Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 Full story: The Brussels Journal 201,984

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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#164177 Feb 17, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
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Simple Shamma...I have been there..Done it...Worn the T'shirt...and I KNOW it is ALL a SHAM.
You are probably that "sheep" of a congregation member naively waiting for your shepherd to DIE for you!!
Only Shepherd who will die for sheep is a loony nutcase shepherd.
His job is to make sure he is ALIVE and WELL to take care of the darn sheep!!!!
Let me tell you...
Jesus is NOT God.
This is a lie pumped by the establishment for the uneducated, impressionable, low IQ peasants who all went "baaaaa"..."baa ah" "baal" like the proverbial sheep!
The ACID TEST is this...
When did Jesus make any DIRECT claim that he was God who took on human form as his son to die for the sins of gentiles and through his death/sacrifice and by accepting it...people can have eteranl ife?
NEVER..
Worshipping Jesus is the result of Satan's work.
By making YOU worship Jesus, Satan makes sure that Jesus suffers in Hell as a false prophet and seducer.
Stop worshipping him if you really love him.
End of...
Alone of all the beliefs of mankind, whether religious or political or philosophical,“Christianity (including its Old Testament foundations) is based upon historical acts and facts. Other religions are centered in the ethical and religious teachings of their founders, but Christianity is built on the great events of creation and redemption”(Henry Moris, Many Infallible Proofs, Creation Life Publishers, p. 10).

The Moslem faith is based on the teaching of Mohammed. Buddhism is based on the teachings on a man who was called Buddha. Confucianism on the teachings of Confucius. Marxism on the teachings of Karl Marx, and evolution on the teachings of Darwin. Not one of these is based on the observation of historical data or facts, but on the teachings and theories of men. Remember, evolution is based on theory and not on observable data.

Christianity, however is founded, not on what Jesus taught (and this distinction is vital for us to grasp) but on who Jesus is and on what Jesus did. Believers, of course, stand on Christ’s teachings. No one ever spoke and taught like Jesus, but the value of what He said was dependent on who He was and what He did. This gave the teachings of Christ authority and placed them all alone in the category of absolute truth.

All other beliefs are based on the teachings and ideas of men who were nothing more than men. No matter how brilliant or appealing they may be to some, there is no guarantee of their objectivity, accuracy, or ultimate ability to deliver what they promise (cf. Col. 2:20-23).

Christianity (in its beliefs and tenants) alone is based on historical and objective facts rather than the subjective ideas of man. Its truthfulness stands on the validity of historical records which are subject to investigation and examination.

Because the resurrection gives assurance to all, because it is the proof of His person and work, it also becomes the condemnation of all other religions, philosophies of men, and all who do not know the Lord Jesus as the their personal Savior by faith. The resurrection stands as either our proof of one’s justification or as one’s condemnation. It becomes a proof of a coming day of reckoning, a day when God will reckon with mankind on the basis of the perfect righteousness of Jesus Christ.

But for the believer in Christ, it is the proof of a coming day of examination and rewards to be followed by days without end of eternal bliss and joy in the presence of God.

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#164178 Feb 17, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
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If you mean, a brainwashed moronic member of the "sheep" clan, then NO!!!
And I KNOW you never understood the Gospels!
You have no idea who Jesus was.
Jesus certainly was NOT God of all creation.
May be your mangod is a tiny little local "godfather" but even that is not true as your guy had no real authority on earth...he was a fugitive...
You are an impressionable....errr ignoramus.
BU-ford...with all the best will in the world..you have a long way to go yet...
- If your mangod "forgave" sins, then why the HELL did he kill himself for the sins of "gentiles" who were DOGS and PIGS to him?
He could have simply said..."Hey mankind..you are forgiven and I am off back to daddfy"!!!
Even worse...your callous mangod lured the poor JEWS to get him MURDERED!!
Surely based just on that bit of premeditation....your mangod is a deceiver extraordinaire!
- now you know why I have to repeat. You refuse to learn!
- You keep saying God can do what "he" wills....while all the time you keep MEANING..."God will do what i will"!!!
Reflect on this...realise your folly...embrace islam...the only answer to your problems..
Bless...
Embrace the falsehoods of Islam?
Never!
You are an example of the ignorance of Muslims.
You refuse to be corrected by God.

The false god of Islam said to Adam and Eve:
" (Allah) said: "Get both down with enmity between yourselves (mankind).
Meaning of enmity- hostility, antagonism, animosity, rancor, antipathy, animus
These nouns refer to the feeling or expression of deep-seated ill will. Enmity is hatred such as might be felt for an enemy: the wartime enmity of the two nations.

Like a fool Alex, you are living your life spreading enmity between your follow human beings.

Look around Alex.
The only semblance of peace Muslims have in this world is their living among peoples in a free country.
Muslims that live under the rule of Islamic law in Muslims countries are always at war with each other.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#164180 Feb 17, 2013
Lady Gaga would be an idol, even speculated as presidential candidate and even when she is not the news it's f.i. a man that had a sex-change to change into her.
Jesus has this same status of idol for christian believers.
But was he an impotent victim though aware like Natascha Kampusch, a sacrificial lamb as in victim persé or a scapegoat. Since the trial was a sham and the reaction of the people enlarged in the frame of our perpective.

A.)Or did he face the violence as mirror to face his own violent tendencies. That would be the main theme of the thesis.

Girard stresses that the evangelium and the cross hold a mirror to people, in which they are confronted radically with their own violence. Everyone has their own scapegoats. Stronger: scapegoats define each and everyones identity.
(B*premisse)
Christian conversion means that people dare to face their own violence.

A famous example would be the first stage performance by Susan Boyle, an unemployed frumpy housewife, ridiculed by the audience and the viewer at home and afterwards still got a standing ovation. Judging member Amanda phrased is thus:“I’m so thrilled because I know that everybody was against you. We are all so cynical but that was a complete wakeup call!”

The christian faith oversteps and offers an alternative.
(C*presumption:)
If humanity is religious by nature, as exemplified by our now-adays idol-cult, than the christian alternative would make a seamless connection with it.

It calls on humanity to consciously place J.C. as non-violent example centerstage and to follow suite.
So His divinity does not come to be from channeling/guiding violence but in the recognition of ones own sin-goat violence.
Authentic believe in Jesus Christ means that he makes the difference in a non-violent manor/way.
Jesus became sin-goat and victim, so no others victims would be needed.
After 2000 years that message is still miles removed from being reality.

Starting with stage- and victim cultural imagery we can by symbolism of the sin-offer-goat theory make a connection with the christian story in which the vitim becomes the center of attention by demasquing (giving it a face/identity) the violence.
Paradox, the church with this centuries long radical, non-violent message, seems impotent to face it's own victims.

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And this would be the age-old question whether an individual can be held responsible for a (dead) instution. Or whether the tenets of the (dead) institution are responsible for the individuals behaviour.

Normally people go broke, the farm goes on and the next peple go broke, the farm goes on....
But is that, the same way we should treat religious institutions?

The Catholic church and believers have always left that unanswered.
But if we state the scurch to act paradoxically then why isn't it equally paradoxically of believers not identifying with the romans when they see their face in the mirror.
As transferrance of the non-violent message and identity of jesus.
(Which by the way by extention makes YHWH non-violent too.)
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Well a lot to contemplate and an entire frame.
I just translated parts from the interview and not the thesis itself.

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#164181 Feb 17, 2013
JOEL wrote:
SHAMMA,
Please shut up.
The crap preached by Jesus, the failed savior and fake messiah, is of no use.
Move on.
Go beyond Jesus intellectually, morally and experientially.
There is nothing beyond Jesus, intellectually, morally, and experientially, or other wise.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#164182 Feb 17, 2013
Shamseptic wrote:

The universal primordial faith that began with Adam and
Eve is based on Adam and Eve accepting Satan's trust over God.

The Quran says:Quran says (English meaning translation):
"O Adam! dwell you and your wife in the Garden, and enjoy (its good things) as you wish: but don't approach this tree, or you run into harm and transgression.
" Then began Satan to whisper suggestions to them, bringing openly before their minds all their shame that was hidden from them (before): he said:
"Your Lord only forbade you this tree, for not becoming angels or being alive for ever."
And he [Satan] swore to them both, that he was their sincere adviser.

By deceit, Satan brought about their fall: when they tasted of the tree, their shame became manifest to them, and they began to sew together the leaves of the garden over their bodies. And their Lord called them: "Did I not forbid you that tree, and tell you that Satan was an avowed enemy to you?" They said: "Our Lord! We have wronged our own souls: If you (Allah) don't forgive us and don't bestow upon us your Mercy, we shall certainly be lost." (Allah) said: "Get both down with enmity between yourselves (mankind). On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood,- for a time." He said: "Therein shall you live, and therein shall you die; but from it shall you be taken out (at last)."

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What i see is that the allready think for people and include the conclusion christianity had reached in retelling the story.
So as to remind you, it is not the jewish conclusion.
So theology wrapped and presented on a platter.
But why did Jesus die...ask any christian...because of the sin of adam and eve listening to the serpent shaitaning (whispering bad stuff in order to cast a negative picture). So they invented an actual person from a verb.

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#164183 Feb 17, 2013
Christ is the idol of prisoners so the theory might have merit.
But it means christians have to face their bad tendencies.

Since islam also embraces the idea of a prophet jesus, the same would go for them.

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#164184 Feb 17, 2013
MAAT wrote:
Shamseptic wrote:
The universal primordial faith that began with Adam and
Eve is based on Adam and Eve accepting Satan's trust over God.
The Quran says:Quran says (English meaning translation):
"O Adam! dwell you and your wife in the Garden, and enjoy (its good things) as you wish: but don't approach this tree, or you run into harm and transgression.
" Then began Satan to whisper suggestions to them, bringing openly before their minds all their shame that was hidden from them (before): he said:
"Your Lord only forbade you this tree, for not becoming angels or being alive for ever."
And he [Satan] swore to them both, that he was their sincere adviser.
By deceit, Satan brought about their fall: when they tasted of the tree, their shame became manifest to them, and they began to sew together the leaves of the garden over their bodies. And their Lord called them: "Did I not forbid you that tree, and tell you that Satan was an avowed enemy to you?" They said: "Our Lord! We have wronged our own souls: If you (Allah) don't forgive us and don't bestow upon us your Mercy, we shall certainly be lost." (Allah) said: "Get both down with enmity between yourselves (mankind). On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood,- for a time." He said: "Therein shall you live, and therein shall you die; but from it shall you be taken out (at last)."
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What i see is that the allready think for people and include the conclusion christianity had reached in retelling the story.
So as to remind you, it is not the jewish conclusion.
So theology wrapped and presented on a platter.
But why did Jesus die...ask any christian...because of the sin of adam and eve listening to the serpent shaitaning (whispering bad stuff in order to cast a negative picture). So they invented an actual person from a verb.
What is the Jewish conclusion Maat?

The Book of Job grapples with the difficult question of why God allows evil in the world. It is the only book in the Hebrew Bible that mentions "satan" as a sentient being.
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#164185 Feb 17, 2013
Shamma wrote:
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Muslims believe that Allah is one and incomparable and the purpose of existence is to love and serve Allah.[1][2] Muslims also believe that Islam is the complete and universal version of a primordial faith that was revealed at many times and places before, including through Abraham, Moses and Jesus, whom they consider prophets.[3] They maintain that the previous messages and revelations have been partially misinterpreted or altered over time,[4] but consider the Arabic Qur'an to be both the unaltered and the final revelation of Allah.
The primordial faith Alex, began in the garden of Eden with the creation of Adam and Eve by God.
The universal primordial faith that began with Adam and
Eve is based on Adam and Eve accepting Satan's trust over God.
The Quran says:Quran says (English meaning translation):
"O Adam! dwell you and your wife in the Garden, and enjoy (its good things) as you wish: but don't approach this tree, or you run into harm and transgression.
" Then began Satan to whisper suggestions to them, bringing openly before their minds all their shame that was hidden from them (before): he said:
"Your Lord only forbade you this tree, for not becoming angels or being alive for ever."
And he [Satan] swore to them both, that he was their sincere adviser.
By deceit, Satan brought about their fall: when they tasted of the tree, their shame became manifest to them, and they began to sew together the leaves of the garden over their bodies. And their Lord called them: "Did I not forbid you that tree, and tell you that Satan was an avowed enemy to you?" They said: "Our Lord! We have wronged our own souls: If you (Allah) don't forgive us and don't bestow upon us your Mercy, we shall certainly be lost." (Allah) said: "Get both down with enmity between yourselves (mankind). On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood,- for a time." He said: "Therein shall you live, and therein shall you die; but from it shall you be taken out (at last)."
So, according to the Quran, the primordial faith of human beings, from the beginning, is trusting in Satan; of which Islam claims Muhammad is the final prophet sent by Allah to preserve the faith in Satan as mans sincere adviser.
" (Allah) said: "Get both down with enmity between yourselves (mankind).
Synonyms: enmity, hostility, antagonism, animosity, rancor, antipathy, animus
These nouns refer to the feeling or expression of deep-seated ill will. Enmity is hatred such as might be felt for an enemy: the wartime enmity of the two nations.
But the true God, the creator of Human life sent Jesus to save us humans from allowing Satan to destroy the good created in man by God.
Sorry Alex, Islam chose the wrong God.
Cut it short, Skeptic!

The crux of the matter is that by deceit, Satan inspired the Church fathers to believe that Jesus was their God.

And Satan did not stop at that. He inspired them to argue and to create an absurd God, which had to be something new and Satanic. By further deceit, Satan made them to come up with Trinity.

It is interesting to note that Satan never left the Church and her fathers alone.

Sorry, Shamma, Christianity has the most absurd God, which does not exist.

The best part is that Jesus is not on record for saying any nonsense the Church came up with.

You can never get the right God, so live with the 3-in-1 abomination and monstrosity, that you been sold by the Satanic Church and her Satanic minions, known as the church fathers.
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#164186 Feb 17, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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So, you prefer the BS of creation from nothing as expressed by Muhammad the fallen prophet? Expected.
I think that you and BMZ (Singapore) are crypto-Jews since no true Muslim would ever insult Jesus and Mary the way you guys do.
Are both of you online Zionist disinfo agents and shills?
I think so.
Why do you think so? You are not clueless. You know what is going on here. Right? This is not a place to be Mr. Nice with hardcore Jesus freaks and goons.

Actually, we never insult the true son of Mary, Joel.

We run down Christianity, her scripture and the biblical Jesus only in response to ridiculous and insulting posts from the hardcore Jesus Freaks, the Christian polemicists, who write rubbish against the Prophet, Qur'aan and Islam.

You know well that I believe in an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. The Zionists do not even care a damn about the biblical Jesus. To them, Jesus never existed.

Leaving the ME conflict and politics aside, Islam is extremely close to Judaism but has nothing to do with Christianity, which is full of absurdities and lies against the man Jesus.

So, sit back, relax, have a juice and enjoy the posts.
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#164187 Feb 17, 2013
Shamma wrote:
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There is nothing beyond Jesus, intellectually, morally, and experientially, or other wise.
What about the Father and the Holy Ghost? Do they fall short of those qualities, Top Clown of the Church Circus?

You are more hilarious than the men, who penned the New Testament.

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#164188 Feb 17, 2013
bmz wrote:
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Cut it short, Skeptic!
The crux of the matter is that by deceit, Satan inspired the Church fathers to believe that Jesus was their God.
And Satan did not stop at that. He inspired them to argue and to create an absurd God, which had to be something new and Satanic. By further deceit, Satan made them to come up with Trinity.
It is interesting to note that Satan never left the Church and her fathers alone.
Sorry, Shamma, Christianity has the most absurd God, which does not exist.
The best part is that Jesus is not on record for saying any nonsense the Church came up with.
You can never get the right God, so live with the 3-in-1 abomination and monstrosity, that you been sold by the Satanic Church and her Satanic minions, known as the church fathers.
You are not accepting the truth.
Islam is a false religion.

Your negative remarks about Christianity are a cover up to hide the fact that Muslims refuse to be corrected by God.

The idea that Sharia law was sent down to Muhammad by God is a falsehood.

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#164189 Feb 17, 2013
bmz wrote:
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What about the Father and the Holy Ghost? Do they fall short of those qualities, Top Clown of the Church Circus?
You are more hilarious than the men, who penned the New Testament.
You are void of God being in your life.

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#164190 Feb 17, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>What is the Jewish conclusion Maat?
The Book of Job grapples with the difficult question of why God allows evil in the world. It is the only book in the Hebrew Bible that mentions "satan" as a sentient being.
Job is about the theodicy issue: if god was real and good than why would he allow bad in the world.
The message is : thank god.

Job is also the only book with some arab words in it. But theodicy is written about in all cultures and under all gods.
But the hebrew part, text critically the original, is quite short.
So the now longstretched middle is of a later date.
You should read Ingersoll.
Hashaitan at most would be: the evil testimony, verb: gossiping with the intent to villify.
When it occurs it is usually in the sence of those that badmouth us, that tell lies about us, that can not be reasoned with and by extension opponent.
Not some bat-angel with a tail and horns.

I've allready written about adam and eve pages ago.
And about the act not making the people evil or giving them some stamp forever and ever. Dualism was out.
Had entire debates about it with nonquiter.
I only came back on a few weeks ago, so backtracking should be easy.
But i would draw your attention to the last post on the former page and to let your mind think about that. It's an excerpt of a theological thesis. The nature of jesus and by extension god as the church and it's paradoxical behaviour.
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#164191 Feb 17, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>You are void of God being in your life.
First you made a real Satanic statement as follows:

Shamma wrote: "There is nothing beyond Jesus, intellectually, morally, and experientially, or other wise."

In response to that, I wrote:

"What about the Father and the Holy Ghost? Do they fall short of those qualities, Top Clown of the Church Circus?

You are more hilarious than the men, who penned the New Testament."

In fact, you are void Of God but are full of Satan and that is why you think there is nothing beyond that man, Jesus. That is extremely idiotic.

You can only see that man but you are unable to see the LORD Almighty God, who created that man.

Don't let Satan in-dwell or dwell in you. Kick Satan out.
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#164192 Feb 17, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>You are not accepting the truth.
Islam is a false religion.
Your negative remarks about Christianity are a cover up to hide the fact that Muslims refuse to be corrected by God.
The idea that Sharia law was sent down to Muhammad by God is a falsehood.
Talk to us only after you get the correct God. Right now, you have foolishly made a man your God.

How can you make the man Jesus, your God, when that man kept crying out to God and most of the time, talked about God.

And the biggest joke is that the man never said, "I am God".

There is nothing positive about Christianity. It is full of lies, distortion, forgeries and misinformation.

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#164193 Feb 17, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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Job is about the theodicy issue: if god was real and good than why would he allow bad in the world.
The message is : thank god.
Job is also the only book with some arab words in it. But theodicy is written about in all cultures and under all gods.
But the hebrew part, text critically the original, is quite short.
So the now longstretched middle is of a later date.
You should read Ingersoll.
Hashaitan at most would be: the evil testimony, verb: gossiping with the intent to villify.
When it occurs it is usually in the sence of those that badmouth us, that tell lies about us, that can not be reasoned with and by extension opponent.
Not some bat-angel with a tail and horns.
I've allready written about adam and eve pages ago.
And about the act not making the people evil or giving them some stamp forever and ever. Dualism was out.
Had entire debates about it with nonquiter.
I only came back on a few weeks ago, so backtracking should be easy.
But i would draw your attention to the last post on the former page and to let your mind think about that. It's an excerpt of a theological thesis. The nature of jesus and by extension god as the church and it's paradoxical behaviour.
I read all of those articles.
They are mostly written by those that don't believe in Jesus.
The bottom line in Christianity is the historical fact of the resurrection of Jesus.
Here is a worth while link on did God create evil?
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/676...

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#164194 Feb 17, 2013
Did God Create “Evil”?
By Wayne Jackson

“If God is only good, how is it that the Bible says that he created ‘evil’(Isaiah 45:7)?”

In order to get the feel of Isaiah 45:7, at least a slightly larger portion of the immediate context needs to be surveyed. The prophet, on behalf of the Lord, wrote:

“I am Jehovah, and there is none else; besides me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known me; that they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none besides me: I am Jehovah, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil. I am Jehovah, who does all these things”(Isa. 45:5-7).

Beginning in the previous chapter, and continuing into the present one, the Lord had argued the case for his sovereignty over the nations — particularly his right to deal with his chosen people, the nation of Israel. Jehovah had blessed the nation wonderfully, but his people had rejected him time and time again, giving themselves over to the worship of idols — dumb idols that had no power to bless. In this vain worship, the Hebrews had evinced an incredible lack of understanding. As a result, the kingdom of Judah would have to be punished (in the period of Babylonian captivity). Eventually, though, the Lord would forgive his people, and bring them back into their land again.

The providential instrument in accomplishing this momentous task would be a Persian king, Cyrus by name, whose presence upon the earth was yet a century and a half in the future. In was in connection with the role of Cyrus in the divine plan, that the dramatic declaration of 45:5-7 was made.

In this announcement several important truths are stated:

The Lord God is unique; no idol can begin to compare with him.
By his power, and in the utilization of the mysterious modes of providence, Jehovah would “gird”(i.e., empower) Cyrus. He would equip him for the task that he was to accomplish.
Though the Persian commander was unacquainted with the true God, that fact would not hinder the Lord’s use of the ruler.
As a result of Jehovah’s orchestration of this feat involving the release of his people, his holy name would be glorified from the east to the west, i.e., throughout the earth.
The Lord’s uniqueness would be apparent.
Jehovah’s creative and providential powers stand as evidences of his divine identity.

It was in association with this final declaration that God said:“I make peace, and create evil.” In order to understand this statement, it must be viewed in concert with the overall affirmations of Scripture relative to the character of the Lord.

Jehovah is absolutely holy (Isa. 6:3; Rev. 4:8),“his work is perfect,”“all his ways are just,” he is a Being of “faithfulness” who is “without iniquity,” and is both “just and right”(Dt. 32:4). Moral evil cannot be attributed to the Creator in any way (Hab. 1:13; Jas. 1:13-14).
The Flexible Nature of Words

Any serious student of language is aware of the fact that words are flexible vehicles of communication. This principle is no less true of the Bible than it is of any piece of literature.

For example, the term “God” may refer to a Being who is truly divine in nature (Jn. 1:1), or the same word may be employed of a false object of worship that is void of the essence of deity (1 Cor. 8:4-6). The verb “believed” may reflect nothing more than a superficial emotion (Jn. 12:42), or it may represent a genuine conviction that is expressed in obedience (Acts 2:41,44). There is none “righteous”(Rom. 3:10), yet Joseph, the husband of Mary was “righteous”(Mt. 1:19). It is wrong to “judge”(Mt. 7:1); it is right to “judge”(Jn. 7:24). One cannot be justified by “works”(Eph. 2:9), yet justification is obtained by “works”(Jas. 2:24).

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#164195 Feb 17, 2013
Well what did you expect BMZ.;)
We've seen this happening countless times.

it's as if the only choices are 114 with pages unreferenced stuff to disarm or this kind of suicide by running into the wall.

--And mind i am really interested in what people think of that thesis.
Well another strange one, as in note the sources used and calling it 'evidence'.
When he discusses the hidden Messiah, Mowinckel musters evidence from such diverse
texts as Justin Martyr (304), 2 Esdras (305), the Gospel of John (305), Midrash Tehillim
(305&#150;6), the Targumim (306), and Revelation (307). But why must the Messiah be
&#147;hidden&#148;? Mowinckel answers this most central of all questions thusly,
This is probably how most Jews would have answered the question. Sufficient
penance has not yet been done for the sins of Israel; and until there is genuine
conversion and obedience to the Law, the Messiah cannot &#147;be revealed&#148;. That is
precisely the reason why first of all there must come men who can evoke
penitence and conversion, and put all things in order, namely those forerunners of
the Messiah to whom we have referred.(308)
It is, in my estimation, insight such as this and a magisterial control of the material that
makes Mowinckel universally significant.
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Yeah some certainly would.
It's that diffusion of christianity and judaism again.
I just do not find it helpfull. The situation is not rosy since David had no progeny left and once your used doing without a king you get used to having g-d in yourself.
But that whole topic of penitence just sounds weird. As if jews do not have days of atonement especially
As if Mowinckle needs some more magisterial shoas.

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#164196 Feb 17, 2013
Continued:
Did God Create “Evil”?
Examples of this nature are almost endless. A word is defined, in great measure, by how it is used in a certain setting — in its context. This is a fundamental principle of language interpretation.
The Varied Use of “Evil” in the Scriptures
As with many other words, the term “evil” can have more than one meaning, depending upon the manner in which it is used. The Hebrew word for evil is ra’, which derives from a root meaning “to spoil” or “to break in pieces.”
Obviously, the term “evil” may be used with reference to sinful activities. Ezekiel rebuked Israel for her worship of idols (20:39), which rebellion was characterized as “evil”(vv. 43-44). Jesus once spoke of “evil thoughts” that produce a variety of ungodly actions, e.g., fornication, theft, murder, etc.(Mk. 7:21-23).
On the other hand,“evil” may refer to a disaster of some sort. In discussing the punishment that would be visited upon Israel for her wickedness, Isaiah declared:
“For you have trusted in your wickedness; you have said,‘No one sees me;’[but] your wisdom and your knowledge, it has perverted you, and you have said in your heart, I am, and there is no one else besides me. Therefore shall evil come upon you; you will not know the dawning thereof: and mischief shall fall upon you; you will not be able to put it away: and desolation shall come upon you suddenly, of which you know not.”(Isa. 47:10-11; emp. supplied).
Observe the parallelism in this text. The “evil” of verse 11a becomes the “mischief” and the “desolation” in the latter portion of the passage. The “evil” of which the prophet spoke, actually was the impending Babylonian captivity (see also Jer. 18:8).
Similarly, when the prophet Amos warned the northern kingdom of Israel of its eventual doom, he referred to that time of temporal judgment as the “evil day,” which, of course, ultimately was the Assyrian invasion (722/21 B.C.).
Sometimes “evil” can simply refer to physical infirmity. Solomon admonished those still in their youth to remember the Creator in the vigor of those early times of energy, because eventually the “evil” days come and the “years” take their physical toll (Eccl. 12:1). Some of those bodily ailments are then chronicled in the balance of the chapter (see vv. 3-7).
From the divine view point, therefore, such things as national judgments and physical degeneration are characterized as “evil” because all such hurtful human experiences ultimately are the result of humanity’s foolish choices to engage in “evil”(rebellion) against the Maker of men. Natural evils are the result of moral evil — not in every individual situation (consider, for instance, the case of the patriarch Job, and that of Christ as well)— but in a general, ultimate, cause-and-effect sense (cf. Rom. 5:12).
An Objection
Frequently it is alleged, however, that ultimately God is responsible for “evil”— for had he not created angels and men, the evil they have generated would not exist.
The logic employed in this objection is flawed, and the critic who makes it will scarcely stay with it in a consistent manner.
No greater compliment could have been paid to man than to have been created in the very image of God (Gen. 1:26-27). A part of that “creation package” was the gift of personal volition, that is, the ability to make moral choices. There are only two logical possibilities — one might be created with “free will,” or without “free will.”
Now which option is the obvious expression of love (cf. 1 Jn. 4:8). The former, of course. The Lord thus signally honored human beings by granting them the personal power of choice. Once such action was taken, the Creator is not morally culpable if the gift of choice is abused, and the possessor thereof elects to pursue the road of danger and destruction.

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#164197 Feb 17, 2013
Mind Mowinckle answers the question pretending to understand judaism or how they think.
And is considered important because he opens that path to evangelising jews.

Exactly what the catholic church interfaith conference how now done away with.

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