Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 Full story: The Brussels Journal 207,126

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#161224 Feb 1, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
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Is this excerpt from the link below wrong:
"Allah (God) spoke to prophet Muhammad through Hazaret the Angel Gabriel (Jibril) in Arabic, that is the Quran language."
Why if allah is all powerful did he have to talk through a created being? Couldn't he speak for himself?
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_did_Allah_speak...
Forget that. Let me have the answer to the following question:

Did Jesus say, "I am God?" Did he make any such insane, foolish and absurd statement?
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#161225 Feb 1, 2013
bmz wrote:
Every where. You will have to read Qur'aan and find that out. Can you get a simple translation and read?
Mental Blockhead and Liar,

Even you acknowledged that Mohammad never said that "Allah" spoke to him. Rather, he said it was some terrifying "angel" that was later named "Jibreel," or "Gabriel," by his wife's cousin Waraqa, not that this was the creature's true name, but it sure did provide a nice tie in to both Christianity and Judaism, didn't it?

Mormons have a tougher sell. Their "angel" Moroni is nowhere mentioned by name in the Bible OR the Qur'an.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#161226 Feb 1, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Forget that. Let me have the answer to the following question:
Did Jesus say, "I am God?" Did he make any such insane, foolish and absurd statement?
Ha, ha, ha, you know that allah never talked to anyone. So the koran was not from allah, but some 'angel'. mohammad even thought the 'angel' was a demon. Why can't you be honest with yourself?
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#161227 Feb 1, 2013
bmz wrote:
Forget that. Let me have the answer to the following question:
Did Jesus say, "I am God?" Did he make any such insane, foolish and absurd statement?
Mental Blockhead,

Jesus didn't have to say, "I am God," not when his own Father was testifying on his behalf, first at Jesus' baptism and again at his Transfiguration, and no, your objections fall flat that those passages where the Father testifies about his son were invented by "ignorant fools" to "divinize" Jesus.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#161228 Feb 1, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
Ha, ha, ha, you know that allah never talked to anyone. So the koran was not from allah, but some 'angel'. mohammad even thought the 'angel' was a demon. Why can't you be honest with yourself?
Demons were only living among Israelites, according to the NT. Jesus was a demon specialist.

On one occasion he drove two demons into 2000 pigs, which belonged to poor farmers and paid them no compensation.

Why didn't he drive two demons into two pigs?

Did he raised those innocent pigs back?

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#161229 Feb 1, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you telling me allah never talked to mohammad? Why are you so dishonest with yourself? You going on trying to destroy Jesus and yet allah never even talked to mohammad. You have no way of knowing who/what allah is.
I told you only this:

Demons were present only in the three year period of Jesus' ministry. We do not find any reports of demons living in humans in your OT and the Jewish Tanakh.

Now, please chew my flesh and drink my blood. Answer this:

Did Jesus say, "I am God?" Did he make any such insane, foolish and absurd statement?

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#161230 Feb 1, 2013
Correction, Paul

Should read:

On one occasion he drove two demons into 2000 pigs, which belonged to poor farmers and paid them no compensation.

Why didn't he drive two demons into two pigs?

Did he raise those innocent pigs back?

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#161231 Feb 1, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Mental Blockhead,
Jesus didn't have to say, "I am God," not when his own Father was testifying on his behalf, first at Jesus' baptism and again at his Transfiguration, and no, your objections fall flat that those passages where the Father testifies about his son were invented by "ignorant fools" to "divinize" Jesus.
The Father did not testify that Jesus was God.

Come up with something solid, if you can find it in the New Testament.

We want a statement direct from the horse' mouth.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#161232 Feb 1, 2013
Correction, Buford

Should read: We want a statement direct from the horse's mouth.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#161233 Feb 1, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Demons were only living among Israelites, according to the NT. Jesus was a demon specialist.
On one occasion he drove two demons into 2000 pigs, which belonged to poor farmers and paid them no compensation.
Why didn't he drive two demons into two pigs?
Did he raised those innocent pigs back?
So mohammad didn't know demons were not outside the Israelites? Some woman had to tell mohammad the demon was really an angel. Can the witness of one women be trusted; after all islam says women are not so bright and need two of them to be sure they are right.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#161234 Feb 1, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
The Father did not testify that Jesus was God.
Come up with something solid, if you can find it in the New Testament.
We want a statement direct from the horse' mouth.
We also want a statement direct from the horse's, allah's, mouth saying he is a god.
Alex123 aka WM

Romford, UK

#161235 Feb 1, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
Is this excerpt from the link below wrong:
"Allah (God) spoke to prophet Muhammad through Hazaret the Angel Gabriel (Jibril) in Arabic, that is the Quran language."
Why if allah is all powerful did he have to talk through a created being? Couldn't he speak for himself?
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_did_Allah_speak...
For the same reason why mother Mary received God's message from the angel.
uhuh

Murcia, Spain

#161236 Feb 1, 2013
"Whenever the prophets report that they received revelation from HaShem, our Sages explain that they actually received through an angel, in one of two ways - a dream or a vision, "In a vision I will make myself known unto him, in a dream I will speak unto him" (Num 12:6).
Vision is something terrible and fearful which a prophet feels while awake, as experienced by Daniel. Sometimes the prophet is much affected and greatly trembles, as was the case with Abraham."

(Maimonides, Guide for the Confused)

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#161237 Feb 1, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
We also want a statement direct from the horse's, allah's, mouth saying he is a god.
Hello, Abdul Jesus Tu-Quoque

First get me a direct statement for the horse's mouth, I mean Jesus' mouth, "I am God".

Now, can you find that direct from the horse's mouth or not?
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#161239 Feb 1, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
For the same reason why mother Mary received God's message from the angel.
So allah never talked to mohammad. All you have at best is hearsay.

Where you demand hearing it from the horse's mouth so do we. You have no proof allah is god or that he even exists. All you have is the word of a questionable 'angel'.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#161240 Feb 1, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello, Abdul Jesus Tu-Quoque
First get me a direct statement for the horse's mouth, I mean Jesus' mouth, "I am God".
Now, can you find that direct from the horse's mouth or not?
This thread is about who/what is allah. From what I've learned so far from you muslims is that you claim some 'angel' spoke to mohammad; who then dictated it to others; who then wrote it on scraps of wood, leaves, etc. These original scraps of documents were copied into a manuscript and the original destroyed or lost; the original manuscript was then copied and different versions were made of it; later someone else came along and added punctuation marks and burnt all the other versions.

I would not trust any work with this history, let alone saying it came from God alimighty.
Alex123 aka WM

Romford, UK

#161241 Feb 1, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
So allah never talked to mohammad. All you have at best is hearsay.
Where you demand hearing it from the horse's mouth so do we. You have no proof allah is god or that he even exists. All you have is the word of a questionable 'angel'.
Yes God never talked to Mohammad, directly. God sent an angel that gave to our prophet his message, as he did with Mary. If you want to verify what I said to you is true then go and ask to the horse's mouth, that is god almighty, record it on something and post it on youtube so that anyone can hear it. lol
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#161243 Feb 1, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello, Abdul Jesus Tu-Quoque
First get me a direct statement for the horse's mouth, I mean Jesus' mouth, "I am God".
Now, can you find that direct from the horse's mouth or not?
I want a direct statement from allah saying he is God. I don't want to hear it third, forth, fifth hand in some book. Can you show in the koran that allah spoke directly to mohammad?
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#161244 Feb 1, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes God never talked to Mohammad, directly. God sent an angel that gave to our prophet his message, as he did with Mary. If you want to verify what I said to you is true then go and ask to the horse's mouth, that is god almighty, record it on something and post it on youtube so that anyone can hear it. lol
God did not send an angel to mohammad, an 'angel' spoke to mohammad and claimed he was speaking for allah. mohammad thought the 'angel' was a demon until a woman told him differently. Can the testimony of a single woman be trusted?
Alex123 aka WM

Romford, UK

#161245 Feb 1, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
God did not send an angel to mohammad, an 'angel' spoke to mohammad and claimed he was speaking for allah. mohammad thought the 'angel' was a demon until a woman told him differently. Can the testimony of a single woman be trusted?
Angels take orders from God, and god won't let angels do what the want. In Islam angels can't disobey to god.
Where do you find in Quran Mohammad thought the angel was a demon. I want the chapter and verse. lol

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