Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 253962 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#163825 Feb 16, 2013
Shear power wrote:
can you prove a single verse in the quran to be wrong or illogical?
Qur'an 67:3 "We created seven heavens, one above the other. Muhammad, can you see any fault in Ar-Rahman's creation? Look again: Can you see any rifts or fissures? Then look again and yet again. Your gaze turns back dazed and tired. We have adorned the lowest skies with lamps, and We have made them missiles to drive away the devils and against the stone Satans, and for them We have prepared the doom of Hell and the penalty of torment in the most intense Blazing Fire."
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No doubt the recent meteoroid that entered Russian airspace and exploded drove away LOTS of devils and stone Satans who are now headed for torment in the most intense Blazing Fire of Islamic hell. I mean, it's entirely logical...
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#163826 Feb 16, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
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It is not easy to find very incompetent Jews.
They are clever industrious hard working and very competent.
Experts have finally traced just one VERY incompetent person who lived about 2000 years ago.
This Jew was so incompetent that he could not even convince his own Jewish people that he was their Messiah.
Rumour has it that this incompetent Jew is now being worshipped by ignorant Pagan Gentiles as their God.
If you want to be the God of the ignorant Pagan Gentiles, you got to, first, be a Very incompetent Jew.
Put another way:
VERY Incompetent Jew = God of the ignorant Pagan Gentiles!
Damn! Aren't you the clever one! You've figured it all out!

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

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#163828 Feb 16, 2013
Shear power wrote:
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can you prove a single verse in the quran to be wrong or illogical?
The question stands to PaulVW and i agree that he should first familiarise himself with the subjectmatter because this is ridicoulous.
But i´ve been known to proof an entire chapter wriong and illogical.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#163829 Feb 16, 2013
Buford wrote:
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Qur'an 67:3 "We created seven heavens, one above the other. Muhammad, can you see any fault in Ar-Rahman's creation? Look again: Can you see any rifts or fissures? Then look again and yet again. Your gaze turns back dazed and tired. We have adorned the lowest skies with lamps, and We have made them missiles to drive away the devils and against the stone Satans, and for them We have prepared the doom of Hell and the penalty of torment in the most intense Blazing Fire."
__________
No doubt the recent meteoroid that entered Russian airspace and exploded drove away LOTS of devils and stone Satans who are now headed for torment in the most intense Blazing Fire of Islamic hell. I mean, it's entirely logical...
No wonder, Paul could not go beyond the third heaven. That was the limit of the Christian heaven or perhaps, the post after which Christ worshippers could not penetrate the heavens any further.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#163830 Feb 16, 2013
Shear power wrote:
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can you prove a single verse in the quran to be wrong or illogical?
Buford can quote verses, which are easily understood by all but he is always unable to comprehend. That is the problem with him. We are trying our level best to educate him.

He can easily understand the term 'seven seas' but finds it extremely difficult to understand what seven heavens mean.

We will fix that too.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#163831 Feb 16, 2013
bmz wrote:
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No wonder, Paul could not go beyond the third heaven. That was the limit of the Christian heaven or perhaps, the post after which Christ worshippers could not penetrate the heavens any further.
Christians tend to think that they did not have the same worldview in the days. And judaism also has some weird shapes to cope with when it comes to the boundaries of heaven and earth. Or take the sefiroth, kabalah, not everyones cup of tea.
But seventh heaven or even nine represent states of exaltedness.
Which seems to be the ultimate goal afterall.

Since: May 12

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#163832 Feb 16, 2013
bmz wrote:
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Buford can quote verses, which are easily understood by all but he is always unable to comprehend. That is the problem with him. We are trying our level best to educate him.
He can easily understand the term 'seven seas' but finds it extremely difficult to understand what seven heavens mean.
We will fix that too.
This world is full of seas, so the terms 7 seas make much sense.

In other hand, no Muslim here has ever explained what 7 heavens and 7 earths means.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#163833 Feb 16, 2013
bmz wrote:
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Buford can quote verses, which are easily understood by all but he is always unable to comprehend. That is the problem with him. We are trying our level best to educate him.
He can easily understand the term 'seven seas' but finds it extremely difficult to understand what seven heavens mean.
We will fix that too.
And we´ve got a psychologist on board to fix the damage.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#163834 Feb 16, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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This world is full of seas, so the terms 7 seas make much sense.
In other hand, no Muslim here has ever explained what 7 heavens and 7 earths means.
One must have. grin

The thing is that those seas are however connected in one worldspanning ocean.
I´ll bet it´s the same with those heavens and earths.

Have some more reading to do. What´s the estimate for an answer==questionmark lol
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#163835 Feb 16, 2013
Shear power wrote:
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can you prove a single verse in the quran to be wrong or illogical?
Yes, it says Abraham offered ishmael instead of Isaac. Major fail!

Since: Apr 11

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#163836 Feb 16, 2013
bmz wrote:
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Cut that crap out, please. I have already demolished this Word Of God. Mark, Luke, Matthew, Paul, Peter, James and the whole bunch died with out hearing about this ridiculous Word of God.
Read my post again and please prepare a proper rebuttal, if you can and I know you cannot.
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TT8...
The 'Word of God', according to John, stands DismisseD!
Your brain is to small to accept the truth.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#163837 Feb 16, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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This world is full of seas, so the terms 7 seas make much sense.
In other hand, no Muslim here has ever explained what 7 heavens and 7 earths means.
I knew some one will come and put forward a silly argument.

"I have travelled the seven seas." What does that mean to you?

There are a few oceans and plenty of seas in the world. Which seven seas were on your mind?

In ancient languages, seven meant many.

Have you ever asked a Christian about this? Today, I, a Muslim, will make you understand by giving this extract:

"21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked,“Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”

22 Jesus answered,“I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times "

What did Jesus mean by that? Up to seventy-seven times? Is that what you think? Does it mean that you keep a count of the number of times you forgave your brother? Does it also mean that on the 78th time, you don't forgive?

Seven, seventy and seven hundred in Semitic languages, means many.

Since: May 12

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#163838 Feb 16, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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The thing is that those seas are however connected in one worldspanning ocean.
Although this is true, but that's the way men called and divided the seas.

I want to see the Muslims came up with an exhaustive answer about the 7 earths and 7 heavens.

If you will answer me that the same way men called and divided the seas, Muslims did with earths and heavens then I have to suggest you to read the Quran.

Meantime I wait for a Muslim to give the answer.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#163839 Feb 16, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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When i make a statement like that i at least include some verses and look up if they are weak or strong fiqh...but you sound like a parrot.
No need to post verses for a reading of the koran would prove my contention. allah always bowed his will to the will of mohammad.

Why does allah have to decide with mohammad on a matter? Can't allah make a decision on his own?:

FROM THE QURAN - 33:36
"It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter, that they should [thereafter] have any choice about their affair. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has certainly strayed into clear error."

Did allah sit in consoltation with mohammad when making a decision? Is mohammad still advising allah?

allah never talked to mohammad, only a spirit did, so how did allah and mohammad make a decision together or was mohammad allow to make his own dicisions and impose them on the people? The quran is illogical, makes no sense.

Since: May 12

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#163840 Feb 16, 2013
bmz wrote:
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Seven, seventy and seven hundred in Semitic languages, means many.
Never heard that in semetic language seven, seven hundred means many.

Also since when you're an expert in semetic language when barely know arabic, and out of this world there are many semitic languages, not just arabic or hebrew.

Said this, indicate me what are these "many" heavens?
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#163841 Feb 16, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
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Yes, it says Abraham offered ishmael instead of Isaac. Major fail!
Qur'aan does not say that it was Ishmael. It does not name the kid.

We say that because there was no sign of Issac for years, when Ishmael was there and Ishmael was the first-born of Abraham.

So, what is so great about Issac and where does Jesus fit in between Jacob and Esau?

Issac's mother was the Woman of Promise, according to Christian terms. Right?
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#163842 Feb 16, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Qur'aan does not say that it was Ishmael. It does not name the kid.
We say that because there was no sign of Issac for years, when Ishmael was there and Ishmael was the first-born of Abraham.
So, what is so great about Issac and where does Jesus fit in between Jacob and Esau?
Issac's mother was the Woman of Promise, according to Christian terms. Right?
So muslims just make up the claim the kid was ishmael and not Isaac. So which is it?

Since: Apr 11

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#163843 Feb 16, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
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The Holy Quran clarifies superstitions and moon worship beautifully....
002:189
Moon....
They ask thee concerning the New Moons. Say: They are but signs to mark fixed periods of time in (the affairs of) men, and for Pilgrimage.
(Just manage with it to keep time until The Patek Caliber 89 or 1942 Rolex Chronograph or Rolex GMT ICE or even Rolex Oyster Perpetual Day Dater arrives!)
Superstitions....
It is no virtue if ye enter your houses from the back:
(as do the idolaters at certain seasons), but the righteous man is he who wardeth off (evil). Enter houses through the proper doors: and observe your duty to Allah, that ye may be successful.
Those verses confirm Muslims were worshiping the moon god Allah.
The advice was given by Muhammad not from God
It was not a revelation, it was common sense.
There is a parallel between those that worship the true God and a false god.
Much of the word usage is the same in worship, except they are different gods.

Allah in the Quran reveals himself differently then the God of the Bible.

That is why the Jews and Christians rejected Muhammad, they knew the difference between Muhammad's moon god and the God of Abraham, and Moses.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#163844 Feb 16, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
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No need to post verses for a reading of the koran would prove my contention. allah always bowed his will to the will of mohammad.
Why does allah have to decide with mohammad on a matter? Can't allah make a decision on his own?:
FROM THE QURAN - 33:36
"It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter, that they should [thereafter] have any choice about their affair. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has certainly strayed into clear error."
Did allah sit in consoltation with mohammad when making a decision? Is mohammad still advising allah?
allah never talked to mohammad, only a spirit did, so how did allah and mohammad make a decision together or was mohammad allow to make his own dicisions and impose them on the people? The quran is illogical, makes no sense.
Actually, the Church should send us some peers, so that we can have some good exchanges.

33:36 along with other verses, goes wayyyyyyyy above the head of Clueless Christians.

People used to ask the prophet questions. many used to ask extremely silly and absurd questions like the stupid disciples of Jesus asked him.

When they did, Jesus gave the reply in figuratives and parables, which went metres high above their heads and they did not understand.

Those, who put questions to him, were told to ask questions when he was receiving revelations. So, the answer was given through revelation and since they were given via revelations, they were told to listen, consider the matter settled and follow.

This was done to discourage silly and absurd questions and arguments, which the people asked Moses and Jesus and annoyed them.

Now, don't ask me any silly question. Consider this matter settled.

Since: Apr 11

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#163845 Feb 16, 2013
MAAT wrote:
<quoted text>
One must have. grin
The thing is that those seas are however connected in one worldspanning ocean.
I´ll bet it´s the same with those heavens and earths.
Have some more reading to do. What´s the estimate for an answer==questionmark lol
In Medieval Arabian usage and literature

The Arabs and their near neighbours considered the Seven Seas &#1576;&#1581;&#15 75;&#1585; &#1575;&#1604;&#15 93;&#1575;&#1604;& #1605; &#1548; &#1587;&#1576;&#15 93;&#1577; &#1575;&#1604;&#15 76;&#1581;&#1575;& #1585; to be the seas that they encountered in their voyages to The East. They were trading routes in ancient times and since the time of the Prophet Mohammed, they are the places where Islam spread and is widely practised.
the Persian Gulf — The Sea of Fars (or Pars)
the Gulf of Khambhat — The Sea of Larwi (Gujarat, India)
the Bay of Bengal — The Sea of Harkand
the Strait of Malacca — The Sea of Kalah (Between Sumatra and Malaya)
the Singapore Strait — The Sea of Salahit
the Gulf of Thailand — The Sea of Kardanj
the South China Sea — The Sea of Sanji

Their "Arabian seven seas" &#1576;&#1581;&#15 75;&#1585; &#1575;&#1604;&#15 93;&#1575;&#1604;& #1605; &#1548; &#1587;&#1576;&#15 93;&#1577; &#1575;&#1604;&#15 76;&#1581;&#1575;& #1585; must also have considered other important seas nearby which were navigated by Arabian and Phoenician seafarers:
the Black Sea
the Caspian Sea
the Arabian Sea
the Indian Ocean
the Red Sea
the Mediterranean Sea
the Adriatic Sea

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