Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 230981 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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#165563 Mar 1, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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There is much you dont know.
But I keep learning something new each day.

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#165564 Mar 1, 2013
Shamma wrote:
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But I keep learning something new each day.
I dont doubt that.

But I do doubt that you share any of that in this forum. In this forum you preach non evidence based ideology.

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#165565 Mar 1, 2013
Shamma wrote:
Muslims Pagan worship.
"By the Lord!, our people have nothing left of the faith of Abraham. What is this stone that we should encircle it? It can neither hear nor speak, neither hurt nor help. O our people, look out for your souls, for by the Lord are you altogether wanting."
One of the Hanifites was Obeidallah... later he embraced Islam. He immigrated to Abyssinia with other Muslims. Later he became a Christian. After his conversion, he said to his Muslim friends 'We (Christians) see, but you are only blinking'- that is, cannot see plainly.
So, why then does Muhammad kiss the black stone? Why did he incorporate paganism into his faith. There is even the Quranic story of Abraham - how he chided those who worshipped idols sura 6, 21, etc., and said it was sinful in God's sight. Yet here we have Muhammad walking around the Kaba, just like the pagans, kissing the stone, just like the pagans. Even Umar knew it was empty and false, yet he followed Muhammad in kissing the stone.
It cannot be denied that an entire pagan theology and ritual, was adopted by Islam, after Muhammad had one of his convenient 'revelations' and made it 'religiously' correct.
Ever look at Christianity?

Sheez, Some forms of Catholicism are more pagan than those natives with the bones through their nose. And then there is that "small" matter of the trinity and all the tortured verbal gymnastics I hear you guys go through to explain yourself out of that.

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#165566 Mar 1, 2013
More of Muslims pagan worship.
Another Muslim myth, concerning the Kaba, is that 'anyone who prays under the Kaba's water-pipe becomes as pure as on the day when his mother bore him'. Muslims have a hard time accepting Christ's atonement, but will allow for total forgiveness of sins by uttering a prayer under a spout!
The spout became an pagan idol that forgave sins


POST MUHAMMAD HISTORY

In one of the early Muslim civil wars (a.d. 683), al-Zubayr in Mecca was besieged by al-Husayn. Husayn's men used catapults and damaged the Kaba. It looked like 'the torn bosoms of mourning women'. Zubayr and his men pitched their tents next to the Kaba, and a conflagration caught the Kaba on fire. The Kaba was severely damaged, and the black stone was split into three pieces.



A short time later, al-Hadjdjadj conquered Mecca and killed Zubayr. He modified the Kaba's structure.



In 929, the Karmatians invaded Mecca and carried off the black stone! 20 years later it was returned.



Other natural events (bad weather) have also caused the Kaba to need repair.



Muslims erroneously claim that God has protected the Quran from corruption, yet their god was not able to protect his sacred house!







POST MUHAMMAD ISLAMIC MYTHOLOGY

Later Muslim theologians invented a number of myths about Mecca and the Kaba.



One Islamic tradition is - according to Ibn Abbas: Muhammad said,'The black stone came from Paradise and at the time of its descent it was whiter than milk, but that the sins of the children of Adam have caused it to be black, by their touching it. That on the Day of Resurrection, when it will have two eyes, by which it will see and know all those who touched it and kissed it, and when it will have a tongue to speak, it will give evidence in favor of those who touched and kissed it'!



Muslim writers also said that the Kaba was first constructed in heaven, 2000 years before the creation of the world, where a model of it still remains. Adam erected the first Kaba on earth exactly below the spot its perfect model occupies in heaven! 10,000 angels were appointed to guard Adam's Kaba, but obviously they didn't do a good job! God then instructed Abraham to rebuild it.



There are a number of other myths about the Kaba. Among them are that Mecca is the navel of the world, that the Kaba was established at the creation of the world, destroyed during the flood, re-built by Abraham, that Gabriel provided the black stone. There are also legends about the Zamzam water from the nearby well.



Some Muslims say that there are references to the Kaba in the O.T. Here are a few mistaken claims:



1) Muslims hope that Gen 35:4, 14, 15 refer to the Kaba. Since "Beth-El" = House of God, and that the Jewish temple wasn't built until much later. But as the Bible shows, Bethel is a town, in Palestine - Genesis chapter 12. Also, Jacob built an altar, not a temple to God. Abraham also built an altar to the Lord in Gen 12:7.



2) Muslims claim that David mentions the Kaba in Psalm 84:6. If 'Baca' was a location, it was not known where it existed in the Bible. But a more correct interpretation, taken in context of the whole Psalm, is that since 'baca' means weeping, it means 'valley of tears'. David could be saying that he longs for the presence of God, and that even through difficult times (baca) God will be with him, and will turn his tears to joy.



3) Muslims also think that Isaiah 60:7 "All the flocks of Kedar" refers to Arabian people worshipping at the Kaba. Reading thru Isa 60:7, it shows that Kedar's flocks are going to be sacrificed on the alter. Are Muslims saying that Arabs were going to be human sacrifices?

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#165567 Mar 1, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Ever look at Christianity?
Sheez, Some forms of Catholicism are more pagan than those natives with the bones through their nose. And then there is that "small" matter of the trinity and all the tortured verbal gymnastics I hear you guys go through to explain yourself out of that.
God shares His love with mankind through the Holy Trinity.
Warren

Australia

#165568 Mar 1, 2013
Allah does not exist

There is no evidence that islam existed before 600AD

Muhammed was a thief murderer and cheat
i am al mahdy

Saudi Arabia

#165569 Mar 1, 2013
hi..to make a long story short .iam al mahdy.the chosen one..any way..am in jeddah..obhur...and now for somthing compleatly different...lets all watch the sky ..because its time to expose the truth.......roaaaaaaaaar.

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#165570 Mar 1, 2013
More of Muslim pagan wordhip.

4) Some Muslims think that since the New Jerusalem in the book of Revelation is cubic, it also resembles the Kaba and thus is a prophecy of the Kaba! But the Kaba is not a perfect cube, not even close. The structure is 50 ft high, with a sloping roof, the shorter walls are 35 feet long, and the facade is 40 ft. long.

SUMMARY FOR THE ISLAMIC RITES CENTERED ON THE KABA
Every Muslim that makes the Hajj, every Muslim that runs between the hills, every Muslim that bestows a kiss on the black stone, is performing pagan rituals, founded on pagan superstitions, sanctioned by Muhammad himself.

Muslims have accused Christianity of incorporating paganism, and to an extent, some exterior cultural aspects have been. But paganism is an integral root of Islam; paganism is part of it's theology, history, ceremony, and veneration.

My references for this section are from the original Hughes Dictionary of Islam (not the recent one that has been sanitized by a Muslim publisher), the Shorter Ency. of Islam, and the Ency. of Islam, pub. by E. J. Brill, and 'The Sources of Islam' by Tisdall.

MORE ISLAMIC PAGANISM
THE NIGHT JOURNEY
The Night Journey describes Muhammad's ascent into heaven. It is briefly mentioned in sura 17:1, and described in Sahih al-Bukhari, in several of his volumes, notably in vol 1,#345.

Muhammad's story parallels a Zoroastrian story. It is found in an old Pahlavi book known as "The Book of Arta Viraf". The Zoroastrian story describes the journey of a saintly priest (Arta Viraf), who went into a trance and his spirit went up to the heavens under the guidance of an angel named Sarosh. He passed from one utopia (7 heavens?) to another until he reached the presence of Ormazd, the great deity of the whole universe. When Arta saw everything in heaven and that the inhabitants were very happy, Ormazd commanded him to return to earth as his 'messenger' and to tell the people all that he saw and heard.
Also, the Zoroastrians taught, long before Islam, there was a marvelous tree in Paradise called 'humaya', which corresponds very closely to the 'sidrah', the lote tree of Islam.

Finally, there is another Zoroastrian work the 'Zerdashtnama', which has a story of how Zoroaster himself ascended into the heavens and obtained permission to visit hell, where he found Ahriman, the Devil.
All of these stories are paralleled in the Quran. No doubt Muhammad heard these stories and decided to put himself on a level with Zoroaster and others. So, now we have Muhammad copying the Zoroastrian stories and claiming to have these experiences.

Again, while Muslims claim that paganism influenced Christianity, we see that paganism is part of the core of Islamic faith and theology.

AZAZIL - THE DEVIL
In the Muslim Hadith, the Devil has a certain name - Azazil.

The name does not occur in the Quran. The name may come from Leviticus 16:8, 10, 26 - the scapegoat in Hebrew is Azazil. From another source it means 'the demon of the desert'.

There are Apocrypha Jewish books - Enoch and Apocalypse of Abraham, that mention Azazil. Islamic traditions - Hadiths develop their story. Muslims associate Azazil with the fallen angels Harut and Marut. Ibn Abbas tradition has the strongest Islamic reference developing it as Satan's name, before the fall of Adam.

Here is Tisdall's view on it (taken from "The Sources of Islam"):
Muslims take the name Azazil from the Jews, but put the Zoroastrian story behind the name. Muslims believe that God created Azazil, who worshipped God for a 1000 years while he was in the 7th hell. Then he ascended a stage at a time, all the while worshipping God. Finally, he reached the earth. Elsewhere, Muslim tradition says he stayed 3000 years by the gate of paradise, with hostile intentions against Adam and Eve. He was very jealous of them.

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#165571 Mar 1, 2013
Mote Muslim pagan worship.
Compare the above with the Zoroastrian account:
Ahriman (Azazil) remained in the abyss, there to commit hurt and injury, and mischief and darkness. Ormazd (God) knew of his existence and plans. It went on like this for 3000 years. The evil spirit was ignorant of Ormazd's existence, but eventually rising out of the pit, saw Ormazd's light. Then Ahriman was filled with hostility and envy, he set out to destroy.

THE SABEANS
Who were the Sabeans? Why did Muhammad regard them as believers in the true God? The Sabeans are mentioned at least 3 times in the Quran:
1) 2:62 - "Believers, Jews, Christians, and Sabeans; whoever believes in God and the last day and does what is right, shall be rewarded by their Lord; they have nothing to fear or regret."
2) 5:69 - "Believers, Jews, Sabeans and Christians; whoever believes in God and the last day and does what is right, shall have nothing to fear or to regret."
3) 22:17 - "As for the true believers, the Jews, the Sabeans, the Christians, the Magians, and the pagans, God will judge them on the day of Resurrection. God bears witness to all things."

Although what is known about the Sabeans is not comprehensive, enough has been written about them to determine a basic understanding of their practices and beliefs. Most of the writings are from Islamic sources. Some of the writers are Ibn Hazm in 'Fisal wa-Milal', Ibn al-Nadim in the 'Fihrist', Shahrastani in 'The Treaty on Sects', and Masudi in 'Muruj al-Dhahab.

Ibn Hazm, writing in 'Fisal wa-Milal', identifies the people then known as 'Harranians' as the 'Sabeans' mentioned in the Quran. Hazm writes that they honored the seven planets and the twelve constellations, they have 5 times of prayer,(the same times as the Muslims pray), they fast in Ramadan, they venerate and turn to the Kaba in prayer. Hazm also says they also worshipped the stars and idols. Hazm further claims that Allah sent Abraham to turn them away from pagan worship, but Abraham didn't succeed.

Comparing all the early writings on the Sabeans, we find that they inhabited Syria, and spread from there, they were definitely pagans, having a mixture of Babylonian and Helenic religion. The 'prophets' they professed to follow were Hermes and Agathodaemon, who they identified in Shahrastani's time with Seth and Idris (O.T. Enoch). Gods who were worshipped were the gods of the 7 week-days, the god of the Jinn, the lord of the Hour, the god who makes arrows fly, the god Tammuz (a variation of the one previously mentioned), Hamam the prince, the father of the gods, the god 'North', the lord 'Fortune', etc. They also kept the Eid of their own. Further, the Sabeans made star worship a chief characteristic of their system.

So, did Islam get the 5 times a day prayer?--From the star worshipping Sabeans. What about fasting during Ramadan?- from the Sabeans. The Eid?- from the Sabeans.

It seems very odd to me that Muhammad, the man who's central doctrine was the oneness of God, would include pagan worshippers as those who were believers in the true God. If Muhammad were truly a prophet, how could he have made such a big mistake? How did astral worshippers get included into the Quran as those that worship the true God? How could Muhammad's 'revelation' be in such error?

It is noteworthy that just as Muhammad incorporated the pagan veneration of the Kaba and black stone into Islam, so he incorporated the Sabean times of prayer, Eid, and fasting into Islam.

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#165572 Mar 1, 2013
Muslim pagan Houris.

HOURIS
The Quran mentions 'houris' several times 44:50, 52:20, 55:60, 56:20, 78:33. Who or what are they? They are 'bashful virgins','fair as coral and ruby','dark eyed youths','high bosomed maidens (big breasted)'. In sum, they are creatures put in Paradise, primarily for men's sexual pleasures. Each man will have at least two of them.

This concept is derived from the Zoroastrian sources. In Zoroastrian writings they are referred to as 'Faries'- spirits in bright array and beautiful to captivate the heart of man. The name 'Houris' comes from a Pehlavi source, as does the Islamic 'Jinn' for Genie.

CONCLUSION
Is not difficult to see how Muhammad heard various sacred religious stories, and incorporated them into Islam. Perhaps he thought that parts of those religions contained truth, so he adopted what he thought to be correct. But nevertheless, part of the foundation of Islam is paganism.
Warren

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#165573 Mar 1, 2013
i am al mahdy wrote:
hi..to make a long story short .iam al mahdy.the chosen one..any way..am in jeddah..obhur...and now for somthing compleatly different...lets all watch the sky ..because its time to expose the truth.......roaaaaaaaaar.
u jUST CRAZY

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#165574 Mar 1, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>God shares His love with mankind through the Holy Trinity.
PBUH Shamma
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#165575 Mar 1, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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I do not know, how death of one person can achieve this?
So many people die every day and so many innocent people are killed. Even prophets of God have been killed and hanged on false charges.
Why you have made the death of Jesus so mysterious? All this is false teachings of Paul, which have mesmerized most of Christians.
Get out of it and talk with reason and logic.
The reason Jesus' death procured our salvation, while no other man's death can, was because He is God. It was by Jesus' death and resurrection that we are saved.
Christian

Croydon, Australia

#165576 Mar 1, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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So, you believe this failed savior's words?
Have you heard Jesus say so about himself or have you read about this claim in your NT? LOL.
Never believe without sound reasons and supporting proofs.
Many lunatics like Jesus and others have arisen in the history of the world who've declared themselves almighty, omniscient, infallible, omnipotent, invincible and absolute and all without an exception have be proven failures or outright frauds and none has done anything to dissolve the numerous problems facing humankind.
As I stated earlier, it hasn't been given to you to understand.

God has chosen certain people to whom he has given understanding
and to whom He has revealed the truth to.

These people are called the elect, they are going to spend eternity in God's Kingdom. The rest of humanity is condemned to spend eternity in hell.

I know you hate to hear this truth and you will try to wish it away. Sadly for you and all the rest who reject Jesus as their saviour, your all damned to spend eternity in hell.

I hope and pray that you would turn from your evil ways, and ask Jesus to be your personal saviour.

There is no other name under Heaven given by which we can be saved.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#165577 Mar 1, 2013
Shamma wrote:
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But I keep learning something new each day.
So, you have learned something new today and that is:

There is no "My Father, his Father, her Father, your Father , their Father and our Father" in the Jewish Holy Scriptures.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#165578 Mar 1, 2013
Christian wrote:
There is no other name under Heaven given by which we can be saved.
That is correct and that name is not Jesus. Since the LORD Almighty God said that there was no other God and Savior besides the LORD Almighty, Jesus gets thrown out from that post.
truth

Perth, Australia

#165579 Mar 1, 2013
its alali halali=forgivness as jesus say
you are against jibriel= gabriel did you
truth

Perth, Australia

#165580 Mar 1, 2013
jibe
2 jibe and 5 bread=25
who is real
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#165581 Mar 1, 2013
Shamma wrote:
It seems very odd to me that Muhammad, the man who's central doctrine was the oneness of God, would include pagan worshippers as those who were believers in the true God. If Muhammad were truly a prophet, how could he have made such a big mistake? How did astral worshippers get included into the Quran as those that worship the true God? How could Muhammad's 'revelation' be in such error?

It is noteworthy that just as Muhammad incorporated the pagan veneration of the Kaba and black stone into Islam, so he incorporated the Sabean times of prayer, Eid, and fasting into Islam.
Could you please stop using the silly, absurd and idiotic word 'oneness", which was coined by the pagan Church?

Oneness of God is discussed by those, who do not believe there is only one God. Every damn silly and idiotic word in Christianity's pagan-infested theology is based on absurd doctrines.
truth

Perth, Australia

#165582 Mar 1, 2013
sura25
its stay upon two angel and light upon that

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