Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 Full story: The Brussels Journal 212,475

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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#164322 Feb 18, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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Nice to have established.
And jesus Christ is also no different as a tribal god for christians.
Are we facing he scape-goat in ourselves yet?
Now you are using hyperbolic language to cover up the failure of the Jews to recognize Jesus as the Messiah.

If we aren't, we need to be.

Here's an added bonus.
evil is "not of God" - it is a corruption of good ("of God")- introduced into Creation by Satan and us.

evil is a condition, not a thing

So God is not the creator of evil as you claim.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

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#164323 Feb 18, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
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Besides books written by men, can you prove that Jesus is God.
Can you even prove the paul spoke to ghost?
Can you prove God spoke to Jesus?
Can you prove even moses spoke to God!!!
You can't prove anything.
So we have to use a bit of common sense.
It is IMPOSSIBLE for a man to be God.
Therefore, your claim is the nuttiest of claims.
so can you provide VERY SOLID evidence for a very stupid claim..
rabbee: because your book written by men says so, is a poor excuse in rebellion against G-D, here in TheStory of ThePhysical Creation called TheTorah just again. and i do not even see muhammeds name, in ThisBook of Life called TheTorah also. if you want to follow, anyone whose name is not in TheBook of Life here in TheTorah. well that is still your mistake with muhammed again, for not answering the roll call here in TheTorah. cause i am not taking roll call from any of you nobodies here in TheTorah. it is not my job to take roll call, for any of you in your quran.

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#164324 Feb 18, 2013
Qadir mengal wrote:
That passage in the Quran does not fit the situation
Qadir mengal wrote:
who="Shamma"]@ Qadir Mengal:
There was no complete book sent while Muhammad lived.
This verses is not a revelation:
1-(Quran 6:114)
Say:; Shall I seek
For judge other than Allah?
When He it is
Who hath sent unto you
The book, explained in detail
The word that reveals the text not to be Muhammad's nor Allah's words is the word "Say".
The writer is telling Muhammad what to say, as an after thought before the book was sent down.
Muhammad couldn't have said that because the book was not compiled till 200 years after Muhammad was dead.
The verses is written as thou Muhammad himself had a copy of the complete book while he lived. and there was no complete book in written form till after Muhammad was dead.
The writer out did himself as being a schemer in trying to explain that those that disputed Muhammad should not do so because Allah sent down the book.
But there was no book in Muhammad's time, all there were was scraps, and pieces of material of dictated words by Muhammad.
So those verses are fake.
Mengal
Dear Shamma,
Thanks,that what ever you understand and perceive presented it correctly,Dear you know Quran like other books not written or presented, it descended to Mohammad to his needs according to situations time to time to Guide Mohammad so as other Muslims,You never understand Quran without its chronically history or facts, please let now come to the meaning and commentary of this verse,
Quresh people disputing the Quran and Mohammad in that context this Verse revealed to Mohammad(saw)' Allah says (O mohammad tell these Quresh people that after ordain of Allah I Mohammad seek other judge than Allah while Allah sent you the book which is complete and explains the all things including those whom books given(Christians and Jews) and they know very well that this book(Qur'an) has been sent from your Lord Allah.
That passage in the Quran does not fit the situation.
Opposition to Muhammad
Some clan leaders did not appreciate Muhammad's claim of prophethood and tried to silence him by putting pressure on his uncle, Abu Talib. Many of the clans also began to oppose the followers of Muhammad, for example by boycotting them. A number of early Muslims took refuge with the Christian king of Abyssinia,[16] while Muhammad himself would later emigrate to Yathrib, now Medina. The Quraysh fought many battles against Muhammad, one major clash was the Battle of Badr, where the Quraysh were defeated, the event was seen as a turning point for Muslims.[17] After Muhammad's conquest of Mecca in 630, he pardoned most of those who had opposed him before, and peace among the different clans was maintained. After Muhammad's death, clan rivalries reignited, playing central roles in the conflicts over the caliphate and contributing to the Shia-Sunni divide.
The Quresh didn't accept Muhammad until he defeated them.
Those verses don't fit the situation.
All Muhammad was is his belief that he was prophet at that time.
Muhammad had no book that he carried with as the Quran.
It didn't exist.
So Muhammad could not say Allah told the Quresh to tell the Quresh Muhammad already had the complete Quran.
That advice Muhammad said in the Quran came from Allah was a lie.
worth a repeat. Both however claim divine inspiration.
Which is not the same as your tribal deity having a conversation with you. But shows intent to establish a worldly authority and rule.
mohammed and the churchfathers were smart-cookies in creating religion. But nothing was accomplished without an accompanying rule of terror. History in both cases tells us that acceptance was not there, that the word did not convince.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

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#164325 Feb 18, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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The ritual is not the same.
We are comparing a 4th- 5th c CE description, doves, flames and all included as pagan imagery.
The judaic ritual puryfying is not a one of, abracadabra presto your saved, but institutional and repeated many times.
rabbee: how many times do you think, i have been through this? how many times do you think, i have actually been to TheTemple Mount? do you even know how many mayeem meekvahs there were to get to TheTemple? and achilles problem is, he only got dunked once. but TheEevareem did not get this from the greeks. they just made up a bunch of g-ds to try and explain G-D. cause they could not comprehend ONE G-D doing it all for six days and only putting HisSon and Daughter in charge for the last day.

and you are probably right, it is nothing like what judeo-christians or jews for that matter are doing today. and jews are not the only ones, who get punished for not being true to G-D here in TheTorah. you even have the stint with the pharoah to prove that not to mention stalin, hitler, mussolini and without even mentioning obama and cancer and aid self inflicted victems for that.

and as long as there is no peace on earth and goodwill to all men, then some nobodies here in TheTorah are doing somthing dreadfully wrong. G-D already came and told me, i am your grandfather adam here in TheTorah again. even if all of you rebellious grandchildren refuse to accept your all here in This Story of Creation again from G-D. i do not care if any of you, cannot accept what G-D came to tell me with the news again about your grandmother of all. but it tells me, we are still here in TheTorah again. and we ain't going to get out of it, by all this pretending we are not here in This Story of ThePhysical Creation all over again. it just screws us all! out of being in GanEden again. with the whole world, helping mr lizard lips decieve their grandmother again.

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#164326 Feb 18, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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It would be YHWH since He alsways put his faith their ultimately.
The thesis is actually about facing your identity as scape-goater.
Not about blaming god (since the conclusion was reached that he was part of the trinity) and by extention presuming that we can judge god.
Sinless is not the same as not being responsible.
G-s as ultimate vehicle for justice would still share responsibility.
In a sense the lesson should be that every man carries god inside and can work to face it's inner demons. That you are not labeled and forever, not stuck, but do carry the responsibility to work at it and fix it. Heal, make the world whole.=saving, making holy.
That's the revelation.
That's what fighting evil and injustice is about.
Not by scape-goating others and waiting for some rapture and total destruction. No, a very individual process that all have to go through.
You just explained the core beliefs of Christianity and the good news of the Gospels of Jesus Christ.

rabbee yehoshooah adam

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#164327 Feb 18, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>You need to re-think rabbee, you are speaking from out of The Torah.
Get back in The Torah then comment.
rabbee: i have G-D'S Approvial here in TheTorahHappening, so i do not need approvial ratings from the not here in TheTorah peanut gallery. so i am not the one, who needs to re-think what G-D has commanded for me to say. i am also not happy, with this world helping to decieve their grandmother whose name has never been eve. and if the males screw this up, the women are even going to be worse for it. and we males are held entirely responsible, for decieving the women out of being here in TheTorah again.

and just in case none of you have noticed this, adam and Noach's mates are not yet assigned with names. they only have a title slot yet to be filled. and for the last two times and this time again, your grandmother's name is sarah faye ann carney. but one thing you can be sure of, is that adam has never even known any woman by that name eve. because this lying world, says it is true to them.

and in conclusion, i aready know what G-D is going to say to Noach, when THEY BOTH return from TheDay of Rest. because this whole world, has piss off any chance at GanEden again. jews, christians are just as much responsible for this as athiests, pagans and all other muslems. because you all think, G-D actually giving TheTorah is some kind of unreal joke.

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#164328 Feb 18, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
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You really are a cretin!!!
That "man" came for all mankind and that "man" did not go around elevating arabs, his mother, his children and wife....but he elevated Mary the Jewish woman above other women.
That man proclaimed Jesus was a virtuous man of God when a whole host of Jews at that time called him a BSTD!!
He did not say, only Arabs were superior or that Allah was just for Arabs.
He said an arab is not superior to non arab and a non arab not superior to arab; a black is not superior to white or a white superior to black...
He was concerned with good deeds and piety that God wanted instead of your race, money, wealth, beauty and power!
God will obviously favour such a man.
You are the chap who needs to take a load of pills.
rabbee: one cretin says to the other cretin, hey you cretin! like a bunch of poisonous snakes, biting their own lips.

I woud say it would do to figure out when that bit in the talmud was written.
I stated before that beget can also allude to adoption. So where BSTD would come from!
I do know some pieces where written to ridicule christianity especially when it becme more violent in it's prosecutions.(Talk about the right to free-speech back-firing on you.)
We also discussed and shown exmples of how judaism changed for people living under christianity and zoroasthrism and later islam with all it's pagan imagery of angels, devils and djinns.
It tried to adapt, or safe it's people.
If everybody else acts mad, act mad too.
But the simple rule is that which is not found in torah is of no actual consequence.
Same goes for the application of fiqh to the quraan.

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#164329 Feb 18, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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worth a repeat. Both however claim divine inspiration.
Which is not the same as your tribal deity having a conversation with you. But shows intent to establish a worldly authority and rule.
mohammed and the churchfathers were smart-cookies in creating religion. But nothing was accomplished without an accompanying rule of terror. History in both cases tells us that acceptance was not there, that the word did not convince.
Take the chip off your shoulder Maat.
Judaism has innocent blood on their hands as the same as Christians and Muslims.
The chip on your shoulder Maat, shows you are willing to shed innocent blood for a superficial cause that does not exist.
You are acting like a Muslim Maat, You are following the command of the Muslims god Allah.
"(Allah) said: "Get both down with enmity between yourselves (mankind).
Synonyms: enmity, hostility, antagonism, animosity, rancor, antipathy, animus
These nouns refer to the feeling or expression of deep-seated ill will. Enmity is hatred such as might be felt for an enemy: the wartime enmity of the two nations.

You cannot make the world whole Maat by your intimating Muslims.

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#164330 Feb 18, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>hyperbolic language is what Muslims use.
But the Torah is God inspired words without stretching the truth.
The Torah is g-d meant for people, the law=god.
Not inspired thus but his very being. The very laws given in person and about the story of how YHWH got a home, land and people.
And how the people being people percieved their YHWH.
With lots of parabels in it. Allusions, hyperbole and methaphores.
Inspired is f.i. the prophets when they write with g-d in mind or on writings on how we should act or what the consequences would be.

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#164331 Feb 18, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Take the chip off your shoulder Maat.
Judaism has innocent blood on their hands as the same as Christians and Muslims.
The chip on your shoulder Maat, shows you are willing to shed innocent blood for a superficial cause that does not exist.
You are acting like a Muslim Maat, You are following the command of the Muslims god Allah.
"(Allah) said: "Get both down with enmity between yourselves (mankind).
Synonyms: enmity, hostility, antagonism, animosity, rancor, antipathy, animus
These nouns refer to the feeling or expression of deep-seated ill will. Enmity is hatred such as might be felt for an enemy: the wartime enmity of the two nations.
You cannot make the world whole Maat by your intimating Muslims.
huh? Are you now saying that we are muslims or proto-christians?
For the longest time the mantra was that jews were such cowards who would not fight, and where so non-violent that it galled the christians. Well go more secular and be done with that, and then they go flip to the other extreme.

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#164332 Feb 18, 2013
MAAT wrote:
<quoted text>
It would be YHWH since He alsways put his faith their ultimately.
The thesis is actually about facing your identity as scape-goater.
Not about blaming god (since the conclusion was reached that he was part of the trinity) and by extention presuming that we can judge god.
Sinless is not the same as not being responsible.
G-s as ultimate vehicle for justice would still share responsibility.
In a sense the lesson should be that every man carries god inside and can work to face it's inner demons. That you are not labeled and forever, not stuck, but do carry the responsibility to work at it and fix it. Heal, make the world whole.=saving, making holy.
That's the revelation.
That's what fighting evil and injustice is about.
Not by scape-goating others and waiting for some rapture and total destruction. No, a very individual process that all have to go through.
SCEPTIC uh shamma wrote:
You just explained the core beliefs of Christianity and the good news of the Gospels of Jesus Christ.

So first you are telling me that i am emulating islam and then that i expressed the core believes and those of 'good news'.

Well i would state that after 150,000 posts you finally seem the get what judaism is about.

The pesky thing is however th voilent end of the world that you also have to believe in, and that is not part of the message.

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#164333 Feb 18, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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huh? Are you now saying that we are muslims or proto-christians?
For the longest time the mantra was that jews were such cowards who would not fight, and where so non-violent that it galled the christians. Well go more secular and be done with that, and then they go flip to the other extreme.
No! I am saying you Maat in your posting seem to be imitating the Muslims in wanting to spread hate and bigotry towards Christians.

Where is it in the news that Christians are murdering Jews?

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#164334 Feb 18, 2013
MAAT wrote:
MAAT wrote:
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It would be YHWH since He alsways put his faith their ultimately.
The thesis is actually about facing your identity as scape-goater.
Not about blaming god (since the conclusion was reached that he was part of the trinity) and by extention presuming that we can judge god.
Sinless is not the same as not being responsible.
G-s as ultimate vehicle for justice would still share responsibility.
In a sense the lesson should be that every man carries god inside and can work to face it's inner demons. That you are not labeled and forever, not stuck, but do carry the responsibility to work at it and fix it. Heal, make the world whole.=saving, making holy.
That's the revelation.
That's what fighting evil and injustice is about.
Not by scape-goating others and waiting for some rapture and total destruction. No, a very individual process that all have to go through.
SCEPTIC uh shamma wrote:
You just explained the core beliefs of Christianity and the good news of the Gospels of Jesus Christ.
So first you are telling me that i am emulating islam and then that i expressed the core believes and those of 'good news'.
Well i would state that after 150,000 posts you finally seem the get what judaism is about.
The pesky thing is however th voilent end of the world that you also have to believe in, and that is not part of the message.
No Maat.
For two thousand years Judao-Christians have been spreading the good news of the Gospels of Jesus Christ.

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#164335 Feb 18, 2013
No such thing as judeo christians.
Anyway, some people are beyond educating.

Aristotle recognized that there are many aspects of the Universe that point to the actuality of the apeiron. For example, it seems possible that time goes on forever, and the space is infinitely divisible (any line segment contains an infinite number of points). However, to protect his a priori finite world, Aristotle invented the notion of potentially infinite as opposed to actually infinite.

For example, Aristotle would state that the set of natural numbers is potentially infinite, since there is no largest natural number, but he would deny that the set is actually infinite, since it does not exist as one finished thing.

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Infinity and God:

Plotinus was the 1st thinker after Plato to adopt that at least God (or the One) is infinite. He states that `the One has never known measure and stands outside of number, and so is under no limit either in regard to anything external or internal; for any such determination would bring something of the dual into it'. St. Augustine, who adapted Platonic philosophy to the Christian religion, believed not only that God was infinite, but also that God could think infinite thoughts. Later medieval thinkers did not go as far as Augustine and, although granting the unlimitedness of God, were unwilling to grant that any of God's creatures could be infinite.

St. Thomas Aquinas gives a sort of Aristotelian proof that ` although God's power is unlimited, he still cannot make an absolutely unlimited thing, no more than he can make an unmade thing (for this involves contradictories being true together)'. The argument is elegant, but suffers from the flaw of being circular: it is proved that the notion of an unlimited thing is contradictory by slipping in the premise that a `thing' is by its very nature limited.
MUQ

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#164336 Feb 18, 2013
Excerpts from the Gospel of Barnabas, Part-55

Chapter 115 On Lust

..The abominable lust, that makes man like the brute beasts, ought greatly to be feared; for the enemy is of one's own household, so that it is not possible to go into any place where your enemy may not come. Ah, how many have perished through lust! Through lust came the deluge, insomuch that the world perished before the mercy of God and so that there were saved only Noah and eighty-three human persons. For lust God overwhelmed three wicked cities whence escaped only Lot and his two children. For lust the tribe of Benjamin was all but extinguished. And I tell you truly that if I should narrate to you how many have perished through lust, the space of five days would not suffice." James answered: "O Master, what signifies lust?"

Jesus answered: "Lust is an unbridled desire of love, which, not being directed by reason, bursts the bounds of man's intellect and affections; so that the man, not knowing himself, loves that which he ought to hate. Believe me, when a man loves a thing, not because God has given him such thing, but as its owner, he is a fornicator; for that the soul, which ought to abide in union with God its creator, he has united with the creature. And so God laments by Isaiah the prophet, saying: You have committed fornication with many lovers; nevertheless, return to me and I will receive you.

Chapter 116 Story of Elijah

In the time of the prophet Elijah it came to pass that Elijah seeing a blind man weeping, a man of good life, asked him saying: "Why weep you, O brother?" The blind man answered: "I weep because I cannot see Elijah the prophet, the holy one of God.". Then Elijah rebuked him, saying: "Cease from weeping, O man, for in weeping you sin." The blind man answered: "Now tell me, is it a sin to see a holy prophet of God, that raises the dead and makes the fire to come down from heaven?" Elijah answered: "You speak not the truth, for Elijah is not able to do anything of all that you say, because he is a man as you are. For all the men in the world cannot make one fly to be born." Said the blind man: "You say this, O man, because Elijah must have rebuked you for some sin of your, wherefore you hate him."

Elijah answered: "May it please God that you be speaking the truth; because, O brother, if I should hate Elijah I should love God, and the more I should hate Elijah the more I should love God." Hereupon was the blind man greatly angered, and said: "As God lives, you are an impious fellow! Can God then be loved while one hates the prophets of God? Begone forthwith, for I will not listen to you any longer!" Elijah answered: "Brother, now may you see with your intellect how evil is bodily seeing. For you desire sight to see Elijah, and hate Elijah with your soul." The blind man answered: "Now begone' for you are the devil, that would make me sin against the holy one of God."

Note: You would not find such stories in existing Gospels -MUQ

(Abridged)

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#164337 Feb 18, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
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Are you mentaly hadicapped? Is my answer not the answer you want to hear? Well, to bad.
Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life; no one comes to the Father but through Him.
You are shivering and wriggling. No, you have not answered truthfully. I only see deceit in your reply.

Try again!

"Answer my questions and be bold:

"So, who were those people, who crucified him and did not know what they were doing?
Spit it out, please!"

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#164338 Feb 18, 2013
bmz wrote:
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I am a Muslim. Qur'aan teaches us to reason.
LOL

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#164339 Feb 18, 2013
JOEL wrote:
Marriage is an artificial and a redundant instution!
Marriage an artificial institution? Why?

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#164340 Feb 18, 2013
JOEL wrote:
MARRIAGE IS AN ARTIFICIAL INSTITUTION:
1) The human being is the most intelligent but the most dangerous animal on earth.
2) Where sex is concerned, humans are more obsessed with sex than the animals.
3) For entertainment and appeasement of sexual urges, humans have devised means like porn and prostitution.
4) Human beings rape people and in many cases force their own children, especially young girls, into prostitution.
5) There are millions of cases of biological fathers raping and impregnating their own daughters.
6) Humans have invented divorce and polygyny to satiate the sex urge since mating just one partner tends to wear off after a time - variety is the spice of life!
7) Humans are less faithful than animals but yet human beings have invented marriage to serve as a permanent bond between man and woman.
8) If the human species was meant to be strictly monogamous, then, we'd not lust after dozens of persons of the opposite or of the same sex as the case may be. Our attention would be fixated on just a single partner that we'd marry via arranged marriage and all thoughts of lusting after other individuals or indulging in pre or extra marital sex would be absent from our mind.
9) Marriage is as such an artifical institution and if maintaining psychological, vital-emotional and physical stability is the aim then the way out is to refrain from drawing in the psycho-vital-emotional-physica l energies from multiple partners by sticking to just one partner and if the condition is this that man and woman should stay chaste till marriage without sex thoughts crossing the mind and stay away from ogling others or entering into sexual affairs then monogamy should have been ingrained in human nature which it is not.
10) Partners can live togther and remain loyal to each other if that is in their nature even without exchanging mumbo jumbo religious vows.
I read all your 10 points and none of them explains why marriage is an artificial institution.

I am assuming that you are using words out of the context.

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#164341 Feb 18, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: well apparently all-h is the creator, of a lot of not here in TheTorah lies again. can't even tell the truth, about muhammed not even being the final false nobodies here in TheTorah prophet.
Do you suspect that All-h is one of the three angels?

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