Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 256266 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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JOEL

India

#173186 Apr 23, 2013
typo - reverse
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#173188 Apr 23, 2013
look wrote:
People are taking things out of context when they try to say that Jesus was not crucified, according to the Qur'an.
The Qur'an does make it clear that the People of the Scripture claim they killed Jesus son of Mary, even though they did not.
Have you not seen a christian act as if they are guilty of
such a crime and then claim that they are really the ones who "put Jesus on that cross"?
Have you not heard people claim that the Jews are the ones responsible?
The Bible clearly details that the Roman government carried out the crucifixion, not the Jews or Christians.
The Roman government is not
considered as part of the People of the Scripture.
The Jews at the time of Jesus had "No Power" to hang or crucify anyone, because they were being ruled by Romans. So the execution HAS to be approved and executed by the Romans.

But Jews did arrest Jesus and had a "religious trial" before their Sanhedrin and convicted him, and condemned him. Then they took him first to Herod and and then to Pilate to execute their condemnation.

What Romans had to do with Jesus? Why they should crucify him? If you read Gospel' accounts, it were jews who were "heart and soul" behind the entire issue.

And they even said "let his blood be on our heads and heads of our children"...

I do not know why "Christian Friends" are coming out in droves and saying "jews are innocent"...when Jews themselves never give any apology and never say anything good about Jesus.

Is it not a strange situations? Christians "bending themselves over their back" to exonerate Jews of the crime, as if they are :mental slaves" to the Jews.

What else is called brain washing?
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#173189 Apr 23, 2013
Jesus is wrote:
<quoted text>
IRENAEUS WAS THE BISHOP OF GAUL WHICH WAS PART OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE THEN AND NOW LYONS, FRANCE.
He was most influeced by St. Polycarp who was a disciple of John the disciple and familiar with the teachings of Jesus's THAT WERE NOT ISLAMIC!
His writings , WHICH WERE SO CLOSE TO TIME THE GOSPELS WERE PENNED, are one of the earliest references that Christians have to the godspels, AND NO ONE HAS BOTHERED TO FORGE EARLIER EVIDENCE SO THEY'RE GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME!!!!!!!
Irenaeus was so against the gnostics who authored false Gospels because they didn't have any authentic ones, THAT I TRUST HIS WORDS!!!!!!!
You are not aware of the "law of evidence" in Islamic system. Unless Iraneus says specifically that Polycorp said to me and John told Polycorp such and such....any statement of Iraenus cannot be accepted on behalf of Apostle John.

This is how Islamic system of narration works and now I want to ask, what is your source of info regarding Iraneous? Have you copy of his "original manuscript", or again some one says that Iraenus wrote such and such?

To prove authenticity of any statement is not that easy. It is only in Islam that you find the complete chain of narrators along with their biography and date of death, so one can verify the chain.

I know that in Christianity every thing works on "good will" and every one believes that people of earlier generations did not tell lies and did not corrupt the scriptures. This is not correct.

Changing and tweaking scriptures in Christianity is "as old" as the religion itself and it started with Paul, who became a "self claimed" apostle of Jesus and no one raised any finger!!
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#173190 Apr 23, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
They lie!
Haven't you heard it is being said all the time that the Father is God, the son is God and the Holy Ghost is God?
Haven't you also heard it being said all the time that the Father is not the Son and not the Ghost, the Son is not the Father and not the Ghost and the Ghost is not the Father and not the Son?
And that these three are distinct and co-equal. They talk about a Godhead, not God.
So, how does the example of water, steam and ice fit this nonsense? Please try to explain, if you are not confused.
What is crystal clear to you is that the Father (Water) became Jesus (ice cube), had himself killed, got up, became Father (Water) again and some times came as a Ghost (Steam or Vapour). Is that so?
Trying to teach logic to these people?

Will any one but totally dumb person will believe in such a Non Sense concept?

And it is really hilarious when you find people "trying to explain Trinity thru Reason and Logic" it is nothing short of comical.

And it is the same people who look with microscope to find faults in Islam.

Strange but true.

Salaam

MUQ
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#173191 Apr 23, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Trying to teach logic to these people?

Will any one but totally dumb person will believe in such a Non Sense concept?

And it is really hilarious when you find people "trying to explain Trinity thru Reason and Logic" it is nothing short of comical.

And it is the same people who look with microscope to find faults in Islam.

Strange but true.

Salaam
MUQ
Wasn't teaching, MUQ.

I was ridiculing Stefano Colonna, who finds the absurd Trinity, easy to explain and claims to understand it well.

According to him, Trinity is very easy to understand using the silly analogy of water, ice and vapour.

Salaams
BMZ
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#173192 Apr 23, 2013
Jesus is wrote:
HAS ANYONE BOTHERED TO WORK OUT WHY ALLAH DIDN'T CONFESS THAT HE PUT A REPLACEMENT ON THE CROSS, TO THE MUSLIM EYEWITNESSES, to stop the formation of Christianity?
Allah never said that a replacement was provided. And the Christian God also remained silent on this matter.

Jesus was not sent to form a religion. Formation of Christianity was out of question at that time. Christianity came four centuries later, courtesy Roman pagans.
JOEL

India

#173193 Apr 23, 2013
Jesus was a wolf in sheep's clothing.
JOEL

India

#173195 Apr 23, 2013
JESUS WOULD HAVE DIED HAD HE BEEN HUNG ON THE CROSS FOR MORE HOURS:

Had poor Jesus hung on the cross for 6 or more hours, he'd have bled to death and his OBE would have become a permanent state of existence. and he'd have to quit his dead body forever. Luckily, his mother and disciples bribed the Roman officials to free Jesus after a mere 3 hours on the cross and once he was taken down in 3 hours he was medically treated and laid to rest in an open mouthed tomb with his companions keeping a close watch and attending to his wounds ever so oftgen. His body began to heal and the OBE ended and he walked out of the tomb on the 3rd day with the help of his mother, wife and close disciples. Thereafter, he was warned never to show his ugly face in Jeruslame and as a result he fled the region and took up resisdence in India.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#173196 Apr 23, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Trying to teach logic to these people?
Will any one but totally dumb person will believe in such a Non Sense concept?
And it is really hilarious when you find people "trying to explain Trinity thru Reason and Logic" it is nothing short of comical.
And it is the same people who look with microscope to find faults in Islam.
Strange but true.
Salaam
MUQ
Since you so boldly proclaim the Holy Trinity of God to be non sense.
explain the concept of Allah from the perspective of the Quran MUQ?

Explain how Allah can be Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and Omniscient and still logically with reason be one dimensional?
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#173197 Apr 24, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>
Since you so boldly proclaim the Holy Trinity of God to be non sense.
explain the concept of Allah from the perspective of the Quran MUQ?
Explain how Allah can be Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and Omniscient and still logically with reason be one dimensional?
Allah is the mightiest and knows everything.

It is Satan, who is present everywhere. So, Satan is omniscient. Do you think Jesus is omniscient?

It is the Christian God that is one dimensional, which means it is superficial and has no depth.

In other words, it carries no weight.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#173198 Apr 24, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Allah never said that a replacement was provided. And the Christian God also remained silent on this matter.
Jesus was not sent to form a religion. Formation of Christianity was out of question at that time. Christianity came four centuries later, courtesy Roman pagans.
Explain exactly what Allah meant in that text?
The variations appear in the translation/interpretation of the end portion of the verse which reads: "wa lakin shubbiha lahum"

wa means: And, also, but, whilst.
lakin means; But, still, nevertheless.
shubbiha means; To be made like; A likeness or similitude.
(This could refer to: A likeness or similitude (of Jesus), or
A likeness or similitude (of Killing), or
A likeness or similitude (of Crucifixion), or
A likeness or similitude (of Killing & Crucifixion)
lahum means; Was made for them.

Below are the other English translations by Muslims and non Muslim scholars for comparison:

1. Translation by Allama Abdullah Yusuf Ali:
"But they killed him not, nor crucified him,
only a likeness of that was shown to them."

2. Translation by Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall:
"...They slew him not nor crucified
but it appeared so unto them;"

3. Translation by Professor Arthur J. Arberry:
"...yet they did not slay him, neither crucified him,
only a likeness of that was shown to them."

In the above English translations the translators have refrained from advocating any specific theory since Allah (SWT) has not mentioned any of the prevalent theories on the subject in this verse or anywhere else in the Qur'an.(I repeat "in the Qur'an").

So what did Allah say in that text?
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#173199 Apr 24, 2013
JOEL wrote:
JESUS WOULD HAVE DIED HAD HE BEEN HUNG ON THE CROSS FOR MORE HOURS:

Had poor Jesus hung on the cross for 6 or more hours, he'd have bled to death and his OBE would have become a permanent state of existence. and he'd have to quit his dead body forever. Luckily, his mother and disciples bribed the Roman officials to free Jesus after a mere 3 hours on the cross and once he was taken down in 3 hours he was medically treated and laid to rest in an open mouthed tomb with his companions keeping a close watch and attending to his wounds ever so oftgen. His body began to heal and the OBE ended and he walked out of the tomb on the 3rd day with the help of his mother, wife and close disciples. Thereafter, he was warned never to show his ugly face in Jeruslame and as a result he fled the region and took up resisdence in India.
lol!

I agree with that assessment. You should not have called him ugly. He was handsome like Roman Centurions.
JOEL

New Delhi, India

#173200 Apr 24, 2013
WAS JESUS HANDSOME AS ALLEGED BY BMZ?

Handsome?

LOL.

BMZ,you're influenced by all those beautiful portraits of Jesus depicted as a European with white skin, blue eyes and golden hair that you see in the churches

This is far from true.

The real Jesus was olive-skinned,, average-looking, had dark brown eyes, of average height and the tip of his nose was slightly bent.

Yeshu can be called the world's first Buju - a Jew influenced in parts by Buddhist thought.

Jesus was more of a tantrik (occultist) as seen in the display of vital powers - rasing the dead, de-possessing people, healing diseases with a glance or touch, walking on water, materializing objects, killing the fig tree with a discharge of intense vital power and so on . These vital powers are common to the advanced tantriks.

In conclusion, it can be said that Jesus had shades of evil and good in his personality.
JOEL

New Delhi, India

#173201 Apr 24, 2013
Jesus was a hypocritical fruitcake.

(smiles)
JOEL

New Delhi, India

#173202 Apr 24, 2013
Bye, boyz.

ROFL.
Jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#173203 Apr 24, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
You are not aware of the "law of evidence" in Islamic system. Unless Iraneus says specifically that Polycorp said to me and John told Polycorp such and such....any statement of Iraenus cannot be accepted on behalf of Apostle John.
IT WAS PROBEBLY COMMON KNOWLEDGE AT THE TIME!!!!!!!!
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MUSLIM FLAVOURED GOSPELS BY JESUS'S MUSLIM STUDENTS?
If you say that Christian's destroyed them, why didn't anyone protest? Why did Allah allow this to happen? Why didn't Allah preserve any of them?
WHAT REMOTE LITTLE PIECE OF EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE UNDER YOUR MIGHTY "LAW OF EVIDENCE"?????

And what motive would they have had when Jesus is so important to them?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#173204 Apr 24, 2013
Methuslaeh wrote:
<quoted text>
Firstly, thank you for the question. I honestly didn't expect one.
Secondly, I'm not entirely sure what a "day of rest" entails. I mean, energy is expended when I get out of bed; it is WORK.
Thirdly, what does it mean that God "rested," and how in the hell are we supposed to emulate THAT?
from a Christian perspective

http://bibletruth.cc/KeepingSabbath.htm

http://bibletruth.cc/KeepingSabbath.htm#Resti...

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#173205 Apr 24, 2013
Methuslaeh wrote:
<quoted text>
Firstly, thank you for the question. I honestly didn't expect one.
Secondly, I'm not entirely sure what a "day of rest" entails. I mean, energy is expended when I get out of bed; it is WORK.
Thirdly, what does it mean that God "rested," and how in the hell are we supposed to emulate THAT?
Another Christian perspective

http://www.khouse.org/articles/2000/223/

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#173206 Apr 24, 2013
Irony of Ironies

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/24/us/boston-m...

"Elmirza Khozhugov, 26, the ex-husband of Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s younger sister, Ailina, said that Tamerlan Tsarnaev had been enamored of conspiracy theories, and that he was also concerned by the wars in the Middle East.

“He was looking for connections between the wars in the Middle East and oppression of Muslim population around the globe,” Mr. Khozhugov said in an e-mail.“It was very hard to argue with him on themes somehow connected to religion. On the other hand, he did not hate Christians. He respected their faith. Never said anything bad about other religions. But he was angry that the world pictures Islam as a violent religion.”

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"But he was angry that the world pictures Islam as a violent religion.”

So LETS blow up a bunch of innocents as a result!!!!
Jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#173207 Apr 24, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Allah never said that a replacement was provided. And the Christian God also remained silent on this matter.
Jesus was not sent to form a religion. Formation of Christianity was out of question at that time. Christianity came four centuries later, courtesy Roman pagans.
QURAN SURA 4:157:

'And for their saying. We slew the Messiah. Jesus son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah', Whereas they slew himnot and neither crucified him, BUT ONE WAS MADE LIKE HIM FOR THEM. And those who are differing about him,certainly, they are in doubt regarding' him. They have not the least knowledge about it, but merely following aconjecture, and undoubtedly, they slew him' not.'

WHO MADE THE ONE LIKE JESUS????? WHY DOESN'T ALLAH SAY? WHY DOESN'T ALLAH SAY WHO IT WAS AND STATE WHAT HE DID?

WHY DOESN'T ALLAH ADMIT THAT HE COULDN'T RAISE JESUS FROM THE DEAD, BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE THE POWER?

WHY DIDN'T ALLAH CONFESS TO THE MUSLIM STUDENTS OF JESUS AT THE TIME???????

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