Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 252785 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Brussels Journal.

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#165007 Feb 24, 2013
God the Son
The Son is also found in the Old Testament:
"I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to Me,'Thou art My Son, Today I have begotten Thee.(Psalm 2:7)
Do homage to the Son, lest He become angry, and you perish in the way, For His wrath may soon be kindled. How blessed are all who take refuge in Him!(Psalm 2:12)
Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name or His Son's name? Surely you know!(Proverbs 30:4)
"I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. "And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations, and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.(Daniel 7:13-14)
God the Holy Spirit
The third member of the triunity of God, The Holy Spirit, is also found extensively in the Old Testament:
Genesis 1:2 1 Samuel 11:6 Psalm 106:33 Ezekiel 3:24
Genesis 6:3 1 Samuel 16:13 Psalm 139:7 Ezekiel 8:3
Exodus 31:3 1 Samuel 16:14 Psalm 143:10 Ezekiel 11:1
Exodus 35:31 1 Samuel 19:20 Isaiah 11:2 Ezekiel 11:5
Numbers 11:17 1 Samuel 19:23 Isaiah 30:1 Ezekiel 11:24
Numbers 11:25 2 Samuel 23:2 Isaiah 32:15 Ezekiel 36:27
Numbers 11:26 1 Kings 18:12 Isaiah 34:16 Ezekiel 37:1
Numbers 11:29 1 Kings 22:24 Isaiah 40:13 Ezekiel 37:14
Numbers 24:2 2 Kings 2:16 Isaiah 42:1 Ezekiel 39:29
Numbers 27:18 1 Chronicles 12:18 Isaiah 44:3 Ezekiel 43:5
Judges 3:10 2 Chronicles 15:1 Isaiah 48:16 Joel 2:28
Judges 6:34 2 Chronicles 18:23 Isaiah 59:21 Joel 2:29
Judges 11:29 2 Chronicles 20:14 Isaiah 61:1 Micah 2:7
Judges 13:25 2 Chronicles 24:20 Isaiah 63:10 Micah 3:8
Judges 14:6 Nehemiah 9:20 Isaiah 63:11 Haggai 2:5
Judges 14:19 Nehemiah 9:30 Isaiah 63:14 Zechariah 4:6
Judges 15:14 Job 33:4 Ezekiel 2:2 Zechariah 7:12
1 Samuel 10:6 Psalm 51:11 Ezekiel 3:12 Zechariah 12:10
1 Samuel 10:10 Psalm 104:30 Ezekiel 3:14 Malachi 2:15
Triunity of God in the Old Testament
Finally, there are a number of verses in the Old Testament in which the triunity of God is directly expressed:
Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name or His Son's name? Surely you know!(Proverbs 30:4)
Then a shoot will spring from the stem of Jesse, And a branch from his roots will bear fruit. And the Spirit of the LORD will rest on Him, The spirit of wisdom and understanding, The spirit of counsel and strength, The spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.(Isaiah 11:1-2)
"Behold, My Servant, whom I uphold; My chosen one in whom My soul delights. I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the nations.(Isaiah 42:1)
"Come near to Me, listen to this: From the first I have not spoken in secret, From the time it took place, I was there. And now the Lord GOD has sent Me, and His Spirit." (Isaiah 48:16)
The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon Me, Because the LORD has anointed Me To bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent Me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to captives, And freedom to prisoners; (Isaiah 61:1)
In all their affliction He was afflicted, And the angel of His presence saved them; In His love and in His mercy He redeemed them; And He lifted them and carried them all the days of old. But they rebelled And grieved His Holy Spirit; Therefore, He turned Himself to become their enemy, He fought against them.(Isaiah 63:9-10)

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#165008 Feb 24, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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My info is that both Jesus and Muhammad were vegetarians.
Where did you get the idea that Muhammad was vegetarian?

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#165009 Feb 24, 2013
Continued:
Conclusion Top of page

Some of the verses above include all members of the triunity (Isaiah 42:1, Isaiah 48:16, and Isaiah 61:1). Therefore, the Old Testament does reveal the Christian concept of the Godhead, with God being one God, consisting of three persons. How can God simultaneously exist as both singular and plural? It is a logical impossibility if God were restricted to the three dimensions of space and one dimension of time of our physical universe. However, the attributes of God, given by the Bible, provide a reasonable explanation of how this paradox can be resolved. For more information, see The Extradimensional Nature of God.

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#165010 Feb 24, 2013
bmz wrote:
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Muslims cannot be singled out. Along with Hindus, African and South American Christians, Christians in the East and the European backyard and many others are at the bottom because of illiterate masses and poor leadership.
It will take time.
Utterly false, deluded.

As far as illiteracy and poor leadership are concerned you have high percentages in Muslim countries as well as India, Africa and South America.

What's the point to divide anything with religion?

It's clear you have a deep personal issue with European Christians, hence your bias. So you have made up your delusion.

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#165011 Feb 24, 2013
bmz wrote:
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" For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one [echad] flesh. "
When Jesus heard of this, he left his mother and was united to God, his wife, and both became one flesh.
How does this Echad sound?
Why were the founding fathers sooooo obsessed with the word Echad, which to the Hebrews, the Jews and even the Muslims, seems so easy to understand.
Why doesn't the Church Mill consider this translation form NLT?
"New Living Translation (©2007)
"Listen, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD alone."
This removes the Echad misinterpretation, you adulterous person (I have used brother James'
language)!
The cardinal truth is that there is only one God.
" Hear, O Israel: The LORD thy God is one LORD". So stick to this one true God but not to the absurd Triune God, which does not exist.
Because the Apostles to verify for them self that Jesus was prophesied in The Torah thoroughly searched the Torah found the prophecy of Jesus in The Torah as Jesus said was written about Him in The Torah.

So the meaning of words in The Torah become relent to who Jesus was.

The Jewish Scriptures verified to the Apostles as to who Jesus said He was.



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#165012 Feb 24, 2013
bmz wrote:
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What you have written is bullshit!
In order to create, the creator has to be outside the creation, fool!
Dumb answer as expected.

Are you saying that men after built their homes don't go to live in?

So did your Allah, after he created the universe and something else he decided to live in.

Your "in order to create, the creator has to be outside the creation" doesn't demolish the fact your Allah lives somewhere in the heaven sat on a throne.

Who knows if that anthropomorphic god is watching tv up there. LOL

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#165013 Feb 24, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
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LOL..Rambam the Muslim!!
The dilemma concerning Islam was addressed pragmati
cally and effectively by Maimonides (known commonly as the Rambam) in the 12th century. Maimonides,one of the key commentators and jurists throughout Jewish history, ruled firmly that the Islamic Faith should not be considered idolatry : "
The Ishmaelites [Muslims] are not idol worshippers at all, and it [idolatry] has ceased to exist in their mouths and hearts and they
attribute the proper Oneness to God with no blemish. And if someone will say that the house they worship in is an idolatrous shrine ... as their ancestors worshiped idols there—that does
not matter. Those who bow towards it today, their hearts are dedicated to heaven [towards the One God]... and the Ishmaelites today, all of them, women and children, have ceased to
believe in idolatry and their mistake is ... in other things ... however in attributing Oneness to God—they have no mistake at all
."
The significance of Maimonides’ ruling was immense. The vast majority of the later rabbis and commentators across future generations followed his guidelines concerning Islam and considered them as binding.
Thus, Islam was not to be considered a pagan system. To these rabbis, naturally, Islam was not to be considered equivalent to Judaism. However, Islam was acknowledged as very similar to Judaism in the emphasis of the Oneness of God. This monotheistic, all-encompassing principle became the distinguishing value of Islam compared to other, non-monotheistic idolatrous religions.
Alex you don't know diddly about God.
You are a pagan Muhammadan.

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#165014 Feb 24, 2013
Eric wrote:
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Translated them from what language to what language?
FYI, the Mishna (upon which he only wrote a commentary) and the Mishneh Torah are not the same as the Torah. The former concern codification of Talmudic law. The latter being what you consider to be the first 5 books of your Bible.
What is the rabbinic law?
Is it not that "God is One"

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#165016 Feb 24, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
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Persecuting and Killing Jews over 1800 years as Christ killers for denying your mangod is not enough. You nearly wiped them off the face of planet earth and now you want to do the same to Muslims!!
Same MURDERING followers of MURDERER PAUL!!
ONLY THE INTENDED VICTIMS ARE DIFFERENT!
CALL THEM TERRORISTS...RAPE THEIR LANDS TAKE THEIR WEALTH BOMB MILLIONS OF THEIR WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN 20TH AND 21ST CENTURY!!
Jesus loves you for this!
Muhammad: Jews and the Jihad
The tension that exists today between Muslims and Jews is not an entirely modern phenomenon. Muhammad came into conflict with the Jewish tribes of his time, and this conflict ended in tragedy. Throughout the history of Islam Muhammad's anti-Jewish sentiments, preserved in the Qur'an and Hadith, have affected relations between Muslims and Jews. Today anti-Semitism reverberates throughout the Muslim world with an intensity not seen since the time of Hitler. Muhammad's own teachings are often used to justify it.
Apologists for Islam traditionally blame the Jews for their troubled relations with Muhammad, accusing the Jews of colluding with Muhammad's enemies. The truth is hardly that simple. Even the early Arabic sources, clearly biased in favor of Muhammad, tell a story that puts Muhammad's actions in question. We will look at these sources to understand the roots of this Muslim-Jewish tension.
When the Jewish leaders of Medina first heard of the coming of a prophet preaching belief in one God, they were intrigued. They did not immediately accept or reject him, but they wanted to know more (Ibn Ishaq, 192). Relations began to deteriorate as the Jews discovered Muhammad was not very familiar with their scriptures and traditions. The rabbis would taunt him with questions he could not answer (Ibn Ishaq, 351).
The Jews' rejection of Muhammad's message must have disappointed him greatly. He saw himself preaching the same monotheism to which the Jews subscribed - why then wouldn't they accept him as a prophet? To establish his affinity with the Jews, he borrowed some Jewish practices and prescribed them to his followers. Muslims were to meet for prayer on Friday afternoon as Jews prepare for the sabbath, they were to face Jerusalem in prayer as Jews do, they were to observe some of the Jewish dietary laws, as well as the fast on the Day of Atonement. Muslims called this the fast of Ashura, meaning "tenth," since the Day of Atonement falls on the tenth of the Jewish month of Tishri. When the Jews rejected his prophecy in spite of these practices, Muhammad changed them, and fixed the qibla (direction of prayer) to Mecca in place of Jerusalem.
The First Jewish Tribe: the Fate of the Bani Qaynuqa
At that time there were three Jewish tribes in Medina; the first to be discussed were the Bani Qaynuqa. In his dealings with them, Muhammad's aspirations to be accepted as a Jewish prophet as well as his frustration and anger became very apparent.
After the battle of Badr, Muhammad called the Bani Qaynuqa to assemble in the marketplace. He demanded the Jews accept him as their prophet, he threatened them, and they responded with defiance:
The apostle assembled them in their market and addressed them as follows: "O Jews, beware lest God bring upon you the vengeance that He brought upon Quraysh and become Muslims. You know that I am a prophet who has been sent - you will find that in your scriptures and God's covenant with you." They replied, "O Muhammad, you seem to think that we are your people. Do not deceive yourself because you encountered a people with no knowledge of war and got the better of them; for by God if we fight you, you will find that we are real men!" (Ibn Ishaq, 545)

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#165017 Feb 24, 2013
@ALEX.
Continued:Muhammad: Jews and Jihad.
Muhammad: Jews and the Jihad

Muhammad is then said to have received the following revelation:

Say to those who disbelieve: "You will be vanquished and gathered to Hell, an evil resting place. You have already had a sign in the two forces which met"; i.e. the apostle's companions at Badr and the Quraysh. "One force fought in the way of God; the other, disbelievers, thought they saw double their own force with their very eyes. God strengthens with His help whom He will. Verily in that is an example for the discerning." (Ibn Ishaq, 545; Qur'an, 3:12-13)

At this point Ibn Hisham inserts the following incident into Ibn Ishaq's narrative:

The cause of the Qaynuqa affair was that an Arab woman had come with some merchandise to the market of the Bani Qaynuqa. She sat down next to a goldsmith there. Then they began urging her to unveil her face, which she refused. The goldsmith moved close to the hem of her garment and tied it behind her back. When she got up her [privates] were exposed. They laughed at her, and she screamed. Then a Muslim jumped upon the goldsmith who was Jewish and killed him. Then the Jews overwhelmed the Muslim and killed him. The family of the slain Muslim called upon their coreligionists for help against the Jews. The Muslims were furious, and thus there was bad blood created between them and the Bani Qaynuqa.(1)

Watt (130) questions historicity of this incident:

Little credence need be given to the story of the trick, for it also appears in legends of pre-Islamic Arabia; but there may well have been some quarrel between Muslims and Jews. The deeper reason for Muhammad's action, however, are obvious. The Jews were not prepared to become full members of the Islamic community, and therefore he had broken with them. They still had agreements of some sort with him, but he would be on the look-out to take advantage of any failure to fulfil the letter of the agreements. This is presumably what happened here.

Whether or not the incident is historical, its inclusion shows the biographer's need to provide a pretext for Muhammad's actions against the Qaynuqa. Muhammad besieged them and in two weeks forced them to surrender unconditionally - at best, an act of collective punishment. He would have killed them all, but spared their lives only at the behest of the leader of a neighboring Arab tribe, who pleaded on their behalf (Ibn Ishaq, 546). Muhammad then exiled the Bani Qaynuqa from Medina, eventually driving them out of Arabia completely.

By eliminating one community of nonbelievers Muhammad further strengthened his position. But he was not yet finished.
bmz

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#165018 Feb 24, 2013
Eric wrote:
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This is the unethical practice from the link in question that I referred to. The above is the way the link states the Shma. But it is followed by a footnote. When you go to the footnote it repeats the above, but adds that the prayer comes from Deuteronomy with a link. When you click the link to Deuteronomy, the translation of the Hebrew is different and lends a different meaning to the prayer contrary to the original above. The passage from Deuteronomy substantiates the Jewish (and Muslim) concept.
Indeed!

All Christian presentations are distorted and dishonest. There is not even a shred of integrity.

Christianity's scripture and books have been founded on reverse engineering.

In my field of work, we come across old structures, which have to rehabilitated and strengthened. When structural drawings are not available, we then assume loads and redesign the structure and strengthen it accordingly. This is known as reverse engineering design.

In the case of Christianity, the early followers just followed the Jewish way shown by Jesus and they still worshipped the one God Almighty at the Temple and nobody worshipped and prayed to Jesus.

The problems arose after Paul went West with his weird preaching. There was no such thing as Bishop of Alexandria or Bishop of Sahara, etc. Each man in a village was the self-appointed Bishop, preaching his own views.

It was only after the 1st and 2nd Councils of Nicaea that Trinity was concocted. As there was no Trinity in the "New Testament" ideology (Please note that there was no NT in the 4th Century), the Church fathers, started looking for a son for God and a ghost.

That is when the reverse engineering began to find the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost through the Jewish Holy Scriptures. However, they could not find. So, they started digging through the poor translation in Geek known as the Septuagint.

Through that Greek translation, later called the Old Testament, they came up with forged verses to show plurality and the oneness,( utterly absurd terms ) for God.

No one had ever translated " Your God is one" as "your God is oneness".

Every where in Genesis, it was "God said" and in Hebrew of Genesis 1 it was said every where
"Elohim said".

"Elohim said" was not exclusively said in "Let us make man in our own image..."

So, it was Elohim through out.

I call that butchery of others' Scripture to show absurdity in another scripture by mad men!!!

You amy find this extract very interesting and telling:

"The Second Council of Nicaea denounced the First Council of Nicaea as "a synod of fools and madmen" and sought to annul "decisions passed by men with troubled brains" (History of the Christian Church, H. H. Milman, DD, 1871). If one chooses to read the records of the Second Nicaean Council and notes references to "affrighted bishops" and the "soldiery" needed to "quell proceedings", the "fools and madmen" declaration is surely an example of the pot calling the kettle black. "

bmz

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#165019 Feb 24, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
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Your problem is that you try to make one God into three gods. Christians believe in only one God; making all your arguments about three gods moot. Where do Christians say there are three gods? Scholars consider the Christian faith a monotheistic religion, so your arguments are based on a false belief in what Christians believe.
It is not my problem. It is yours. I believe only in one God.

You have three Gods, namely:

God, the Father

God, the Son

God the Holy Spirit

Those three are distinct and co-equal persons, not in one God but in one Godhead.

If you had truly believed in one God, then you would not have three.

And then, you cannot deny what Iw rote and you cannot also deny what I am writing now:

The Father is not Jesus and is also not the Holy Spirit.

The Son is not the Father and is also not the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is not the Father and is also not the Son.

Right?

And then you have: The Father is God, the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God. Right?

Even a fool will not accept that Christians are monotheistic after reading above.

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#165020 Feb 24, 2013
bmz wrote:
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Indeed!
All Christian presentations are distorted and dishonest. There is not even a shred of integrity.
Christianity's scripture and books have been founded on reverse engineering.
In my field of work, we come across old structures, which have to rehabilitated and strengthened. When structural drawings are not available, we then assume loads and redesign the structure and strengthen it accordingly. This is known as reverse engineering design.
In the case of Christianity, the early followers just followed the Jewish way shown by Jesus and they still worshipped the one God Almighty at the Temple and nobody worshipped and prayed to Jesus.
The problems arose after Paul went West with his weird preaching. There was no such thing as Bishop of Alexandria or Bishop of Sahara, etc. Each man in a village was the self-appointed Bishop, preaching his own views.
It was only after the 1st and 2nd Councils of Nicaea that Trinity was concocted. As there was no Trinity in the "New Testament" ideology (Please note that there was no NT in the 4th Century), the Church fathers, started looking for a son for God and a ghost.
That is when the reverse engineering began to find the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost through the Jewish Holy Scriptures. However, they could not find. So, they started digging through the poor translation in Geek known as the Septuagint.
Through that Greek translation, later called the Old Testament, they came up with forged verses to show plurality and the oneness,( utterly absurd terms ) for God.
No one had ever translated " Your God is one" as "your God is oneness".
Every where in Genesis, it was "God said" and in Hebrew of Genesis 1 it was said every where
"Elohim said".
"Elohim said" was not exclusively said in "Let us make man in our own image..."
So, it was Elohim through out.
I call that butchery of others' Scripture to show absurdity in another scripture by mad men!!!
You amy find this extract very interesting and telling:
"The Second Council of Nicaea denounced the First Council of Nicaea as "a synod of fools and madmen" and sought to annul "decisions passed by men with troubled brains" (History of the Christian Church, H. H. Milman, DD, 1871). If one chooses to read the records of the Second Nicaean Council and notes references to "affrighted bishops" and the "soldiery" needed to "quell proceedings", the "fools and madmen" declaration is surely an example of the pot calling the kettle black. "
Yet some how there are over a billion followers of Jesus that worship Him.
How is it then, you say no one worshiped Jesus?
bmz

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#165021 Feb 24, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>It evident you know nothing about Maimonides.
In his mid-20s, he began authoring numerous volumes on the Mishnah, which he completed around ten years later. His intent was to assist those who could not understand the Mishnah's Hebrew and often cryptic text, and for that reason, the commentary was written in Arabic but with Hebrew lettering.
He then wrote a volume in Arabic called Sefer Hamitzvot, listing all of the 613 commandments. These volumes were later translated into Hebrew numerous times, once still in his lifetime.
Additional Works
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Main Article: Responsa
Maimonides also authored the Guide for the Perplexed, or Moreh Nevuchim, a foundational work on Jewish philosophy; the Letter of Martyrdom, a letter to Yemenite Jews encouraging them in their difficult plight; and other letters (gathered together in Pe'er Hador and today published as a single volume). Maimonides also wrote an Oath for Physicians, and various medical texts are attributed to him.
Code of Jewish Law
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Main Article: Codification of Jewish Law
Inner cover of the Rambam’s Mishneh Torah from the 1574 edition printed in Venice, Italy
Maimonides' magnum opus is his codification of Jewish law, which he called Mishneh Torah, or "second to the Torah." The fourteen volume work is a logical systematic codification of Jewish law.
Prior to Maimonides, in order to know Jewish law, one would have to learn the entire Talmud. And since the Talmud itself as at times indecisive, often incorporating conflicting opinions on Jewish law, it was necessary to then study the various commentaries, which clarified the final law. The famed Rabbi Yitzchak Alfasi, known as the Rif (the teacher of the aforementioned Ree Migash) was the first to codify applicable Jewish law—as a commentary to the Talmud.
The difficulty was, however, that the Talmudic rulings – as well as the aforementioned commentaries – were not organized in a strictly encyclopedic, logical fashion, making research extremely taxing. For example, in order to study the laws of Shabbat by exploring the Talmud, one needs to search through tens of tractates.
Maimonides was the first one to index the entire body of Oral Law – both Talmuds, the various halachic Midrashim, later works authored by the Geonim, and even kabbalistic texts – and compile it all in a logical and systematic fashion. The laws of Shabbat, for example, are all gathered in the third volume of Mishneh Torah (which is titled Zmanim, "Times," containing all laws pertaining to Shabbat and holidays) in thirty chapters, each divided into bite-sized sub-sections.
Maimonides codified the laws of Shabbat, holidays, prayer, dietary laws, and the laws that regulate the Jew's daily life. He also wrote a section on eating healthy, fitness, and mental health—teaching future learners that all our actions should be permeated with holiness and G&#8209;dliness. "The health and wellbeing of the body," he writes, "is part of one's service of G&#8209;d."
The Mishneh Torah also incorporates the basics of Jewish thought and belief.
How come the Church missed including the Mishneh Torah, such an important book in the Christian BIble?

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#165022 Feb 24, 2013
One can tell a Muslim is a Muhammadan by the lies they tell.

Muhammad the Muslim pagan prophet was the biggest liar ever born.
bmz

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#165023 Feb 24, 2013
Shamma wrote:
Elohim—God's plurality
The Deep Things of God: How the Trinity Changes Everything The Hebrew word translated "God" is the word El or Elohim. Elohim is the plural form of El. The plural form is used 2607 of the 2845 times the word "God" is used in the Old Testament. Not only is the word for God usually used in the plural form, but several verses refer to God as "Us":
Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." (Genesis 1:26)
Hello, Shaman

Genesis 1:1 to 1:31 uses the word Elohim through out, not just in Genesis 1:26, dear fool.

Type "God said" in Google Translate and match that with each verse in Genesis 1. Please inform the Church and her lying Spirits.
Alex123 aka WM

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#165024 Feb 24, 2013
Shamma wrote:
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Muhammad: Jews and the Jihad
The tension that exists today between Muslims and Jews is not an entirely modern phenomenon. Muhammad came into conflict with the Jewish tribes of his time, and this conflict ended in tragedy. Throughout the history of Islam Muhammad's anti-Jewish sentiments, preserved in the Qur'an and Hadith, have affected relations between Muslims and Jews. Today anti-Semitism reverberates throughout the Muslim world with an intensity not seen since the time of Hitler. Muhammad's own teachings are often used to justify it.

When the Jewish leaders of Medina first heard of the coming of a prophet preaching belief in one God, they were intrigued. They did not immediately accept or reject him, but they wanted to know more (Ibn Ishaq, 192). Relations began to deteriorate as the Jews discovered Muhammad was not very familiar with their scriptures and traditions. The rabbis would taunt him with questions he could not answer (Ibn Ishaq, 351).
The Jews' rejection of Muhammad's message must have disappointed him greatly. He saw himself preaching the same monotheism to which the Jews subscribed - why then wouldn't they accept him as a prophet? To establish his affinity with the Jews, he borrowed some Jewish practices and prescribed them to his followers. Muslims were to meet for prayer on Friday afternoon as Jews prepare for the sabbath, they were to face Jerusalem in prayer as Jews do, they were to observe some of the Jewish dietary laws, as well as the fast on the Day of Atonement. Muslims called this the fast of Ashura, meaning "tenth," since the Day of Atonement falls on the tenth of the Jewish month of Tishri. When the Jews rejected his prophecy in spite of these practices, Muhammad changed them, and fixed the qibla (direction of prayer) to Mecca in place of Jerusalem.
The First Jewish Tribe: the Fate of the Bani Qaynuqa
At that time there were three Jewish tribes in Medina; the first to be discussed were the Bani Qaynuqa. In his dealings with them, Muhammad's aspirations to be accepted as a Jewish prophet as well as his frustration and anger became very apparent.
After the battle of Badr, Muhammad called the Bani Qaynuqa to assemble in the marketplace. He demanded the Jews accept him as their prophet, he threatened them, and they responded with defiance:
The apostle assembled them in their market and addressed them as follows: "O Jews, beware lest God bring upon you the vengeance that He brought upon Quraysh and become Muslims. You know that I am a prophet who has been sent - you will find that in your scriptures and God's covenant with you." They replied, "O Muhammad, you seem to think that we are your people. Do not deceive yourself because you encountered a people with no knowledge of war and got the better of them; for by God if we fight you, you will find that we are real men!" (Ibn Ishaq, 545)
Come on lying Shamma.
You are a typical fundie liar.
- Give me the HISTORICAL record of the number of Jews killed by Muslims because Quran told them to do so!!!
The Quran says the Jews did NOT kill Jesus!!!

- Now do you wish to deny the HISTORICAL record of the MILLIONS of Jews killed by Christians because the Gospels accuse them of deicide!!

Lunatic HITLER the CHRISTIAN was TOTALLY CONVINCED that JEWS WERE EVIL for various reasons including the MURDER of HIS satanic sacrificial man!!

Uhuh also mentioned Gospel of Matt 27:25
"Let his blood be on us and our children!"
"Let his blood be on us and our children!"
"Let his blood be on us and our children!"
"Let his blood be on us and our children!"

YOUR books are wrong to accuse the Jews for the murder of their shrewd, cunning, evil, manipulative satanic creature (who is NOT Jesus) who deliberately planned to blame the Jews.
bmz

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#165025 Feb 24, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Yet some how there are over a billion followers of Jesus that worship Him.
How is it then, you say no one worshiped Jesus?
What can I do if the 1-2 billion Christians accept being fools?

No one worshipped and prayed to Jesus as one worships God and prayed to God. His own disciples also never worshipped him nor prayed to him.

Do you see disciples standing before Jesus, worshipping and praying to him? The man worshipped God and always prayed solo, while the disciples usually fell asleep.

All I see is that pagans worshipped him.
bmz

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Singapore

#165026 Feb 24, 2013
Shamma wrote:
One can tell a Muslim is a Muhammadan by the lies they tell.
Muhammad the Muslim pagan prophet was the biggest liar ever born.
No!

Only liars like your goodself would do that.

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#165027 Feb 24, 2013
bmz wrote:
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How come the Church missed including the Mishneh Torah, such an important book in the Christian BIble?
Maimonides was an Agnostic.
Which means "I do not know"

The work he produced is from that mind set 'I do not know"
The Jews accepted that view point on their laws.

The Church fathers rejected that view point.
Knowing that Jesus preached "The Truth shall set you free"

Muslims are agnostic, they don't know anything about the god they worship.

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