Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 Full story: The Brussels Journal 207,279

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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#173419 Apr 25, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>When the Messiah of Israel comes, the world will convert to Judaism or Christianity and Islam as well as all other religions will disappear. Everybody in the world will see the OT fulfilled and will either be a follower of the Messiah (sons of light) or will follow Jesus (sons of darkness) Jesus has been reincarnated and this time he's going to burst into flames. Ezekiel 28:18-19
According to you he's already here, and no one is converting to Judaism, or to any modified version of it.
Reincarnated Bill

Hurricane, WV

#173420 Apr 25, 2013
Eric wrote:
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That's fine with me. You are allowed to form your own personal religious beliefs as far as I am concerned. Just like the Muslims are allowed to believe that Jesus did not die on the cross.
I suppose that it doesn't need to be said that it helps to believe things that are actually provable.

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#173421 Apr 25, 2013
bmz wrote:
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At least she is better than Jesus, who found God only when he was thirty and that too courtesy of John the baptist.
Imagine, if John had not dunked him in the Jordan, you would not have heard about the Father and the Dove!!!
Do you want her to discover the absurd triune God, which she could never find, while she remained a Christian?
Where is my answer from you?
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
A better translation by T. B. Irving, an American who became Muslim:
"They neither killed nor crucified him, even though it seemed so to them. Those who disagree about it are in doubt concerning it; they have no [real] knowledge about it except by following conjecture. No one is certain they killed him!"
In other words, people thought they were killing him but that was not the case.
It was like a well-managed stage show.

Where is my answer from you BMZ to my Question?
There is no explanation in the Quran as why the Jews wanted to kill Jesus in the place.
So What cause did Allah have to put on a well managed staged show for the Jews?

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#173422 Apr 25, 2013
Where is my answer from you?
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
A better translation by T. B. Irving, an American who became Muslim:
"They neither killed nor crucified him, even though it seemed so to them. Those who disagree about it are in doubt concerning it; they have no [real] knowledge about it except by following conjecture. No one is certain they killed him!"
In other words, people thought they were killing him but that was not the case.
It was like a well-managed stage show.

Where is my answer from you BMZ to my Question?
There is no explanation in the Quran as why the Jews wanted to kill Jesus in the first place.
So What cause did Allah have to put on a well managed staged show for the Jews?

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#173423 Apr 25, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>I would suggest you consider Judaism and get yourself an old King James bible. Start with the Psalms and Isaiah. It will take a long time to fully absorb it. I've finally gotten to the point where I can meditate, my mind is fully saturated with the scriptures. Just because you've turned your back on Christianity doesn't mean you should also forsake the Old Testament. The Messiah is here and is getting ready to appear in glory.
I have no idea of what kind of Jewish you are, but Jews don't rely upon any King James Bible who is famous to be one of the most modified Bible, but rather they read the Tanakh. If you don't know hebrew, as I guess, then you can find Tanakh with English translations next to the original texts.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#173424 Apr 25, 2013
bmz wrote:
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I don't think Tanakh has been watered down.
I try to read as many translations of Tanakh and the Christian Bible, I can get, Susan. That helps.
I've also read thru the new testament 3 times, enough to be able to shoot it down. I've also read Rashis' commentary of the Torah, Elijah loaned me his copies 29 years ago. I stick to the same version bmz, mainly so that I can quote it from memory, that definitely helps with meditation. If I read different translations, it would be convoluted in my mind. The OKJV is incredibly accurate !

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#173425 Apr 25, 2013
bmz wrote:
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The well-manage stage show was conducted by Pilate in coordination with the high-priest, after Pilate convinced them that the man was innocent.
So, in order to appease the crowd, they set up a mock crucifixion and mounted up a scarecrow kind of thing and people thought that a man was being killed.
During that show, Jesus slipped out and ran away to safety, never to come out in the open again.
In order to follow your Quran you are telling us roman soldiers, as well as the rabbis and all the people who wanted Yeshua dead, to be dumb, making appear yourself even dumber than all of them.

The Nazarene was escorted 'till crucifixion. There was no way he could have escaped.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#173426 Apr 25, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>
Where is my answer from you?
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
A better translation by T. B. Irving, an American who became Muslim:
"They neither killed nor crucified him, even though it seemed so to them. Those who disagree about it are in doubt concerning it; they have no [real] knowledge about it except by following conjecture. No one is certain they killed him!"
In other words, people thought they were killing him but that was not the case.
It was like a well-managed stage show.
Where is my answer from you BMZ to my Question?
There is no explanation in the Quran as why the Jews wanted to kill Jesus in the place.
So What cause did Allah have to put on a well managed staged show for the Jews?
According to Jewish law, Jesus was worthy of death for being a false prophet and a deceiver and trying to lead the children of Israel astray. The only thing is, if the Jews had their way, they would've stoned him to death according to Jewish law.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#173427 Apr 25, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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I have no idea of what kind of Jewish you are, but Jews don't rely upon any King James Bible who is famous to be one of the most modified Bible, but rather they read the Tanakh. If you don't know hebrew, as I guess, then you can find Tanakh with English translations next to the original texts.
If something doesn't make sense to me, I do look at the Hebrew and have to ask a Rabbi because my Hebrew is very limited. I am Israeli and not ethnically Jewish, I'm from the tribe of Joseph/Ephraim.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#173428 Apr 25, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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In order to follow your Quran you are telling us roman soldiers, as well as the rabbis and all the people who wanted Yeshua dead, to be dumb, making appear yourself even dumber than all of them.
The Nazarene was escorted 'till crucifixion. There was no way he could have escaped.
It's likely Jesus was crucified, but it still didn't fulfill anything. The main thing about the "crucifixion" was supposed to be the "floods".
Eric

South Elgin, IL

#173429 Apr 25, 2013
Reincarnated Bill wrote:
<quoted text>I suppose that it doesn't need to be said that it helps to believe things that are actually provable.
If you are speaking of Sabbath:

It's not provable that someone/some deity set up an early workplace rule that required one day off in seven for the benefit of humanity? Illinois still has that rule. It doesn't require that the day be Saturday or Sunday. It just requires that you can't work more than 6 days in a row. Can't it be like many laws of the time that were founded in G-d's name, but were for the benefit of man; e.g., kosher laws to make sure that the food was wholesome?

If you are speaking of Jesus:

Not much of the Jesus story is provable. That's why it's called faith.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#173430 Apr 25, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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Thanks to give us your own made up definition of modern who doesn't find any confirmation with history and genetic.
you asked my view, and I gave it.

More interesting, all of a sudden you dont LIKE my view, since my qualification clashes with your agenda. A post before you did like my view.

I guess I am not your boy anymore. Sniff.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#173431 Apr 25, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text> You are twenty and have not found God yet?
seems to me you choose to be looked at as a piece of meat.
You sound like a 21 year old moron.
You deserve to be a Muslim, go for it moron.
Marry a Muslim and move to a Muslim country, that would be great for for you.
You already rejected using your brain to find God.
And you are not using your brain now.
I shudder to think that your evangelical church would ever put you in reach of the public.

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#173432 Apr 25, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
<quoted text>
I have no idea of what kind of Jewish you are, but Jews don't rely upon any King James Bible who is famous to be one of the most modified Bible, but rather they read the Tanakh. If you don't know hebrew, as I guess, then you can find Tanakh with English translations next to the original texts.
She is not Jewish, by her own admittance, silly. Pay attention.

And by the way you are the LAST one to tell anyone what Jews do or dont do. You are clueless. Totally clueless.
JOEL

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#173433 Apr 25, 2013
Yawn.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#173434 Apr 25, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are speaking of Sabbath:
It's not provable that someone/some deity set up an early workplace rule that required one day off in seven for the benefit of humanity? Illinois still has that rule. It doesn't require that the day be Saturday or Sunday. It just requires that you can't work more than 6 days in a row. Can't it be like many laws of the time that were founded in G-d's name, but were for the benefit of man; e.g., kosher laws to make sure that the food was wholesome?
If you are speaking of Jesus:
Not much of the Jesus story is provable. That's why it's called faith.
In New England we call these blue laws. One by one they have been repealed, usually over the objectives of the merchants, who desire a day off.

The most recent blue law to get repealed in CT was the law banning the sale of alcohol on Sunday. The liquor store owners lobbied vehemently AGAINST repealing this law and lost (to the supermarket lobby).

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#173435 Apr 25, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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you asked my view, and I gave it.
More interesting, all of a sudden you dont LIKE my view, since my qualification clashes with your agenda. A post before you did like my view.
I guess I am not your boy anymore. Sniff.
LOL

Hey you are too stupid that you are making things up out of nothing.

Never asked your view, to begin with.

Almost all your posts never liked.

Your qualification? The only you have are sarcasm, lying, idiocy and denying.

My agenda? You mean history and genetic, which your personal definition doesn't find any confirmations with them? Ok

Never said in the post before or the ones before it, I like your response. You are seriously too demented to talk with me. Stay with your similars.

Never considered you my boy. You confused me with Joel, mr Fungus, but its' ok my post went over your head as expected.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#173436 Apr 25, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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She is not Jewish, by her own admittance, silly. Pay attention.
And by the way you are the LAST one to tell anyone what Jews do or dont do. You are clueless. Totally clueless.
I think Stefano is actually a Muslim, he's anti bible.

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#173437 Apr 25, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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She is not Jewish, by her own admittance, silly. Pay attention.
And by the way you are the LAST one to tell anyone what Jews do or dont do. You are clueless. Totally clueless.
She just told me she is Jewish but not ethnically.

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#173438 Apr 25, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>It's likely Jesus was crucified, but it still didn't fulfill anything. The main thing about the "crucifixion" was supposed to be the "floods".
He didn't fullfil all the prophecies but only one part of it. Even those he did, we don't know for certainty if he did fullfil for real or they were just attribute to him, for the sake of making appear him as the messiah.

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