Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 230329 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Brussels Journal.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#164997 Feb 24, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
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There is only one God. The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob. allah is a fictional character based on the head of the arab pagan gods.
I was telling readers here that the even the forged OT rejects and condemns the NT.
Eric

Hoffman Estates, IL

#164998 Feb 24, 2013
bmz wrote:
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" Hear, O Israel: The L-RD thy G-d is one L-RD".
This is the unethical practice from the link in question that I referred to. The above is the way the link states the Shma. But it is followed by a footnote. When you go to the footnote it repeats the above, but adds that the prayer comes from Deuteronomy with a link. When you click the link to Deuteronomy, the translation of the Hebrew is different and lends a different meaning to the prayer contrary to the original above. The passage from Deuteronomy substantiates the Jewish (and Muslim) concept.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#164999 Feb 24, 2013
bmz wrote:
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I was telling readers here that the even the forged OT rejects and condemns the NT.
Your problem is that you try to make one God into three gods. Christians believe in only one God; making all your arguments about three gods moot. Where do Christians say there are three gods? Scholars consider the Christian faith a monotheistic religion, so your arguments are based on a false belief in what Christians believe.
Christian

Croydon, Australia

#165000 Feb 24, 2013
bmz wrote:
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You did not get my message:
Read again!
" The famous saying, "You reap what you sow", is what the West is getting now.
It is all political and it all started with the colonization of the world by the European looters, namely Britain, France, Belgium, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Holland, etc. Add the names of some, if I forgot to mention.
Your own 'convicts' hunted and killed aborigines and the migrant Europeans wiped out the Red Indians in America. You can't do that anymore.
Britain was the most notorious, followed by France, Spain and Holland. Divide and rule was the motto of all of European looters and they are still at it as a group.
Muslims welcomed the miserable Bs of the past and they took advantage of their hospitality and screwed the hosts.
America's problem is that after the British were exhausted and almost finished, it carried the British' bastard babies but could not handle.
If you do not have a good knowledge of the past 250-300 years, then I suggest you better keep shut!
Do you think Christianity was ever a religion of peace? That was the religion of all the European looters, who wore crosses and fucked the whole world with their wicked behaviour and bigotry.
This is a fact, which you cannot deny!"
Having said that, I repeat that all the troubles in the world came through the filthy West of the past.
Let Muslims kill Muslims. What is that to you? You should be happy. The problem is that you guys have no political acumen and no knowledge. Muslims killing Muslims in Syria and you get dysentery. Why? Let them kill. You should rejoice.
You guys had civilized after massive killings of your own breed. After that killing and revolutions, came reconciliation. Who started the two World Wars? It was your own breed.
What is happening in the Muslim world falls under, "My enemy's friend is my enemy". So, others are going to kill the enemy's friends.
As for Christianity, it was a religion created by pagan Romans. Read the filthiest and the darkest History of Christianity.
We kiss no smelly feet. lol! Just tell your leaders to declare war on Islam and the Muslims and see how badly will you be screwed. They would not dare! Iran alone is making them shiver.
Muslims must be destroyed.

I read your post and I find it insulting to my intelligibly.

There can be no peace between Muslims and Christians, it's impossible.

The Europeans were exploring the world and bringing good things everywhere they went. They educated primitive tribes and gave them machines, medicine and technology. They should be grateful to us.

There can only be one conclusion to this problem. Nothing less than the total destruction of Islam will solve the problem.

Islam and Christianity are completely opposed, it's impossible to reconcile them. So the only outcome must be a war to end the problem once and for all.

Muslims will be completely destroyed, Christians are vastly superior in all departments.

Muslims are inbred morons, they are 2000 years behind modern people. Just look at Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya and every other Islamic country. They are still stuck in the stone age.

The time for WW3 is here, the free world must rid the world of Islamic terrorists. We saw Islam's true colours when the Muslims attacked innocent people on 9/11.

You Muslims asked for trouble then you complain when we punish you, the USA never went to your countries to attack innocent people going about their business.

Muslims drew first blood, the West will do whatever it takes to teach you a lesson. The only language Muslims understand is bullets.

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#165001 Feb 24, 2013
Eric wrote:
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This is not what you said. You said that "the Jewish Scriptures were re-translated after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ in the 13th century by Moses Maimonides a Jewish Agnostic philosopher."
Please show where he re-translated scripture. Please tell us what language the scriptures were in prior to Moses Maimonides and what language they were in after Moses Maimonides. The last time I read any Jewish scripture it was in Hebrew.
I will not for the present time be distracted from the above. Even the unethical link from which you quote doesn't attribute anything to Moses Maimonides.
Please answer the question.
It evident you know nothing about Maimonides.
In his mid-20s, he began authoring numerous volumes on the Mishnah, which he completed around ten years later. His intent was to assist those who could not understand the Mishnah's Hebrew and often cryptic text, and for that reason, the commentary was written in Arabic but with Hebrew lettering.
He then wrote a volume in Arabic called Sefer Hamitzvot, listing all of the 613 commandments. These volumes were later translated into Hebrew numerous times, once still in his lifetime.
Additional Works
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Main Article: Responsa
Maimonides also authored the Guide for the Perplexed, or Moreh Nevuchim, a foundational work on Jewish philosophy; the Letter of Martyrdom, a letter to Yemenite Jews encouraging them in their difficult plight; and other letters (gathered together in Pe'er Hador and today published as a single volume). Maimonides also wrote an Oath for Physicians, and various medical texts are attributed to him.
Code of Jewish Law
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Main Article: Codification of Jewish Law
Inner cover of the Rambam’s Mishneh Torah from the 1574 edition printed in Venice, Italy
Maimonides' magnum opus is his codification of Jewish law, which he called Mishneh Torah, or "second to the Torah." The fourteen volume work is a logical systematic codification of Jewish law.
Prior to Maimonides, in order to know Jewish law, one would have to learn the entire Talmud. And since the Talmud itself as at times indecisive, often incorporating conflicting opinions on Jewish law, it was necessary to then study the various commentaries, which clarified the final law. The famed Rabbi Yitzchak Alfasi, known as the Rif (the teacher of the aforementioned Ree Migash) was the first to codify applicable Jewish law—as a commentary to the Talmud.
The difficulty was, however, that the Talmudic rulings – as well as the aforementioned commentaries – were not organized in a strictly encyclopedic, logical fashion, making research extremely taxing. For example, in order to study the laws of Shabbat by exploring the Talmud, one needs to search through tens of tractates.
Maimonides was the first one to index the entire body of Oral Law – both Talmuds, the various halachic Midrashim, later works authored by the Geonim, and even kabbalistic texts – and compile it all in a logical and systematic fashion. The laws of Shabbat, for example, are all gathered in the third volume of Mishneh Torah (which is titled Zmanim, "Times," containing all laws pertaining to Shabbat and holidays) in thirty chapters, each divided into bite-sized sub-sections.
Maimonides codified the laws of Shabbat, holidays, prayer, dietary laws, and the laws that regulate the Jew's daily life. He also wrote a section on eating healthy, fitness, and mental health—teaching future learners that all our actions should be permeated with holiness and G&#8209;dliness. "The health and wellbeing of the body," he writes, "is part of one's service of G&#8209;d."
The Mishneh Torah also incorporates the basics of Jewish thought and belief.

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#165002 Feb 24, 2013
@ Eric Continued:

Another unique component of the volumes is that they are not limited to laws that pertain to our day and age, which constitute only a small part of the 613 biblical commandments, but also include laws that will pertain to the Messianic era, such as the laws of tithing, the Jubilee Year, and the Temple service.

In this area, Maimonides was more than a trailblazer; to this very day the Mishneh Torah remains the only work of this scope. No other work – authored beforehand or afterwards – covers the entire corpus of Jewish law.(Even the commentaries on Jewish law authored before Maimonides omit the laws that were not germane at the time.)

Maimonides also placed great emphasis on making his works available and understandable to all Jews, scholars and laymen alike. He also omitted sources, for brevity's sake, though later scholars compiled sources for every statement in the Mishneh Torah. Because of his unique style and clarity, he became known as "The Golden Tongue."

Since Maimonides, many subsequent scholars have analyzed every word and even letter in his volumes. They discuss at length why Maimonides chose to include certain laws, wrote one law before another, and why he chose to include laws in one volume but not the other. Some have speculated that the body of commentary on Maimonides' volumes could reach the same quantity as Talmudic commentary.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#165003 Feb 24, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>His commentary was based on his Agnostic view that we cannot know anything about the existence of God and His nature.
Maimonides's family, along with most other Jews, chose exile. Some say, though, that it is probable Maimonides feigned a conversion to Islam before escaping,[10] his forced conversion was ruled legally invalid per Islamic law when brought up by a rival in Egypt.[11] For the next ten years Maimonides moved about in southern Spain, eventually settled in Fes in Morocco, the capital of the Almohads, where he studied at the University of Al-Karaouine. During this time, he composed his acclaimed commentary on the Mishnah in the years 1166–1168.[14]
His works were influenced by his conversion to Islam.
LOL..Rambam the Muslim!!

The dilemma concerning Islam was addressed pragmati
cally and effectively by Maimonides (known commonly as the Rambam) in the 12th century. Maimonides,one of the key commentators and jurists throughout Jewish history, ruled firmly that the Islamic Faith should not be considered idolatry : "
The Ishmaelites [Muslims] are not idol worshippers at all, and it [idolatry] has ceased to exist in their mouths and hearts and they
attribute the proper Oneness to God with no blemish. And if someone will say that the house they worship in is an idolatrous shrine ... as their ancestors worshiped idols there—that does
not matter. Those who bow towards it today, their hearts are dedicated to heaven [towards the One God]... and the Ishmaelites today, all of them, women and children, have ceased to
believe in idolatry and their mistake is ... in other things ... however in attributing Oneness to God—they have no mistake at all
."
The significance of Maimonides’ ruling was immense. The vast majority of the later rabbis and commentators across future generations followed his guidelines concerning Islam and considered them as binding.
Thus, Islam was not to be considered a pagan system. To these rabbis, naturally, Islam was not to be considered equivalent to Judaism. However, Islam was acknowledged as very similar to Judaism in the emphasis of the Oneness of God. This monotheistic, all-encompassing principle became the distinguishing value of Islam compared to other, non-monotheistic idolatrous religions.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#165004 Feb 24, 2013
Christian wrote:
<quoted text> Muslims must be destroyed.
I read your post and I find it insulting to my intelligibly.
There can be no peace between Muslims and Christians, it's impossible.
The Europeans were exploring the world and bringing good things everywhere they went. They educated primitive tribes and gave them machines, medicine and technology. They should be grateful to us.
There can only be one conclusion to this problem. Nothing less than the total destruction of Islam will solve the problem.
Islam and Christianity are completely opposed, it's impossible to reconcile them. So the only outcome must be a war to end the problem once and for all.
Muslims will be completely destroyed, Christians are vastly superior in all departments.
Muslims are inbred morons, they are 2000 years behind modern people. Just look at Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya and every other Islamic country. They are still stuck in the stone age.
The time for WW3 is here, the free world must rid the world of Islamic terrorists. We saw Islam's true colours when the Muslims attacked innocent people on 9/11.
You Muslims asked for trouble then you complain when we punish you, the USA never went to your countries to attack innocent people going about their business.
Muslims drew first blood, the West will do whatever it takes to teach you a lesson. The only language Muslims understand is bullets.
Persecuting and Killing Jews over 1800 years as Christ killers for denying your mangod is not enough. You nearly wiped them off the face of planet earth and now you want to do the same to Muslims!!
Same MURDERING followers of MURDERER PAUL!!
ONLY THE INTENDED VICTIMS ARE DIFFERENT!
CALL THEM TERRORISTS...RAPE THEIR LANDS TAKE THEIR WEALTH BOMB MILLIONS OF THEIR WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN 20TH AND 21ST CENTURY!!
Jesus loves you for this!
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#165005 Feb 24, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL..Rambam the Muslim!!
The dilemma concerning Islam was addressed pragmati
cally and effectively by Maimonides (known commonly as the Rambam) in the 12th century. Maimonides,one of the key commentators and jurists throughout Jewish history, ruled firmly that the Islamic Faith should not be considered idolatry : "
The Ishmaelites [Muslims] are not idol worshippers at all, and it [idolatry] has ceased to exist in their mouths and hearts and they
attribute the proper Oneness to God with no blemish. And if someone will say that the house they worship in is an idolatrous shrine ... as their ancestors worshiped idols there—that does
not matter. Those who bow towards it today, their hearts are dedicated to heaven [towards the One God]... and the Ishmaelites today, all of them, women and children, have ceased to
believe in idolatry and their mistake is ... in other things ... however in attributing Oneness to God—they have no mistake at all
."
The significance of Maimonides’ ruling was immense. The vast majority of the later rabbis and commentators across future generations followed his guidelines concerning Islam and considered them as binding.
Thus, Islam was not to be considered a pagan system. To these rabbis, naturally, Islam was not to be considered equivalent to Judaism. However, Islam was acknowledged as very similar to Judaism in the emphasis of the Oneness of God. This monotheistic, all-encompassing principle became the distinguishing value of Islam compared to other, non-monotheistic idolatrous religions.
If these rabbis did not accept Jesus as their Lord and God, their opinons can not be trusted. islam is based on the pagan moon god and not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

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#165006 Feb 24, 2013
Elohim—God's plurality

The Deep Things of God: How the Trinity Changes Everything The Hebrew word translated "God" is the word El or Elohim. Elohim is the plural form of El. The plural form is used 2607 of the 2845 times the word "God" is used in the Old Testament. Not only is the word for God usually used in the plural form, but several verses refer to God as "Us":

Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." (Genesis 1:26)
Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"--(Genesis 3:22)
"Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another's speech." (Genesis 11:7)
Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?" Then I said, "Here am I. Send me!" (Isaiah 6:8)

An example of how the Hebrew word Elohim is used in the plural is that it is translated "gods" (referring to idols) 235 times in the Old Testament. It is exactly the same word that is translated "God," referring to the Almighty. An example is given below:

"I am the LORD your God [Elohim], who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. "You shall have no other gods [Elohim] before Me.(Exodus 20:2-3)

God the Father

Not only is the plurality of God found in the Old Testament, but the members of the triunity are also defined. Several Old Testament verses tell us that God is our Father:

"Do you thus repay the LORD, O foolish and unwise people? Is not He your Father who has bought you? He has made you and established you.(Deuteronomy 32:6)
"He will cry to Me,'Thou art my Father, My God, and the rock of my salvation.'(Psalm 89:26)
For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.(Isaiah 9:6)
For Thou art our Father, though Abraham does not know us, And Israel does not recognize us. Thou, O LORD, art our Father, Our Redeemer from of old is Thy name.(Isaiah 63:16)
But now, O LORD, Thou art our Father, We are the clay, and Thou our potter; And all of us are the work of Thy hand.(Isaiah 64:8)
"Have you not just now called to Me,'My Father, Thou art the friend of my youth?(Jeremiah 3:4)
"Then I said,'How I would set you among My sons, And give you a pleasant land, The most beautiful inheritance of the nations!' And I said,'You shall call Me, My Father, And not turn away from following Me.'(Jeremiah 3:19)

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#165007 Feb 24, 2013
God the Son
The Son is also found in the Old Testament:
"I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to Me,'Thou art My Son, Today I have begotten Thee.(Psalm 2:7)
Do homage to the Son, lest He become angry, and you perish in the way, For His wrath may soon be kindled. How blessed are all who take refuge in Him!(Psalm 2:12)
Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name or His Son's name? Surely you know!(Proverbs 30:4)
"I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. "And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations, and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.(Daniel 7:13-14)
God the Holy Spirit
The third member of the triunity of God, The Holy Spirit, is also found extensively in the Old Testament:
Genesis 1:2 1 Samuel 11:6 Psalm 106:33 Ezekiel 3:24
Genesis 6:3 1 Samuel 16:13 Psalm 139:7 Ezekiel 8:3
Exodus 31:3 1 Samuel 16:14 Psalm 143:10 Ezekiel 11:1
Exodus 35:31 1 Samuel 19:20 Isaiah 11:2 Ezekiel 11:5
Numbers 11:17 1 Samuel 19:23 Isaiah 30:1 Ezekiel 11:24
Numbers 11:25 2 Samuel 23:2 Isaiah 32:15 Ezekiel 36:27
Numbers 11:26 1 Kings 18:12 Isaiah 34:16 Ezekiel 37:1
Numbers 11:29 1 Kings 22:24 Isaiah 40:13 Ezekiel 37:14
Numbers 24:2 2 Kings 2:16 Isaiah 42:1 Ezekiel 39:29
Numbers 27:18 1 Chronicles 12:18 Isaiah 44:3 Ezekiel 43:5
Judges 3:10 2 Chronicles 15:1 Isaiah 48:16 Joel 2:28
Judges 6:34 2 Chronicles 18:23 Isaiah 59:21 Joel 2:29
Judges 11:29 2 Chronicles 20:14 Isaiah 61:1 Micah 2:7
Judges 13:25 2 Chronicles 24:20 Isaiah 63:10 Micah 3:8
Judges 14:6 Nehemiah 9:20 Isaiah 63:11 Haggai 2:5
Judges 14:19 Nehemiah 9:30 Isaiah 63:14 Zechariah 4:6
Judges 15:14 Job 33:4 Ezekiel 2:2 Zechariah 7:12
1 Samuel 10:6 Psalm 51:11 Ezekiel 3:12 Zechariah 12:10
1 Samuel 10:10 Psalm 104:30 Ezekiel 3:14 Malachi 2:15
Triunity of God in the Old Testament
Finally, there are a number of verses in the Old Testament in which the triunity of God is directly expressed:
Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name or His Son's name? Surely you know!(Proverbs 30:4)
Then a shoot will spring from the stem of Jesse, And a branch from his roots will bear fruit. And the Spirit of the LORD will rest on Him, The spirit of wisdom and understanding, The spirit of counsel and strength, The spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.(Isaiah 11:1-2)
"Behold, My Servant, whom I uphold; My chosen one in whom My soul delights. I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the nations.(Isaiah 42:1)
"Come near to Me, listen to this: From the first I have not spoken in secret, From the time it took place, I was there. And now the Lord GOD has sent Me, and His Spirit." (Isaiah 48:16)
The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon Me, Because the LORD has anointed Me To bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent Me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to captives, And freedom to prisoners; (Isaiah 61:1)
In all their affliction He was afflicted, And the angel of His presence saved them; In His love and in His mercy He redeemed them; And He lifted them and carried them all the days of old. But they rebelled And grieved His Holy Spirit; Therefore, He turned Himself to become their enemy, He fought against them.(Isaiah 63:9-10)

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#165008 Feb 24, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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My info is that both Jesus and Muhammad were vegetarians.
Where did you get the idea that Muhammad was vegetarian?

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#165009 Feb 24, 2013
Continued:
Conclusion Top of page

Some of the verses above include all members of the triunity (Isaiah 42:1, Isaiah 48:16, and Isaiah 61:1). Therefore, the Old Testament does reveal the Christian concept of the Godhead, with God being one God, consisting of three persons. How can God simultaneously exist as both singular and plural? It is a logical impossibility if God were restricted to the three dimensions of space and one dimension of time of our physical universe. However, the attributes of God, given by the Bible, provide a reasonable explanation of how this paradox can be resolved. For more information, see The Extradimensional Nature of God.

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#165010 Feb 24, 2013
bmz wrote:
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Muslims cannot be singled out. Along with Hindus, African and South American Christians, Christians in the East and the European backyard and many others are at the bottom because of illiterate masses and poor leadership.
It will take time.
Utterly false, deluded.

As far as illiteracy and poor leadership are concerned you have high percentages in Muslim countries as well as India, Africa and South America.

What's the point to divide anything with religion?

It's clear you have a deep personal issue with European Christians, hence your bias. So you have made up your delusion.

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#165011 Feb 24, 2013
bmz wrote:
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" For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one [echad] flesh. "
When Jesus heard of this, he left his mother and was united to God, his wife, and both became one flesh.
How does this Echad sound?
Why were the founding fathers sooooo obsessed with the word Echad, which to the Hebrews, the Jews and even the Muslims, seems so easy to understand.
Why doesn't the Church Mill consider this translation form NLT?
"New Living Translation (©2007)
"Listen, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD alone."
This removes the Echad misinterpretation, you adulterous person (I have used brother James'
language)!
The cardinal truth is that there is only one God.
" Hear, O Israel: The LORD thy God is one LORD". So stick to this one true God but not to the absurd Triune God, which does not exist.
Because the Apostles to verify for them self that Jesus was prophesied in The Torah thoroughly searched the Torah found the prophecy of Jesus in The Torah as Jesus said was written about Him in The Torah.

So the meaning of words in The Torah become relent to who Jesus was.

The Jewish Scriptures verified to the Apostles as to who Jesus said He was.



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#165012 Feb 24, 2013
bmz wrote:
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What you have written is bullshit!
In order to create, the creator has to be outside the creation, fool!
Dumb answer as expected.

Are you saying that men after built their homes don't go to live in?

So did your Allah, after he created the universe and something else he decided to live in.

Your "in order to create, the creator has to be outside the creation" doesn't demolish the fact your Allah lives somewhere in the heaven sat on a throne.

Who knows if that anthropomorphic god is watching tv up there. LOL

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#165013 Feb 24, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
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LOL..Rambam the Muslim!!
The dilemma concerning Islam was addressed pragmati
cally and effectively by Maimonides (known commonly as the Rambam) in the 12th century. Maimonides,one of the key commentators and jurists throughout Jewish history, ruled firmly that the Islamic Faith should not be considered idolatry : "
The Ishmaelites [Muslims] are not idol worshippers at all, and it [idolatry] has ceased to exist in their mouths and hearts and they
attribute the proper Oneness to God with no blemish. And if someone will say that the house they worship in is an idolatrous shrine ... as their ancestors worshiped idols there—that does
not matter. Those who bow towards it today, their hearts are dedicated to heaven [towards the One God]... and the Ishmaelites today, all of them, women and children, have ceased to
believe in idolatry and their mistake is ... in other things ... however in attributing Oneness to God—they have no mistake at all
."
The significance of Maimonides’ ruling was immense. The vast majority of the later rabbis and commentators across future generations followed his guidelines concerning Islam and considered them as binding.
Thus, Islam was not to be considered a pagan system. To these rabbis, naturally, Islam was not to be considered equivalent to Judaism. However, Islam was acknowledged as very similar to Judaism in the emphasis of the Oneness of God. This monotheistic, all-encompassing principle became the distinguishing value of Islam compared to other, non-monotheistic idolatrous religions.
Alex you don't know diddly about God.
You are a pagan Muhammadan.

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#165014 Feb 24, 2013
Eric wrote:
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Translated them from what language to what language?
FYI, the Mishna (upon which he only wrote a commentary) and the Mishneh Torah are not the same as the Torah. The former concern codification of Talmudic law. The latter being what you consider to be the first 5 books of your Bible.
What is the rabbinic law?
Is it not that "God is One"

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#165016 Feb 24, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
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Persecuting and Killing Jews over 1800 years as Christ killers for denying your mangod is not enough. You nearly wiped them off the face of planet earth and now you want to do the same to Muslims!!
Same MURDERING followers of MURDERER PAUL!!
ONLY THE INTENDED VICTIMS ARE DIFFERENT!
CALL THEM TERRORISTS...RAPE THEIR LANDS TAKE THEIR WEALTH BOMB MILLIONS OF THEIR WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN 20TH AND 21ST CENTURY!!
Jesus loves you for this!
Muhammad: Jews and the Jihad
The tension that exists today between Muslims and Jews is not an entirely modern phenomenon. Muhammad came into conflict with the Jewish tribes of his time, and this conflict ended in tragedy. Throughout the history of Islam Muhammad's anti-Jewish sentiments, preserved in the Qur'an and Hadith, have affected relations between Muslims and Jews. Today anti-Semitism reverberates throughout the Muslim world with an intensity not seen since the time of Hitler. Muhammad's own teachings are often used to justify it.
Apologists for Islam traditionally blame the Jews for their troubled relations with Muhammad, accusing the Jews of colluding with Muhammad's enemies. The truth is hardly that simple. Even the early Arabic sources, clearly biased in favor of Muhammad, tell a story that puts Muhammad's actions in question. We will look at these sources to understand the roots of this Muslim-Jewish tension.
When the Jewish leaders of Medina first heard of the coming of a prophet preaching belief in one God, they were intrigued. They did not immediately accept or reject him, but they wanted to know more (Ibn Ishaq, 192). Relations began to deteriorate as the Jews discovered Muhammad was not very familiar with their scriptures and traditions. The rabbis would taunt him with questions he could not answer (Ibn Ishaq, 351).
The Jews' rejection of Muhammad's message must have disappointed him greatly. He saw himself preaching the same monotheism to which the Jews subscribed - why then wouldn't they accept him as a prophet? To establish his affinity with the Jews, he borrowed some Jewish practices and prescribed them to his followers. Muslims were to meet for prayer on Friday afternoon as Jews prepare for the sabbath, they were to face Jerusalem in prayer as Jews do, they were to observe some of the Jewish dietary laws, as well as the fast on the Day of Atonement. Muslims called this the fast of Ashura, meaning "tenth," since the Day of Atonement falls on the tenth of the Jewish month of Tishri. When the Jews rejected his prophecy in spite of these practices, Muhammad changed them, and fixed the qibla (direction of prayer) to Mecca in place of Jerusalem.
The First Jewish Tribe: the Fate of the Bani Qaynuqa
At that time there were three Jewish tribes in Medina; the first to be discussed were the Bani Qaynuqa. In his dealings with them, Muhammad's aspirations to be accepted as a Jewish prophet as well as his frustration and anger became very apparent.
After the battle of Badr, Muhammad called the Bani Qaynuqa to assemble in the marketplace. He demanded the Jews accept him as their prophet, he threatened them, and they responded with defiance:
The apostle assembled them in their market and addressed them as follows: "O Jews, beware lest God bring upon you the vengeance that He brought upon Quraysh and become Muslims. You know that I am a prophet who has been sent - you will find that in your scriptures and God's covenant with you." They replied, "O Muhammad, you seem to think that we are your people. Do not deceive yourself because you encountered a people with no knowledge of war and got the better of them; for by God if we fight you, you will find that we are real men!" (Ibn Ishaq, 545)

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Muhammad: Jews and the Jihad

Muhammad is then said to have received the following revelation:

Say to those who disbelieve: "You will be vanquished and gathered to Hell, an evil resting place. You have already had a sign in the two forces which met"; i.e. the apostle's companions at Badr and the Quraysh. "One force fought in the way of God; the other, disbelievers, thought they saw double their own force with their very eyes. God strengthens with His help whom He will. Verily in that is an example for the discerning." (Ibn Ishaq, 545; Qur'an, 3:12-13)

At this point Ibn Hisham inserts the following incident into Ibn Ishaq's narrative:

The cause of the Qaynuqa affair was that an Arab woman had come with some merchandise to the market of the Bani Qaynuqa. She sat down next to a goldsmith there. Then they began urging her to unveil her face, which she refused. The goldsmith moved close to the hem of her garment and tied it behind her back. When she got up her [privates] were exposed. They laughed at her, and she screamed. Then a Muslim jumped upon the goldsmith who was Jewish and killed him. Then the Jews overwhelmed the Muslim and killed him. The family of the slain Muslim called upon their coreligionists for help against the Jews. The Muslims were furious, and thus there was bad blood created between them and the Bani Qaynuqa.(1)

Watt (130) questions historicity of this incident:

Little credence need be given to the story of the trick, for it also appears in legends of pre-Islamic Arabia; but there may well have been some quarrel between Muslims and Jews. The deeper reason for Muhammad's action, however, are obvious. The Jews were not prepared to become full members of the Islamic community, and therefore he had broken with them. They still had agreements of some sort with him, but he would be on the look-out to take advantage of any failure to fulfil the letter of the agreements. This is presumably what happened here.

Whether or not the incident is historical, its inclusion shows the biographer's need to provide a pretext for Muhammad's actions against the Qaynuqa. Muhammad besieged them and in two weeks forced them to surrender unconditionally - at best, an act of collective punishment. He would have killed them all, but spared their lives only at the behest of the leader of a neighboring Arab tribe, who pleaded on their behalf (Ibn Ishaq, 546). Muhammad then exiled the Bani Qaynuqa from Medina, eventually driving them out of Arabia completely.

By eliminating one community of nonbelievers Muhammad further strengthened his position. But he was not yet finished.

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