Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 256363 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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#170827 Apr 6, 2013
ana wrote:
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It was foreseeable that you would pull out this tried and tested and exhausted argument
Before this era, During this era and for centuries after, it was common for people to marry very young, this was not something unique to Islam.... And the marriage was consummated as soon as the girl started her menses....this was considered normal then,
times have changed since, it is no longer considered normal, because moral codes have changed over time... It doesn't specify an age for marriage in the Quran
People also didn't live as long then... The life span tended to be much shorter, this happened before and after the time of prophet Mohamed peace be upon him...people's social and financial circumstance was different... Especially a woman's, Islam actually gave women rights which they were denied before..
And it happened 1400 years or so ago
See examples below of examples other than islam throughout history
Edward II's daughter Joan is married to Prince David of Scotland in 1328 when she is seven and he is four. Princess Isabella of France marries Richard II in 1396 when she is seven, although she has the opportunity to change her mind later.
Lady Margaret Beaufort is 13 when she gives birth to the future Henry VII in 1457. But in 1414, a Welsh couple are sent to Henry V as a 'marvel' because they have had a baby: allegedly, she is seven and he is nine.
The Age of consent for girls in America before the 19th century was as low as 10!(I wonder what it would've been if America existed at the time of Prophet Mohammad 1400 hundred years ago?!) and these same Americans criticize the prophet of Islam for marrying a 9 year old girl 1400 hundred years ago while in their own country NOT 1400 years ago but ONLY 100 years ago the age of consent for girls was as low as 10, hilarious indeed.
In the late nineteenth century,"Age of consent" referred to the legal age at which a girl could consent to sexual relations. Men who engaged in sexual relations with girls who had not reached the age of consent could be criminally prosecuted. American reformers were shocked to discover that the laws of most states set the age of consent at the age of ten or twelve, and in one state, Delaware, the age of consent was only seven.
Age of consent in England:
The age of consent for heterosexual acts was set at 12 in 1275 and remained so for six centuries.
The age of consent in Spain is 13, as specified by the Spanish Penal Code, Articles 181(2) and 183.
The National age of consent in Japan is 13 for both males and females, as specified by the Japanese Penal Code Articles 176 and 177.
In the talmud, girls were married off at the age of 3.
In one of the bibles, Joseph was 90 years old when he married 12 to 14-year old Mary
But isn't Muhammad a prophet of god? And as such shouldn't he be an example for mankind to which each of us has to follow, not matter what age he lived at? If the others did something wrong, what sense does it make that even the prophet of god, the called perfect man make the same mistakes?

What kind of example for mankind is a man of over 50 years old to marry a six years old baby and have sex with her when she turned to 9. Muhammad was obviously a pedophile, and Allah, the god was pleased of that.

When I think of it, I really laugh and at the same time I am disgusted about your prophet and his god and to all Muslims who run to defend a pedophile, especially if the lawyer is a girl/woman, like your case.
bmz

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#170828 Apr 6, 2013
Alex123 WM wrote:
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Normally GOD can forgive sins WITHOUT DYING, but in YOUR case your "god" NEEDED to die for YOUR sins...and if YOU continue to behave the way you do, your "god" NEEDS to die SEVERAL times!
According to Christianity, Jesus died a Sinner.
bmz

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#170829 Apr 6, 2013
Robert Laity wrote:
GET OUT YOU najis degenerate Islamic scumbags. You are NOT welcome here in America.
There are only six million Muslims in America and I do not live in your country.

My daughter went as a tourist and just came back from Florida. She was welcomed everywhere. Folks were nice. She had a pleasant stay.

She did not come across a single Christian Scumbag. Which cesspool of the Bible Belt do you live in, Robert?
bmz

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#170830 Apr 6, 2013
Robert Laity wrote:
<quoted text>Jesus IS GOD. Allah is a false god referred to as "god of the moon".
That Jesus is God, is a Bull Shit, Robert.

I don't know who were the ignorant fools, who started making that silly and absurd statement.
bmz

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#170831 Apr 6, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: none of what you said, makes anyone true to G-D. and it is obvious according to scripture that circumcision, does not make anyone true to G-D. and there is a difference between only claiming to be of the linage of Avraham, and actually being in TheLinage of Avraham.
The instruction came from G-d, Rabbee. It is in TheTorah.

It is not about lineage. It is about following Abraham, who was greater than Jesus and many others.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#170832 Apr 6, 2013
Robert Laity wrote:
GET OUT YOU najis degenerate Islamic scumbags. You are NOT welcome here in America.
rabbee: well apparently bang phrases, are your expertease and not logic. and bang phrases are, generally counter-productive prejudice. and are meant as an insult, and not enlightenment. cause your logic, is weak and unfounded.
bmz

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#170833 Apr 6, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: well apparently bang phrases, are your expertease and not logic. and bang phrases are, generally counter-productive prejudice. and are meant as an insult, and not enlightenment. cause your logic, is weak and unfounded.
Thank you, Rabbee
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#170834 Apr 6, 2013
bmz wrote:
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That Jesus is God, is a Bull Shit, Robert.
I don't know who were the ignorant fools, who started making that silly and absurd statement.
rabbee: well don't care if you all give adam and his mate a fake name. it still won't prevent, TheG-D of TheTorah. from putting Them in charge, for the final day again. but at the rate of your, fake name disguised insults. i am not sure you shall live long enough, to see this happening again in TheTorah. especially since it disproves, everything muhammed said about me and G-D here in TheTorah again.

so if any of your other g-ds, does not meet TheStandard of G-D actually here in TheTorah. then may i suggest, your being not here in TheTorah conned again. and as long as we refuse to make it to GanEden, TheTorah always ends and beguins with TheFlood. just because you all do not believe, TheG-D of TheTorah can do it all over again.
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#170835 Apr 6, 2013
ana wrote:
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..it was common for people to marry very young, this was not something unique to Islam.... And the marriage was consummated as soon as the girl started her menses....this was considered normal then,
..People also didn't live as long then... The life span tended to be much shorter, this happened before and after the time of prophet Mohamed peace be upon him...people's social and financial circumstance was different... Especially a woman's, Islam actually gave women rights which they were denied before..
And it happened 1400 years or so ago
See examples below of examples other than islam throughout history
.. Princess Isabella of France marries Richard II in 1396 when she is seven, although she has the opportunity to change her mind later.
Lady Margaret Beaufort is 13 when she gives birth to the future Henry VII in 1457. But in 1414, a Welsh couple are sent to Henry V as a 'marvel' because they have had a baby: allegedly, she is seven and he is nine.
The Age of consent for girls in America before the 19th century was as low as 10!(I wonder what it would've been if America existed at the time of Prophet Mohammad 1400 hundred years ago?!) and these same Americans criticize the prophet of Islam for marrying a 9 year old girl 1400 hundred years ago while in their own country NOT 1400 years ago but ONLY 100 years ago the age of consent for girls was as low as 10, hilarious indeed.
... American reformers were shocked to discover that the laws of most states set the age of consent at the age of ten or twelve, and in one state, Delaware, the age of consent was only seven.
The age of consent for heterosexual acts was set at 12 in 1275 and remained so for six centuries.
..In the talmud, girls were married off at the age of 3.
In one of the bibles, Joseph was 90 years old when he married 12 to 14-year old Mary
Salaams Sister, you got to watch out for many fake "alex"'s.

Our beloved mother Aisha (ra), upheld the great dignity of our Holy Prophet and his beloved companions especially Hazrat Abu Bakr (ra), the first caliph of Islam and the Father of Mother Aisha (ra)

There is GREAT WISDOM behind the marriage.

1. Mother Aisha (ra) was probably closer to the Holy Prophet than others and outlived the main Caliphs who passed away by 661AD. She was alive until 678AD..

2. Rasoolullah (saw) knew that his time on earth was limited. His companions were also getting older except Hazrat Ali (ra).
Through mentoring, guiding and by giving the best of theoretical and practical education to a very trusted younger person, he ensured that the message remained fresh, clean and clear for long enough for it to be established properly.
Mother Aisha (ra) was alive until 678AD after the Holy Prophet passed away in 632AD. That was another 42 years of keeping the message alive. We can see the results today!

Mother Aisha (ra) is known as "ummul-muminun," -“the mother of the believers” and as the daughter of Hazrat Abu Bakr (ra), she is known by the title of "as-Siddiqa" -“the devoted/ affirmer of truth”.
With her superior qualities, such as intelligence, her powerful faith, wise speech and profound understanding of the Qur’an and our Prophet (saw), all bestowed on her by Allah, she is an exemplary Muslim for all believers.

She played a key role in the emergence of Islam, and took active role in social reform of the Islamic culture.Not only was she VERY supportive of our Prophet, but she added scholarly intelligence to the development of Islam.
Mother Aisha (ra) was known for her "expertise in the Qur'an, shares of inheritance, lawful and unlawful matters, poetry, Arabic literature, Arab history, genealogy, and general medicine.". Her intelligence and contributions regarding the verbal texts of Islam were in time transcribed into written form, becoming the official history of Islam. After the death of our Prophet, she was ascribed as the most reliable source in matters concerning Quran and Sunnah.
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#170836 Apr 6, 2013
Robert Laity wrote:
<quoted text>Jesus IS GOD. Allah is a false god referred to as "god of the moon".
Mr Laity!
If Jesus the Jewish man is your god, you must thank every person who helped "kill" him to save you.

When did Jesus say "I AM YOUR GOD WHO HAS COME TO EARTH AS MY OWN SON TO DIE ON A ROMAN CROSS FOR SINS OF GENTILES"?

You have LIED twice... allow me to correct you..
1. Jesus is NOT God.
2. Allah is God.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#170837 Apr 6, 2013
bmz wrote:
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The instruction came from G-d, Rabbee. It is in TheTorah.
It is not about lineage. It is about following Abraham, who was greater than Jesus and many others.
rabbee: it is only meant for, the Evareem Direct Linage of Avraham recognition. it is not meant, for every tom dick and harry who feels like it. it is not a good idea, to do this. unless you can actually trace your linage, back to Avraham. otherwise it is bearing false wittness, for the sake of critter vanity.

i can trace my linage forward to Avraham, not actually back to it. Yeshooah Adam's Linage, can only be traced directly to G-D, and not to Avraham. Adam has no actual, Mother and Father on earth. and only HisSurrogate Mother's Linage, can be traced back to Avraham. and Adam always arrives, by Surrogate Virgin Mother birth to this world. G-D has always brought Adam, into this world the exact same way. it shall never change, here in TheTorah from G-D.

and i still do not appreciate, the name jesus for both adam and his mate. it is also bearing false, not here in TheTorah talking critter wittness. that fake name for Adam, is causing all kind problems of false wittness confusion. we are all physically here, in TheTorah from G-D again. as we have never physically been in, any other story from other g-ds.

we are not in any other kind, of new testament tanach. we are all here, in TheTorah Happening from HaShem G-D just again. TheTorah which began with the deluvian, and should we not make it to GanEden here in TheTorah. shall also end with the deluvian, to beguin again.

if you use any other testament, except TheTorah. then you are being decieved, by some other errant new testament of alleged as men.
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#170838 Apr 6, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>First you have to be truthful, and acknowledge that your Allah God is not the God of Israel.
OK!!!!!!!!!!

Do us all a small favour.
Do you worship the God of Israel?
Technically L-rd G-d of Jews has been referred to by that name.
Why don't you join them in the worship of their God instead of worshipping a naked pagan satan oozing off a phallic pole seducing you to bite his flesh and such his bloody juices?

If you join the Jews in synagogues in the worship of their G-d, I shall take my hat off to you and leave you well alone!

Deal?
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#170839 Apr 6, 2013
bmz wrote:
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Thank you, Rabbee
rabbee: well thank HaShem G-D, for commanding me to finally start only telling the truth. otherwise you have no idea, of how good of a liar i could be. so if i am finally, telling TheTruth. blame it all on G-D, for doing this to me again.
Mahmood

Schomberg, Canada

#170840 Apr 6, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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But isn't Muhammad a prophet of god? And as such shouldn't he be an example for mankind to which each of us has to follow, not matter what age he lived at? If the others did something wrong, what sense does it make that even the prophet of god, the called perfect man make the same mistakes?
What kind of example for mankind is a man of over 50 years old to marry a six years old baby and have sex with her when she turned to 9. Muhammad was obviously a pedophile, and Allah, the god was pleased of that.
When I think of it, I really laugh and at the same time I am disgusted about your prophet and his god and to all Muslims who run to defend a pedophile, especially if the lawyer is a girl/woman, like your case.
If Islamic history (written by Muslims) is believable, Mohammad did some terrible things as a warlord that he was. Not only that, he vaunts some those dastardly deeds in the Koran, such as killing, enslaving, and burning property.

33:26 - And He brought those of the People of the Scripture who supported them down from their strongholds, and cast panic into their hearts. Some ye slew, and ye made captive some.

Regarding burning and destroying property, read Sura 59.
Mahmood

Schomberg, Canada

#170841 Apr 6, 2013
ana wrote:
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Out of context, you can't pick and mix sections of the Quran you need to understand it and what it is referring to, for example 8:12
This verse and the verses before and after were revealed about the Battle of Badr, which occurred in Arabia in the early seventh century. A battle in which the pagans of Makkah traveled more than 200 miles to Madinah with an army of about 1000 to destroy Muslims. Prophet Muhammad peace be on him and fellow Muslims had suffered severe persecutions and torture for 13 years in the city of Makkah. And now that they had fled Makkah and found a sanctuary in the city of Madinah, they were once again threatened. The Muslim Army was only about 300 strong. God Almighty gave the order to Muslims to fight to defend their lives and faith. The enemy came to them with the intent to kill Muslims. It was a war to defend themselves and their Faith. It was a war imposed upon Muslims.
This Surah / section of the Quran is speaking about this as above
All that you have quoted are taken out of context of the exact meaning, you can't just take extracts like that you need to understand what it relates to as a whole ... What is written before and after
Really I wouldn't practise a religion which encouraged violence....
Stop being ignorant
Contextualizing as verse is a human endeavour posited by Islamic scholars centuries after the fact - its all guess work. Nowhere in the first 15 verses of the Sura 8 is Badr mentioned, therefore we can never be sure in what context the verse applies.
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#170842 Apr 6, 2013
bmz wrote:
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According to Christianity, Jesus died a Sinner.
Yes true, and using their curious logic he continues to be a Sinner by diverting worship away from GOD to him! lol..

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#170843 Apr 6, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
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If Islamic history (written by Muslims) is believable, Mohammad did some terrible things as a warlord that he was. Not only that, he vaunts some those dastardly deeds in the Koran, such as killing, enslaving, and burning property.
33:26 - And He brought those of the People of the Scripture who supported them down from their strongholds, and cast panic into their hearts. Some ye slew, and ye made captive some.
Regarding burning and destroying property, read Sura 59.
I don't take for good 100% of what the Muslims have written by Muhammad, but I guess much of it is trustable. If Muhammad was a pious man, as Muslims believe, you would have seen or read that all actions made by him were peaceful, like say the Nazarene. If Muslims wrote about Muhammad like that most likely because he was a very evil person, and apparently Allah was pleased by that behaviour, also because Allah appear to be another evil entity.

As for sura 59 I found only this which is the second verse.

It is He who expelled the ones who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture from their homes at the first gathering. You did not think they would leave, and they thought that their fortresses would protect them from Allah ; but [the decree of] Allah came upon them from where they had not expected, and He cast terror into their hearts [so] they destroyed their houses by their [own] hands and the hands of the believers. So take warning, O people of vision.

It doesn't explicity tell or involve Muhammad. Thus he may have partecipated to destroy houses, or given the command to, or was there to watch, letting his soldiers doing what they wanted to.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#170845 Apr 6, 2013
Alex123 WM wrote:
<quoted text>
OK!!!!!!!!!!
Do us all a small favour.
Do you worship the God of Israel?
Technically L-rd G-d of Jews has been referred to by that name.
Why don't you join them in the worship of their God instead of worshipping a naked pagan satan oozing off a phallic pole seducing you to bite his flesh and such his bloody juices?
If you join the Jews in synagogues in the worship of their G-d, I shall take my hat off to you and leave you well alone!
Deal?
Me too, bro
bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#170846 Apr 6, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
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Contextualizing as verse is a human endeavour posited by Islamic scholars centuries after the fact - its all guess work. Nowhere in the first 15 verses of the Sura 8 is Badr mentioned, therefore we can never be sure in what context the verse applies.
Yes, you are right in saying that you can never be sure because you have not really read Qur'aan at all. Any one, who reads Qur'aan can understand easily that it talks about Badr.

Ana was right. Surah 8 Al-Anfaal talks about events at Badr and it was revealed after the battle of Badr.

Regarding the name Badr, it is mentioned in Surah 3 Ale-Imraan, verse 123
bmz

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#170847 Apr 6, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: well don't care if you all give adam and his mate a fake name. it still won't prevent, TheG-D of TheTorah. from putting Them in charge, for the final day again. but at the rate of your, fake name disguised insults. i am not sure you shall live long enough, to see this happening again in TheTorah. especially since it disproves, everything muhammed said about me and G-D here in TheTorah again.
so if any of your other g-ds, does not meet TheStandard of G-D actually here in TheTorah. then may i suggest, your being not here in TheTorah conned again. and as long as we refuse to make it to GanEden, TheTorah always ends and beguins with TheFlood. just because you all do not believe, TheG-D of TheTorah can do it all over again.
No, Rabbee. I will never give Adam and his mate, fake names. I will never call them Jesus and mary Magdalene. Promise.

Shalom

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