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#166600 Mar 9, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Muslims treatment of Jews has been blameless and they have NOTHING to apologise for.
It were Muslims who gave them shelters when they ran from the atrocities of their "Christian friends".
Why should we apologise for "non committed crimes"
The 1066 Granada massacre took place on 30 December 1066 (9 Tevet 4827) when a Muslim mob stormed the royal palace in Granada, which was at that time in Muslim-ruled al-Andalus, assassinated the Jewish vizier Joseph ibn Naghrela and massacred many of the Berber Jewish population of the city.[1][2]

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#166601 Mar 9, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Quran NEVER uses the word Bible!!
It speaks of Torah, the revelation which was given to Prophet Moses, PBUH.
It speaks of ZABUR, the revelation which was given to Prophet David, PBUH
It speaks of of Injeel, the revelation which was given to Prophet Jesus, PBUH.
It speaks of the revelation which was given by God to other prophets of Jews.
But it NEVER speaks about Bible.
Torah is NOT the first five books of Holy Bible.
Injeel is NOT the four Gospels.
And ZABUR is not the current book of Psalms!!
First learn about Quranic terminology before opening your mouth.
The Qur'anic View of the Jewish and Christian Scripture

1/ The Qur'an teaches that all scripture should be respected in the same way:

O ye who believe! Believe in Allah and His Apostle, and the scripture which He hath sent to His Apostle and the scripture which He sent to those before (him). Any who denieth Allah, His Angels, His Books, His Apostles, and the Day of Judgement, hath gone far, far astray (4:136 AYA).

We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the Prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them (3:84 AYA).

2/ The Torah that was given to Moses, and the Gospel that was given to Jesus, are the scriptures that the Jews and Christians now possess:

Those who follow the Messenger (Mohammed), the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them (7:157 MP).

And when there cometh unto them (Jews) a Scripture (the Qur'an) from Allah, confirming that in their possession (2:89 MP).

Thus, the Qur'an is not referring to scripture that Jews and Christians use to possess in the past, but now are lost. Rather, the Torah given to Moses, and the Gospel given to Jesus, is the scripture that is with them (the Christians and Jews) and in their possession at the time of Muhammad.

3/ The Qur'an teaches that it confirms and explains more fully the previous scripture:

This Koran is not such as can be produced by other than Allah; on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book (10:37 AYA/38 MP).

Thus, the Qur'an sees itself as the guardian of the message of all scripture: To thee We sent the scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety (5:48 MP/51 AYA).

4/ Does the Qur'an teach that it abrogates the Jewish and Christian scripture? Some may point to 2:106 to say it does.

None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar (2:106, AYA)

However, it is unlikely that this verse is referring to the Christian and Jewish scripture, for just five verses after 2:106 the Qur'an asks Christians and Jews to bring your proof (2:111) from their scriptures. This would be an irrelevant and contradictory command if it had just taught that their scripture was abrogated. In fact, just thirty verses after 2:106 the Qur'an says that it makes no distinction between (2:136) itself and any of the former scripture. Al-Bukhari records that 2:106 refers to abrogation within the Qur'an itself:

Narrated Ibn Abbas: Umar said, "Ubai was the best of us in the recitation (of the Qur'an) yet we leave (out) some of what he recites". Ubai says, "I have taken it from the mouth of Allah's Apostle and will not leave for anything whatever". But Allah said: "None of our revelations do we abrogate or cause to be forgotten but We substitute something better or similar" (Qur'an 2:106).(Bukhari: vol. 6, hadith 527, p. 489; book 61)

Sura 16:101 also shows that this abrogation has to do with the content of the Qur'an and not the scripture of the Jews and Christians.

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#166602 Mar 9, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Quran NEVER uses the word Bible!!
And when We exchange a verse in the place of another verse - and God knows very well what he is sending down - they say (to Muhammad), "Thou art a mere forger!" (16:101, Arberry)

5/A very important section of the Qur'an which deals with the scripture of the Jews and Christians and their relation to the Qur'an is Surah 5:43-49. These verses record how Jews came to Muhummad to ask him for a decision, and it tells the answer he was to give them.

How come they (come) unto thee (Muhammad) for judgment when they have the Torah, wherein Allah hath delivered judgment (for them)?... Lo! We did reveal the Torah, wherein is guidance and a light ... And We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow in their footsteps, confirming that which was (revealed) before him in the Torah, and We bestowed on him the Gospel wherein is guidance and a light, confirming that which was (revealed) before it in the Torah - a guidance and an admonition unto those who ward off (evil). Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are evil-livers.

And unto thee (Muslims) have We revealed the Scripture (the Qur'an) with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over it. So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires away from the truth which hath come unto thee. For each We have appointed a divine law and a traced-out way. Had Allah willed He could have made you one community. But that He may try you by that which He hath given you (He hath made you as ye are). So vie one with another in good works. Unto Allah ye will all return, and He will then inform you of that wherein ye differ.(5:43-48, MP)

The key sentence from the above is, For each We have appointed a divine law and a traced-out way. This verse is teaching that the different religious groups (Jews, Christians and Muslims), have each been given a divine law (Torah, Gospel and Qur'an) and that each group is to make their decisions based upon what they have been given.

Thus the Qur'an encourages Jews to judge by the Torah:

How come they (come) unto thee (Muhammad) for judgment when they have the Torah, wherein Allah hath delivered judgment (for them)?(5:43, MP)

And the Qur'an urges Christians to judge by the Gospel:

Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are evil-livers.(5:47, MP)

And it encourages Muslims to judge by the Qur'an:

And unto thee (Muslims) have We revealed the Scripture (the Qur'an) with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over it. So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed.(5:48, MP)

Again, we see that the Qur'an refers to the scriptures of the Christians and Jews as God's reliable word. Jews and Christians are commanded to consult their scriptures when desiring to know God's will. The Qur'an therefore considers these scriptures to be reliable. Surah 5:43-48 also shows that the Qur'an is not claiming to abrogate (replace) the Gospel and Torah but is a parallel revelation to them.

6/ Say: "O People of the Book! Ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord" (5:71 AYA/68 MP). How can the Jew or Christian, stand fast by the Law and the Gospel, if the Law and the Gospel have been corrupted or abrogated? Again, the assumption of the Qur'an is that the scriptures that the Christians and Jews have is the reliable word of God.

7/ In the following verse the Books of Moses are referred to as being a reliable source of God's warning: Nay, is he not acquainted with what is in the books of Moses (53:36 AYA). Thus, there is no excuse for the one who ignores it.
MUQ

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#166603 Mar 9, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>
The Qur'anic View of the Jewish and Christian Scripture
1/ The Qur'an teaches that all scripture should be respected in the same way:
O ye who believe! Believe in Allah and His Apostle, and the scripture which He hath sent to His Apostle and the scripture which He sent to those before (him). Any who denieth Allah, His Angels, His Books, His Apostles, and the Day of Judgement, hath gone far, far astray (4:136 AYA).
We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the Prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them (3:84 AYA).
2/ The Torah that was given to Moses, and the Gospel that was given to Jesus, are the scriptures that the Jews and Christians now possess:

..

..
Irrespective of how you try to arrange them, you cannot find Bible in Quran and not the Four Gospels as Injeel that was given to Jesus.

It was nice attempt to teach us Quran, never the less!!

We respect the earlier scriptures , I wish the same you do for the Last and Final revelation that came to mankind, the Quran!!

And it is "very pleasing" to see that you use Quran to justify your books and then call our prophet as some one who was a false prophet and picked bits and pieces from Bible to form his Quran!!

Another word for such type of arguments is "having your cake and eating it too"!!

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#166604 Mar 9, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Quran NEVER uses the word Bible!!
The Quran talks about the Scripture in the Bible.

7/ In the following verse the Books of Moses are referred to as being a reliable source of God's warning: Nay, is he not acquainted with what is in the books of Moses (53:36 AYA). Thus, there is no excuse for the one who ignores it.

8/ A Muslim is instructed, when arguing with a Jew about clean/halal food, to ask the Jew to bring his proof from the Law of Moses. Say: "Bring ye the Law and study it, if ye be men of truth" (3:93 AYA). How can he bring the Law and study it to determine the truth if it has been corrupted or abrogated? This scripture must be reliable to make such a command. The same assumption is also seen in the following verse: And they say: "None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian." Those are their (vain) desires. Say: "Produce your proof if ye are truthful" (2:111 AYA).

9/ In the following verses we see Jews and Christians are urged to teach the truth of their scriptures and to obey them: Say: "O People of the Scripture! Stress not in your religion other than the truth" (5:77 MP/80 AYA). Do ye enjoin right conduct on the people, and forget (to practice it) yourselves, and yet ye study the Scripture?(2:44 AYA). Christians and Jews could not teach and obey their scriptures if their scriptures were corrupted.

10/ The scripture from before the time of Muhammad was to be consulted by either Muhammad or his Arab contemporaries if they were in doubt about the message that had been given to Muhammad: If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee (10:94 AYA/95 MP). Thus this earlier scripture must have been preserved to make such a request.

11/ Here the former scriptures of the Jews and Christians are appealed to to prove that Muhammad is an authentic prophet.

Those who follow the Messenger (Mohammed), the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them (7:157 MP).

They say: "If only he would bring us a miracle from his Lord!" Hath there not come unto them the proof of what is in the former scriptures?(20:133 MP).

And lo, it is in the scriptures from the men of old. Is it not a token for them that the (religious) doctors of the Children of Israel know it?(26:196-197 MP).

How can these scriptures be appealed to, to prove Muhammad is genuine, if they have been corrupted? The Qur'an must view these scriptures as reliable to make such a request.

All that is in the Muslim books.
It shows that the claim the Bible is corrupted by Muslims is a falsehood MUQ.

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#166605 Mar 9, 2013
Muslims make false claims and then claim their falsehoods are truth.

bmz

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#166606 Mar 9, 2013
Shamma wrote:
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1. The injeel is the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Jesus Was Given the Injeel
"And in their footsteps We sent Jesus, the Son of Mary, confirming the law that had come before him. We gave him the Gospel, therein was guidance and light and confirmation of the law that had come before him, a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah." 5/46.
"I am indeed a servant of Allah, He gave me the Book and made me a prophet." 19/32
Jesus Was Taught the Injeel
"Then Allah says, "O Jesus, the son of Mary! Recount My favour on you and your mother, when I strengthened you with the angel Gabrael so that you speak to the people in childhood and maturity, and when I taught you the book and wisdom and Torah and Injeel." 5/110.
"He (Jesus) said, "Verily, I am a worshipper of Allah. He has given me the Book and made me a Prophet." 19/32.
"Allah will teach him the book and wisdom, the Torah and the Injeel." 3/48.
"In there footsteps We sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the Torah that had come before him, We sent him the Injeel, therein was guidance and light and confirmation of the Torah that had come before him. A guidance and an admonition." 5/46.

2. Whether Jews agree or don't agree with Christians books is irrelevant.
For God is the Author of the books.
Injeel means the wisdom and knowledge to reason granted to Jesus by Allah, the LORD Almighty of the Heavens and all.

One can find a little bit of that in Matthew 5-7 and some parables, which the Church and her notorious writers could not change. The rest of the stuff in the gospels is junk written by men.

Jews do matter because Christianity stole their Scripture, forged and corrupted it and came with a dirty and an improper name 'the Old Testament'.

If there were a mention of a son of God coming as a messiah to suffer, die and get up again, they would have known 2,000 years before the arrival of Jesus.

You do not have any revealed Scripture as Jesus was not given any. He came with nothing new, brought nothing new and gave nothing new. The New Testament is not a revealed Scripture. It is just a collection of 2nd hand tales and personal letters.

Also, if there were any triune God, they would have known it long before.

So, the Jews are Accredited Checkers No:1 and we are Accredited Checkers No:2 and both concur that the Christian Bible is a huge fraud.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#166607 Mar 10, 2013
Shamma wrote:
Pedophilia in the Qur'an

Main article: Pedophilia in the Qur'an

The Qur'an permits pedophilia. The following Qur'anic verse allows sex with pre-pubescent girls who have not yet menstruated.

And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair.

Qur'an 65:4

What is being discussed is the Iddat (&#1575;&#1604;&#1 593;&#1583;&#1577; &#8206;), which is a waiting period a female must observe before she can remarry. According to this verse, the stipulated waiting period for a divorced girl who has not yet menstruated is three months.
Muhammad Fits the Clinical Definition of a Pedophile
The difference between you and us is that we can explain Qur'aan and defend it, while you clueless ignorant fools cannot even defend the pile of loose Horse Shit in your Bible.

Let me rub dung in your face now, as the good Lord suggested through Malachi.

You quoted the following verse:

"And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair. "

What is the word written in there? The word is 'women', not children or babies, ignorant fool!

The Surah 65 is on Divorce and starts as: "When you divorce your women....."

It does not say, "When you divorce little children......"

The rotten to bone marrow Christian evangelists and polemicists do this kind of rubbish, even without reading and understanding.

The surah deals with the following cases, which I am writing as if a 3rd Grader would be reading:

1. Wife is very old. Has no more periods/menstruation, meaning has attained menopause. In her case, there is no need to wait as she cannot conceive.

2. Wife is older but hasn't reached her menopause and one is not sure. She might conceive. So a waiting period has to be observed.

3. Wife is young. Must wait for her next period before divorcing her.

Jesus, unfortunately was so busy in Tu Quoque exchanges with the Jews that he did not have time to explain anything on the social matters.

Also, Jesus was not consulted by the public on social and civil issues as the people contacted Rabbis.

Muhammad was asked questions and he explained.

bmz

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Singapore

#166608 Mar 10, 2013
Shamma wrote:
Muslims make false claims and then claim their falsehoods are truth.
No, not at all.

Who has come up with the following falsehoods and absurdities?

Jesus is the son of God. Jesus is God in flesh or Jesus is God in person.

Jesus is God. Jesus is the Father. Jesus is the God of Israel.

God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

And all other bull shit?

Christians. Right?

Do you see Muslims making any such silly, idiotic, dumb and absurd claims such as the ones mentioned above?

Nay! It is Christianity that has come up with falsehoods.

Christianity can no longer fool the literate folks anymore. Her demise is imminent.

bmz

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Singapore

#166609 Mar 10, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>You are a loser, and have no shame of bring an ignorant fool.
You are the exhibit of the re-incarnation of Muhammad.
A man who claimed himself to be God.
Incarnation and re-incarnation have no place in Islam. Both terms are bullshit!

The only man, who is reported to have claimed that he was God, was the biblical fool Jesus.

Muhammad never made any foolish and absurd statements like Jesus.

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#166610 Mar 10, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Injeel means the wisdom and knowledge to reason granted to Jesus by Allah, the LORD Almighty of the Heavens and all.
One can find a little bit of that in Matthew 5-7 and some parables, which the Church and her notorious writers could not change. The rest of the stuff in the gospels is junk written by men.
Jews do matter because Christianity stole their Scripture, forged and corrupted it and came with a dirty and an improper name 'the Old Testament'.
If there were a mention of a son of God coming as a messiah to suffer, die and get up again, they would have known 2,000 years before the arrival of Jesus.
You do not have any revealed Scripture as Jesus was not given any. He came with nothing new, brought nothing new and gave nothing new. The New Testament is not a revealed Scripture. It is just a collection of 2nd hand tales and personal letters.
Also, if there were any triune God, they would have known it long before.
So, the Jews are Accredited Checkers No:1 and we are Accredited Checkers No:2 and both concur that the Christian Bible is a huge fraud.
Your interpretation is wrong.
There are over 300 prophecy that Jesus fulfilled in the OT.
Just because Muslims and Jews ignore them does not prove you are or the Jews are right.
Beside the scripture in the Quran are false hoods.
And Muhammad was not a prophet of God of the Holy Bible of God.
All your post turn out to be falsehoods.
I just posted about the scripture in the Quran and you deny that what the Quran says in it is true.
You have to keep telling lies to back up your lies.
Jesus is the Son of God, and the scripture in the Quran that denies Jesus is the Son of God has proven to be a FALSE HOOD.

All scripture has been thoroughly investigated by thousands of reparable scholars and the Quran has shown it does not past the test to be considered Scripture revealed by God to Muhammad.

Muhammad's moral behavior does not past the moral test to be a prophet of the God of Gods Holy Bible.


bmz

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#166611 Mar 10, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Your interpretation is wrong.
There are over 300 prophecy that Jesus fulfilled in the OT.
Just because Muslims and Jews ignore them does not prove you are or the Jews are right.
Beside the scripture in the Quran are false hoods.
And Muhammad was not a prophet of God of the Holy Bible of God.
All your post turn out to be falsehoods.
I just posted about the scripture in the Quran and you deny that what the Quran says in it is true.
You have to keep telling lies to back up your lies.
Jesus is the Son of God, and the scripture in the Quran that denies Jesus is the Son of God has proven to be a FALSE HOOD.
All scripture has been thoroughly investigated by thousands of reparable scholars and the Quran has shown it does not past the test to be considered Scripture revealed by God to Muhammad.
Muhammad's moral behavior does not past the moral test to be a prophet of the God of Gods Holy Bible.
jesus fulfilled nothing!

Read this:

Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah because:

Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.

Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.

Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations.

Jewish belief is based on national revelation.

But first, some background: What exactly is the Messiah?

The word "Messiah" is an English rendering of the Hebrew word Mashiach, which means "anointed." It usually refers to a person initiated into God's service by being anointed with oil.(Exodus 29:7, 1-Kings 1:39, 2-Kings 9:3)

1. Jesus Did Not Fulfill the Messianic Prophecies

What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? One of the central themes of biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God.(Isaiah 2:1-4, 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34)

Specifically, the Bible says he will:

Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).

Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world &#8213; on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).

If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be the Messiah.
Because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible's description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah. All past Messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazareth, Bar Cochba and Shabbtai Tzvi have been rejected.

Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming. Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright; in the Bible no concept of a second coming exists.

And continue reading at:

http://www.aish.com/jw/s/48892792.html

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#166612 Mar 10, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Incarnation and re-incarnation have no place in Islam. Both terms are bullshit!
The only man, who is reported to have claimed that he was God, was the biblical fool Jesus.
Muhammad never made any foolish and absurd statements like Jesus.
Maybe they don't, but you demonstrate you qualify as the re-incarnation of Muhammad.

But Muhammad took control of the Muslims as if he himself is God.
And Muslims today try to enforce Muhammad's Will on non-Muslims.
uhuh

Spain

#166613 Mar 10, 2013
jews must recite their daily prayers in Hebrew, the language of their scripture
muslims must recite their daily prayers in Arabic, the language of their scripture

christians too should recite their daily prayers in Greek, the language of their "scripture"
uhuh

Spain

#166614 Mar 10, 2013
Shamma wrote:
The 1066 Granada massacre took place on 30 December 1066 (9 Tevet 4827) when a Muslim mob stormed the royal palace in Granada, which was at that time in Muslim-ruled al-Andalus, assassinated the Jewish vizier Joseph ibn Naghrela and massacred many of the Berber Jewish population of the city.[1][2]
also from your source (wiki),

"..massacres such as that in Granada in 1066 are of rare occurrence in Islamic history."

bmz

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Singapore

#166615 Mar 10, 2013
uhuh wrote:
jews must recite their daily prayers in Hebrew, the language of their scripture
muslims must recite their daily prayers in Arabic, the language of their scripture

christians too should recite their daily prayers in Greek, the language of their "scripture"
LOL!

They can't and the tragic part is that they can't even pray in the native language of Jesus.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#166616 Mar 10, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe they don't, but you demonstrate you qualify as the re-incarnation of Muhammad.
But Muhammad took control of the Muslims as if he himself is God.
And Muslims today try to enforce Muhammad's Will on non-Muslims.
No.

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#166617 Mar 10, 2013
uhuh wrote:
<quoted text>
also from your source (wiki),
"..massacres such as that in Granada in 1066 are of rare occurrence in Islamic history."
In 1656, all Jews were expelled from Isfahan because of the common belief of their impurity and forced to convert to Islam. However, as it became known that the converts continued to practice Judaism in secret and because the treasury suffered from the loss of jizya collected from the Jews, in 1661 they were allowed to revert to Judaism, but were still required to wear a distinctive patch upon their clothings.[24]

Confined to city quarters, the Bukharan Jews were denied basic rights and many were forced to convert to Islam. They had to wear black and yellow dress to distinguish themselves from the Muslims.[25]

Under the Zaydi rule, the Yemenite Jews were considered to be impure, and therefore forbidden to touch a Muslim or a Muslim's food. They were obligated to humble themselves before a Muslim, to walk to the left side, and greet him first. They could not build houses higher than a Muslim's or ride a camel or horse, and when riding on a mule or a donkey, they had to sit sideways. Upon entering the Muslim quarter a Jew had to take off his foot-gear and walk barefoot. If attacked with stones or fists by Islamic youth, a Jew was not allowed to defend himself. In such situations he had the option of fleeing or seeking intervention by a merciful Muslim passerby.[26]

[edit] 19th century

Photochrom of Jews in Jerusalem, in the 1890s.
In 1834, in Safed local Muslim Arabs carried out a massacre of the indigenous (Old Yishuv) Jewish population of that city in the Safed Plunder.

In 1839, in the eastern Persian city of Meshed, a mob burst into the Jewish Quarter, burned the synagogue, and destroyed the Torah scrolls. It was only by forcible conversion that a massacre was averted.[27] There was another massacre in Barfurush in 1867.[28][29] In 1839, the Allahdad incident, the Jews of Mashhad, Iran, now known as the Mashhadi Jews, were coerced into converting to Islam.[30]

In the middle of the 19th century, J. J. Benjamin wrote about the life of Persian Jews:

"…they are obliged to live in a separate part of town…; for they are considered as unclean creatures… Under the pretext of their being unclean, they are treated with the greatest severity and should they enter a street, inhabited by Mussulmans, they are pelted by the boys and mobs with stones and dirt… For the same reason, they are prohibited to go out when it rains; for it is said the rain would wash dirt off them, which would sully the feet of the Mussulmans… If a Jew is recognized as such in the streets, he is subjected to the greatest insults. The passers-by spit in his face, and sometimes beat him… unmercifully… If a Jew enters a shop for anything, he is forbidden to inspect the goods… Should his hand incautiously touch the goods, he must take them at any price the seller chooses to ask for them... Sometimes the Persians intrude into the dwellings of the Jews and take possession of whatever please them. Should the owner make the least opposition in defense of his property, he incurs the danger of atoning for it with his life... If... a Jew shows himself in the street during the three days of the Katel (Muharram)…, he is sure to be murdered."[31]

The list gets bigger as one searches history of Muslims treatment towards Jews..

“DC Police Complaint #T14002751”

Since: Nov 08

Swift Water,NY

#166618 Mar 10, 2013
uhuh wrote:
jews must recite their daily prayers in Hebrew, the language of their scripture
muslims must recite their daily prayers in Arabic, the language of their scripture
christians too should recite their daily prayers in Greek, the language of their "scripture"
Pray in Greek if you want. No one is stopping you.

“DC Police Complaint #T14002751”

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Swift Water,NY

#166619 Mar 10, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!
They can't and the tragic part is that they can't even pray in the native language of Jesus.
Maybe YOU can't. Doesn't mean no Christian can.
Can YOU pray in Latin?

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Satanists Unveil Design for Statehouse Statue (Jan '14) 20 hr Big Log 17
torn sash Sun Wanderinsoul 1
Why Atheism Will Replace Religion (Aug '12) Dec 10 God worships Sin ... 14,477
Student expelled for casting a spell (Jan '14) Nov 22 Stay6c 6
Is reincarnation real?? (Feb '11) Nov '14 holysupremacy 70
Looking to correspond with Pagan's Nov '14 GordonM 1
drawing with pen Nov '14 scribbles 1
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