Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Brussels Journal

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Krishna was much better at that. He took on human form while still being God....
But your mangod MUST be clearly a man if he were to die as a man for men!!!
How can a creature with "body" and "soul" of human be God?
Either he is 100 God or 100% man!
Nothing else will work and all your sacrifice claim will end up in bin even quicker!!
rabbee: hey, G-D came and said, i am 100% TheHisSon adam, even if it tried 100% not to be for a while. and none of you know, what in the hell you are talking about again. end! of discussion.
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<quoted text>I've understood from you that your God can do anything BUT become human. The rest of it is your concocted IVF theory that bears scant resemblance to anything that is found in the Qur'an, that 7th century "science" textbook.
rabbee: and what makes any of you talking critters, think yoooou are being human? because you or muhammed or any other talking critter says so - well! ha! ha! ha! arn't you trying to be clever. humans only exist in TheTorah G-D is giving, and your not ever here for a human roll call.

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@ MAAT...continued.....
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Very good...and thought provoking indeed.
Followers of Judaism and Islam may differ in their approach, but they both believe that they worship the same deity who is eternal all powerful unique self subsisting and not a human or an earthbound creature.
We don't usually give up even if our human local "heros" fail because we still have our top boss who is totally invincible and eternal!
Unfortunately, the "Christian" perspective does NOT allow the believer to understand such a GOD.
They have created a god out of a man who was born and then died.
They can say the man got up from the dead..went to heaven...did this and did that...but without a shred of evidence.
By hedging their bets on a man they have to keep convincing themselves that the man is indeed god...and each christian has this doubt 1000 times a day...what if jesus is not god..what if he was just man?
They overcome this fear by repeating their "mantras"..jesus is this..jesus is that..hoping they can drown out their OWN doubts and noises!
It is very hard to project a tiny man into orbit...and then get him completely out of this universe plus many more universes to turn him into an all powerful GOD.
That is why "christianity" in its present form cannot survive.
They need to return to the ways of the followers of Jesus the man and messenger who was a devoted slave of God...
Instead of following what he did and worshipping his GOD, "they are WORSHIPPING the WORSHIPPER - an ignorant recipe for disaster.
To me it seems as if the thesis is making a turn. I should see the actual thing( though the website i took it from is allied to the Catholic Universy of Louvain/Leuven, so it should be a fair representation, published with permission of the Author De Smet.)
It's as if the initial question A.) is not followed through to the end, as i did in my comment.
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A.)Or did he face the violence as mirror to face his own violent tendencies. That would be the main theme of the thesis.
Girard stresses that the evangelium and the cross hold a mirror to people, in which they are confronted radically with their own violence. Everyone has their own scapegoats. Stronger: scapegoats define each and everyones identity.
(B*premisse)
Christian conversion means that people dare to face their own violence.
A famous example would be the first stage performance by Susan Boyle, an unemployed frumpy housewife, ridiculed by the audience and the viewer at home and afterwards still got a standing ovation. Judging member Amanda phrased is thus:“I’m so thrilled because I know that everybody was against you. We are all so cynical but that was a complete wakeup call!”
The christian faith oversteps and offers an alternative.
(C*presumption:)
If humanity is religious by nature, as exemplified by our now-adays idol-cult, than the christian alternative would make a seamless connection with it.
It calls on humanity to consciously place J.C. as non-violent example centerstage and to follow suite.
So His divinity does not come to be from channeling/guiding violence but in the recognition of ones own sin-goat violence.
Authentic believe in Jesus Christ means that he makes the difference in a non-violent manor/way.
Jesus became sin-goat and victim, so no others victims would be needed.
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We discussed the violence of the crusades, of evangelising, of building empires, of Jesus rudeboy scapegoating stance. The scapegoating that happened for centuries of the jews. The scapegaoting now of muslims and vice versa. And the interfaith started out with blaming itself for egging on believers to go at other faiths and individulas(the shoa and crusades), but later it revokes and states it was neo-paganism. So now we have the child-abuse this interview alludes to.
But should the conclusion not be that jesus takes the underdog position that provides the very template for scape-goating others. Is christian identity about emulating his scape-goating?

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@ MAAT...continued.....
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Very good...and thought provoking indeed.
Followers of Judaism and Islam may differ in their approach, but they both believe that they worship the same deity who is eternal all powerful unique self subsisting and not a human or an earthbound creature.
We don't usually give up even if our human local "heros" fail because we still have our top boss who is totally invincible and eternal!
Unfortunately, the "Christian" perspective does NOT allow the believer to understand such a GOD.
They have created a god out of a man who was born and then died.
They can say the man got up from the dead..went to heaven...did this and did that...but without a shred of evidence.
By hedging their bets on a man they have to keep convincing themselves that the man is indeed god...and each christian has this doubt 1000 times a day...what if jesus is not god..what if he was just man?
They overcome this fear by repeating their "mantras"..jesus is this..jesus is that..hoping they can drown out their OWN doubts and noises!
It is very hard to project a tiny man into orbit...and then get him completely out of this universe plus many more universes to turn him into an all powerful GOD.
That is why "christianity" in its present form cannot survive.
They need to return to the ways of the followers of Jesus the man and messenger who was a devoted slave of God...
Instead of following what he did and worshipping his GOD, "they are WORSHIPPING the WORSHIPPER - an ignorant recipe for disaster.
One posts and things disappear, so again.
A.)Or did he face the violence as mirror to face his own violent tendencies. That would be the main theme of the thesis.
Girard stresses that the evangelium and the cross hold a mirror to people, in which they are confronted radically with their own violence. Everyone has their own scapegoats. Stronger: scapegoats define each and everyones identity.
(B*premisse)
Christian conversion means that people dare to face their own violence.
A famous example would be the first stage performance by Susan Boyle, an unemployed frumpy housewife, ridiculed by the audience and the viewer at home and afterwards still got a standing ovation. Judging member Amanda phrased is thus:“I’m so thrilled because I know that everybody was against you. We are all so cynical but that was a complete wakeup call!”
The christian faith oversteps and offers an alternative.
(C*presumption:)
If humanity is religious by nature, as exemplified by our now-adays idol-cult, than the christian alternative would make a seamless connection with it.
It calls on humanity to consciously place J.C. as non-violent example centerstage and to follow suite.
So His divinity does not come to be from channeling/guiding violence but in the recognition of ones own sin-goat violence.
Authentic believe in Jesus Christ means that he makes the difference in a non-violent manor/way.
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Schould the conclusion not be that christianity is about emulating the scape-gaoting Jesus Christ did. That this forms the very identity of christians. And indeed where is god?

The scapegoating of other faiths by the church was first acknowledged but later renamed as neo-paganist tendencies.

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pg 7719 have some catching up to do.
The article on evil -ra as posted by shammasceptic puts a christian veil over things again.
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I get the message that Christians believe the Nazarene was fully god and fully human.
If I'm not mistaken he was able to make miracles because of his divinity, right? Because only god can resurrect a dead.
You cannot believe he can make miracles and only at times he was omniscient. Is his divinity working intermittently?
You cannot tell me since we don't know the cnsciousness of ourselves then we cannot know that of Jesus.
It's clear there is something wrong with the character of Jesus in the Gospels.
Furthermore if the Nazarene was able to perform miracles like healing sick people and resurrect men, then the news would have reached the Romans that would have taken him to Rome, and then sent him in battle to cure any roman soldier hurt or killed in wars, making therefore the roman soldiers, an army of immortals.
rabbee: well guess who was sentenced to death, for failing to send some natzareen to rome, instead of having Him put to death? and not many nations like to record their alleged screwing up, as much as they like to record their alleged victories. as i kind of suspect, never to see a lot of movies about nixon either.

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Any serious student of language is aware of the fact that words are flexible vehicles of communication. This principle is no less true of the Bible than it is of any piece of literature.

For example, the term “God” may refer to a Being who is truly divine in nature (Jn. 1:1), or the same word may be employed of a false object of worship that is void of the essence of deity (1 Cor. 8:4-6). The verb “believed” may reflect nothing more than a superficial emotion (Jn. 12:42), or it may represent a genuine conviction that is expressed in obedience (Acts 2:41,44). There is none “righteous”(Rom. 3:10), yet Joseph, the husband of Mary was “righteous”(Mt. 1:19). It is wrong to “judge”(Mt. 7:1); it is right to “judge”(Jn. 7:24). One cannot be justified by “works”(Eph. 2:9), yet justification is obtained by “works”(Jas. 2:24).

An Objection
Frequently it is alleged, however, that ultimately God is responsible for “evil”— for had he not created angels and men, the evil they have generated would not exist.
The logic employed in this objection is flawed, and the critic who makes it will scarcely stay with it in a consistent manner.
No greater compliment could have been paid to man than to have been created in the very image of God (Gen. 1:26-27). A part of that “creation package” was the gift of personal volition, that is, the ability to make moral choices. There are only two logical possibilities — one might be created with “free will,” or without “free will.”
Now which option is the obvious expression of love (cf. 1 Jn. 4:8). The former, of course. The Lord thus signally honored human beings by granting them the personal power of choice. Once such action was taken, the Creator is not morally culpable if the gift of choice is abused, and the possessor thereof elects to pursue the road of danger and destruction.
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Adam and eve would be about freedom of choice introduced in the world.
And that god bares no responsibility.

My conclusion was thank god, as was Iob's.

But the conclusion of christians was that the Mary, New Eve gave birth to the church, that adam is by extention jesus and that the church, as first and second son of god and it's holy spirit, embodies the divinity of god and is thus not responsible for what people do, not even if it instigates hatred.
They ultimately refuse to take blame (for the rat line etc.) and make the followers responsible, they were the neo-paganists.

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When you go inside churches you see a naked man on a pole.
Did you know that BJ was COMPLETELY stripped naked before being "nailed" to the pole?
There is no requirement for us to prove anything because we are NOT claiming Muhammed pbuh is god!!
God does NOT have to talk to Holy Prophet Muhammed direct because by definition God is unlike His creation. There is no need for God to talk to us lowly beings. Inspiration is something that is lacking in you.
In your case you are claiming that a man is your God which is totally crazy. So you are the person who needs to provide evidence.
No wonder you have forgotten God and worship a naked man.
1. You speak falsely Alex.
Christians do not claim they worship a man as their God.

God through Jesus teaches that Jesus Christ is the Redeemer promised to Adam and Eve in Genesis 3:15, the only Son of God, and by that very fact, Lord of all Creation. He is the second Person of the Holy Trinity, sent to the world by the Father to become man and save us from our sins. So St. Peter said in Matthew 16:16: "You are the Christ, the son of the Living God". The name Jesus means Savior, as we see from Matthew 1:2. The name "Christ," "Messiah" in Hebrew, means the Anointed one (cf. Acts 10:38).

Jesus is God
"And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us" wrote St. John (1:14). So, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity assumed human nature. Jesus Christ is the Son of God, the Divine Word of whom John wrote, "In the beginning was the Word; the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (John 1:1).

He Became Man
"In the fulness of time, God sent his Son, born of a woman" (Gal 4:4). In order to become a member of the human race in the fullest sense, the Second Person of the Trinity became man by being born of a human woman, Mary. He was conceived by her without the help of a human father, but rather, by the power of the Holy Spirit. Thus, the God-man Jesus Christ had only God as His Father, and the Virgin Mary as His Mother.

2. First of all, God talked directly to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.
That shows God finds it necessary for him to talk directly to man.

The desire for God is written in the human heart, because man is created by God and for God.

God gave man dignity of person Alex when God created man.
The dignity of man rest above all on the fact that he is called to communion with God.
This invitation to converse with God is addressed to man as soon as he comes into being.

3. Your own statements:
God does NOT have to talk to Holy Prophet Muhammed direct because by definition God is unlike His creation. There is no need for God to talk to us lowly beings. Inspiration is something that is lacking in you.

Your above statements Alex express your ignorance of God.

God talked directly to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.
That shows God finds it necessary for him to talk directly to man.

The desire for God is written in the human heart, because man is created by God and for God.

God gave man dignity of person Alex when God created man.
The dignity of man rest above all on the fact that he is called to communion with God.
This invitation to converse with God is addressed to man as soon as he comes into being.

We exists Alex, because God has created us through love, and through love continues to hold us in existence.
we cannot live fully according to truth unless we freely acknowledges that love of God.

Your post to me Alex was just plain ignorant.
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You are the unwanted troll and a nuisance here!
You can't speak English...well, you are incapable of even realising you have a huge handicap in that department!
But...you think your English is perfect while failing to grasp what is being said.
All in all you are a pathetic jobless Euro sponger who lives in his little bubble of ignorance.
Half the posters can't understand you and the other half wish you rejoin mussolini...lol.
Now go away fool.
rabbee: two fools, on opposing errands.

and no i refuse to join you and muhammend, in order to avoid mussolini. and does an entire nation not true to G-D, deserve to hang their own leader for also not being true to G-D?

does any liar have the right, to murder another liar? do witches have the right, to murder others for allegedly being witches?

do all you rebelious grandchildren, really have the right to stone each other to death with high speed rocks made of lead?
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You have just CREATED your own God in your own image!!
Well done birdbrain...
rabbee: well why don't you and muhammed, discuss with buford what you all have in common? instead of consentrating, on your own samd opposing prejudices. cause i do not believe, either of you are going to impress me or G-D with all your not here in TheTorah lying.

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rabbee: come on the mayeem meekvah, even at ascending to the temple mount is nothing new to Yehoodaism. amazing how little all all you, self professed experts really know. don't even know, how many pools there are you must do this, to reach the temple mount. you all do not even know, what wormwood is used for more or less what it is. and like G-D only spent, fourty days explaining 2 1/2 commands on each side of two tablets given to Moshe. can this world get any dumber, when i am sure you can.
The ritual is not the same.
We are comparing a 4th- 5th c CE description, doves, flames and all included as pagan imagery.
The judaic ritual puryfying is not a one of, abracadabra presto your saved, but institutional and repeated many times.
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Just realised!! you talked more rubbish than I first thought!!!
*** When I said "Jesus NEVER made any divinity claim; that he was God or god in human form who had come as his own son to die for the sins of gentiles".
You came back with an "ignorant classic" which was:
"And he shat and pissed his entire life, didn't he?"
You are right!!
He was also hiding ..and many thought he was a nutcase..not many took him seriously....He was not given any position of power...they didn't even know what he looked like...it took a hard up disiciple to point him out!!! women jeered him including the daughters of Jerusalem and those who saw him struggling on one/two donkey ride.
***When I said:
"If you are talking about God and Jesus at least try and get their proper permission by getting clear statements from them about Jesus' divinity!"
You come up with this dumb classic:
"Jesus forgave sin, in one Gospel account, and forgiveness of sin is God's prerogative, isn't it? In another Gospel account, Jesus claimed identity with YHWH, and even prexistence, which prompted his hearers to want to kill him as a blasphemer. "
I have already given my reply..ie: "Then the man should have forgiven everybody and run off back to daddy"!
*** Also...you are naive enough to "believe" that a punter was actually forgiven by GOD just because his servant Jesus said it!!!!
Jesus is NOT God and "BJ" from bible does many silly things.
There is NO proof whatsoever that the man was forgive by God.
God did not say form up above..."Yes you are forgiven as my servant Jesus has put in a request to me!"
Load of rubbish about pre existence..and you know it..
This man was talking in parables.
If he was God he would have said "I AM GOD" ..period.
So buford...you are CREATING GOD..in your own sad image!
Case closed..
rabbee: well maybe you missed something, when They said as Benee Adam - I Am the only begotten Son of G-D.

"(and G-D said, "let US make Adam in OUR IMAGE, after OUR LIKENESS, they shall rule over the fish in the sea, the birds of the sky, and over the animal, the whole
earth, and every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth. so G-D created Adam in HIS IMAGE, in The Image of G-D HE created HIM; male and female HE created them.G-D blessed them, and G
-D said to them, "be fruitful and multiply, fill the earth and subdue it: and rule over the fish in the sea, the bird of the sky, and every living thing that moves on the earth. ")"

so just how did all of you, disappear with mental magic from being here - in TheOnly Story TheG-D of Only TheTorah always actually gives?

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Any serious student of language is aware of the fact that words are flexible vehicles of communication. This principle is no less true of the Bible than it is of any piece of literature.
For example, the term “God” may refer to a Being who is truly divine in nature (Jn. 1:1), or the same word may be employed of a false object of worship that is void of the essence of deity (1 Cor. 8:4-6). The verb “believed” may reflect nothing more than a superficial emotion (Jn. 12:42), or it may represent a genuine conviction that is expressed in obedience (Acts 2:41,44). There is none “righteous”(Rom. 3:10), yet Joseph, the husband of Mary was “righteous”(Mt. 1:19). It is wrong to “judge”(Mt. 7:1); it is right to “judge”(Jn. 7:24). One cannot be justified by “works”(Eph. 2:9), yet justification is obtained by “works”(Jas. 2:24).
An Objection
Frequently it is alleged, however, that ultimately God is responsible for “evil”— for had he not created angels and men, the evil they have generated would not exist.
The logic employed in this objection is flawed, and the critic who makes it will scarcely stay with it in a consistent manner.
No greater compliment could have been paid to man than to have been created in the very image of God (Gen. 1:26-27). A part of that “creation package” was the gift of personal volition, that is, the ability to make moral choices. There are only two logical possibilities — one might be created with “free will,” or without “free will.”
Now which option is the obvious expression of love (cf. 1 Jn. 4:8). The former, of course. The Lord thus signally honored human beings by granting them the personal power of choice. Once such action was taken, the Creator is not morally culpable if the gift of choice is abused, and the possessor thereof elects to pursue the road of danger and destruction.
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Adam and eve would be about freedom of choice introduced in the world.
And that god bares no responsibility.
My conclusion was thank god, as was Iob's.
But the conclusion of christians was that the Mary, New Eve gave birth to the church, that adam is by extention jesus and that the church, as first and second son of god and it's holy spirit, embodies the divinity of god and is thus not responsible for what people do, not even if it instigates hatred.
They ultimately refuse to take blame (for the rat line etc.) and make the followers responsible, they were the neo-paganists.
Maat, your post does not make rational sense.
You lack understanding of what you read.
God took full responsibility for creating man, and the fall of man.
God sent Jesus into the world to be man's savior.
The Church doors are open to anyone who wishes to receive Jesus Christ, the savior of man.

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Dear Frijoles, the following is given out of love. Read and understand and CHANGE.
"HIV among Israeli gay men up 55% since 2005
Ministry figures: Infection is five times more common among gays than among straights."
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/hiv-amon...
rabbee: actual human beings, do not get monkey diseases. nor do they get cancer, caused in rats. no matter how many non-human bird brains, can get bird flu. and hindus should be nervous, about mad cow disease since their mother could be a cow. in this world of: a whole lot of pestilence, plague and famine still going on.
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Muslims believe that Allah is one and incomparable and the purpose of existence is to love and serve Allah.[1][2] Muslims also believe that Islam is the complete and universal version of a primordial faith that was revealed at many times and places before, including through Abraham, Moses and Jesus, whom they consider prophets.[3] They maintain that the previous messages and revelations have been partially misinterpreted or altered over time,[4] but consider the Arabic Qur'an to be both the unaltered and the final revelation of Allah.
The primordial faith Alex, began in the garden of Eden with the creation of Adam and Eve by God.
The universal primordial faith that began with Adam and
Eve is based on Adam and Eve accepting Satan's trust over God.
The Quran says:Quran says (English meaning translation):
"O Adam! dwell you and your wife in the Garden, and enjoy (its good things) as you wish: but don't approach this tree, or you run into harm and transgression.
" Then began Satan to whisper suggestions to them, bringing openly before their minds all their shame that was hidden from them (before): he said:
"Your Lord only forbade you this tree, for not becoming angels or being alive for ever."
And he [Satan] swore to them both, that he was their sincere adviser.
By deceit, Satan brought about their fall: when they tasted of the tree, their shame became manifest to them, and they began to sew together the leaves of the garden over their bodies. And their Lord called them: "Did I not forbid you that tree, and tell you that Satan was an avowed enemy to you?" They said: "Our Lord! We have wronged our own souls: If you (Allah) don't forgive us and don't bestow upon us your Mercy, we shall certainly be lost." (Allah) said: "Get both down with enmity between yourselves (mankind). On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood,- for a time." He said: "Therein shall you live, and therein shall you die; but from it shall you be taken out (at last)."
So, according to the Quran, the primordial faith of human beings, from the beginning, is trusting in Satan; of which Islam claims Muhammad is the final prophet sent by Allah to preserve the faith in Satan as mans sincere adviser.
" (Allah) said: "Get both down with enmity between yourselves (mankind).
Synonyms: enmity, hostility, antagonism, animosity, rancor, antipathy, animus
These nouns refer to the feeling or expression of deep-seated ill will. Enmity is hatred such as might be felt for an enemy: the wartime enmity of the two nations.
But the true God, the creator of Human life sent Jesus to save us humans from allowing Satan to destroy the good created in man by God.
Sorry Alex, Islam chose the wrong God.
rabbee: so all-h is no different than any other tribal g-d, or territorial arc-demon?
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Muslims believe that Allah is one and incomparable and the purpose of existence is to love and serve Allah.[1][2] Muslims also believe that Islam is the complete and universal version of a primordial faith that was revealed at many times and places before, including through Abraham, Moses and Jesus, whom they consider prophets.[3] They maintain that the previous messages and revelations have been partially misinterpreted or altered over time,[4] but consider the Arabic Qur'an to be both the unaltered and the final revelation of Allah.
The primordial faith Alex, began in the garden of Eden with the creation of Adam and Eve by God.
The universal primordial faith that began with Adam and
Eve is based on Adam and Eve accepting Satan's trust over God.
The Quran says:Quran says (English meaning translation):
"O Adam! dwell you and your wife in the Garden, and enjoy (its good things) as you wish: but don't approach this tree, or you run into harm and transgression.
" Then began Satan to whisper suggestions to them, bringing openly before their minds all their shame that was hidden from them (before): he said:
"Your Lord only forbade you this tree, for not becoming angels or being alive for ever."
And he [Satan] swore to them both, that he was their sincere adviser.
By deceit, Satan brought about their fall: when they tasted of the tree, their shame became manifest to them, and they began to sew together the leaves of the garden over their bodies. And their Lord called them: "Did I not forbid you that tree, and tell you that Satan was an avowed enemy to you?" They said: "Our Lord! We have wronged our own souls: If you (Allah) don't forgive us and don't bestow upon us your Mercy, we shall certainly be lost." (Allah) said: "Get both down with enmity between yourselves (mankind). On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood,- for a time." He said: "Therein shall you live, and therein shall you die; but from it shall you be taken out (at last)."
So, according to the Quran, the primordial faith of human beings, from the beginning, is trusting in Satan; of which Islam claims Muhammad is the final prophet sent by Allah to preserve the faith in Satan as mans sincere adviser.
" (Allah) said: "Get both down with enmity between yourselves (mankind).
Synonyms: enmity, hostility, antagonism, animosity, rancor, antipathy, animus
These nouns refer to the feeling or expression of deep-seated ill will. Enmity is hatred such as might be felt for an enemy: the wartime enmity of the two nations.
But the true God, the creator of Human life sent Jesus to save us humans from allowing Satan to destroy the good created in man by God.
Sorry Alex, Islam chose the wrong God.
rabbee: sorry but even you or baal hamolech G-D hates, has any real authority or expertease to speak on my or G-D behalf here in TheTorah. your not being here in ThisStory of Creation again, does not give you the athority to speak for anyone else not here in TheTorah either. no amount of mental dissapearing magic, can make up for your mental failure to be here in TheTorah agains. i am only taking roll call for those mentally here in TheTorah, and you are mentally absent magic minded.

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To me it seems as if the thesis is making a turn. I should see the actual thing( though the website i took it from is allied to the Catholic Universy of Louvain/Leuven, so it should be a fair representation, published with permission of the Author De Smet.)
It's as if the initial question A.) is not followed through to the end, as i did in my comment.
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A.)Or did he face the violence as mirror to face his own violent tendencies. That would be the main theme of the thesis.
Girard stresses that the evangelium and the cross hold a mirror to people, in which they are confronted radically with their own violence. Everyone has their own scapegoats. Stronger: scapegoats define each and everyones identity.
(B*premisse)
Christian conversion means that people dare to face their own violence.
A famous example would be the first stage performance by Susan Boyle, an unemployed frumpy housewife, ridiculed by the audience and the viewer at home and afterwards still got a standing ovation. Judging member Amanda phrased is thus:“I’m so thrilled because I know that everybody was against you. We are all so cynical but that was a complete wakeup call!”
The christian faith oversteps and offers an alternative.
(C*presumption:)
If humanity is religious by nature, as exemplified by our now-adays idol-cult, than the christian alternative would make a seamless connection with it.
It calls on humanity to consciously place J.C. as non-violent example centerstage and to follow suite.
So His divinity does not come to be from channeling/guiding violence but in the recognition of ones own sin-goat violence.
Authentic believe in Jesus Christ means that he makes the difference in a non-violent manor/way.
Jesus became sin-goat and victim, so no others victims would be needed.
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We discussed the violence of the crusades, of evangelising, of building empires, of Jesus rudeboy scapegoating stance. The scapegoating that happened for centuries of the jews. The scapegaoting now of muslims and vice versa. And the interfaith started out with blaming itself for egging on believers to go at other faiths and individulas(the shoa and crusades), but later it revokes and states it was neo-paganism. So now we have the child-abuse this interview alludes to.
But should the conclusion not be that jesus takes the underdog position that provides the very template for scape-goating others. Is christian identity about emulating his scape-goating?
The scape goat was innocent of sin.
And the sinless Jesus is what man is to emulate.

““You must not lose faith ”

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Maat, your post does not make rational sense.
You lack understanding of what you read.
God took full responsibility for creating man, and the fall of man.
God sent Jesus into the world to be man's savior.
The Church doors are open to anyone who wishes to receive Jesus Christ, the savior of man.
No shammasceptic.
I took two salient parts.
Fre choic means god is ultimately not responsible and we thank him for free choice and life i general.
But what you write now shows you do not understand the very pieces you posted.

The same goes for Alex quoting judges with a huge portion of scapegoating in it who failed to notice that YHWH and Moses made a mutual deal in provinding a home, people and land to both.
That however due to unfavourable acts (atonement needed)none of that generation would inherit the land.
The point is that it falls under JUDGES and we've never proven such an attack to have happened for real, so all a good deal more peacefull. But it was probably written in a time when might was ownership. The nation-building of Judah in hyperbolic language.

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rabbee: so all-h is no different than any other tribal g-d, or territorial arc-demon?
Correct rabbee.

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rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: sorry but even you or baal hamolech G-D hates, has any real authority or expertease to speak on my or G-D behalf here in TheTorah. your not being here in ThisStory of Creation again, does not give you the athority to speak for anyone else not here in TheTorah either. no amount of mental dissapearing magic, can make up for your mental failure to be here in TheTorah agains. i am only taking roll call for those mentally here in TheTorah, and you are mentally absent magic minded.
You need to re-think rabbee, you are speaking from out of The Torah.
Get back in The Torah then comment.

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