Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Brussels Journal

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Christians do not believe in one God. Period! There is no need to provide any link.
They believe in one Godhead.
In that Godhead Bubble, there are THREE DISTINCT and CO-EQUAL PERSONS.
The first of the alleged three, is God the Father, who is neither the Son nor the Holy Ghost.
The second of the alleged three, is God the Son, who is neither the Father nor the Holy Ghost.
The third of the alleged three is God the Holy Ghost, who is neither the Father nor the Son.
This is the One God of Christianity.
Stop embarassing yourself further LOL

the Christian 'three' was an internal characteristic of the godhead... rather than a series of external beings placed together with God.

If you and your god cannot get the meaning right then how the hell you are gonna bursts the Trinity?

I do reject it, but at least I understood what they mean.

People of 1700 years ago were much more smarter than you and your Allah can ever be. The latter who thinks Jesus is another god, along with god, making Christians polytheists.
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Hello, ChristTurd
We do not slander the Son of Maryam.
We try to show you the right way of Jesus.
Jesus' way was to be righteous, to repent sincerely, have faith only in the one God the LORD Almighty to whom everybody returns.
Qur'aan is not a text book of Science and neither is the Bible, Birdbrain!
We just want to make you realize that the biblical Jesus was neither God nor the son of God and also that this thing called the Holy Spirit, does not exist.
The man was a Jew and a Jew believes only in one God. Jesus was one of the most obedient slaves of God Almighty.
Do not think that a slave of the Master, can be the Master.
So, when are you going to tell me 150 good things that Jesus did for the fellow Israelites? Keep in mind that he was responsible for the destruction of God's Temple. If Jesus hadn't been there, the Temple would not have been destroyed.
Oh bullshit.
You want to try to turn Jesus into a muztard through propaganda.
Any part of the bible you don't like is somehow forged. LOL.
The rest you deliberately misinterpret.
The koran contains incorrect scientific information. Very incorrect and dictated by mad mo himself supposedly from the word of an angel who got it from allah. The koran is in error. It is FALSE, FAKE, and NOT FROM GOD.
We are waiting for you to justify the unjustifiable - the sick evil behaviour of mad mo the raping murdering paedo.
What's all this crap about "150 good things". Is 150 some magic muztard number??? The goodness of Christ has been demonstrated many times in this thread. What we want is for you to explain the sick evil of mo.
Oh, by the way, Jesus had nothing to do with the destruction of the temple by the Romans many years after the ascension.

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God made His covenant with Isaac: Genesis 17 21 But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year.
ishmel plays no part in salvation history.
Could you enlighten us about the part played by Issac in your Christian salvation history?

What was God's plan? And what was that covenant which was established with Issac?

Please list up Issac's achievements and how does he fit in the tapestry of Christianity?

Please try to do that in your usual 2-3 liners.

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Oh bullshit.
You want to try to turn Jesus into a muztard through propaganda.
Any part of the bible you don't like is somehow forged. LOL.
The rest you deliberately misinterpret.
The koran contains incorrect scientific information. Very incorrect and dictated by mad mo himself supposedly from the word of an angel who got it from allah. The koran is in error. It is FALSE, FAKE, and NOT FROM GOD.
We are waiting for you to justify the unjustifiable - the sick evil behaviour of mad mo the raping murdering paedo.
What's all this crap about "150 good things". Is 150 some magic muztard number??? The goodness of Christ has been demonstrated many times in this thread. What we want is for you to explain the sick evil of mo.
Oh, by the way, Jesus had nothing to do with the destruction of the temple by the Romans many years after the ascension.
Ok, make it 70 good things that Jesus did or accomplished for his Israelite brothers.

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If EVERY prophesy made by Jesus to the Apostles be fulfileld in their own life time....then the prophesy that Jesus shall return back MUST also be fulfilled within their life time.
Why you keep silent about THAT prophesy and only INSIST that Comforter must appear during the life time of Apostles of jesus?
Having two standards?
Then Jesus said "Comforter shall lead you into all the truth". What this alleged comforter told to the Apostles on the day of Pentecost?
Have you a single word recorded about that?
There is no way in the world you can prove that Holy Ghost fulfills even the most basic criterion about which Jesus spoke.
You can only mislead people who have no knowledge about Scripture.
Mohammad the Comforter that Jesus prophesied, eh?

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funny Muq tackling it for real.
You have to wait a year.
The point is ofcourse that christinaity vigorated and an insertion needed to be done, and then it still took 150 years before even one kid took onthe name Ahmed. For Moahmed we had to wait even longer.
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Uhuh going hard and fast, too fast as usual.

muslims are outright koferim ba-Torah - they deny the Torah of today as divinely revealed

otoh, christians blindfully accept the Torah as uncorrupted, BUT misinterpret it to justify their pagan faith - therefore they are heretics i.e. minim/apikorsim

Septuagint, Old Testament, the "Holy Bible" do not have kedusha (holiness)
unlike Torah, it is not forbidden to read it while shitting

"no remembrance shall be left of the heretics or their deeds"

*hmm Jesus he got the title YSH"U (yemach shemo vezichro), "erase his name and his remembrance"
to blot him out from history, just say he did not exist
* this expression is older then the insertion of something that even looked remotely like a form of jesus. And many groups were considered not following the torah, especially after about 200 years greek invasion and then the sodden Romans taking over all control.
These are just some logical remarks, since inserting jesus or christianity anywhere even near the first centuries is an anachronism.
And you are not specific. Besides the explanation has tried inmany forms, typical for UHUH to take a cheap shot at the hundred'th even simpeler explanation.

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halacha: OT should be burnt
exactly where in this does it say that??
http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx ...
you don't know squat about halacha ("Jewish Law") lol

"It is forbidden to burn or destroy Kitvei Kodesh written by a Jew. As for those written by an apikoros, it is a mitzvah to burn them so that no remembrance will be left of the heretics or their deeds." -Mishneh Torah, Yesodei ha-Torah 6:8
400 years later Yosef Karo repeated the above halacha, "A Torah scroll written by an apikoros should be burned." -Shulchan Aruch, Yoreh Deah 281:1

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Heres my favorite Jewish atheist joke, c/o Leo Rosten:

A brilliant young student goes to an old, learned rabbi and defiantly exclaims,I must tell you the truth! I have become an apikoros. I no longer believe in God.

And how long, asks the elder,have you been studying Talmud?

Five years, says the student.

Only five years, sighed the rabbi,and you have the nerve to call yourself an apikoros?!

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The mishnah is the first time it occurs.
In the torah other terms context related would be used.
You first have to be aware of Epicurus.

And i haven't even checked if the assertion was true and properly interpreted.(most by uhuh were taken out of context.)
But yeah a lot less people would have been burned, if the few books who's context they had raped and mutilated were indeed burned.
They burned them themselves anyway. F.i.around 1000 CE everybody was banned from reading a bible on punishment of being burned on the stake!

Hey the hebrews kept the original anyway!

We would not have the last Greek translaters since the DSS saying now, that:' it is indeed not correct, but they removed the grossest errors but kept smaller once because they make it so uniquely quaint and gave it it's character!"
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Excerpts from the Gospel of Barnabas, Part-47
Chapter 98 Miracle of the Fish
When the greater part of the crowd had departed, there remained about five thousand men, without women and children who being wearied by the journey, having been two days without bread, for that through longing to see Jesus they had forgotten to bring any, whereupon they ate raw herbs therefore they were not able to depart like the others. Then Jesus, when he perceived this, had pity on them, and said to Philip: "Where shall we find bread for them that they perish not of hunger?" Philip answered: "Lord, two hundred pieces of gold could not buy so much bread that each one should taste a little." Then said Andrew: "There is here a child which has five loaves and two fishes, but what will it be among so many?"
Jesus answered: "Make the multitude sit down" And they sat down upon the grass by fifties and by forties. Thereupon said Jesus: "In the name of God!" And he took the bread, and prayed to God and then brake the bread, which he gave to the disciples, and the disciples gave it to the multitude; and so did they with the fishes. Every one ate and every one was satisfied. Then Jesus said: "Gather up that which is over." So the disciples gathered those fragments, and filled twelve baskets...
(This miracle is confirmed in all Gospels- MUQ)
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Chapter 99 Jesus fears from his people
Jesus, having withdrawn into a hollow part of the desert in Tiro near to Jordan, called together the seventy-two with the twelve, and, when he had seated himself upon a stone, made them to sit near him. And he opened his mouth with a sigh and said: "This day have we seen a great wickedness in Judea and in Israel such that my heart trembles within my breast for fear of God. Truly I say to you, that God is jealous for his honour, and loves Israel as a lover. You know that when a youth loves a lady, and she does not love him, but another, he is moved to indignation and slays his rival. Even so, I tell you, does God: for, when Israel has loved anything such that he forgets God, God has brought such a thing to nothing.
Abraham loved his son Ishmael a little more than was right, so in order to kill that evil love out of the heart of Abraham, God commanded that he should slay his son: which he would have done had the knife cut.* David loved Absalom vehemently, and therefore God brought it to pass that the son rebelled against his father and was suspended by his hair and slain by Joab. O fearful judgment of God, that Absalom loved his hair above all things, and this was turned into a rope to hang him!
Does the gospel of barnabas agree with the Holy Bible? NO! Therefor it rejected as a false gospel; most likely wirten in the 16th century.

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What UHUH equivocates should be stated as : those text that are sanctified to g-d, should be kept/entombed in the Genizah.

The inspired word: see catholic encyclopedia that considers all text to be so if they give a positive image of the Universalism they promote.
Therefore you find only those in the N.T. and is the socalled .T'adjusted, and can to christians only be interpreted in the way they learned.
Struggling mightely with a different earlier exegesis.

Perhaps the 2 most famous subjects associated with Jewish Cairo are the Rambam and the Cairo Genizah
It even appears that Manuscripts in the Rambam's own hand have been discovered there.

The Rambam in Yesodei HaTorah 6:8 seems to require Genizah ONLY for Sifre Torah. While the Touger edition cites SA YD 282:23 as well as the Magen Avraham 154:9 "differ and require all sacred texts to be entombed."

This Humra seems to go beyond the Rambam's requirement. However the Genizah in Cairo had many holy texts aside from Sifrei Torah. Was the Cairo community Machmir despite the Rambam? Or did the Rambam himself communicate a more strict version of this Halachah outside the precincts of his Mishneh Torah and this extra-textual version survived.

Or perhaps there was another dynamic at work here?

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Christians do not believe in one God. Period! There is no need to provide any link.
They believe in one Godhead.
In that Godhead Bubble, there are THREE DISTINCT and CO-EQUAL PERSONS.
The first of the alleged three, is God the Father, who is neither the Son nor the Holy Ghost.
The second of the alleged three, is God the Son, who is neither the Father nor the Holy Ghost.
The third of the alleged three is God the Holy Ghost, who is neither the Father nor the Son.
This is the One God of Christianity.
Christians believe in only one God, else prove with links to Christian sites saying teaching otherwise. Saying Christians believe in more than one God is a lie told by muslims.

How many goddess did mohammad believe in and was in the 'original' knoran?
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Could you enlighten us about the part played by Issac in your Christian salvation history?
What was God's plan? And what was that covenant which was established with Issac?
Please list up Issac's achievements and how does he fit in the tapestry of Christianity?
Please try to do that in your usual 2-3 liners.
"But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year." Gen. 17:21

The rest of salvation history of God working in history can now be found in the Holy Bible.
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Please stop lying. The last time the Church fathers lied through there dentures, they came up with the abomination and absurdity known as Trinity.
Only your Christian God has a son. Right? My point is that God has no son.
If Jesus, the alleged son is God, then your God must have made love with a Goddess. That is the point.
So, you (the Christians) have a father God, a mother God and a son God. Son of God cannot come through a woman. It has to come through a Goddess. So, Mary is your Goddess. lol!
So, the revised Trinity should be God the Father, Goddess the Mother and God the Son.
Link some scholars who agree with your contention that there are goddess.

You have such a childish understanding of God. Only feeble minded people would be persuaded by your arguments. Any cursory research into what Christians believe will show they only believe in one God and do not believe in goddess as muslims do. mohammad in the 'original' koran wanted three goddess to help them. He later took it out when it did not fool his enemies.

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The point would not be that the person has a different god or no god, but that he is not part of the tribe, he's a non-jew.
It's a meaningless act. Copying without understanding.
(This is the law on the the table, pall. The former comment was about mishnah.)
We are thus not even talking about translation or even anything called OT. But i'll read the text.)

when a person writes a sefer torah he or she does fulfill a ritual duty (after all, we do have to produce Torah scrolls for the purpose of public reading), whether or not there exists a specific requirement that each and every Jew perform the act of writing.

And some greek pampleths might have been produced with snippets of the torah, but text-analysis seems to point out that the first greek version is no older than the oldest book commissioned by Eusebius, so around the 4th century also.
The 70 of ptolomeas is a myth.

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Muslims are the most violent group of People in the World.

There have been 20,365 DEADLY ISLAMIC TERRORIST ATTACKS SINCE 9/11/2001.

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A gentile follows his own intentions...yup!
But he might be an actual atheist. One who does not believe in any god, let alone in YHWH.
Yeah UHUH making it up again:

it starts with small texts for the little boxes and the requirement.
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Halacha 13
A Torah scroll, tefillin, or mezuzah written by an apikoros should be burned. If they were written by a gentile, an apostate Jew, a person who betrays [the Jews] to a powerful person, a slave, a woman, or a minor, they are not acceptable and must be entombed, as [implied by Deuteronomy 6:8-9]: "And you shall tie... and you shall write." [Our Sages explain that this includes only] those who are commanded to tie [tefillin on their arms] and those who believe in what they write.

[Sacred articles] which are found in the possession of an apikoros, and it is not known who wrote them, should be entombed. Those which are found in the possession of a gentile are kosher. We should not, however, purchase Torah scrolls, tefillin, or mezuzot from gentiles for more than they are worth, so that they do not become accustomed to stealing them.

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The interesting thing is that the oldest 7th c.CE almost complete bible found before the codex Sinaiticus, and the rest, was indeed found in a grave.

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Muslims Abduct, Attempt to Convert 13-Year-Old Coptic Girl... http://www.aina.org/news/20130202195322.htm The word "allah" is sickening.

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Muslims are the most violent group of People in the World.
There have been 20,365 DEADLY ISLAMIC TERRORIST ATTACKS SINCE 9/11/2001.
I'll bet Mali was not counted along, and since when are the touaregs not the dregs of the earth.
They've killed more people then we are aware of.

I was absolutely amazed to hear whities complain about human rights abuse of the poor desert people.
They cut you, maim, rape, kill, steal everything, kidnap, and leave people behind to die in the desert.
Total ruthless scum. No honour whatsoever.

Ask why the Paris-Dakar is no longer held in Africa!

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Muslims kill more muslims than any group of people in the world!

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pg 7637
It was decided by committee how old jesus should be. 33 is just at the cusp of being called an elder and thus being able to call the fiction a rabbee.

I says nothing of the historicity, apart from knowing that the matter was discussed and the text adapted according to the vote.

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Christians do not believe in one God. Period! There is no need to provide any link.
They believe in one Godhead.
In that Godhead Bubble, there are THREE DISTINCT and CO-EQUAL PERSONS.
The first of the alleged three, is God the Father, who is neither the Son nor the Holy Ghost.
The second of the alleged three, is God the Son, who is neither the Father nor the Holy Ghost.
The third of the alleged three is God the Holy Ghost, who is neither the Father nor the Son.
This is the One God of Christianity.

PVW: Christians believe in only one God, else prove with links to Christian sites saying teaching otherwise. Saying Christians believe in more than one God is a lie told by muslims.
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Well that could've come straight from the catechism.
Besides Mary is the mother of God.
She either did a biologically impossible thing.
Or as teh Vaticn decided she is also received immaculately and therefore could receive immaculately.
So keep this logic going, this means that she is either from a long line of women with the most remarkable genetic abberancy ever or as her name allready denotes she is an ancient prototype of a sea-goddess.

Baal had a son Tammuz.
YHVH shall no longer be Baal.
A split.
But this does not mean that the idea died.
And did not keep vigorating in Syria where christianity first took root.
Asherah was also kept alive till well in the 4th to even 6th century of the Common Era!

So history and the understanding that 'holding none before me', does not mean that you have to deny every other god away, or consider them inferior, and the people along.
No my main responsibility would be with YHWH. The Torah's word also comes first.
(That is why UHUH's interpretation limped.)

But that trinity is seriously contradicting matters.
And the koraan tells stories just different and has different rules that are often closer to vigorating christianity in the prophtes day.

Jesus would be seen as a prophet, so who ahmad/comforter is, is still anyones guess!

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"But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year." Gen. 17:21
The rest of salvation history of God working in history can now be found in the Holy Bible.
So, what is that junk salvation history? Please address the following questions, which you did not answer:

Could you enlighten us about the part played by Issac in your Christian salvation history?

What was God's plan? And what was that covenant which was established with Issac?

Please list up Issac's achievements and how does he fit in the tapestry of Christianity?

Please try to do that in your usual 2-3 liners.

Bonus question and I need a better hilarious answer:

What has Issac got to do with Jesus? Did Jesus even utter Issac's name once?

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