Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 Read more: The Brussels Journal 216,779

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#161230 Feb 1, 2013
Correction, Paul

Should read:

On one occasion he drove two demons into 2000 pigs, which belonged to poor farmers and paid them no compensation.

Why didn't he drive two demons into two pigs?

Did he raise those innocent pigs back?

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#161231 Feb 1, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Mental Blockhead,
Jesus didn't have to say, "I am God," not when his own Father was testifying on his behalf, first at Jesus' baptism and again at his Transfiguration, and no, your objections fall flat that those passages where the Father testifies about his son were invented by "ignorant fools" to "divinize" Jesus.
The Father did not testify that Jesus was God.

Come up with something solid, if you can find it in the New Testament.

We want a statement direct from the horse' mouth.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#161232 Feb 1, 2013
Correction, Buford

Should read: We want a statement direct from the horse's mouth.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#161233 Feb 1, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Demons were only living among Israelites, according to the NT. Jesus was a demon specialist.
On one occasion he drove two demons into 2000 pigs, which belonged to poor farmers and paid them no compensation.
Why didn't he drive two demons into two pigs?
Did he raised those innocent pigs back?
So mohammad didn't know demons were not outside the Israelites? Some woman had to tell mohammad the demon was really an angel. Can the witness of one women be trusted; after all islam says women are not so bright and need two of them to be sure they are right.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#161234 Feb 1, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
The Father did not testify that Jesus was God.
Come up with something solid, if you can find it in the New Testament.
We want a statement direct from the horse' mouth.
We also want a statement direct from the horse's, allah's, mouth saying he is a god.
Alex123 aka WM

Romford, UK

#161235 Feb 1, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
Is this excerpt from the link below wrong:
"Allah (God) spoke to prophet Muhammad through Hazaret the Angel Gabriel (Jibril) in Arabic, that is the Quran language."
Why if allah is all powerful did he have to talk through a created being? Couldn't he speak for himself?
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_did_Allah_speak...
For the same reason why mother Mary received God's message from the angel.
uhuh

Murcia, Spain

#161236 Feb 1, 2013
"Whenever the prophets report that they received revelation from HaShem, our Sages explain that they actually received through an angel, in one of two ways - a dream or a vision, "In a vision I will make myself known unto him, in a dream I will speak unto him" (Num 12:6).
Vision is something terrible and fearful which a prophet feels while awake, as experienced by Daniel. Sometimes the prophet is much affected and greatly trembles, as was the case with Abraham."

(Maimonides, Guide for the Confused)

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#161237 Feb 1, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
We also want a statement direct from the horse's, allah's, mouth saying he is a god.
Hello, Abdul Jesus Tu-Quoque

First get me a direct statement for the horse's mouth, I mean Jesus' mouth, "I am God".

Now, can you find that direct from the horse's mouth or not?
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#161239 Feb 1, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
For the same reason why mother Mary received God's message from the angel.
So allah never talked to mohammad. All you have at best is hearsay.

Where you demand hearing it from the horse's mouth so do we. You have no proof allah is god or that he even exists. All you have is the word of a questionable 'angel'.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#161240 Feb 1, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello, Abdul Jesus Tu-Quoque
First get me a direct statement for the horse's mouth, I mean Jesus' mouth, "I am God".
Now, can you find that direct from the horse's mouth or not?
This thread is about who/what is allah. From what I've learned so far from you muslims is that you claim some 'angel' spoke to mohammad; who then dictated it to others; who then wrote it on scraps of wood, leaves, etc. These original scraps of documents were copied into a manuscript and the original destroyed or lost; the original manuscript was then copied and different versions were made of it; later someone else came along and added punctuation marks and burnt all the other versions.

I would not trust any work with this history, let alone saying it came from God alimighty.
Alex123 aka WM

Romford, UK

#161241 Feb 1, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
So allah never talked to mohammad. All you have at best is hearsay.
Where you demand hearing it from the horse's mouth so do we. You have no proof allah is god or that he even exists. All you have is the word of a questionable 'angel'.
Yes God never talked to Mohammad, directly. God sent an angel that gave to our prophet his message, as he did with Mary. If you want to verify what I said to you is true then go and ask to the horse's mouth, that is god almighty, record it on something and post it on youtube so that anyone can hear it. lol
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#161243 Feb 1, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello, Abdul Jesus Tu-Quoque
First get me a direct statement for the horse's mouth, I mean Jesus' mouth, "I am God".
Now, can you find that direct from the horse's mouth or not?
I want a direct statement from allah saying he is God. I don't want to hear it third, forth, fifth hand in some book. Can you show in the koran that allah spoke directly to mohammad?
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#161244 Feb 1, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes God never talked to Mohammad, directly. God sent an angel that gave to our prophet his message, as he did with Mary. If you want to verify what I said to you is true then go and ask to the horse's mouth, that is god almighty, record it on something and post it on youtube so that anyone can hear it. lol
God did not send an angel to mohammad, an 'angel' spoke to mohammad and claimed he was speaking for allah. mohammad thought the 'angel' was a demon until a woman told him differently. Can the testimony of a single woman be trusted?
Alex123 aka WM

Romford, UK

#161245 Feb 1, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
God did not send an angel to mohammad, an 'angel' spoke to mohammad and claimed he was speaking for allah. mohammad thought the 'angel' was a demon until a woman told him differently. Can the testimony of a single woman be trusted?
Angels take orders from God, and god won't let angels do what the want. In Islam angels can't disobey to god.
Where do you find in Quran Mohammad thought the angel was a demon. I want the chapter and verse. lol

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#161247 Feb 1, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
I want a direct statement from allah saying he is God. I don't want to hear it third, forth, fifth hand in some book. Can you show in the koran that allah spoke directly to mohammad?
I CAN GIVE YOU A DIRECT STATEMENT FORM ALLAH SAYING HE IS ALLAH, but..........First get me a direct statement for the horse's mouth, I mean Jesus' mouth, "I am God".

Now, can you find that direct from the horse's mouth or not?

Regarding your silly question, God spoke directly with only one man and his name was Moses.

For your information, the gospels clearly show that God never spoke to Jesus directly at all. Can you show us God talking to Jesus in the gospels?
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#161249 Feb 1, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I CAN GIVE YOU A DIRECT STATEMENT FORM ALLAH SAYING HE IS ALLAH, but..........First get me a direct statement for the horse's mouth, I mean Jesus' mouth, "I am God".
Now, can you find that direct from the horse's mouth or not?
Regarding your silly question, God spoke directly with only one man and his name was Moses.
For your information, the gospels clearly show that God never spoke to Jesus directly at all. Can you show us God talking to Jesus in the gospels?
So you can give me a direct statement from allah saying he allah. What does that tell me? It dosen't say allah is saying he is God almighty. For all we know allah is a demon saying he's a demon.

Please provid the statement anyway.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#161250 Feb 1, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Angels take orders from God, and god won't let angels do what the want. In Islam angels can't disobey to god.
Where do you find in Quran Mohammad thought the angel was a demon. I want the chapter and verse. lol
That doesn’t prove the 'angel' was from God and was not a demon. All through his early life he thought he was demon possessed.
Alex123 aka WM

Romford, UK

#161253 Feb 1, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
That doesn’t prove the 'angel' was from God and was not a demon. All through his early life he thought he was demon possessed.
It seems that among Christians intelligence is a rarety. lol
Read again
Angels take orders from God, and god won't let angels do what the want. In Islam angels can't disobey to god.
Where do you find in Quran Mohammad thought the angel was a demon. I want the chapter and verse. lol
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#161255 Feb 1, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
It seems that among Christians intelligence is a rarety. lol
Read again
Angels take orders from God, and god won't let angels do what the want. In Islam angels can't disobey to god.
Where do you find in Quran Mohammad thought the angel was a demon. I want the chapter and verse. lol
How do you know angels take orders from God, and God won't let angels do what they want?
John Preacher

Ashburn, VA

#161258 Feb 1, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I told you only this:
Demons were present only in the three year period of Jesus' ministry. We do not find any reports of demons living in humans in your OT and the Jewish Tanakh.
Yes BMZ you can find demons possessing people in the OT. When Saul disobeyed God, he allowed an evil spirit to possess him.

"And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him." (1 Samuel 16:23).

By the way, nowhere in the koran does it say Gabriel appeared to Mohammad, the demons name wa Jibril, which is not Gabriel. Muslims have just changed his name to match the name of the angel who appeared to Mary, because Jibril is not a name of any of God's angels, in the Bible.

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