Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 225773 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Since: May 12

Location hidden

#161370 Feb 2, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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You are right, ANYONE can write a book and say that it is from God (that is why we have close to 100 or so Gospels!!).
But the problem is that Quran is only one!! and it given open challenge to whole humanity to bring another book like it. It is 1400 years and there is no taker to this challenge!!
Make you think a bit? ANYONE can write a book, but NO ONE can write Quran, or even one chapter like it!!
How dumb you people look , parading your own ignorance in front of every one.
The Quran is plagiarized, out of context, lacking of naration, no chronology of events, vague, filled with science-fiction ect. It is therefore difficult to follow as it leaves the readers confused while it jumps from story to story, with little background narration or explanation. So the Traditions,(i.e. Hadiths) are critical as they provide the context of place, circumstance, and time which otherwise would be lost. Basically, without the Hadith's the Quran is worthless, and the text of the hadith's is all hearsay, with no other proof of evidence to confirm its stories.

Allah wouldn't embrass himself and call Quran his word.

Listen to me and start to take historical evidences and/or use logical and intelligent argument to demolish the points of your antagonists, instead of picking as reference shallow books.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#161371 Feb 2, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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The Quran is plagiarized, out of context, lacking of naration, no chronology of events, vague, filled with science-fiction ect. It is therefore difficult to follow as it leaves the readers confused while it jumps from story to story, with little background narration or explanation. So the Traditions,(i.e. Hadiths) are critical as they provide the context of place, circumstance, and time which otherwise would be lost. Basically, without the Hadith's the Quran is worthless, and the text of the hadith's is all hearsay, with no other proof of evidence to confirm its stories.
Allah wouldn't embrass himself and call Quran his word.
Listen to me and start to take historical evidences and/or use logical and intelligent argument to demolish the points of your antagonists, instead of picking as reference shallow books.
Then it would be "all the easier" to plagiarise a zig zag, not chronological, riff raff of something in Arabic that can pass off as "Duplicate Quran".

Why no one took up the challenge in past 1400 years? Does it not look to you as strange?

So instead of describing all the faults of Quran, it would be easier to compose something "in a flash" would it not be?

So when we an expect a "New Quran" from you? In a few hours? A few days? A few months? A few years? Or next 1400 years?!!

As for Quran copying from Taurah and Injeel, let us listen to Quranic "Boast":

"Verily this Quran will explain most of the things on which these People of Book (i.e. Jews and Christians) have disputes..."

Not a small boast from a plagirized, riif raff, non chronologically arranged , book!!

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#161372 Feb 2, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
Basically, without the Hadith's the Quran is worthless, and the text of the hadith's is all hearsay, with no other proof of evidence to confirm its stories.
Classic from a worthless clueless fool!

Ignorant fool,

There were no Hadith books for 350-500 years. We look at Hadith under the scrutiny of Qur'aan just like we look at the New Testament under the scrutiny of the Torah.

Please humour me more. I like Italian humour, Made in Italy!

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#161373 Feb 2, 2013
John Preacher wrote:
From the Mouth of a Rabbi himself, let him show you all the places Jesus Christ is found in the Old Testament, See here:
www.charismamag.com/spirit/bible-study/15023-...
Must be some fake or a Rabbi of the Messianic Jews aka Christians.

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#161374 Feb 2, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
allah does not talk to mohammad, only an angel.
and angel didnt revealed it by his own will, what ever in quran its from allah....And allah did talk with Muhammed in the night of MIHRAJ..and allah knows best.

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#161375 Feb 2, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
There were many 'versions' of the koran until someone rewrote it and had all the other 'versions' burnt. Nothing divine about that!
Either you are dreaming are lying

proof bluffer ???????proof????

this is not bible to rewrite and release in version.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#161376 Feb 2, 2013
John Preacher wrote:
His Torah is Truth, and in these verse Jesus the Son is revealed.
" Proverbs 30:4 (700 B.C.): "Who hath ascended up into heaven or
descended? Who hath gathered the wind in His fists? Who hath bound
the waters in a garment? Who hath established all the ends of the
Earth? What is His name, and what Is HIS SON'S NAME if thou canst tell?"
(Psalm 2:11-12) Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
KISS THE SON, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way,
when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
The Prophet Daniel see Jesus and called him the very name which Jesus used Son of Man, and declared that he would rule the earth:
"I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the SON OF MAN (Jesus) came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed." (Daniel 7:13-14).
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this." (Isaiah 9:6-7).
Proverbs and Daniel are not in the Torah, JP.
John Preacher

Ashburn, VA

#161377 Feb 2, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Must be some fake or a Rabbi of the Messianic Jews aka Christians.
A Jew is a Jew is a Jew, and a Rabbi is Rabbi is a Rabbi. Why do you feel the need to contradict everything?
John Preacher

Ashburn, VA

#161378 Feb 2, 2013
From the Mouth of a Rabbi turned Messianic Jew, let him show you all the places Jesus Christ is found in the Old Testament, See here:

www.charismamag.com/spirit/bible-study/15023-...
John Preacher

Ashburn, VA

#161379 Feb 2, 2013
From the Tanakh:
In these verses Jesus "the Son" is revealed.

Proverbs 30:4 (700 B.C.): "Who hath ascended up into heaven or
descended? Who hath gathered the wind in His fists? Who hath bound
the waters in a garment? Who hath established all the ends of the
Earth? What is His name, and what Is HIS SON'S NAME if thou canst tell?"

(Psalm 2:11-12) Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with
trembling.
KISS THE SON, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way,
when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put
their trust in him.

The Prophet Daniel see Jesus and called him the very name which
Jesus used "Son of Man", and declared that he would rule the earth:

"I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the SON OF MAN
(Jesus) came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of
days(Father), and they brought him near before him. And there was given
him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting
dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which
shall not be destroyed." (Daniel 7:13-14).

This is the very same "Son" who will rule God's earthly government:

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the
government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be
called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and
peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his
kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with
justice from hence forth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts
will perform this." (Isaiah 9:6-7).

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#161380 Feb 2, 2013
John Preacher wrote:
<quoted text>
A Jew is a Jew is a Jew, and a Rabbi is Rabbi is a Rabbi. Why do you feel the need to contradict everything?
When I see misinformation and misreports, I quickly comment.

Any Rabbi, who accepts Jesus as the Messiah, is clearly not a real Jew.

The problem is that Messianic Jews aka the Christians call their fathers, Rabbis.

Messianic Judaism is actually Christianity trying to enter Israel through the backdoor. Centuries ago, the Church fooled the pagans and now, it is trying to fool the Jews in Israel but they remain alert.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#161381 Feb 2, 2013
John Preacher wrote:
From the Tanakh:
In these verses Jesus "the Son" is revealed.
Proverbs 30:4 (700 B.C.): "Who hath ascended up into heaven or
descended? Who hath gathered the wind in His fists? Who hath bound
the waters in a garment? Who hath established all the ends of the
Earth? What is His name, and what Is HIS SON'S NAME if thou canst tell?"
(Psalm 2:11-12) Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with
trembling.
KISS THE SON, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way,
when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put
their trust in him.
The Prophet Daniel see Jesus and called him the very name which
Jesus used "Son of Man", and declared that he would rule the earth:
"I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the SON OF MAN
(Jesus) came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of
days(Father), and they brought him near before him. And there was given
him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting
dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which
shall not be destroyed." (Daniel 7:13-14).
This is the very same "Son" who will rule God's earthly government:
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the
government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be
called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and
peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his
kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with
justice from hence forth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts
will perform this." (Isaiah 9:6-7).
Again the same stuff. I believe I had addressed that.

No one would be more pleased than I, if you can show me anyone calling Jesus, called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace, in the gospel/NT texts and any Church.

It is an extremely twisted and distorted translation and I really do not know the Liars, who did it.

It is ridiculous and absurd.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#161382 Feb 2, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Why no one took up the challenge in past 1400 years? Does it not look to you as strange?
There is no point to make that challenge if a Muslim is unable to recognize the flaws on its own book, the Quran.

More or less this is the position of Muslims: Like a mum would say his son is perfect, good ect, while in reality any son has its strong and weak points, but for its mother he's perfect.

If a group of people present to the mother a child that is better than her own, she will keep saying her son is better, and point out the flaws of the other child.

It's just a waste of time. Moreover how long have you been here? People have showed you all the mistakes in Quran. Sometimes you gave good answers, other time that answers were not so convincing. In other cases you escaped from the questions, or just said Allah knows best when you were speechless in front of the evident mistakes.
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text> As for Quran copying from Taurah and Injeel, let us listen to Quranic "Boast":
"Verily this Quran will explain most of the things on which these People of Book (i.e. Jews and Christians) have disputes..."
Not a small boast from a plagirized, riif raff, non chronologically arranged , book!!
What about the birth of Jesus that was taken from Infacy Gospels?
Allah confusing Gideon's story with Saul's one, and many others?
John Preacher

Ashburn, VA

#161383 Feb 2, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Messianic Judaism is actually Christianity trying to enter Israel through the backdoor.
The Messiah is not a Christian concept, it is a Jewish one. God prophecied through David that he would be rejected by the Jewish heirachy:
"I will praise thee: for thou hast heard me, and art become my salvation(Yeshua-Jesus). The stone(the Rock of our Salvation) which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner. This is the LORDÂ’S doing; it is marvellous in our eyes." (Psalm 118:21-23).

Prophet Isaiah also wrote that Messiah would be rejected by his own people:

"He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed." (Isaiah 53:3-5).
John Preacher

Ashburn, VA

#161384 Feb 2, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>

No one would be more pleased than I, if you can show me anyone calling Jesus, called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace, in the gospel/NT texts and any Church.
Every Church sings praises to Jesus Giving him those very Titles, so to say that he is never called by those names is ridiculous.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#161385 Feb 2, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Classic from a worthless clueless fool!
Ignorant fool,
There were no Hadith books for 350-500 years. We look at Hadith under the scrutiny of Qur'aan just like we look at the New Testament under the scrutiny of the Torah.
Please humour me more. I like Italian humour, Made in Italy!
You look at the Hadiths to understand what Quran is talking about.
Let's pick up one of the five pillars. The hajj. Give us references from Quran explains how to perform it.
John Preacher

Ashburn, VA

#161386 Feb 2, 2013
BMZ - look at this verse and tell me who is being given authority to rule the kingdom of God? It is the Son of Man-Jesus. I know you won't be able to answer, because you have a one word vocabulary-CORRUPTION! And the Jews can't deny that this scripture is the very Word of God.

"I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the SON OF MAN
(Jesus) came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of
days(Father), and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations,
and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting
dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which
shall not be destroyed." (Daniel 7:13-14).
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#161387 Feb 2, 2013
bmz wrote:
Hello, Link-copy-paste man
The silent majority of international readers know well that I construct some short posts to make a point.
You did not address my point and the question.
Did Jesus raise the pigs again? They belonged to others. Right? How could he destroy the stock of the poor farmers? Were they wild boars?
The point is that these are stupid, absurd and wild stories.
When Jesus had never said, "I am the Son of God", how the hell did the Demon know?
When the Church fathers could not find Jesus saying anywhere, "I am the Son of God", they fitted in in such absurd stories in the gospels, to show that the demons called him the Son of God, while the amn and people never said that.
And how can educated fools like you believe in those childish and absurd stories?
Mental Blockhead,

It isn't that you reject them as "stupid, absurd and wild stories," the point is that you repeatedly and deliberately MISREPRESENT the Gospel stories as written, making up your own preferred narrative as you go, which is why I call you a liar and a poor one at that; though you think yourself clever, you are the very definition of an "ignorant fool."

Moreover, you believe similarly "stupid, absurd and wild stories" that are in the Qur'an for no other reason than that they are in the Qur'an, and this because of your a priori assumption that Mohammad could not possibly have been an "ignorant fool" who recited damned nonsense that he heard in his travels but later attributed to Allah/Jibreel, such as baby Jesus delivering a sermon from the cradle and child Jesus' bestowal of life on clay birds episodes, not to mention the whole Satanic verses screwup wherein your "prophet" first commended the intercession of Allah's supposed daughters, and then repented, crying, "The devil made me do it!"

My guess is that the "silent majority of international readers" who even bother to read your posts agree with me that you are a mental blockhead.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#161388 Feb 2, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
I think, the prophet's earliest disciples are from young and weaker members of society.
The elders and educated are "too puffed up" to listen to any New Prophet.
If you see the "Minor prophets as mentioned in Bible, you will appreciate what I wrote".
There is no fault of Jesus as he choosing the best of who hearken to his message.
These disciples were taught and trained by Jesus. If his mission would have been longer, he would have imparted much knowledge to them.
But seeing in the larger context, there was not much to be changed. Jesus did not bring any new religion. He and his disciples followed the law of Moses, which was almost complete.
A few things were to be changed , which he did.
Jesus knew and taught his disciples that a "New prophet whom the world is waiting far, shall come after him, and set every thing right".
The problem came when Christians under the influence of St. Paul tried to create a "new religion" and distanced themselves from laws of Moses. That was the problem because Jesus' teachings were not sufficient to start a new religion.
And then there was "character assassination" of Jesus' chosen disciples and negate their importance.
These Questions and answers between Jesus and his disciples are part of the training process and I find no fault in it.
Allah Knows best.
Salaam
MUQ
At long last I can actually thank you for something that you have written, and this regarding bmz of Singapore's trashing of Jesus' disciples, but do you honestly think that he will take correction from you or any other Muslim critic?

My bet is that you will find, as I have found, that bmz is "too puffed up" to be taught. You see, he already knows everything that there is to know about Jesus and his disciples and the Church and the Church fathers, etc, etc...
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#161389 Feb 2, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Then it would be "all the easier" to plagiarise a zig zag, not chronological, riff raff of something in Arabic that can pass off as "Duplicate Quran".
Why no one took up the challenge in past 1400 years? Does it not look to you as strange?
So instead of describing all the faults of Quran, it would be easier to compose something "in a flash" would it not be?
So when we an expect a "New Quran" from you? In a few hours? A few days? A few months? A few years? Or next 1400 years?!!
As for Quran copying from Taurah and Injeel, let us listen to Quranic "Boast":
"Verily this Quran will explain most of the things on which these People of Book (i.e. Jews and Christians) have disputes..."
Not a small boast from a plagirized, riif raff, non chronologically arranged , book!!
Remember, the "Duplicate Quran" has to be written in Arabic WITHOUT diacritical marks so that readers are left to guess what the words actually mean until the scholars of ancient Arabic make a final determination. It also has to include as many historical and scientific falsehoods and logical errors and contradictions as the Original Quran for it to meet the challenge of producing a Quran "like it."

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