wrote:
Frijoles,
Let me explain why I now believe the New Testament or at least most of it. After all, it consists of people merely retelling a story, so there are bound to be discrepancies as that's how any retold story goes, but the heart of the matter is still there.
I found the New Testament as confusing as most. I was taught this in the first 8 years of Catholic school that I went to. And after that, I slowly started to think it was all nonsense. Then I turned to reading gurus, philosophers and mystics. Past ones like Buddha and Lao Tzu, and even present ones like Osho, who I respect the least, and Jiddhu Krishnamurti, who I respect a lot and my favorite, Anthony de Mello.
When I understood what they were saying, and then I read the Gospels again, I had a totally different understanding of what Jesus was saying.
Forget about whether he was actually the Son of God or not, and forget about his miracles because anybody can claim that these were merely false stories.
What struck me was the wisdom that I now saw behind his statements. This guy was a mystic, to say the least. But what struck me the most was that if it was merely people inventing these things that he said, from that culture at that time, I thought, how did anybody know this sort of wisdom from that time and culture? They didn't know anything like this in their culture and these were completely foreign ideas to the Jewish culture.
So who would have the wisdom and knowledge to make these saying up? Especially when people of that culture still never understood what his words were talking about even after they were written? And they still don't even understand it today.
But gurus and mystics have no problem understanding what he was saying, whether they believe he was the Son of God or not. The ironic part is that I could find a well trained Buddhist or Toaist that can understand his words better than 99% of Christians do. So this is what I found to be extremely odd, and made me start to take a second look at it. But one has to understand concepts of gurus or mystics to understand what Jesus was supposedly really saying.
Again, I prove nothing, nor could I ever. I can only use reason to make my case. That's all that anybody but the deluded person can do.
I've stated before in this thread that if Jesus didn't in fact exist, then whomsoever invented him was some kind of genius, establishing an ideal of conduct.

Of course, not many turn the other cheek, or give their coats to thieves in addition to their wallets. Far from it. WE SUE THE BASTARDS, DAMNIT!!!
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#177046 May 21, 2013
Mr Buttinsky wrote:
<quoted text>I've stated before in this thread that if Jesus didn't in fact exist, then whomsoever invented him was some kind of genius, establishing an ideal of conduct.
Of course, not many turn the other cheek, or give their coats to thieves in addition to their wallets. Far from it. WE SUE THE BASTARDS, DAMNIT!!!
DING DING DING!!! I'm not saying any more to your post because there is no need to. I wouldn't even say anything like God bless you because there would not be any need to say any such thing to you.

Enjoy Buttinsky. BTW, love the name. LOL!!!
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#177047 May 21, 2013
Redneck Reb wrote:
The "Word of God" states That Israel will return as a Nation! Israel has returned as a Nation! So It IS the Holy Inspired WORD of God!
So while the jews had not returned to their land for past 2000 years, the status of Bible was on a limbo?

Only when they returned, it is proven? Is that what you want to say?

Is THAT proof?
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#177048 May 21, 2013
Teachings of Paul Part-3

7. Subject Matter: Authority

Roman 13- 1

What Paul Wrote?)

Let every one be subject to authority¬Ö.who fears authority? Not those who do good, but those who do evil.

Remarks (MUQ)

What is authority without any responsibility? They should go hand in hand.

8. Subject Matter: Avoiding Jews

Roman 15-20

What Paul Wrote?)

I have been very careful, however, and I am proud of this, not to preach in places where Christ is already known

Remarks (MUQ)

To get followers who know nothing about Jewish laws!!

9. Subject Matter: Bad words

Eph. 4-29

What Paul Wrote?)

Do not let even one bad word come from your mouth, but only good words that will encourage when necessary and be helpful to those who hear.

Remarks (MUQ)

No Comment
uhuh

Barcelona, Spain

#177049 May 21, 2013
Seeker wrote:
Let me explain why I believe the New Testament. After all, it consists of people merely retelling a story, so there are bound to be discrepancies.
discrepancies between the books prove that the writers were not inspired by the same spirit
uhuh

Barcelona, Spain

#177050 May 21, 2013
it was not a Jewish messiah-applicant who freed Israel from the chains of Edom (Rome)
it was Umar (and later Saladin) who chased off the Edomites, those cross-worshippers, from the holy land and invited Jewish families to return back home

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