Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Brussels Journal

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Paul WV wrote:
Ha, no ishmael!
Ishmael will always remain like a fish bone stuck between the dentures of your Church.

Actually, it does not matter much to me, if you deny Ishmael being in the Covenant with Issac. He was the 2nd person of the Greatest Covenant of Losing Foreskin. Issac did not even exist when that happened.

Now, what was the Covenant with Issac?

Was it as follows?

"My covenant with you is that I will give you a wild hairy one and another hairless." Was Jacob bald?

How does Jesus fit in this patch here?
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STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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Even if you change the subjects the meaning rest the same, unfortunately for you.
Can you not understand that this verse is so vague and that give too much power to Muhammad?
If you have to believe to the policemen or judge then one of them can order you to go with them and kill someone.
How you know are obeying to the ruler of the land, and not to the will of the policemen or judge ?
It will be wise to the ruler of the land to come in the open and tell to who people have to obey, and under which matter.
Those important things are missing, and this means that whatever idiocy Muhammad can came out with you have to obey.
Not to speak that the folks knew about this ruler of the land, say Allah, through Muhammad. So actually you don't know for sure the ruler gave to him such power.
"He who obeys the Messenger obeys Allah."
He who obeyed Moses at that time Obeyed God.
He who obeyed Jesus at that time obeyed God.
We need a human guide to help us understand and follow the set of instructions.
They are just tools.
We do not worship them.
As Muhammed pbuh, was sent as the final prophet for all mankind we believe we must listen to what he said!!
If you can listen to many people during your lifetime, why not listen to the greatest of human beings ever?
A Muslim is very clear about his GOD.
That God is NOT Muhammed.
We worship our CREATOR and NOT the creation.

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We believe that Islam is for ALL humans.
Support your belief.
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text> We believe that Adam was the FIRST human and the "father" of ALL humans.
God create men out of nothing is a BS

I may believe that my villa is 1 km distant from the moon. Does that mean is true?
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text> We believe that Adam submitted to the Will of God.
How do you know where you present in that very moment?
Also you can believe what you want, but should understand that opinions are opinions, let's use facts instead.
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<quoted text> Therefore, by definition Adam is a Muslim.
No Adam cannot be muslim for a series of reasons. The meaning of the word muslim is misleading, under that definition anyone who believe in god is a muslim, hence, Christians, Jews and so on.

In today world a Muslim is the one who follow Islam, Quran and believe in Allah,(the god Muhammad came out with) is the one who created the universe, and Muhammad is his prophet.

This is a muslim, and Adam if existed was certainly not a muslim.
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Even unschooled folks have quoted God as saying, ""I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living."
However, neither Jesus nor any unschooled has said, "I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob".
So, what is the big deal about what Jesus quoted?
The Catechism of the Catholic Church is rubbish, junk and stuff. Everything from the Catholic Church is ridiculous and absurd, the most absurd being the Triune God.
Please try to answer each question. Go back and read my post.
Answered and proving rubbish.

If you want to know how Isaac fits into Salvation History read the Cathecism of the Catholic Church. This book has been approved of by God through the Keys given St Peter by Jesus.

Tell me about the goddesses mohammad wanted help from in the 'original' koran.
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bmz wrote:
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Ishmael will always remain like a fish bone stuck between the dentures of your Church.
Actually, it does not matter much to me, if you deny Ishmael being in the Covenant with Issac. He was the 2nd person of the Greatest Covenant of Losing Foreskin. Issac did not even exist when that happened.
Now, what was the Covenant with Issac?
Was it as follows?
"My covenant with you is that I will give you a wild hairy one and another hairless." Was Jacob bald?
How does Jesus fit in this patch here?
Read Galatians 4

Gal 4:28 Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30But what does the Scripture say?“Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”c 31Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
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Jesus quoted God as saying: "I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living." Mat 22:32 Ha, no ishmael!
Isaac is part of the tapistry of Salvation History. It was with Isaac that God made His first convenant with man. Jesus fulfilled the Law and the Prophets of this first convenant and made a new convenant with man. Salvation History can be found in the uncorrupt Holy Bible and you can go to the Cathechism of the Catholic Church for a detailed explanation of Salvation History.
Jesus was NOT talking to gentile christians!!
He was supposed to be talking to a few sects of Jews.
As he was supposed to have come from the line of Isaac, Jacob, Judah and David, he was referring to "his" God!
Jesus is just a man. he is NOT God.
Paul,, you have got a confused message about Jesus the Jew, from a bunch of nutcase gentiles who stole the Jewish books to make up their own god and you blindly follow that man made "church"!
Isaac knows nothing about a bunch of fools who worship a "dead" naked pagan man as their "god jesus".
If Isaac doesn't deny your lot immediately in the presence of God, he will also go to hell!!
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Islam or surrender to a higher principle is one of the many attributes of the human consciousness. The others are sincerity, attachment, love, devotion, discrimination, equanimity and so on.
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bmz wrote:
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Ishmael will always remain like a fish bone stuck between the dentures of your Church.
Actually, it does not matter much to me, if you deny Ishmael being in the Covenant with Issac. He was the 2nd person of the Greatest Covenant of Losing Foreskin. Issac did not even exist when that happened.
Now, what was the Covenant with Issac?
Was it as follows?
"My covenant with you is that I will give you a wild hairy one and another hairless." Was Jacob bald?
How does Jesus fit in this patch here?
Here St Paul words are prophetic for muslims today in how they try to lead us away from the true Gospel of Jesus as proclaimed by His saints/prophets of the NT.

Gal 4:
8 Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods. 9 But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces[d]? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.
17 Those people are zealous to win you over, but for no good. What they want is to alienate you from us, so that you may have zeal for them. 18 It is fine to be zealous, provided the purpose is good, and to be so always, not just when I am with you. 19 My dear children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you, 20 how I wish I could be with you now and change my tone, because I am perplexed about you!

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He who obeyed Moses at that time Obeyed God.
He who obeyed Jesus at that time obeyed God.
We need a human guide to help us understand and follow the set of instructions.
They are just tools.
We do not worship them.
As Muhammed pbuh, was sent as the final prophet for all mankind we believe we must listen to what he said!!
I thought I've been pretty clear with that post. You can put Jesus and Moses there, it does not change anything.
Muhammad came out with Allah. Muhammad told Allah said this and that... and one of the things he said Allah said was He who obey to Muhammad obey to Allah.

Why should anyone believe to such a claim?

Who tell us that all what Muhammad ordered to do even if semmed evil was the will of Allah?
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<quoted text> If you can listen to many people during your lifetime, why not listen to the greatest of human beings ever?
That's problem with you muslims. Reading the stories about him I can tell he was a terrorist, killer, thief, pedophile ect How such a person can be considered the greatest human ever by someone is creepy.
The BJ and Buddha were much greater than him. I think also the most of the people here in this forum are better than your prophet.
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Adam cannot be the first man on earth since in order to propagate the human race it would involve a most harmful eugenic practice such as incest among the progeny of Adam and Eve and among their incestuously born offspring and so on until, within a few generations, the human race would have developed serious genetic abnormalities leading to the complete degradation and ultimately to the extinction of the human family. Besides, in Genesis, it is narrated how the eldest son of Adam and Eve went to the village of Nod in search of a bride which indicates the presence of other human beings who existed along-with Adam, Eve and their progeny.
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Surrender could involve submission to an inferior entity as well.
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Did I say that send in my name means that this comforter should the same name of the Nazarene? This is what I have written last night.
"have you not read the words "send in my name", " Muhammad had nothing to do with Yeshua."
If you are unable to understand then it's better you stop discussing.
And yes to your surprise that "you" was referred to the apostoles and not to humans. Your lack of reading the Bible is make you pass for an ignorant fool.
Read this:
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Still, I am telling you the truth: it is for your own good that I am going, because unless I go, the Comforter will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.
Here instead Jesus is clearly saying that if he does not go, then the Comforter won't come to them. Them who? That relation indicates that the Comforter has to come SHORTLY after Jesus, and that it cannot come if Yeshua is still there, and not 6 or 7 centuries after him." So yes the disciples awaited for the comforter and no one else.
rabbee: adam and his mate chaooah (TheComforter) cannot return, untill after Adam is put to death on the-tree. it's still the same old story as the last time, G-D gave it all. adam and his mate, always return on the evening dawn of the third day of G-D, after adam is put to death. just prior to the last day of G-D, here in always TheSame Story from G-D. and we are going to have to do IT again, because the world never accepts being here in TheStory of Creation from G-D here in IT. which is why the world never has any peace, because they all reject being actually here in TheTorah from G-D. and the deluvian shall always happen again, because the whole world refuses to consider being here and now in TheTorah. the whole world has made themselves, inelegible for GanEden again in TheTorah actually.
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Allah is a minor being with shades of balance and unbalance in its nature.
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Thanks for the info, Rabbee. G-d must be some kind of a man in your theTorah.
I liked the last para and found it interesting. It tells me that Jesus was a married man, otherwise, folks would not have called him Rabbee.
rabbee: Adam is the ultimate Male and His Mate in OneFlesh. and TheShe part of Adam, is TheComforter portion of Adam. as always revealed, in the second coming of Adam. it's still the same story line as the last time G-D gave TheWhole Torah Accounting with Adam to adam and his mate chaooah.
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Support your belief.
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God create men out of nothing is a BS
I may believe that my villa is 1 km distant from the moon. Does that mean is true?
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How do you know where you present in that very moment?
Also you can believe what you want, but should understand that opinions are opinions, let's use facts instead.
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No Adam cannot be muslim for a series of reasons. The meaning of the word muslim is misleading, under that definition anyone who believe in god is a muslim, hence, Christians, Jews and so on.
In today world a Muslim is the one who follow Islam, Quran and believe in Allah,(the god Muhammad came out with) is the one who created the universe, and Muhammad is his prophet.
This is a muslim, and Adam if existed was certainly not a muslim.
I have no intention of wasting time with a clueless closet christian who knows nothing!

Almost every statement you make is utter nonsense!

We believe that Islam is for ALL humans, because we can clearly see that from Quran and Sunnah.

Your dumb claim about you not believing is irrelevant. You are another clueless time waster here! How do you tihnk this universe came about? From something or nothing?

Allow me to make an exception in your case. You created yourself!

We believe that "Adam" was the FIRST human and the "father" of ALL humans. Creation to me makes sense when we know how to define "creation".

Your villa might as well be 1 km from the moon because you are a lunatic Christian who worships a man.

We "believe" that Adam submitted to the Will of God. Billions of Muslims and believers have this "chip" in their CNS.

You were not there duiring big bang? May be you believe Jesus created the world!!

Yes, you can believe what you want.
You have no FACT as such, but your think that you are in possession of fact! You cannot even pinpoint the position of a single electron you fool!

To us Adam, Moses, Abraham and Jesus are Muslims. It is up to you what you wish to believe.

To you BJ is god but you are being a typical ex facsist coward, being unable to put your hands up and say..i am a catholic!!

The meaning of the word Muslim is NOT misleading, under that definition anyone who believes in GOD who CREATED Adam, Abraham, Moses and Jesus is a Muslim.
That GOD is not a slave to any tribe or race.
That GOD does NOT favour a select few tribes or races.
That GOD is not a naked man.
That GOD never took on human form or the son of anybody.
We have already given you the "touchstone of belief"

If any Christian or Jew confirms that he/she worships that GOD, then they are Muslims in our view and we will treat them accordingly!

Just because you make up your own definition of Muslim, why should "billion Muslims accept it?

Prove to us that you are not a closet coward of a christian:

Tell Paul (and us) that Jesus is not God.
Tell Paul (and us) that there is no God.
DENY that Jesus is THE Son of God and/or God and/or Messiah.

Thank you.
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rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: Adam is the ultimate Male and His Mate in OneFlesh. and TheShe part of Adam, is TheComforter portion of Adam. as always revealed, in the second coming of Adam. it's still the same story line as the last time G-D gave TheWhole Torah Accounting with Adam to adam and his mate chaooah.
rabbee: HaShem G-D always gives, the exact same story. no matter how much, you all mentally corrupt this in your own minds against G-D. the whole world is a liar, with their pretending to not be here in TheSame Precise Story again from G-D. the whole world is still making all the same mental mistakes, and expecting different physical results. and you cannot get out of this hell hole, you have all helped make. with the same kind of non-Torah thinking, that got you all into it.
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STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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I thought I've been pretty clear with that post. You can put Jesus and Moses there, it does not change anything.
Muhammad came out with Allah. Muhammad told Allah said this and that... and one of the things he said Allah said was He who obey to Muhammad obey to Allah.
Why should anyone believe to such a claim?
Who tell us that all what Muhammad ordered to do even if semmed evil was the will of Allah?
<quoted text>
That's problem with you muslims. Reading the stories about him I can tell he was a terrorist, killer, thief, pedophile ect How such a person can be considered the greatest human ever by someone is creepy.
The BJ and Buddha were much greater than him. I think also the most of the people here in this forum are better than your prophet.
Let us first clarify something with you...

Prove to us that you are not a closet coward of a christian:

Tell Paul (and us) that Jesus is not God.
Tell Paul (and us) that there is no God.
DENY that Jesus is THE Son of God and/or God and/or Messiah.

Thank you.

We can then talk about Moses and Muhammed.
Do you know anything about Moses?
Read Numbers ...let's say..31 to get the ball rolling?lol..
Then can you come up with like for like atrocity in QURAN from Muhammed?
Don't come up with unverified stories...
Just let us stick to Old Testament and Quran!!
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STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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...That's problem with you muslims. Reading the stories about him I can tell he was a terrorist, killer, thief, pedophile ect How such a person can be considered the greatest human ever by someone is creepy.
The BJ and Buddha were much greater than him. I think also the most of the people here in this forum are better than your prophet.
You believe "stories" about him but not what we say or what the quran says!
you have a selective head!
Let's first place you on the map!

Prove to us that you are not a closet coward of a christian:

Tell Paul (and us) that Jesus is not God.
Tell Paul (and us) that there is no God.
DENY that Jesus is THE Son of God and/or God and/or Messiah.

Thank you.

We can then talk about Moses and Muhammed.
Do you know anything about Moses?
Read Numbers ...let's say..31 to get the ball rolling?lol..
Then can you come up with like for like atrocity in QURAN from Muhammed?
Don't come up with unverified stories...
Just let us stick to Old Testament and Quran!!
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Muhammad was an inept mystic who had loads of dynamism but his dynamism bordered on insanity and savagery.
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Buddha was compassion personified but his philosophy lacked dynamism and depth and was an escapism from life on earth.

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