Who Is Allah?

[Frijoles]

bmz wrote:

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Thank you for on the spot audit, Frijoles.
Christians have their own very special dictionaries made for Hebrew. lol!

Strongs is an exceptionally bad reference because it ignores context. Christians seem to think just because a word is used many times it has to mean the same meaning.

[John Preacher]

Please explain how the kaba stone which fell from heaven can take away sins. But when we christian claim that Jesus Christ takes away sins, you reject him for a lifeless stone which you claim takes away sin.

[Frijoles]

John Preacher wrote:

Please explain how the kaba stone which fell from heaven can take away sins. But when we christian claim that Jesus Christ takes away sins, you reject him for a lifeless stone which you claim takes away sin.

at least no one is in dispute that the stone exists.

[Alex123 aka WM]

John Preacher wrote:

Please explain how the kaba stone which fell from heaven can take away sins. But when we christian claim that Jesus Christ takes away sins, you reject him for a lifeless stone which you claim takes away sin.

Continuing with this Pagan mangod theme away from Islam and Judaism that are against idol and mangod worship...
Finally we have set the pagans free to worship their mangod instead of polluting TRUE God of Adam, Noah, Abraham et al....

..........
Old NT:
John 14:10
Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

NEW NT:
John 14:10
Don't you believe that I (JESUS) am in me (JESUS), and that JESUS is in me (JESUS)? The words I (JESUS) say to you are not just my (JESUS') own. Rather, it is JESUS, living in me (JESUS), who is doing his (JESUS') work.
..........
Old NT:
John 20:17
Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them,'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"

NEW NT:
John 20:17
Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me(JESUS), for I(JESUS) have not yet returned to JESUS. Go instead to my(JESUS') brothers and tell them,'I(JESUS) am returning to my(JESUS') JESUS and your JESUS, to my(JESUS') JESUS and your JESUS.'"
..........
Old NT:
2 John 1:3
Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Father's Son, will be with us in truth and love.

NEW NT:
2 John 1:3
Grace, mercy and peace from JESUS the Father and from JESUS Christ, JESUS' Son, will be with us in truth and love.
..........

THE FINALE...

Old NT:
Mark 15:34
And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"--which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

NEW NT:
Mark 15:34
And at the ninth hour JESUS cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"--which means, "My JESUS, my JESUS, why have you forsaken me (JESUS)?"

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

bmz wrote:

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Rabbee,
G-d is not the writer or author of the grand confusion known as The New Testament. When I read the New Testament, I do not find much truth. I find more lies.

rabbee: well using your set of lies, to compare anything with. i would imagine sooo. and your all-h seems to be in disagreement with my ALL-H. so obviously there is, somthing errantly spooky going on with you.

the only differnce between, me and christians is: i do not recognize any of it, as any kind of new testament. it's all still the same old stuff, as the last time G-D have TheWhole Torah in TheHappening then. it's all the same old, errant stuff from you all again.

and anyone can disclaim anything they want with their own set of lies. but it shall still, evade the truth. because that is what, all lies do. i have also told you that christian scriptures, have been severly altered. but this does not mean their is no truth to be gleaned from them. and i have also told you the truth, that Revelation is the least altered of all their books. because it was written, too wise and intelligent for most to even try to grasp.

[John Preacher]

The Apostle Paul himself came against the worship of this kaba stone in
Acts 19:35 while at Ephesus which was the seat of worship of the
Moon Goddess Diana (remember that Allah is the Moon God
(masculine)). Paul was preaching at Ephesus and converting many
Diana worshippers to Christ. A certain silversmith named Demetrius
got really stressed about it because he made a great living making
graven images of Diana and saw his profits flying out the window, with
each convert. Thus he incited the crowd to riot and they grabbed up
several of Paul’s companions. The city clerk speaks up in the attempt
to quell the crowd before things get too violent and makes an
interesting statement:

“Men of Ephesus, what man is there who does not know that the city of
the Ephesians is temple guardian of the great goddess Diana, and of
the IMAGE WHICH FELL DOWN FROM ZEUS?” ACTS 19:35

This image was a Black Stone—I believe the same one, that sits in
Mecca in the Ka’ba right now. Islam claims the stone image fell down
from heaven, the Ephesians also claimed their image fell from heaven,
from the Moon gods.

The worshippers of Diana and the stone image, worked themselves up
into a frenzy,… all of them with one voice went on crying out for about
two hours, Great is Diana of Ephesus.(Acts 19:34)
The very same cry from the worshippers of Diana and the stone which
fell from heaven, is the very same cry heard today, from Muslims. They
also bow before a stone which fell from heaven. And the cry is the
same,“God is Great,” and its heard from every muslim who shouts
“Allahu Akbar.”

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

bmz wrote:

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Rabbee,
I have not read your TheTorah but in the Torah that I read, GdashD has never spoken of another Gdash, called the Son.
So, there are no TheTwo or TheBoth or TheThree. There is no place for theTwo in the Torah.
That GdashD has a son, is absurd and a concoction of foreigners, who did not understand Hebrew.

rabbee: then read this again, untill you do understand G-D does have TheSon: "(and G-D said, "let US make Adam in OUR IMAGE, after OUR LIKENESS, they shall rule over the fish in the sea, the birds of the sky, and over the animal, the whole earth, and every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth. so G-D created Adam in HIS IMAGE, in The Image of G-D HE created HIM; male and female HE created Them.

G-D blessed Them, and G-D said to them, "be fruitful and multiply, fill the earth and subdue it: and rule over the fish in the sea, the bird of the sky, and every living thing that moves on the earth. ")" This is, about G-D giving birth to THIR OUR SON Adam. it's not talking, about any of you.

so don't tell me there is no mention, of G-D having a SON here in TheTorah. Everytime G-D has given this same story, i have always been here in IT now an previously. And G-D is not a liar, you all are. and i shall be here in IT, all the next times G-D gives this same story of ThePhysical Creation again. just because you and yo grandmother of all, are sucessfull failure, does not mean i am as successfull at failure as you all.

[Alex123 aka WM]

Buford wrote:

<quoted text>Al-EX the Phallocentric,
I knew that you couldn't resist the phallic pole reference for long.

Anything to help you see the father in heaven..

[Alex123 aka WM]

This was my last post last night...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TT8...

This is my first post today...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TT8...

What is in between is posted by another "alex", but hey life is fun!

[John Preacher]

Moses warned us not to worship the stars or host of heaven:
"And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the
sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven,
shouldest be driven to WORSHIP THEM, AND SERVE THEM, which the LORD
thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven"
Deuteronomy 4:19
The prophet Moses warned them about worshipping the stars and host
of heaven, and I pray all muslims who read this will realize the sin of
bowing down to a fallen stone /star-meteorite before its to late.
The very images of a tent and star were images which apostate Jews
had made to worship in the desert, whom God called Moloch and
the star Rephan.
Acts 7:42: God turned his back on his people and left them. Then they
worshiped the stars in the sky, just as it says in the Book of the
Prophets, "People of Israel, you didn't offer sacrifices and offerings to
me during those forty years in the desert. Instead, you carried the TENT
WHERE THE GOD MOLECH IS WORSHIPED, and you took along the STAR OF
YOUR GOD REPHAN. You made those idols and worshiped them. So
now I will have you carried off beyond Babylonia." (see also Deut 4:19)
Doesn’t a tent and star remind you of anything? It should. These are
the exact same two images which Muslims worship today. Where? In
the desert. The same place the apostate Jews worshiped their
tent/tabernacle Moloch and star Rephan, idols which they created. This
is utterly shocking, the very same two images which God turned his
back on his people for, are the same two images worshiped by
Muslims.
The bible describes Lucifer as the star which fell from heaven:
Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer (morning star- the crescent and Morning star ), son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
You false god Allah has done exactly that, he has tried to exalt himself to the level of Jehovah. But his image is the very stone which fell from heaven whom you worship. Jehovah said he would turn his back only those who worship the host of heaven and created idols of stars/meteorites (see above verses).

[Frijoles]

Alex123 aka WM wrote:

This was my last post last night...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TT8...
This is my first post today...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TT8...
What is in between is posted by another "alex", but hey life is fun!

why dont you register/join topix?

[John Preacher]

rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:

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rabbee: no mention, of G-D having a SON here in TheTorah.

Y'shua (Jesus) is the Messiah; the son of David; born in
Bethlehem of Judah. He is: Mashiach ben David, Adonai Yeshua Ha Mashiach. In Torah,

Proverbs 30-4 says, and what is His Son's name, if thou canst tell? Baruch Haba B'Shem Adonai Blessed is He who comes in in the Name of the Lord Look to the book of Daniel, 24th verse of the ninth chapter to see
that the Messiah should have come exactly 69 sabbatical years
from the edict permitting the Israelites to return from their
Babylon exile to rebuild Jerusalem and the temple until the
Messiah would appear as their Prince. Then listen to the "small voice of truth" within you about the Suffering Messiah. Below is in Torah:

Genesis 1:26 (4000 B.C.): "And God said, Let us make man in our
image.." Proverbs 30:4 (700 B.C.): "Who hath ascended up into heaven or descended? Who hath gathered the wind in His fists? Who hath bound
the waters in a garment? Who hath established all the ends of the
Earth? What is His name, and what Is HIS SON'S NAME if thou canst tell?" (Psalm 2:11-12) Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. KISS THE SON, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in
him.

Isaiah 53 3-6 (712 B.C.): "He is despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces
from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. Surely He has
borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed Him
stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But He was wounded for OUR transgressions, He was bruised for OUR iniquities; the chastisement for
OUR peace was upon Him, and by His STRIPES we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, every one to his own way;
and the Lord has laid on Him the INIQUITY OF US ALL."

| 1 hr ago Look to the book of Daniel, 9;24 to see that the Messiah should have
come exactly 69 sabbatical years
from the edict permitting the Israelites to return from their
Babylon exile to rebuild Jerusalem and the temple until the Messiah
would appear as their Prince.
See it here, the exact year the Messiah would appear was fortold by Prophet Daniel:
www.jewsforjesus.org/publications/issues/5_1/...

[Frijoles]

John Preacher wrote:

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Y'shua (Julius) is the Messiah; the son of David; born in
Bethlehem of Judah. He is: Mashiach ben Louie, Adont-know Yeshlua Ha Mashi-ache.

I wish you luck in that. The good Rahbee has met many a preacher, and I doubt you even register.

[Irzath]

John Preacher wrote:

Please explain how the kaba stone which fell from heaven can take away sins. But when we christian claim that Jesus Christ takes away sins, you reject him for a lifeless stone which you claim takes away sin.

please

its not stone that forgives. its allah,

Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said "NO DOUBT, I KNOW THAT YOU ARE A STONE AND CAN NEITHER BENEFIT ANYONE NOR HARM ANYONE. Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you."

hope you understand.

and regarding jesus(PBUH)

why is it not allowed to sin , when you are already payed for your sins..i mean in Christianity..
how could some one sin and another person pays for it.
if god wants he has his quality of forgiveness to purify us why sacrifice his son. as per your claim.

[John Preacher]

Frijoles wrote:

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I wish you luck in that. The good Rahbee has met many a preacher, and I doubt you even register.

Word of Adonia is stronger than any two edged sword it cuts to the heart of man, for his Torah is Truth.
" Proverbs 30:4 (700 B.C.): "Who hath ascended up into heaven or
descended? Who hath gathered the wind in His fists? Who hath bound
the waters in a garment? Who hath established all the ends of the
Earth? What is His name, and what Is HIS SON'S NAME if thou canst
tell?"
(Psalm 2:11-12) Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. KISS THE SON, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way,
when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

[bmz]

John Preacher wrote:

Please explain how the kaba stone which fell from heaven can take away sins. But when we christian claim that Jesus Christ takes away sins, you reject him for a lifeless stone which you claim takes away sin.

That the black stone can take away sins, is an absurd story, which is as absurd as the claim that Jesus takes away sins. Jesus is not on record for saying that he takes away sins.

We do not believe that. This was clarified in Qur'aan that no soul shall carry the burdens of others or another.

Good night

[bmz]

John Preacher wrote:

" Proverbs 30:4 (700 B.C.): "Who hath ascended up into heaven or
descended?

Who hath gathered the wind in His fists?

Who hath bound the waters in a garment?

Who hath established all the ends of the Earth?

What is His name, and what Is HIS SON'S NAME if thou canst
tell?"

It is a series of questions put forward by a wise man to ignorant fools.

It means that no man and his son have done any of those things.

This proverb is a word of wisdom and has nothing to do with the Father and Jesus.

[bmz]

John Preacher wrote:

(Psalm 2:11-12) Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. KISS THE SON, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

This is really a very twisted and distorted translation. It is wrong.

The problem with this is the forgery introduced "Kiss the Son".

It shows that if one would not kiss the son, the son will be very angry, full of wrath and can make people perish.

It can also mean that if one would not kiss the son, the LORD will be very angry, full of wrath and can make people perish.

But then, the LORD has no son.

I have studied this before. "Kiss the Son" is a forgery. The importance shown is that one must serve the LORD with fear.

It is not about serving and kissing the alleged Son.

Good night

[John Preacher]

Jesus did claim he had the power to forgive sins, and it is also true that only God can forgive sins, yet Jesus said:
"But that ye may know that the Son of man(humility) hath power on earth to forgive sins,(he saith to the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house. " (Mark 2:10-11).

[Ahmed]

JESUS IS NOT THE SON OF GOD,AND MOSES IS A PROPHET YES THEY R ALL PROPHETS (PACE BE UPON THEM),HOW CAN JESUS BE THE SON OF GOD,IN THIS CASE U R COMPARING GOD TO AN ANIMAL(ASTAAFR ALLAH)BECAUSE TO HAVE A SON TWO HUMANS HAVE TO ACT AS ANIMALS ACT,SO HOW DO U COMPARE GOD TO A HUMAN OR ANIMAL,JESUS IS ONE OF THE GREATES MIRACLES EVER,BECAUSE HE HAS NO FATHER,WHEN GOD SAY BE SO IT BE,JESUS CANNOT FORGIVE SINS BECAUSE HE IS A HUMAN HE CAME ON THE EARTH TO MAKE UNBELIEVERS AND BAD PEOPLE BELIEVE,SO JESUS IS A GREAT PROPHET LIKE OTHERS BUT HE IS NOT THE SON OF GOD,AND HE CANNOT FORGIVE SINS,ONLY GOD DO THAT,JESUS CAN MAKE PEOPLE LIVE BACK,HELP THE BLINDS TO SEE,AND HELP SICKS TO GET HEALTHY BUT HE DO ALL THESE THINGS BY THE PERMISSION OF GOD,MOSES WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST PROPHET TOO , HE USED HIS STICK TO OPEN THE SEA AND THAT WAS GREAT,BUT HE DID SO BY THE PERMISSION OF GOD,PEOPLE SAID THAT HE WAS A WIZARD BUT ALL HIS POWER WAS GIVEN TO HIM FROM GOD,AND MUHAMMED AT THE END PACE BE UPON HIM IS THE LAST PROPHET AND HE HAD A SOOOOOOO GOOOOD PERSONALITY THAT U CANNOT IMMAGINE,IF U JUST READ ABOUT HIM U WOULD BE SURPRISED,WE LOVE ALL THE PROPHETS IN THE SAME WAY AND WE BELIEVE IN THEM ALL,ALSO THEY ALL CAME WITH THE SAME MESSAGE WHICH IS TO WORSHIP ONLY GOD NAD BELIEVE IN HIS PROPHETS AND HIS BOOKS AND THE HELL AND HEAVEN AND THE ANGELS,BUT U GUYS DONT BELIEVE IN MOHAMMED PACE BE UPON HIM,ALSO CHRISTIANS HATES JEWS AND JEWS HATE CHRISTIANS PLUS THEY BOTH HATE MUSLIMS,THATS ABSOLUTLY WRONG WE SHOULD LOVE EACH OTHER THATS WHAT ISLAM SAY AND WE HAVE TO PROTECT EACH OTHER NOT DESTROY EACH OTHER