Who Is Allah?

[Paul WV]

Alex123 aka WM wrote:

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It may be useful to familiarise ourselves with a few definitions of "God".
Hope it makes sense if I say, by defintion God cannot have father, mother, son, brother, sister, uncle, aunt, grandad, grandma.........
If people do a bit of research, they won't hopefully ask ask if God is lonely witohut any relatives!!!

What you don't seem to understand is an analogy God has given man to help him in understanding something of His nature. There are not two men and a dove walking around in Heaven and sitting on throns. Don't tell me allah is a little old man with a gray beard and hair or a warrior with his sword in hand? What is allah?

[Frijoles]

Paul WV wrote:

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What differnce does that make what fourn you are posting from; we are talking about allah. Oh, you are talking about the pagan moon god of the pre-islamic arabs. Well that is the same allah of mohammad. Oh, you are talking about the Allah that Christians use for the Name of God in arab countries. But the muslims in those countries don't want Christians to use the name allah.
On this thread I am discussing the islamic moon god allah. Now if your not discussing the allah of islam be specific who/what your are referring to.

Actually if you were a twad more observant, or stuck around a little, you might notice that the topic is about religion as a whole. And sometimes more. Shocking, shocking, shocking, I know.

[Alex123 aka WM]

John Preacher wrote:

Still waiting for an answer why
Allah has given himself the name Al-Mu'akhir, THE GREAT DECEIVER
(According to the Bible Satan is the
Great Deceiver in Revelation. 12:9) So
how can you believe any “god” who
calls himself THE GREAT DECEIVER?

Why do you keep changing your name several times,(POTS, jeffrey whyte...and do you wish to be reminded of your last nick name arnie the jinnie martini..garamba..the poo poo diaper head..of a..bemused nutter and..god seer. the..nutjob?)
Don't you think that is a good question too?
And please provide the chapter and verse in Holy Quran referring to the name and how you got the translation!
Were you "delayed" or anything "postponed" lately?

[Alex123 aka WM]

Paul WV wrote:

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What you don't seem to understand is an analogy God has given man to help him in understanding something of His nature. There are not two men and a dove walking around in Heaven and sitting on throns. Don't tell me allah is a little old man with a gray beard and hair or a warrior with his sword in hand? What is allah?

I can see that you are struggling with this concept of squeezing unlimited GOD into a limited man.
Everytime you refer to "jesus" you refer ONLY to a man but you refuse ditch him from your image of GOD.
We are not talking abut men or doves. Those are in YOUr "bible"!
We have no problem with forcing a man on GOD or vice versa.
GOD and man are not the same.

This is why I gave you the story of a HUMAN pig farmer who took on the form of a pig to die for the sins of pigs. I know the story may have sounded absurd and insulting but it was to make a point.
It insults both man and pig.

Similarly the story about NON HUMAN GOD taking on the form of human is an insult to both GOD and man.
You need to reflect on this before you eventually become a Muslim.
Peace.

[Buford]

bmz wrote:

Wrong again.
In fact, the Christians are not allowed to think at all. It has been going on for so long that the Christians have stopped thinking.
Those, who could think, started to join Lollards. Have you ever heard about them?
And credit goes to Lollards for exposing Christianity and her silly doctrines and other absurdities.
Read some great articles by various men of intellect, whose material was kept banned and started to come out in the early 19th Century.

I know that Muslims aren't allowed to think, because this could lead to apostasy. It's just that it would be nice for a change to actually discuss questions about where Mohammad clearly GOT IT WRONG.

http://quran.com/5/101-102

O you who have believed, do not ask about things which, if they are shown to you, will distress you. But if you ask about them while the Qur'an is being revealed, they will be shown to you. Allah has pardoned that which is past; and Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing. A people asked such [questions] before you; then they became thereby disbelievers.

[Buford]

MUQ wrote:

Strange Unanimity:
1. Do you not think that this is a strange behaviour. While these different groups are hardly united on any other issue, the thing they are united on is that "Quran is false and Our prophet is a false Prophet"
2. And this is what Quran said "After Truth, what is left, but the falsehood"? And our prophet said "All these who reject Islam are one group" and we see that all Non Muslims unite when there is any dispute with any Muslim country.
3. So is this situation scary? And Muslims should feel afraid? By no means, it is for good of Muslims, it is high time for them to come back to Islam and unite and pose a united front to enemies of Islam.
4. Had the situation been different and some of these Non Muslims were backing and supporting Muslims, there would have been some room for doubt.
PS:
And actually this "unanimity" of all Non Muslim religions and religious groups against Islam, has guided some people to Accept Islam!!
They were amazed to see so much anti Islamic bias in these diverse groups, who do not agree on any single issue.
This strange behaviour told them that Islam must be right and all these religious groups are 'afraid" of Islam!!

Dr. Baranabas,

Whose work are you plagiarizing now?

Oh, while you're at it, tell us about the "unanimity" in Islam, by which I mean the Shi'ite "heretics" next door in Iraq and Iran.

[Buford]

http://quran.com/22/52-53

And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet except that when he spoke [or recited], Satan threw into it [some misunderstanding]. But Allah abolishes that which Satan throws in; then Allah makes precise His verses. And Allah is Knowing and Wise.

[That is] so He may make what Satan throws in a trial for those within whose hearts is disease and those hard of heart. And indeed, the wrongdoers are in extreme dissension.
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Christians reading this and even Jews are convinced that the "prophet" of Islam was far worse that a liar; he was a blasphemer who charged God/Allah with malicious INCOMPETENCE.

Now, why would Allah allow that a prophet should speak damned lies one day, and then the unvarnished truth the next day?

IOW, why would Allah deliberately CONFUSE us?

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

IOW, Muslims, your "prophet" was trying to cover his own accomodating ass, and he didn't mind throwing every other prophet of God under the bus in the process, which makes him a coward, AT LEAST.

[Buford]

Muslims,

I would ask you to cite an instance or instances in the Tanakh or Injeel where "Satan" threw in some misunderstanding that was later corrected by that SAME prophet, or ANOTHER (excluding Mohammad, because he is himself compromised). Was Moses so afflicted? What about Isaiah? Jeremiah? Micah? Habakkuk? Jesus?

I want chapter(s) and verse(s), please.

[Buford]

Alex123 aka WM wrote:

Ofocurse, people are at liberty to completely deny God and they may even be right, but if you profess to believe in ONE God, then Islam is the ONLY answer.
Salaams.

Al-EX the Phallo-Mohammad-centric,

Monotheistic Religions

Religions Accepting the Existence of the Single God
http://altreligion.about.com/od/mythologicalf...

Judaism
Judaism is the original Abrahamic faith. It posits the existence of a single all-powerful, indivisible god. Jews address their god by a variety of names, including "God."

Christianity
Christianity also believes in a single all-powerful god, but most Christians believe the essence of God is divided into Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and that the Son took mortal form in the shape of Jesus, born to a Jewish woman named Mary. The most common term for the Christian deity is "God."

Islam
Muslims hold that their god is also the god of Jews and Christians, and they recognize the prophets of those religions as also prophets of theirs. Like Jews, the Islamic view of god is indivisible. Thus, while they accept jesus as a prophet, they do not accept him as a god or part of god. Muslims commonly call their deity Allah, although they sometimes anglicize it to "God."

Baha'i Faith
Baha'is believe that God is indivisible. However, he periodically sends down manifestations to communicate his will to humanity. These manifestations possess the knowledge of God and are "as God" to humans, but they are not actually pieces of God. They believe these manifestations have appeared in any religions across the world. Baha'is commonly refer to their deity as Allah or God.

Rastafari Movement
Rastas commonly address their god as Jah, short for the Jewish name YHWH, which is sometimes pronounced Yahweh or Jehovah by non-Jews.(Jews never utter that name, considering it the unpronounceable name of God.) Jah's follow the Christian belief that Jah has incarnated himself on earth. They accept Jesus as one incarnation but also add Haile Selassie as a second incarnation.

Zoroastrianism
The deity of Zoroastrianism is Ahura Mazda. He is indivisible. However, a variety of emanations descend from him, which represent various aspects of him. Zoroastrianism is not an Abrahamic religion, developing independently of Abrahamic mythology.

Sikhism
Sikhs call their god by a variety of names, but the most common is Waheguru. They accept that a variety of religions follow this deity by different names. Sikhs put more emphasis on the concept of Waheguru being a part of the universe itself, rather than being separate from it.

Vodou
Vodouisants accept the existence of a single god called Bondye. Bondye is a single, indivisible god who works his will on earth through spirits known as lwa or loa.

Eckankar
ECKists believe every human soul is a fragment of a single god, and their religious practices center or self-realization and understanding in order in regain awareness of that divine nature of the soul.

Tenrikyo
Tenrikyo teaches that humanity is the metaphorical child of God the Parent, Tenri-O-no-Mikoto. God the Parent desires humanity to live joyous, optimistic and caring lives. Tenrikyo developed within a polytheistic culture, however, so some older documents give the impression that Tenrikyo is polytheistic.

[John Preacher]

Alex123 aka WM wrote:

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Why do you keep changing your name several times,(POTS, jeffrey whyte...and do you wish to be reminded of your last nick name arnie the jinnie martini..garamba..the poo poo diaper head..of a..bemused nutter and..god seer. the..nutjob?)
Don't you think that is a good question too?
And please provide the chapter and verse in Holy Quran referring to the name and how you got the translation!
Were you "delayed" or anything "postponed" lately?

I have never used another name. AND ALLAH HAS CALLED HIMSELF THE GREATEST DECEIVER
See here:
www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/allah_best_de...

And here:
www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Allah_the_Best_Deceive...

Allah admits himself that you can't believe anything he says, for he is the best deceiver of all. ie Satan.

[Buford]

John Preacher wrote:

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Wow Buford, literally from the mouth of the false prophet Mohammad himself, Mohammad declared himself to be a prophet of satan- astounding!!!
Bufford heres a copy of my book The Islamic antichrist:
www.sharepdfbooks.com/HANMQ56EZYWI/The_Islami...

I downloaded your pdf. I'll check it out later today. For now, here's a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch...

[Alex123 aka WM]

Buford wrote:

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I know that Muslims aren't allowed to think, because this could lead to apostasy. It's just that it would be nice for a change to actually discuss questions about where Mohammad clearly GOT IT WRONG.
http://quran.com/5/101-102
O you who have believed, do not ask about things which, if they are shown to you, will distress you. But if you ask about them while the Qur'an is being revealed, they will be shown to you. Allah has pardoned that which is past; and Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing. A people asked such [questions] before you; then they became thereby disbelievers.

Seen Vs Unseen.
To challenge the unseen will turn people into nutters and there is no need to waste time on usch things. Leave it to GOD.

2 Corinthians 5:7
We live by faith, not by sight.

[Alex123 aka WM]

John Preacher wrote:

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I have never used another name. AND ALLAH HAS CALLED HIMSELF THE GREATEST DECEIVER
See here:
www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/allah_best_de...
And here:
www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Allah_the_Best_Deceive...
Allah admits himself that you can't believe anything he says, for he is the best deceiver of all. ie Satan.

Get me a Muslim site with explanation from Muslims please instead giving links to poison sites that we have covered over and over.
Also need the exact verse in the Quran
Thank you.

[fogn]

youtube.com/watch... …… H.O.P.E.(Hell-o-Place-Earth).

[Alex123 aka WM]

Buford wrote:

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Al-EX the Phallo-Mohammad-centric,
Monotheistic Religions
Religions Accepting the Existence of the Single God
http://altreligion.about.com/od/mythologicalf...
Judaism
Judaism is the original Abrahamic faith. It posits the existence of a single all-powerful, indivisible god. Jews address their god by a variety of names, including "God."
Christianity
Christianity also believes in a single all-powerful god, but most Christians believe the essence of God is divided into Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and that the Son took mortal form in the shape of Jesus, born to a Jewish woman named Mary. The most common term for the Christian deity is "God."
Islam
Muslims hold that their god is also the god of Jews and Christians, and they recognize the prophets of those religions as also prophets of theirs. Like Jews, the Islamic view of god is indivisible. Thus, while they accept jesus as a prophet, they do not accept him as a god or part of god. Muslims commonly call their deity Allah, although they sometimes anglicize it to "God."
Baha'i Faith
Baha'is believe that God is indivisible. However, he periodically sends down manifestations to communicate his will to humanity. These manifestations possess the knowledge of God and are "as God" to humans, but they are not actually pieces of God. They believe these manifestations have appeared in any religions across the world. Baha'is commonly refer to their deity as Allah or God.
Rastafari Movement
Rastas commonly address their god as Jah, short for the Jewish name YHWH, which is sometimes pronounced Yahweh or Jehovah by non-Jews.(Jews never utter that name, considering it the unpronounceable name of God.) Jah's follow the Christian belief that Jah has incarnated himself on earth. They accept Jesus as one incarnation but also add Haile Selassie as a second incarnation.
Zoroastrianism
The deity of Zoroastrianism is Ahura Mazda. He is indivisible. However, a variety of emanations descend from him, which represent various aspects of him. Zoroastrianism is not an Abrahamic religion, developing independently of Abrahamic mythology.
Sikhism
Sikhs call their god by a variety of names, but the most common is Waheguru. They accept that a variety of religions follow this deity by different names. Sikhs put more emphasis on the concept of Waheguru being a part of the universe itself, rather than being separate from it.
Vodou
Vodouisants accept the existence of a single god called Bondye. Bondye is a single, indivisible god who works his will on earth through spirits known as lwa or loa.
Eckankar
ECKists believe every human soul is a fragment of a single god, and their religious practices center or self-realization and understanding in order in regain awareness of that divine nature of the soul.
Tenrikyo
Tenrikyo teaches that humanity is the metaphorical child of God the Parent, Tenri-O-no-Mikoto. God the Parent desires humanity to live joyous, optimistic and caring lives. Tenrikyo developed within a polytheistic culture, however, so some older documents give the impression that Tenrikyo is polytheistic.

I don't need cut and paste of "world religions" as I am quite knowledgeable on the matter.

Ofcourse, people are at liberty to completely deny God and THEY MAY EVEN BE RIGHT, but if you profess to believe in ONE God, then Islam is the ONLY answer.
Thank you.

[Paul WV]

Alex123 aka WM wrote:

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I can see that you are struggling with this concept of squeezing unlimited GOD into a limited man.
Everytime you refer to "jesus" you refer ONLY to a man but you refuse ditch him from your image of GOD.
We are not talking abut men or doves. Those are in YOUr "bible"!
We have no problem with forcing a man on GOD or vice versa.
GOD and man are not the same.
This is why I gave you the story of a HUMAN pig farmer who took on the form of a pig to die for the sins of pigs. I know the story may have sounded absurd and insulting but it was to make a point.
It insults both man and pig.
Similarly the story about NON HUMAN GOD taking on the form of human is an insult to both GOD and man.
You need to reflect on this before you eventually become a Muslim.
Peace.

Does allah have a brain? Eyes? Ears? Anxiously waiting your reply.

[Alex123 aka WM]

LEt me also add...nearest to Islam on the matter is Judaism.

[Alex123 aka WM]

Paul WV wrote:

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Does allah have a brain? Eyes? Ears? Anxiously waiting your reply.

I believe your god BJ had brains, eyes, ears and SEX organs.
..........
Let me remind you...
I can see that you are struggling with this concept of squeezing unlimited GOD into a limited man.
Everytime you refer to "jesus" you refer ONLY to a man but you refuse ditch him from your image of GOD.
We are not talking abut men or doves. Those are in YOUr "bible"!
We have no problem with forcing a man on GOD or vice versa.
GOD and man are not the same.
This is why I gave you the story of a HUMAN pig farmer who took on the form of a pig to die for the sins of pigs. I know the story may have sounded absurd and insulting but it was to make a point.
It insults both man and pig.
Similarly the story about NON HUMAN GOD taking on the form of human is an insult to both GOD and man.
You need to reflect on this before you eventually become a Muslim.
..........

USE THIS TEST ON ANYTHING...AND IF A "THING" PASSES THE TEST THEN THAT "THING" IS GOD:

*** GOD, The ONE and ONLY.

*** GOD, the Eternal, Absolute in existence, not temporal or conditional or not dependant on any person or thing, but all persons and things are dependant on GOD.

*** GOD begets not, nor is GOD begotten.

*** And there is none like unto GOD."

We can call the above - the touchstone of theology.
Any candidate to divinity must be subjected to this ‘acid test’ using the unique attributes of GOD, so that false gods and pretenders to divinity can be easily dismissed.

I am sorry BJ gets booted without a question as god.

[Alex123 aka WM]

USE THIS TEST ON ANYTHING...AND IF A "THING" PASSES THE TEST THEN THAT "THING" IS GOD:

*** GOD, The ONE and ONLY.

*** GOD, the Eternal, Absolute in existence, not temporal or conditional or not dependant on any person or thing, but all persons and things are dependant on GOD.

*** GOD begets not, nor is GOD begotten.

*** And there is none like unto GOD."

We can call the above - the touchstone of theology.
Any candidate to divinity must be subjected to this ‘acid test’ using the unique attributes of GOD, so that false gods and pretenders to divinity can be easily dismissed.

[Frijoles]

Alex123 aka WM wrote:

LEt me also add...nearest to Islam on the matter is Judaism.

Its a matter of perspective. To a Jewish theologian, nearest to Judaism on this matter is Islam.