Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 256359 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Brussels Journal.

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#165953 Mar 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I dont have to prove. I only have to offer the Hebrew.
You provided an English translation which provided more than one noun, but yet the verse repeated the same word shamayim. I translated that as heavens, Eric translated it as heaven. It doesnt matter which one of us is technically correct (I suspect Eric) because either way, it is the SAME word, not different word as you claimed.
Furthermore, you backed up your ideology with stories (midrash/kaballah) instead of primary text (tanakh), or what Eric would say bubbymeises (Grandma stories).
All of this nonsense could stop if you would just learn the Hebrew. Many Christians do. Many serious Christian scholars and leaders do.
The written Hebrew version does not show up when posted.
all you get ##########
So I post the English version only.

You are obsessed with the Hebrew language.
Just as the Muslims are obsessed with the language of Arabic.
And both Jews and Muslims create problems in their translations for them self and with non-Jews and Muslims.

A correction translation is based on the meaning of the text along with knowledge of what the Psalmist wants to convey in the text.

The Psalmist was aware that there is more than one heaven, so it is common sense that he used heavens and heavens to include all that God created.

You and Eric seemed to lack common sense in translating your Hebrew language.

I would rather keep my intelligence rather than learn Hebrew that Jews them self fight over in translating their own Scripture.

If you and Eric could not translate a simple Psalm, how can you and Eric be sure in your translating Hebrew at All?

If it is that hard to translate a simple Psalm, then the Hebrew language should be abolished.

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#165954 Mar 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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There is no such ting really as Jewish or Christian translations - there are translations (interpretations) and there is the native text. When in doubt, go back to the native text.
Are drunk this early in the morning?
You tell that to Eric.
Eric

Romeoville, IL

#165955 Mar 4, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Stop your bull-shit Eric.
Read Psalm 115 the Jewish translation from Hebrew into English.
- Psalms - Chapter 115
1. Not for us, O L-rd, not for us, but for Your name give honor, for Your kindness and for Your truthfulness.
Why should the nations say, "Where is your G-d now?"
3. But our God is in heaven; whatever He wishes, He does.
4. Their idols are silver and gold, the handiwork of man.
5. They have a mouth but they do not speak; they have eyes but they do not see.
6. They have ears but they do not hear; they have a nose but they do not smell.
7. Their hands-but they do not feel; their feet-but they do not walk; they do not murmur with their throat.
8. Like them shall be those who make them, all who trust in them.
9. Israel, trust in the Lord; He is their help and their shield.
10. House of Aaron, trust in the Lord; He is their help and their shield.
11. Those who fear the L-rd, trust in the Lord; He is their help and their shield.
12. The L-rd, Who remembered us, will bless; He will bless the house of Israel; He will bless the house of Aaron.
13. He will bless those who fear the L-rd, the small together with the great.
14. May the Lord add upon you, upon you and upon your children.
15. Blessed are you to the L-rd, the Maker of heaven and earth.
16. The heavens are heavens of the Lord, but the earth He gave to the children of men.
17. Neither will the dead praise G-d, nor all those who descend to the grave.
18. But we shall bless G-d from now until everlasting, Hallelujah!
Now show me where my translation is wrong?
3. one word- heaven.
16.More than one heaven- The heavens are heavens of the Lord.
What is your point now Eric?
No, you learn Hebrew. The word in verse 3 is the same as the two words in verse 16--shamayim

Verse 3

veloheinu va-shamayim kol asher-khafets asa:

But our G-d is in the heavens; whatsoever pleased Him He hath done.

JPS http://www.breslov.com/bible/Psalms115.htm#1

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#165956 Mar 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Learn the Hebrew so that this embarrassment will stop.
You embarrassed your self.
Eric

Romeoville, IL

#165958 Mar 4, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Are drunk this early in the morning?
You tell that to Eric.
It's what I have been saying all along. Go back to the native language--Hebrew. Even if you can't read it, you can visually see that the 3 words are the same.

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#165961 Mar 4, 2013
Eric wrote:
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No, you learn Hebrew. The word in verse 3 is the same as the two words in verse 16--shamayim
Verse 3
veloheinu va-shamayim kol asher-khafets asa:
But our G-d is in the heavens; whatsoever pleased Him He hath done.
JPS http://www.breslov.com/bible/Psalms115.htm#1
You are stupid.
The Psalmist knows there are more than one Heaven.
He used heavens and heavens to include all the heavens God created.

You keep showing that Jews are ignorant of their own Scripture.
uhuh

Chantada, Spain

#165962 Mar 4, 2013
Shamma wrote:
Elijah was taken up in a whirlwind to another location and died like every one else.
Elijah, Enoch, and Moses is explained on this link.
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/enoch.html
2Kings 2:11 said that Elijah was taken up to shamayim

it's only after clueless "John" wrote: No man has ascended up to heaven except the Son of Man (John 3:13), that christians had to revise back this concept of previous prophets' ascension to Heaven and they came up with this nonsense of locked gate of Heaven, righteous souls in a dark Hell etc.
so now they say that the whirlwind only took Elijah to another location on earth lol
uhuh

Chantada, Spain

#165963 Mar 4, 2013
Enoch he was taken up from the earth (Eccle 49:14)
Elijah he was taken up to the heaven (1Macc 2:58)

Enoch was transformed into the angel Metatron ©
Elijah every now and then comes down to earth; he watches the circumcision of every Jewish child, and on Passover night a cup of wine is poured for him and the door left unlocked

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#165964 Mar 4, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Are drunk this early in the morning?
You tell that to Eric.
No, what Eric provided you are translations, and told you to look at the primary text. The point being that Some Christians are hung up with the concept of "official translations" because they lack the capacity to read the words in the Hebrew. Thats a side show. The kewy is to look at the Hebrew
uhuh

Chantada, Spain

#165965 Mar 4, 2013
Ka'ab al-Ahbar, former rabbi convert to muslim during the time of Umar:
"4 prophets are still alive TODAY; Enoch and Jesus in Heaven, Khidr and Elijah on earth"

Khidr the mentor of Moses, is said to have met in person also with Abraham, Zulqarnain, Muhammad's companions, caliph Umar Abdul Aziz and many muslim
scholars

in another islam tradition, Khidr and Elijah spend every month of Ramadan in Jerusalem, and every month of Zulhija they perform pilgrimage to Mecca (in cognito of course)

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#165966 Mar 4, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>The written Hebrew version does not show up when posted.
all you get ##########
the word, which shows up on plenty of websites, is shamayim

root - shin, mem, yud (sh, m, ya)
Hebrew words have three letter roots

heaven or heavens is the same thing - its an English figure of speech. The Hebrew word is always in the plural - there is NO singular version of it, meaning that it is an indivisible construct. In contrast, if it meant heaven(s) there would ALSO be a word for heaven. But there ISN'T. So it is read as singular, in the same way that many nouns in Hebrew are ONLY conjugated in the male OR the female DESPITE the fact that we all know that they have no gender. FOR example, shamayim is MALE (female form would be shemayot, which does not exist in usage.

(In other words, if you think shamayim is plural in the practical sense, you would also have to believe there is such thing as a MALE heaven and a FEMALE heaven - i.e. heaven would have to have a gender- which you obviously dont)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven_in_Judais...

Shamayim (&#1513;&#1502;&#1 497;&#1501;), the Hebrew word for "heaven", denotes a component of the cosmos, the other elements being the earth (erets) and the underworld (sheol). Shamayim is the dwelling place of God and other heavenly beings and, in post-Hebrew Bible literature (including the Christian New Testament), the abode of the righteous dead.[1]

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#165967 Mar 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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No, what Eric provided you are translations, and told you to look at the primary text. The point being that Some Christians are hung up with the concept of "official translations" because they lack the capacity to read the words in the Hebrew. Thats a side show. The kewy is to look at the Hebrew
You are drunk!
You need to go and sleep it off.

You have no shame.

Hebrew should be abolished, Jews keep stumbling around like they are drunk in translating their scriptures.

Shame on you Frijoles.

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#165968 Mar 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
the word, which shows up on plenty of websites, is shamayim
root - shin, mem, yud (sh, m, ya)
Hebrew words have three letter roots
heaven or heavens is the same thing - its an English figure of speech. The Hebrew word is always in the plural - there is NO singular version of it, meaning that it is an indivisible construct. In contrast, if it meant heaven(s) there would ALSO be a word for heaven. But there ISN'T. So it is read as singular, in the same way that many nouns in Hebrew are ONLY conjugated in the male OR the female DESPITE the fact that we all know that they have no gender. FOR example, shamayim is MALE (female form would be shemayot, which does not exist in usage.
(In other words, if you think shamayim is plural in the practical sense, you would also have to believe there is such thing as a MALE heaven and a FEMALE heaven - i.e. heaven would have to have a gender- which you obviously dont)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven_in_Judais...
Shamayim (&#1513;&#1502;&#1 497;&#1501;), the Hebrew word for "heaven", denotes a component of the cosmos, the other elements being the earth (erets) and the underworld (sheol). Shamayim is the dwelling place of God and other heavenly beings and, in post-Hebrew Bible literature (including the Christian New Testament), the abode of the righteous dead.[1]
Shame Shame on you Frijoles.
The Psalmist used the singular heaven in verses 3.

In verse 16 he used heavens and heavens knowing God created more than one heaven.

Give it up.
Stop using Hebrew, you are showing off your stupidity.
Eric

Romeoville, IL

#165969 Mar 4, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>You are drunk!
You need to go and sleep it off.
You have no shame.
Hebrew should be abolished, Jews keep stumbling around like they are drunk in translating their scriptures.
Shame on you Frijoles.
When you have no argument, you attack the messenger.

YOU are the one who brought this discussion. You backed it with the tripe that you cut and pasted from an article. The only source in the Tanakh that either the article or you presented in support was a mis-translation of the Hebrew and the dichotomy between the singular and plural therein.

Now that it has been shown to you that the original Hebrew doesn't support your position, you first attack the messengers. And, then you want to do away with the original so that you and your cronies will have carte blanche to bastardize G-d's words.

Learn Hebrew. Then you won't have to rely upon the words of others. You will be able to derive the true meaning on your own.

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#165970 Mar 4, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
No, you learn Hebrew. The word in verse 3 is the same as the two words in verse 16--shamayim
Verse 3
veloheinu va-shamayim kol asher-khafets asa:
But our G-d is in the heavens; whatsoever pleased Him He hath done.
JPS http://www.breslov.com/bible/Psalms115.htm#1
Eric,You are giving a false translation.

The translation in 16 is:
shamayims and shamayims, not shamayim and shamayin

You need to get a pair of glasses, you are not seeing things as they are.

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#165971 Mar 4, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
When you have no argument, you attack the messenger.
YOU are the one who brought this discussion. You backed it with the tripe that you cut and pasted from an article. The only source in the Tanakh that either the article or you presented in support was a mis-translation of the Hebrew and the dichotomy between the singular and plural therein.
Now that it has been shown to you that the original Hebrew doesn't support your position, you first attack the messengers. And, then you want to do away with the original so that you and your cronies will have carte blanche to bastardize G-d's words.
Learn Hebrew. Then you won't have to rely upon the words of others. You will be able to derive the true meaning on your own.
You attacked your own self with your own stupidity,
The English has an "s" as in heavens and heavens.
which is correct language in identifying more than one heaven.

If there is a fault it is in the Hebrew word heaven and heavens as being both singular.

But the text it self calls for an identification in the meaning of heaven and heavens.

Heavens and heavens is repetitive sIgnifying more than one.
Eric

Romeoville, IL

#165972 Mar 4, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>
If there is a fault it is in the Hebrew word heaven and heavens as being both singular.
That's right. The original is incorrect. The Christian bastardization is correct. We have to do away with the Hebrew so that the bastards can have their way.
Christian

Punchbowl, Australia

#165973 Mar 4, 2013
bmz wrote:
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But the Christian Bible is not really reliable.
I agree with the last line. There is nothing religious and nothing redeeming in the Christian faith.
The Christian Bible is the only reliable source of historical facts.

The Koran is full of lies from cover to cover, it was written by a sick maniac.

It is for this reason the Muslim world is full of blood and terrorism. We blame all the rubbish in the Muslim world on your false prophet Mohamed.

It's a shame Muslims don't have the freedom to choose what they believe for them selves.

Sadly Muslims are held in captive ignorance by their superiors. They aren't allowed to discover the truth, I feel very sorry for Muslim people.

I have 2 Muslim friends who escaped from Iran, they found Christianity and they now have permanent residency in Australia because they would be executed if they went back to Iran.

Islam is big criminal organisation which kills anyone who tries to escape. This in it self speaks volumes about Islam, it is for this reason the West is at war with Islam.

We have to go to Muslim countries to liberate the people from Islamic terrorists.

Islam = Terrorism, Christianity = Freedom.

Choose wisely :-)
Christian

Punchbowl, Australia

#165974 Mar 4, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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So, I take it that you know the location of hell and its constitution in material and force terms.
Why not share the details with me?
I'm sure you'll do Jesus proud.
(smiles)
Please try to understand, that the things of God cannot be comprehended by those who are perishing.

As I mentioned before, you Humanists are still stuck on first base. You don't have the capacity to grasp the smallest things in creation, so there's no chance you will understand any of the deeper things.

See, the big barrier here is you have a very narrow world view and our God is almighty. This means anything is possible with Him, He has no limits of any kind.

So whatever questions you may have would be very puny and insignificant. They're not even worth answering, I would suggest you start at the beginning.

Once you get the basics, then you can move onto the next step. Your asking questions which you don't have the capacity to comprehend :-(

bmz

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#165975 Mar 4, 2013
@ Shamma

Shaman,

What is your stupid problem?

First, you do not know a single word of Hebrew, while we know Arabic, which is very close to Hebrew.

All your scripture came from a scripturally poor language Greek. Right?

What are the words for heaven and heavens in Greek? If you know the two words, you can then realize how unfit that language is for Scripture, including English.

In Greek, the word "heaven" is "paravisos" and the word "heavens" is "Oolamia".(Translite rated by yours truly. Correct me if I heard wrong)

See how absurd that language is? And you are foolishly arguing about Shamayim?

Your Church fathers and the men, who penned your books, were ignorant fools, who were not really fluent in Hebrew.

In order to justify the silly, idiotic and absurd plurality of God, you guys can go to the extent of even making a cow, plural.

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