Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 225866 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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#165924 Mar 3, 2013
Eric wrote:
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Yada Yada Yada. Commonly known as Bubby meise. I base my beliefs not upon Bubby meise but upon the Tanakh. With all of your cut and paste to attempt to prove 3 heavens, there is but one reference to the Tanakh to support your premise--Psalm 115. And, it has been shown--not only by my reference to the Hebrew but also to the fact that only versions of the Christian Bible agree with me--that your translation is faulty. Therefore, you haven't proven your premise.
You cannot even read it in English let alone in Hebrew.
Here is the Jewish names for heaven.
Read it, get familiar with the Hebrew words for the many heavens.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven_in_Judais...

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#165925 Mar 3, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
Yada Yada Yada. Commonly known as Bubby meise. I base my beliefs not upon Bubby meise but upon the Tanakh. With all of your cut and paste to attempt to prove 3 heavens, there is but one reference to the Tanakh to support your premise--Psalm 115. And, it has been shown--not only by my reference to the Hebrew but also to the fact that only versions of the Christian Bible agree with me--that your translation is faulty. Therefore, you haven't proven your premise.
You don't even know what you are talking about.
Are there more than one heaven?
That is the point.
Prove to me the Tanakh says there is only one heaven.
That is the basis of your argument now prove it?

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#165926 Mar 3, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
Yada Yada Yada. Commonly known as Bubby meise. I base my beliefs not upon Bubby meise but upon the Tanakh. With all of your cut and paste to attempt to prove 3 heavens, there is but one reference to the Tanakh to support your premise--Psalm 115. And, it has been shown--not only by my reference to the Hebrew but also to the fact that only versions of the Christian Bible agree with me--that your translation is faulty. Therefore, you haven't proven your premise.
Psalm 115
The highest heavens belong to the Lord,
but the earth he has given to mankind.
17 It is not the dead who praise the Lord,
those who go down to the place of silence;
18 it is we who extol the Lord,
both now and forevermore.

The word Eric in psalm 115 is "heavens"

You have to keep the words heaven and heavens in context to the whole psalm.

The psalmist is talking about two different parts of the universe.
You put your hoot in your mouth Eric, now eat it.

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#165927 Mar 3, 2013
Correction-You put your foot in your mouth Eric, now eat it!

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#165928 Mar 3, 2013
Psalm 115

1 Not to us, Lord, not to us
but to your name be the glory,
because of your love and faithfulness.


2 Why do the nations say,
“Where is their God?”
3 Our God is in heaven;
he does whatever pleases him.
4 But their idols are silver and gold,
made by human hands.
5 They have mouths, but cannot speak,
eyes, but cannot see.
6 They have ears, but cannot hear,
noses, but cannot smell.
7 They have hands, but cannot feel,
feet, but cannot walk,
nor can they utter a sound with their throats.
8 Those who make them will be like them,
and so will all who trust in them.


9 All you Israelites, trust in the Lord—
he is their help and shield.
10 House of Aaron, trust in the Lord—
he is their help and shield.
11 You who fear him, trust in the Lord—
he is their help and shield.


12 The Lord remembers us and will bless us:
He will bless his people Israel,
he will bless the house of Aaron,
13 he will bless those who fear the Lord—
small and great alike.


14 May the Lord cause you to flourish,
both you and your children.
15 May you be blessed by the Lord,
the Maker of heaven and earth.


16 The highest heavens belong to the Lord,
but the earth he has given to mankind.
17 It is not the dead who praise the Lord,
those who go down to the place of silence;
18 it is we who extol the Lord,
both now and forevermore.

Praise the Lord.[a]

bmz

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#165929 Mar 3, 2013
Shamma wrote:
Correction-You put your foot in your mouth Eric, now eat it!
And you always keep your head in your arse. Pull it out.

The problem with your Bibel is that the English translations came from the poor translations in Greek.

I have told you before that Greek is a very poor and an unfit language for scripture. It has made a complete mess of the Hebrew Scriptures.

The simple message is that everything belongs to God Almighty and dominion on earth was granted to man.

Through out Genesis, the word God is written as Elohim. And the ignorant fools, who founded Christianity fooled the masses by saying Elohim is plural only in "God said,'Let us make man....."
and that is rubbish.

So, please stop this silly 'singular and plural' of Christianity.

Thank God, the Scriptures were not revealed in Greek.

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#165931 Mar 3, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
And you always keep your head in your arse. Pull it out.
The problem with your Bibel is that the English translations came from the poor translations in Greek.
I have told you before that Greek is a very poor and an unfit language for scripture. It has made a complete mess of the Hebrew Scriptures.
The simple message is that everything belongs to God Almighty and dominion on earth was granted to man.
Through out Genesis, the word God is written as Elohim. And the ignorant fools, who founded Christianity fooled the masses by saying Elohim is plural only in "God said,'Let us make man....."
and that is rubbish.
So, please stop this silly 'singular and plural' of Christianity.
Thank God, the Scriptures were not revealed in Greek.
What are trying to say?
First of all the Jewish Scriptures were not invented by Christians.
Secondly The Jews wrote the Scriptures as presented to them from God.
Thirdly Christians accept those Jewish Scriptures as revelations coming from God.
So what is your problem with that?
Khan

Wichita, KS

#165932 Mar 3, 2013
Hammad wrote:
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bmz

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#165933 Mar 3, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>
What are trying to say?
First of all the Jewish Scriptures were not invented by Christians.
Secondly The Jews wrote the Scriptures as presented to them from God.
Thirdly Christians accept those Jewish Scriptures as revelations coming from God.
So what is your problem with that?
Read again and you will understand what your problem is:

And you always keep your head in your arse. Pull it out.

The problem with your Bible is that the English translations came from the poor translations in Greek.

I have told you before that Greek is a very poor and an unfit language for scripture. It has made a complete mess of the Hebrew Scriptures.

The simple message is that everything belongs to God Almighty and dominion on earth was granted to man.

Through out Genesis, the word God is written as Elohim. And the ignorant fools, who founded Christianity fooled the masses by saying Elohim is plural only in "God said,'Let us make man....."
and that is rubbish.

So, please stop this silly 'singular and plural' of Christianity.

Thank God, the Scriptures were not revealed in Greek.

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#165934 Mar 3, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Read again and you will understand what your problem is:
And you always keep your head in your arse. Pull it out.
The problem with your Bible is that the English translations came from the poor translations in Greek.
I have told you before that Greek is a very poor and an unfit language for scripture. It has made a complete mess of the Hebrew Scriptures.
The simple message is that everything belongs to God Almighty and dominion on earth was granted to man.
Through out Genesis, the word God is written as Elohim. And the ignorant fools, who founded Christianity fooled the masses by saying Elohim is plural only in "God said,'Let us make man....."
and that is rubbish.
So, please stop this silly 'singular and plural' of Christianity.
Thank God, the Scriptures were not revealed in Greek.
Your logic and reasoning is rubbish.
The Gospels came from the living history of Jesus.
The Followers of Jesus lived and practiced the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles before the Gospels were written.
The Gospels are the written account of the life of Jesus and His followers led.

The Gospels are not a written play book that people read and began to believe from.

What ever mistranslations are found have no bearing on the actual beliefs practiced by the believers in Jesus.
The Church was founded with out the written Gospels first.

So you are acting like an idiot in trying to prove that the Gospels were written first as a story book, then preached to convert people from the story book.

It did not happen that way.

It happened by the actual teaching of Jesus and the oral teachings of the Apostles.

bmz

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#165936 Mar 4, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Your logic and reasoning is rubbish.
The Gospels came from the living history of Jesus.
The Followers of Jesus lived and practiced the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles before the Gospels were written.
The Gospels are the written account of the life of Jesus and His followers led.
The Gospels are not a written play book that people read and began to believe from.
What ever mistranslations are found have no bearing on the actual beliefs practiced by the believers in Jesus.

The Church was founded with out the written Gospels first.

So you are acting like an idiot in trying to prove that the Gospels were written first as a story book, then preached to convert people from the story book.
It did not happen that way.
It happened by the actual teaching of Jesus and the oral teachings of the Apostles.
Please do not try to fool intelligent readers here.

The gospels, full of hocus pocus, came as 2nd hand to 10th hand information, which simply means based on hearsay reported.

The accounts are hopelessly absurd and are complete mishmash.

You wrote something great inadvertently to debunk the myth that the gospels were written early.

"The Church was founded with out the written Gospels first."

That the Church was founded without the gospels, clearly shows that these gospels were written very late, at the cue of the Church.

The disciples and the followers lived and practiced their lives as Jews. Read Acts to discover that.

The rest of your post is complete balderdash.

bmz

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Singapore

#165937 Mar 4, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>
What are trying to say?
First of all the Jewish Scriptures were not invented by Christians.
Secondly The Jews wrote the Scriptures as presented to them from God.
Thirdly Christians accept those Jewish Scriptures as revelations coming from God.
So what is your problem with that?
Read the translations of Jewish Holy Scriptures side by side with your Old Testament and discover a world of forgery in the Old Testament, cleverly distorted and forged by the men, who were inspired by the Church fathers.

The silent majority of the international readers can read and compare. They will see the fraud and forgeries in the Old Testament.

That is what I was tring to say. Got it?
Eric

Hoffman Estates, IL

#165938 Mar 4, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>You cannot even read it in English let alone in Hebrew.
Here is the Jewish names for heaven.
Read it, get familiar with the Hebrew words for the many heavens.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven_in_Judais...
I love it. You quote a source, that quotes a Christian source (Freitham, "Heaven"). And this Christian source says that:

"Shamayim the Hebrew word for "heaven", denotes a component of the cosmos (the other elements being the earth (erets) and the underworld (sheol)), THE DWELLING PLACE [SINGULAR] of God and other divine beings and, in post-Old Testament literature (including the New Testament), THE ABODE [SINGULAR] of the righteous dead."

EMPHASIS ADDED.

So, the Christian author says that the Jewish concept of Heaven is a singular concept that means G-d's realm and the realm of the righteous dead.
Eric

Hoffman Estates, IL

#165939 Mar 4, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Psalm 115
The highest heavens belong to the Lord,
but the earth he has given to mankind.
17 It is not the dead who praise the Lord,
those who go down to the place of silence;
18 it is we who extol the Lord,
both now and forevermore.
How many times do you have to be told that the translation is wrong. Please learn Hebrew.

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#165940 Mar 4, 2013
bmz wrote:
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Please do not try to fool intelligent readers here.
The gospels, full of hocus pocus, came as 2nd hand to 10th hand information, which simply means based on hearsay reported.
The accounts are hopelessly absurd and are complete mishmash.
You wrote something great inadvertently to debunk the myth that the gospels were written early.
"The Church was founded with out the written Gospels first."
That the Church was founded without the gospels, clearly shows that these gospels were written very late, at the cue of the Church.
The disciples and the followers lived and practiced their lives as Jews. Read Acts to discover that.
The rest of your post is complete balderdash.
You got the mind of an idiot.
You cannot accept truth.
It does mot matter that the Gospels were written later.
The churches were built as the church grew.
The evidence is that of the Epistles of Paul were sent to the Churches that already were built.

You are stupid!
Judaism and Christianity was the same religion in the beginning.
The majority of converts were Jews that believed that Jesus is the Messiah.
James was the Bishop of the synagogue in Jerusalem, Paul was the Bishop of the synagogue in Antioch, until those Jews that strictly
wanted all Jews to be circumcised Murdered James, then the Jews split and before the Temple was destroyed began to move to the further outskirts of the city and expanded and built Churches instead of synagogues.

The Jews that Followed Jesus were labeled as Christians, as followers of Jesus the Christ by the Jews that rejected Jesus.
The Jew followers of Jesus considered them self Jews.

And those Jews of today label them self Messianic Jews.
That is why the term Judao-Christian is still in use today.

You are ignorant of the facts of Christianity.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#165941 Mar 4, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>You cannot even read it in English let alone in Hebrew.
Here is the Jewish names for heaven.
Read it, get familiar with the Hebrew words for the many heavens.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven_in_Judais...
Learn the Hebrew so that this embarrassment will stop.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#165942 Mar 4, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>You are taking every thing out of context.
There is nothing misleading in my post.
I really don't want to insult your intelligence, but you are looking for an argument where there is no basis for one.
If you refute that the Bible reveals there is three separate heavens,
then prove your point and prove there is only one heaven.
I dont have to prove. I only have to offer the Hebrew.

You provided an English translation which provided more than one noun, but yet the verse repeated the same word shamayim. I translated that as heavens, Eric translated it as heaven. It doesnt matter which one of us is technically correct (I suspect Eric) because either way, it is the SAME word, not different word as you claimed.

Furthermore, you backed up your ideology with stories (midrash/kaballah) instead of primary text (tanakh), or what Eric would say bubbymeises (Grandma stories).

All of this nonsense could stop if you would just learn the Hebrew. Many Christians do. Many serious Christian scholars and leaders do.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#165943 Mar 4, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>
You got the mind of an idiot.
You cannot accept truth.
It does mot matter that the Gospels were written later.
The churches were built as the church grew.
The evidence is that of the Epistles of Paul were sent to the Churches that already were built.
You are stupid!
Judaism and Christianity was the same religion in the beginning.
The majority of converts were Jews that believed that Jesus is the Messiah.
James was the Bishop of the synagogue in Jerusalem, Paul was the Bishop of the synagogue in Antioch, until those Jews that strictly
wanted all Jews to be circumcised Murdered James, then the Jews split and before the Temple was destroyed began to move to the further outskirts of the city and expanded and built Churches instead of synagogues.
The Jews that Followed Jesus were labeled as Christians, as followers of Jesus the Christ by the Jews that rejected Jesus.
The Jew followers of Jesus considered them self Jews.
And those Jews of today label them self Messianic Jews.
That is why the term Judao-Christian is still in use today.
You are ignorant of the facts of Christianity.
There’s No Such Thing as Judeo-Christian Values

The label “Judeo-Christian” tends to assume, at the expense of Judaism, that Christians and Jews believe essentially the same things.

http://www.jewishpress.com/blogs/yoris-news-c...

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#165944 Mar 4, 2013
Eric wrote:
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How many times do you have to be told that the translation is wrong. Please learn Hebrew.
Stop your bull-shit Eric.
Read Psalm 115 the Jewish translation from Hebrew into English.

- Psalms - Chapter 115

1. Not for us, O Lord, not for us, but for Your name give honor, for Your kindness and for Your truthfulness.

Why should the nations say, "Where is your God now?"

3. But our God is in heaven; whatever He wishes, He does.

4. Their idols are silver and gold, the handiwork of man.

5. They have a mouth but they do not speak; they have eyes but they do not see.

6. They have ears but they do not hear; they have a nose but they do not smell.

7. Their hands-but they do not feel; their feet-but they do not walk; they do not murmur with their throat.

8. Like them shall be those who make them, all who trust in them.

9. Israel, trust in the Lord; He is their help and their shield.

10. House of Aaron, trust in the Lord; He is their help and their shield.

11. Those who fear the Lord, trust in the Lord; He is their help and their shield.

12. The Lord, Who remembered us, will bless; He will bless the house of Israel; He will bless the house of Aaron.

13. He will bless those who fear the Lord, the small together with the great.

14. May the Lord add upon you, upon you and upon your children.

15. Blessed are you to the Lord, the Maker of heaven and earth.

16. The heavens are heavens of the Lord, but the earth He gave to the children of men.

17. Neither will the dead praise God, nor all those who descend to the grave.

18. But we shall bless God from now until everlasting, Hallelujah!

Now show me where my translation is wrong?


3. one word- heaven.
16.More than one heaven- The heavens are heavens of the Lord.

What is your point now Eric?

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#165945 Mar 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Learn the Hebrew so that this embarrassment will stop.
If the Jews cannot read their own language in Hebrew why should I learn it?

Here read the translated version of Psalm 115 from Hebrew to English
as translated by the Jews them self.

- Psalms - Chapter 115

1. Not for us, O Lord, not for us, but for Your name give honor, for Your kindness and for Your truthfulness.

Why should the nations say, "Where is your God now?"

3. But our God is in heaven; whatever He wishes, He does.

4. Their idols are silver and gold, the handiwork of man.

5. They have a mouth but they do not speak; they have eyes but they do not see.

6. They have ears but they do not hear; they have a nose but they do not smell.

7. Their hands-but they do not feel; their feet-but they do not walk; they do not murmur with their throat.

8. Like them shall be those who make them, all who trust in them.

9. Israel, trust in the Lord; He is their help and their shield.

10. House of Aaron, trust in the Lord; He is their help and their shield.

11. Those who fear the Lord, trust in the Lord; He is their help and their shield.

12. The Lord, Who remembered us, will bless; He will bless the house of Israel; He will bless the house of Aaron.

13. He will bless those who fear the Lord, the small together with the great.

14. May the Lord add upon you, upon you and upon your children.

15. Blessed are you to the Lord, the Maker of heaven and earth.

16. The heavens are heavens of the Lord, but the earth He gave to the children of men.

17. Neither will the dead praise God, nor all those who descend to the grave.

18. But we shall bless God from now until everlasting, Hallelujah!

3. One word-heaven

16. meaning more than one heaven- The heavens are heavens of the Lord.

There are 7 heaven in the Hebrew language.
So if heavens are heavens of the Lord only means one heaven in that verses then there are not 7 heavens in the Jewish translations.
And Jews are screwed up.

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