Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 256485 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Brussels Journal.

Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#161143 Jan 31, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
We have the prophet St Paul .....
In support of your claim let me present my
"ALL CREDIT TO THE REAL LAMB":
This is one of the MOST IMPORTANT proposals in “Christian” theology/history ever:

ST. PAUL is THE REAL LAMB who was SACRIFICED for HIS OWN GHOST-GOD

(JESUS was THE REAL MESSIAH who was SAVED by REAL GOD for JESUS to RETURN to CONFIRM REAL MONOTHEISM)

- St. Paul has "seen/authorized/written at least 14 of the NT books.
- Jesus has NEVER" seen/authorized/written a single NT book.

- St. Paul was much more successful in getting the message to Gentiles and Israelites than Jesus EVER was.

- Jesus was narrowly concentrating ONLY on the Israelites while St. Paul boldly promoted his OWN vision to the Gentiles as well.

- St. Paul’s followers COMPLETELY IGNORE what Jesus said about his “NON DIVINITY” but COMPLETELY believe St. Paul about his conversations with “god the ghost”.

- Seems that St. Paul’s conversation with his “god the ghost” have a DIRECT and SIGNIFICANT bearing on modern day followers of St. Paul than Jesus and his conversations with his CREATOR the REAL GOD.

- Followers of St. Paul COMPLETELY ignore what Jesus said about “COMPLYING with LAW” but COMPLETELY believe what St. Paul said about “NON COMPLIANCE with LAW”

- St. Paul (NOT Jesus) had the FINAL say in the theology of atonement and St. Paul single handedly DECIDED that his followers were redeemed from the Law and from Sin by the sacrifice of the “Lamb of his god”. The “Lamb” happens to be St. Paul.

This “Sacrifice” has been superimposed on Jesus’ escape from death wrongly calling it “Resurrection”.
Jesus had NO say in this whatsoever.
- While Jesus advocated MERCY instead of sacrifice (for animals in the temple, and EVEN his eventual attempted sacrifice/crucifixion) respecting the rights of animals, St. Paul REBUKED those who would not eat meat as “WEAK in faith”, thus FURTHER alienating himself from the REAL Jesus, his followers and their beliefs.
- St. Paul was EVIDENTLY more successful being MORE THAN ONE PERSON (Jew, Gentile and more) at the same time than Jesus EVER was (Struggling to be man and god at same time).

- St. Paul was EVIDENTLY more successful as a HEALER and LIFE GIVER apparently without permission from God.

- St. Paul was tried before a REAL KING (Agrippa) ostensibly giving him recognition as a King of the Jews while Jesus was tried before the servants of the King.

-- St. Paul was EVIDENTLY immune from snake bites.

- St. Paul gave HIS religion the name “Christianity”, although this has nothing to do with Jesus who was the REAL CHRIST.

- St. Paul is more powerful than the later invented Trinity that needs three beings to do what St. Paul did single-handedly.

- St. Paul was EVIDENTLY more successful in dealing with many nations, a multitude of adoring crowds, Kings, Elders and Priests compared with Jesus who was unrecognized & marginalized by many (It took Judas to point him out), hiding in little towns and village settlements riding two donkeys.
- St. Paul along with Peter - NOT Jesus, had a HUGE influence on the early life of the “Church” in Rome.
- St. Paul was EVIDENTLY more successful as the sacrificial LAMB than Jesus EVER was, because St. Paul had his HEAD CHOPPED off with proper blood “sprinkled” and probably was partly set on fire with “fat burning”, whereas Jesus was supposed to have been nailed to a pagan pole with broken limbs that is not acceptable to Judaism as a proper “Sacrifice”.

- St. Paul’s own “scriptures” make DIRECT reference to St. Paul as being “VIEWED” as a “god” and as “God in Human Form”, whereas Jesus has NO such DIRECT honor in the NT.

- THEREFORE, ST. PAUL IS THE TRUE LEADER OF THE CHURCH AND SHOULD BE THE REAL LAMB OF HIS OWN GHOST-GOD.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#161144 Jan 31, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Paul you are seriously lying I am afraid.
Did Jesus EVER tell his disciples anything about this "prophet" paul?
Who told you this?
Paul was an interloper, a hijacker a liar.
Jesus knows nothing about Paul.
Ar eyou suggesting that Jesus made such a mess that Paul had to come sort it as his spin doctor?
Everytime you introduce more books and paul, we know the mission has not been accomplished.
No fulfillment of prophecies.
Paul is your god because Paul spoke to "god" and "god" spoke to paul.
Paul took the message to gentiles.
Paul rubbed shoulders with important people.
Jesus did no such things.
Therefore, your god appears to be paul in whom you place your trust.
Show us one verse from Jesus saying..Paul will come and sort everything for me. Paul will nail the law to the cross because i didn't have the guts to do it!
Please paul give it a rest.
Your problem is that you think you can tell God what He should have done. God's Holy Spirit worked in His way not your way. St Paul was anointed by the Holy Spirit; he was Born Again of the water and the Spirit; and through the gift of prophecy from the Holy Spirit he became a prophet of God.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#161145 Jan 31, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
<quoted text>
That Eloheinu means our lord I understood it yet since I can grasp a bit of semitic language. I don't understand why you wanted to clarify that.
Not everything I post is geared towards an argument. I was just correcting BMZ for the sake of correcting

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#161146 Jan 31, 2013
John Preacher wrote:
Direct from the Hebrew Bible:
6 For a child is born to us, a son is given to us; dominion will rest on his shoulders, and he will be given the name Pele-Yo'etz El Gibbor
Avi-'Ad Sar-Shalom [Wonder of a Counselor, Mighty God, Father of
Eternity, Prince of Peace],
Explain to us "fools" who the child spoken of here is, who is the child that will be called the Mighty God? Is it not Jesus Christ?
Us Hebrews dont have a bible. We have tanach. Which explains why you mangle your translations.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#161147 Jan 31, 2013
PAUL THE GREAT ACTOR
Galatians 1:13–14; (Landing Jews in trouble again, but he was also Greco-roman.)
13 You know what I was like when I followed the Jewish religion—how I violently persecuted God’s church. I did my best to destroy it.
14 I was far ahead of my fellow Jews in my zeal for the traditions of my ancestors.

Philippians 3:5-6,(Can you trust him? he is landing the Jews in trouble again.)
5 I was circumcised when I was eight days old. I am a pure-blooded citizen of Israel and a member of the tribe of Benjamin—a real Hebrew if there ever was one (IS HE TELLING THE TRUTH?). I was a member of the Pharisees, who demand the strictest obedience to the Jewish law (IS SAUL-PAUL TELLING THE TRUTH?).
6. I was so ZEALOUS that I harshly PERSECUTED the church. And as for righteousness, I obeyed the law without fault.

ACTS 5:17-18; (Is he landing the Jews in trouble, being a "greco-roman"?)
17. The high priest and his officials (Jewish and WAS SAUL PAUL part of this as he was all things to all men?.), who were Sadducees, were filled with jealousy.
18. They arrested the apostles and put them in the public jail.(SAUL PAUL SPECIALITY.)

ACTS 5:40
40. The others accepted his advice (Gamaliel who gets the sentence commuted, NO THANKS TO SAUL PAUL.). They (Jewish leaders) called in the apostles and had them FLOGGED. Then they ordered them never again to speak in the name of Jesus, and they let them go.

ACTS 6:11-14; (Is he landing the Jews in trouble, being a "greco-roman(.)"?)
11. So they persuaded some men (SURELY SAUL PAUL MUST HAVE HAD A HAND?) to LIE about Stephen, saying,“We heard him blaspheme Moses, and even God.”
12. This roused the people, the elders, and the teachers of religious law (Jews!). So they arrested (SAUL-PAUL SPECIALITY) Stephen and brought him before the high council.
13. The lying witnesses (SAUL PAUL INCLUDED?) said,“This man is always speaking against the holy Temple and against the law of Moses,
14. We have heard him say that this Jesus of Nazarethc will destroy the Temple and change the customs Moses handed down to us.”(FALSE WITNESS?)

ACTS 7:54-58; (Is he landing the Jews in trouble, being a "greco-roman(.)"?)
54 The Jewish leaders were infuriated by Stephen’s accusation, and they (the Jewish leaders) shook their fists at him in rage.
55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed steadily into heaven and saw the glory of God, and he saw Jesus standing in the place of honor at God’s right hand.
56 And he told them(the Jewish leaders),“Look, I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing in the place of honor at God’s right hand.”

57Then they (the Jewish leaders) put their hands over their ears and began SHOUTING. They (The Jewish leaders) rushed at him
58and dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. His accusers took off their coats and laid them at the feet of a young man named Saul (PAUL.)
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#161148 Jan 31, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
In support of your claim let me present my
"ALL CREDIT TO THE REAL LAMB":
This is one of the MOST IMPORTANT proposals in “Christian” theology/history ever:
ST. PAUL is THE REAL LAMB who was SACRIFICED for HIS OWN GHOST-GOD
(JESUS was THE REAL MESSIAH who was SAVED by REAL GOD for JESUS to RETURN to CONFIRM REAL MONOTHEISM)
- St. Paul has "seen/authorized/written at least 14 of the NT books.
- Jesus has NEVER" seen/authorized/written a single NT book.
- St. Paul was much more successful in getting the message to Gentiles and Israelites than Jesus EVER was.
- Jesus was narrowly concentrating ONLY on the Israelites while St. Paul boldly promoted his OWN vision to the Gentiles as well.
- St. Paul’s followers COMPLETELY IGNORE what Jesus said about his “NON DIVINITY” but COMPLETELY believe St. Paul about his conversations with “god the ghost”.
- Seems that St. Paul’s conversation with his “god the ghost” have a DIRECT and SIGNIFICANT bearing on modern day followers of St. Paul than Jesus and his conversations with his CREATOR the REAL GOD.
- Followers of St. Paul COMPLETELY ignore what Jesus said about “COMPLYING with LAW” but COMPLETELY believe what St. Paul said about “NON COMPLIANCE with LAW”
- St. Paul (NOT Jesus) had the FINAL say in the theology of atonement and St. Paul single handedly DECIDED that his followers were redeemed from the Law and from Sin by the sacrifice of the “Lamb of his god”. The “Lamb” happens to be St. Paul.
This “Sacrifice” has been superimposed on Jesus’ escape from death wrongly calling it “Resurrection”.
Jesus had NO say in this whatsoever.
- While Jesus advocated MERCY instead of sacrifice (for animals in the temple, and EVEN his eventual attempted sacrifice/crucifixion) respecting the rights of animals, St. Paul REBUKED those who would not eat meat as “WEAK in faith”, thus FURTHER alienating himself from the REAL Jesus, his followers and their beliefs.
- St. Paul was EVIDENTLY more successful being MORE THAN ONE PERSON (Jew, Gentile and more) at the same time than Jesus EVER was (Struggling to be man and god at same time).
>>>>>>>

- THEREFORE, ST. PAUL IS THE TRUE LEADER OF THE CHURCH AND SHOULD BE THE REAL LAMB OF HIS OWN GHOST-GOD.
You say the NT is lies and then you try to use it to support your claims. That makes no sense, so your argument can be promptly ignored. However, you have nothing to support your claim mohammad was a prophet of God. Oh, you say he said so, and that is good enough for you. Well, it is not good enough for me, you may held in chains by the koran, I am not. I am not submissive to the muslim community which is the true allah for muslims.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#161149 Jan 31, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
In support of your claim let me present my
"ALL CREDIT TO THE REAL LAMB":
This is one of the MOST IMPORTANT proposals in “Christian” theology/history ever:
ST. PAUL is THE REAL LAMB who was SACRIFICED for HIS OWN GHOST-GOD
(JESUS was THE REAL MESSIAH who was SAVED by REAL GOD for JESUS to RETURN to CONFIRM REAL MONOTHEISM)
- St. Paul has "seen/authorized/written at least 14 of the NT books.
- Jesus has NEVER" seen/authorized/written a single NT book.
- St. Paul was much more successful in getting the message to Gentiles and Israelites than Jesus EVER was.
- Jesus was narrowly concentrating ONLY on the Israelites while St. Paul boldly promoted his OWN vision to the Gentiles as well.
- St. Paul’s followers COMPLETELY IGNORE what Jesus said about his “NON DIVINITY” but COMPLETELY believe St. Paul about his conversations with “god the ghost”.
- Seems that St. Paul’s conversation with his “god the ghost” have a DIRECT and SIGNIFICANT bearing on modern day followers of St. Paul than Jesus and his conversations with his CREATOR the REAL GOD.
- Followers of St. Paul COMPLETELY ignore what Jesus said about “COMPLYING with LAW” but COMPLETELY believe what St. Paul said about “NON COMPLIANCE with LAW”
- St. Paul (NOT Jesus) had the FINAL say in the theology of atonement and St. Paul single handedly DECIDED that his followers were redeemed from the Law and from Sin by the sacrifice of the “Lamb of his god”. The “Lamb” happens to be St. Paul.
This “Sacrifice” has been superimposed on Jesus’ escape from death wrongly calling it “Resurrection”.
Jesus had NO say in this whatsoever.
- While Jesus advocated MERCY instead of sacrifice (for animals in the temple, and EVEN his eventual attempted sacrifice/crucifixion) respecting the rights of animals, St. Paul REBUKED those who would not eat meat as “WEAK in faith”, thus FURTHER alienating himself from the REAL Jesus, his followers and their beliefs.
- St. Paul was EVIDENTLY more successful being MORE THAN ONE PERSON (Jew, Gentile and more) at the same time than Jesus EVER was (Struggling to be man and god at same time).
- St. Paul was EVIDENTLY more successful as a HEALER and LIFE GIVER apparently without permission from God.
- St. Paul was tried before a REAL KING (Agrippa) ostensibly giving him recognition as a King of the Jews while Jesus was tried before the servants of the King.
-- St. Paul was EVIDENTLY immune from snake bites.
- St. Paul gave HIS religion the name “Christianity”, although this has nothing to do with Jesus who was the REAL CHRIST.
- St. Paul is more powerful than the later invented Trinity that needs three beings to do what St. Paul did single-handedly.
- St. Paul was EVIDENTLY more successful in dealing with many nations, a multitude of adoring crowds, Kings, Elders and Priests compared with Jesus who was unrecognized & marginalized by many (It took Judas to point him out), hiding in little towns and village settlements riding two donkeys.
- St. Paul along with Peter - NOT Jesus, had a HUGE influence on the early life of the “Church” in Rome.
- St. Paul was EVIDENTLY more successful as the sacrificial LAMB than Jesus EVER was, because St. Paul had his HEAD CHOPPED off with proper blood “sprinkled” and probably was partly set on fire with “fat burning”, whereas Jesus was supposed to have been nailed to a pagan pole with broken limbs that is not acceptable to Judaism as a proper “Sacrifice”.
- St. Paul’s own “scriptures” make DIRECT reference to St. Paul as being “VIEWED” as a “god” and as “God in Human Form”, whereas Jesus has NO such DIRECT honor in the NT.
- THEREFORE, ST. PAUL IS THE TRUE LEADER OF THE CHURCH AND SHOULD BE THE REAL LAMB OF HIS OWN GHOST-GOD.
Who is allah? allah is the muslim community to which all muslims are submissive. It is the fear of each other that keep muslims in line and submissive.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#161150 Jan 31, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
Who is allah? allah is the muslim community to which all muslims are submissive. It is the fear of each other that keep muslims in line and submissive.
ALLAH is THE GOD in CHRISTIAN BIBLE in Arabic.
This is Genesis...and you see GOD - ALLAH.
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http://www.arabicbible.com/arabic-bible.html
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#161151 Jan 31, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
Who is allah? allah is the muslim community to which all muslims are submissive. It is the fear of each other that keep muslims in line and submissive.
You can go to the link and download in Word!
If you can read Arabic you will see Allah in Genesis!
AND in John 1:1..... ALLAH!
AND in your famous John 3:16..ALLAH!
What more do you want!!!!
Poetic justic eh.
Why don't you worship Allah instead of a naked man.
http://www.arabicbible.com/arabic-bible.html
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#161152 Jan 31, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
ALLAH is THE GOD in CHRISTIAN BIBLE in Arabic.
This is Genesis...and you see GOD - ALLAH.
1&#1601;&#1616;&#1 610; &#1575;&#1604;&#16 18;&#1576;&#1614;& #1583;&#1618;&#1569; &#1616; &#1582;&#1614;&#16 04;&#1614;&#1602;& #1614; &#1575;&#1604;&#16 04;&#1607;&#1615; &#1575;&#1604;&#15 87;&#1617;&#1614;& #1605;&#1614;&#1575; &#1608;&#1614;&#15 75;&#1578;&#1616; &#1608;&#1614;&#15 75;&#1604;&#1571;& #1614;&#1585;&#1618; &#1590;&#1614;. 2&#1608;&#1614;&#1 603;&#1614;&#1575; &#1606;&#1614;&#15 78;&#1616; &#1575;&#1604;&#15 71;&#1614;&#1585;& #1618;&#1590;&#1615; &#1582;&#1614;&#15 85;&#1616;&#1576;& #1614;&#1577;&#1611; &#1608;&#1614;&#15 82;&#1614;&#1575;& #1604;&#1616;&#1610; &#1614;&#1577;&#16 11;&#1548; &#1608;&#1614;&#15 93;&#1614;&#1604;& #1614;&#1609; &#1608;&#1614;&#15 80;&#1618;&#1607;& #1616;
http://www.arabicbible.com/arabic-bible.html
You claim the Holy Bible is corrupt so what difference does it make? But the Holy Bible is not corrupt and allah is not in it. You have not proven the koran is from God so nothing from it can be trusted as being from God.

Studying how islam came about it looks like the muslim community contrive islam to help control the people and allah is just a euphemism for the muslim community. The rituals of islam are designed to gain control of the muslim people.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#161153 Jan 31, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
You say the NT is lies and then you try to use it to support your claims. That makes no sense, so your argument can be promptly ignored. However, you have nothing to support your claim mohammad was a prophet of God. Oh, you say he said so, and that is good enough for you. Well, it is not good enough for me, you may held in chains by the koran, I am not. I am not submissive to the muslim community which is the true allah for muslims.
I am happy to work with you Paul.
You have nothing to prove honest paul is prophet!
Did BJ tell the disciples that honest paul would be coming after he runs off?
I maintain that the message of Prophet/Messenger Jesus who came for the Jews has been corrupted by liars to sell a pagan version of "Judaism" to the Gentiles.
Clearly the Holy Prophet Muhammed opened eyes so people stopped worhipping idols and naked men to return to the worship of TRUE God who is not a man and who nnever came as a man.
You are not asked to be submissive to muslims. you must submit only to God.
God is not a Jew, Christian or Muslim!!!
God is NOT human.

The NT makes these claims and these are for you to reflect on...
In support of your claim let me present my
"ALL CREDIT TO THE REAL LAMB":
This is one of the MOST IMPORTANT proposals in “Christian” theology/history ever:
ST. PAUL is THE REAL LAMB who was SACRIFICED for HIS OWN GHOST-GOD
(JESUS was THE REAL MESSIAH who was SAVED by REAL GOD for JESUS to RETURN to CONFIRM REAL MONOTHEISM)
- St. Paul has "seen/authorized/written at least 14 of the NT books.
- Jesus has NEVER" seen/authorized/written a single NT book.
- St. Paul was much more successful in getting the message to Gentiles and Israelites than Jesus EVER was.
- Jesus was narrowly concentrating ONLY on the Israelites while St. Paul boldly promoted his OWN vision to the Gentiles as well.
- St. Paul’s followers COMPLETELY IGNORE what Jesus said about his “NON DIVINITY” but COMPLETELY believe St. Paul about his conversations with “god the ghost”.
- Seems that St. Paul’s conversation with his “god the ghost” have a DIRECT and SIGNIFICANT bearing on modern day followers of St. Paul than Jesus and his conversations with his CREATOR the REAL GOD.
- Followers of St. Paul COMPLETELY ignore what Jesus said about “COMPLYING with LAW” but COMPLETELY believe what St. Paul said about “NON COMPLIANCE with LAW”
- St. Paul (NOT Jesus) had the FINAL say in the theology of atonement and St. Paul single handedly DECIDED that his followers were redeemed from the Law and from Sin by the sacrifice of the “Lamb of his god”. The “Lamb” happens to be St. Paul.
This “Sacrifice” has been superimposed on Jesus’ escape from death wrongly calling it “Resurrection”.
Jesus had NO say in this whatsoever.
- While Jesus advocated MERCY instead of sacrifice (for animals in the temple, and EVEN his eventual attempted sacrifice/crucifixion) respecting the rights of animals, St. Paul REBUKED those who would not eat meat as “WEAK in faith”, thus FURTHER alienating himself from the REAL Jesus, his followers and their beliefs.
- St. Paul was EVIDENTLY more successful being MORE THAN ONE PERSON (Jew, Gentile and more) at the same time than Jesus EVER was (Struggling to be man and god at same time).
>>>>>>>

- THEREFORE, ST. PAUL IS THE TRUE LEADER OF THE CHURCH AND SHOULD BE THE REAL LAMB OF HIS OWN GHOST-GOD.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#161154 Jan 31, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
Who is allah? allah is the muslim community to which all muslims are submissive..
Be honest paul...there is not a lot about BJ who was in hiding and who led a simple life in huts.
Paul is a mega magnate!!
In support of your claim let me present my
"ALL CREDIT TO THE REAL LAMB":
This is one of the MOST IMPORTANT proposals in “Christian” theology/history ever:
ST. PAUL is THE REAL LAMB who was SACRIFICED for HIS OWN GHOST-GOD
(JESUS was THE REAL MESSIAH who was SAVED by REAL GOD for JESUS to RETURN to CONFIRM REAL MONOTHEISM)
- St. Paul has "seen/authorized/written at least 14 of the NT books.
- Jesus has NEVER" seen/authorized/written a single NT book.
- St. Paul was much more successful in getting the message to Gentiles and Israelites than Jesus EVER was.
- Jesus was narrowly concentrating ONLY on the Israelites while St. Paul boldly promoted his OWN vision to the Gentiles as well.
- St. Paul’s followers COMPLETELY IGNORE what Jesus said about his “NON DIVINITY” but COMPLETELY believe St. Paul about his conversations with “god the ghost”.
- Seems that St. Paul’s conversation with his “god the ghost” have a DIRECT and SIGNIFICANT bearing on modern day followers of St. Paul than Jesus and his conversations with his CREATOR the REAL GOD.
- Followers of St. Paul COMPLETELY ignore what Jesus said about “COMPLYING with LAW” but COMPLETELY believe what St. Paul said about “NON COMPLIANCE with LAW”
- St. Paul (NOT Jesus) had the FINAL say in the theology of atonement and St. Paul single handedly DECIDED that his followers were redeemed from the Law and from Sin by the sacrifice of the “Lamb of his god”. The “Lamb” happens to be St. Paul.
This “Sacrifice” has been superimposed on Jesus’ escape from death wrongly calling it “Resurrection”.
Jesus had NO say in this whatsoever.
- While Jesus advocated MERCY instead of sacrifice (for animals in the temple, and EVEN his eventual attempted sacrifice/crucifixion) respecting the rights of animals, St. Paul REBUKED those who would not eat meat as “WEAK in faith”, thus FURTHER alienating himself from the REAL Jesus, his followers and their beliefs.
- St. Paul was EVIDENTLY more successful being MORE THAN ONE PERSON (Jew, Gentile and more) at the same time than Jesus EVER was (Struggling to be man and god at same time).
- St. Paul was EVIDENTLY more successful as a HEALER and LIFE GIVER apparently without permission from God.
- St. Paul was tried before a REAL KING (Agrippa) ostensibly giving him recognition as a King of the Jews while Jesus was tried before the servants of the King.
-- St. Paul was EVIDENTLY immune from snake bites.
- St. Paul gave HIS religion the name “Christianity”, although this has nothing to do with Jesus who was the REAL CHRIST.
- St. Paul is more powerful than the later invented Trinity that needs three beings to do what St. Paul did single-handedly.
- St. Paul was EVIDENTLY more successful in dealing with many nations, a multitude of adoring crowds, Kings, Elders and Priests compared with Jesus who was unrecognized & marginalized by many (It took Judas to point him out), hiding in little towns and village settlements riding two donkeys.
- St. Paul along with Peter - NOT Jesus, had a HUGE influence on the early life of the “Church” in Rome.
- St. Paul was EVIDENTLY more successful as the sacrificial LAMB than Jesus EVER was, because St. Paul had his HEAD CHOPPED off with proper blood “sprinkled” and probably was partly set on fire with “fat burning”, whereas Jesus was supposed to have been nailed to a pagan pole with broken limbs that is not acceptable to Judaism as a proper “Sacrifice”.
- St. Paul’s own “scriptures” make DIRECT reference to St. Paul as being “VIEWED” as a “god” and as “God in Human Form”, whereas Jesus has NO such DIRECT honor in the NT.
- THEREFORE, ST. PAUL IS THE TRUE LEADER OF THE CHURCH AND SHOULD BE THE REAL LAMB OF HIS OWN GHOST-GOD.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#161155 Jan 31, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
You claim the Holy Bible is corrupt so what difference does it make? But the Holy Bible is not corrupt and allah is not in it. You have not proven the koran is from God so nothing from it can be trusted as being from God.
Studying how islam came about it looks like the muslim community contrive islam to help control the people and allah is just a euphemism for the muslim community. The rituals of islam are designed to gain control of the muslim people.
Wake up Paul. "holy" bible was not written in english first!
ofcourse your english "holy" bible refers to god!
THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE in arabic refers to GOD as ALLAH.
Why do you refuse to accept your OWN books?
You know you have no answers because you didn't even know this FACT!
I have given all the links to your OWN Holy bible in arabic that says ALLAH is GOD!!
ALLAH is THE GOD THE "FATHER" in Heaven.
You do submit to ALLAH but you don't even know it!

I realised it when I was a Christian priest.
I dropped the books and dropped to my knees to bow to GOD the FATHER in Heaven - ALLAH.

May GOD the "FATHER" in Heaven, ALLAH guide you.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#161156 Jan 31, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Be honest paul...there is not a lot about BJ who was in hiding and who led a simple life in huts.
Paul is a mega magnate!!
In support of your claim let me present my
"ALL CREDIT TO THE REAL LAMB":
This is one of the MOST IMPORTANT proposals in “Christian” theology/history ever:
ST. PAUL is THE REAL LAMB who was SACRIFICED for HIS OWN GHOST-GOD
(JESUS was THE REAL MESSIAH who was SAVED by REAL GOD for JESUS to RETURN to CONFIRM REAL MONOTHEISM)
- St. Paul has "seen/authorized/written at least 14 of the NT books.
- Jesus has NEVER" seen/authorized/written a single NT book.
- St. Paul was much more successful in getting the message to Gentiles and Israelites than Jesus EVER was.
- Jesus was narrowly concentrating ONLY on the Israelites while St. Paul boldly promoted his OWN vision to the Gentiles as well.
- St. Paul’s followers COMPLETELY IGNORE what Jesus said about his “NON DIVINITY” but COMPLETELY believe St. Paul about his conversations with “god the ghost”.
- Seems that St. Paul’s conversation with his “god the ghost” have a DIRECT and SIGNIFICANT bearing on modern day followers of St. Paul than Jesus and his conversations with his CREATOR the REAL GOD.
- Followers of St. Paul COMPLETELY ignore what Jesus said about “COMPLYING with LAW” but COMPLETELY believe what St. Paul said about “NON COMPLIANCE with LAW”
- St. Paul (NOT Jesus) had the FINAL say in the theology of atonement and St. Paul single handedly DECIDED that his followers were redeemed from the Law and from Sin by the sacrifice of the “Lamb of his god”. The “Lamb” happens to be St. Paul.
This “Sacrifice” has been superimposed on Jesus’ escape from death wrongly calling it “Resurrection”.
Jesus had NO say in this whatsoever.
- While Jesus advocated MERCY instead of sacrifice (for animals in the temple, and EVEN his eventual attempted sacrifice/crucifixion) respecting the rights of animals, St. Paul REBUKED those who would not eat meat as “WEAK in faith”, thus FURTHER alienating himself from the REAL Jesus, his followers and their beliefs.
- St. Paul was EVIDENTLY more successful being MORE THAN ONE PERSON (Jew, Gentile and more) at the same time than Jesus EVER was (Struggling to be man and god at same time).
- St. Paul was EVIDENTLY more successful as a HEALER and LIFE GIVER apparently without permission from God.
- St. Paul was tried before a REAL KING (Agrippa) ostensibly giving him recognition as a King of the Jews while Jesus was tried before the servants of the King.
-- St. Paul was EVIDENTLY immune from snake bites.
- St. Paul gave HIS religion the name “Christianity”, although this has nothing to do with Jesus who was the REAL CHRIST.
- St. Paul is more powerful than the later invented Trinity that needs three beings to do what St. Paul did single-handedly.
- St. Paul was EVIDENTLY more successful in dealing with many nations, a multitude of adoring crowds, Kings, Elders and Priests compared with Jesus who was unrecognized & marginalized by many (It took Judas to point him out), hiding in little towns and village settlements riding two donkeys.
- St. Paul along with Peter - NOT Jesus, had a HUGE influence on the early life of the “Church” in Rome.
- St. Paul was EVIDENTLY more successful as the sacrificial LAMB than Jesus EVER was, because St. Paul had his HEAD CHOPPED off with proper blood “sprinkled” and probably was partly set on fire with “fat burning”, whereas Jesus was supposed to have been nailed to a pagan pole with broken limbs that is not acceptable to Judaism as a proper “Sacrifice”.
- St. Paul’s own “scriptures” make DIRECT reference to St. Paul as being “VIEWED” as a “god” and as “God in Human Form”, whereas Jesus has NO such DIRECT honor in the NT.
- THEREFORE, ST. PAUL IS THE TRUE LEADER OF THE CHURCH AND SHOULD BE THE REAL LAMB OF HIS OWN GHOST-GOD.
Who is allah? allah is the muslim community to which all muslims are submissive..
John Preacher

Ashburn, VA

#161157 Jan 31, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
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You can go to the link and download in Word!
If you can read Arabic you will see Allah in Genesis!
AND in John 1:1..... ALLAH!
AND in your famous John 3:16..ALLAH!
What more do you want!!!!
Poetic justic eh.
Why don't you worship Allah instead of a naked man.
http://www.arabicbible.com/arabic-bible.html
These translators had no other option than to use the name Allah, because the only word for God in Arabic is Allah, its not right to use the name Allah, obviously these translators didn't know how else to translate it into Arabic. They should have used the Hebrew name for God. But this in no way validates Allah as god.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#161160 Jan 31, 2013
John Preacher wrote:
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These translators had no other option than to use the name Allah, because the only word for God in Arabic is Allah, its not right to use the name Allah, obviously these translators didn't know how else to translate it into Arabic. They should have used the Hebrew name for God. But this in no way validates Allah as god.
Surely that means Allah has ALWAYS been GOD.
Long before even the word God was invented!
Why do you think Jesus called his GOD..ALAAH??
You need to accept something VERY VERY simple...
Jews believe that they worship the God of Adam, Noah, Abraham et al.

Muslims believe that they worship the God of Adam, Noah, Abraham et al with monotheistic history going back before Muhammed.

Christians (the majority of whom are NOT even semitic Jew or Arab) believe that they worship the God of Abraham et al but they worship a man as God.
Just by calling the God of Adamn and Noah Yahweh (which is not to be found in Tanach!!) or john smith will NOT change the FACT that all three religions BELIEVE they worship the GOD of Adam, Noah, Abraham et al.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#161162 Jan 31, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
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I never intentionally make fun of you rabbee. we may have an occasional laugh or joke but nothing serious.
Back to sucking paps...try stopping me!
Never too old for that...lol
That poor man on his way to the cross was pondering all the lost opportunity of sucking paps in return for dispensing living tadpole water from pump.
rabbee: if you are going to insult anyone, can you try to keep it truthfull. shure you think, your being clever. but i don't think G-D, thinks it is as cute as you do. the world is become ugly enough, without adding to it's uglyness.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#161166 Jan 31, 2013
John Preacher wrote:
You don't seem to realize that Adam and Eve corrupted the whole earth with sin. And the only way that God can fix it, is to start again with a new creation. Jesus was the first of the new creation, he was the new adam, from which we mudt all become descendants, if you are not found united with christ when God starts again you will perish along with the rest of the corrupted world. For God is going to start again.
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." (2 Corinthians 5:17).l
"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." (1 Corinthians 15:22).
"The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption." (1 Corinthians 15:47-50).
Because flesh is now corrupted God had to start anew through Christ.
rabbee: how can the same gal with the same guy, ever be called the new Adam? when all of you, have not done any different than this same time before the deluvian.

where do you all, get that name eve from? it is not even mentioned in TheTorah, and adam has never even dated or known a woman by the name eve. there is no name, for the woman chaooah in TheTorah. just like Noach's Wife, does not have a name either.

how can you even claim Adam is the first person on earth? when Adam never arrives untill near the end of the fourth day. and adam and his mate do not return untill the end of this sixth day here in TheStory Again.

and it specificly tells you, that Noach, HisFamily and the animals are always the first peoples here on earth for day one.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#161168 Jan 31, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
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That was made up in "john" by unknown johns 200 years after the event as an afterthought!
I was a real preacher mr. john!
rabbee: calling yourself a real preacher, does not mean you were being realistic as a teacher.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#161170 Jan 31, 2013
John Preacher wrote:
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These translators had no other option than to use the name Allah, because the only word for God in Arabic is Allah, its not right to use the name Allah, obviously these translators didn't know how else to translate it into Arabic. They should have used the Hebrew name for God. But this in no way validates Allah as god.
As your fellow believer Paul WV agrees with me why not use the word JESUS instead of God or Yhwh.
The Jews reject your Jesus and it is comical that you steal their books and claim their God came as a man!!!
Here is my suggeston from the OT....and NT...as you believe Jesus is god, why not use that name instead of insulting God by saying he came as a man from a womans inside.

It's time we make it clear to the world that your god is a pagan man.

Genesis 1:

1 In the beginning JESUS created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of JESUS moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And JESUS said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And JESUS saw the light, that it was good: and JESUS divided the light from the darkness.

5 And JESUS called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And JESUS said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And JESUS made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And JESUS called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

John 1:
1 In the beginning was JESUS, and JESUS was with JESUS, and JESUS was JESUS.
2 The same was in the beginning with JESUS.
3 All things were made by JESUS; and without JESUS was not any thing made that was made.
4 In JESUS was life; and the life was the light of men.
6 There was a man sent from JESUS, whose name was John.

John 3:
16 For JESUS so loved the world, that JESUS gave his only begotten Son JESUS, that whosoever believeth in JESUS should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For JESUS sent not his Son JESUS into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through JESUS might be saved.

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