Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 256289 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#159822 Jan 23, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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How can you read the first 5 books if you do not know Hebrew?
Which God do you follow?
The first five books of the Holy Bible have been translated by God's Catholic Church into many languages. These translations have been approved of, under the divine authority given God's Catholic Church, through the Keys given St Peter. Jesus said that whatsoever His Church binds and loses on earth will be bond and loosed in Heaven. When the Catholic Church puts her seal of approval on a version the Holy Bible then God puts His seal of approval on it as well.

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#159823 Jan 23, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
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The first five books of the Holy Bible have been translated by God's Catholic Church into many languages. These translations have been approved of, under the divine authority given God's Catholic Church, through the Keys given St Peter. Jesus said that whatsoever His Church binds and loses on earth will be bond and loosed in Heaven. When the Catholic Church puts her seal of approval on a version the Holy Bible then God puts His seal of approval on it as well.
Wait!

I thought it was GOD who translated it to you. Now you are saying that HUMAN beings, granted agency, did the work for her?

Why bother with the middlemen. Why not read it yourself in the language God gave it in? Do you not trust your OWN relationship with her holiness, God?
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#159824 Jan 23, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Wait!
I thought it was GOD who translated it to you. Now you are saying that HUMAN beings, granted agency, did the work for her?
Why bother with the middlemen. Why not read it yourself in the language God gave it in? Do you not trust your OWN relationship with her holiness, God?
God's Catholic Church has been given divine authority to speak for Him; I have not. God's Catholic Church has a prophetic mission to speak for God. Why would you listen to Moses when you can talk to God yourself? Don't you trust your relationship with God?

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#159825 Jan 23, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
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God's Catholic Church has been given divine authority to speak for Him; I have not. God's Catholic Church has a prophetic mission to speak for God. Why would you listen to Moses when you can talk to God yourself? Don't you trust your relationship with God?
The difference is that Moses is in the first five books. The catholic Church is not.

The other difference is that I dont recognize divine authority with any of my current religious leadership. They are human beings, sometimes flawed and sometimes brilliant, just like me.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#159826 Jan 23, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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The difference is that Moses is in the first five books. The catholic Church is not.
The other difference is that I dont recognize divine authority with any of my current religious leadership. They are human beings, sometimes flawed and sometimes brilliant, just like me.
How do you know the first five books of the Holy Bible are of divine origin? Did some people who preserved them say they are? Who are these people? Maybe they just made it all up since they have no divine authority to speak for God on the validity of these first five books.

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#159827 Jan 23, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
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How do you know the first five books of the Holy Bible are of divine origin? Did some people who preserved them say they are? Who are these people? Maybe they just made it all up since they have no divine authority to speak for God on the validity of these first five books.
So therefore we have to make more books to add on the first books (that we accept on face value), none of them which have any proof of authenticity?

I understand your argument, but it is a weak argument as it doesnt treat your religion any better.

We have deviated a little from my original query. I still dont understand why you wont read the first 5 books in the original language. Do you feel you dont have the intellectual capacity to learn a new language? You seem like a bright guy.
bmz

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#159828 Jan 23, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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How can you read the first 5 books if you do not know Hebrew?
Which God do you follow?
The God that was created exclusively for the Church by a committee of Church fathers and pagan philosophers.
bmz

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#159830 Jan 23, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
What happened to Septic anyway? Do you think he was defrocked and thrown out of his internet connection?
I think Septic gave up. Perhaps, he was tired and bored of repeating himself.

It is Paul WV now.
bmz

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#159831 Jan 23, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
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You say the Christian teachings goes against the Scritpures. If to be in compliance with Scriptures is a mark of a revealed relgion then islam fails, since it has to call the Holy Scriptures corrupt to support its false teachings. So what is it, are the Scriptures corrupt? If they are then nothing can be gained from them. If the Holy Scriptures are corrupt then all the Abrahamic religions are false.
The Christian Bible is definitely corrupt. There are lots of forgeries, edits and re-edits. It is a never ending process. Now, they do it through translations.

Not other Abrahamic religions. It is Christianity that falls because it has no leg to stand upon.
bmz

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#159832 Jan 23, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
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Who are you to say there is not Holy Spirit? Since you have not the Holy Spirit, you have not the gifts of the Holy Spirit; which includes the gift of the Discernment of Spirits, to know what is of God and what is of the devil.

Even saintly people have not fully put on the New Man in Christ Jesus and do not fully know God's ways; thus they argue. However, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, God's Catholic Church is ever lead in path of Truth.
I say that because the good LORD said there was no other besides the LORD.

This Holy Spirit, which you talk about, really does not guide as it does not exist.

If this thing known as the Holy Spirit really existed and had guided, then Arius, Athanasius and others would not have quarreled and there would have been no Council of Nicaea. Also, you would not have needed a pagan emperor to guide and fix them.

This Holy Spirit misleads people.

To many Christians it says that Jesus is the Son of God. To others, it says that Jesus is God. To some, it says that God came down as Jesus. How can one trust this Holy Spirit, which says different things to folks?

So, you can see that it has misled Christians. It cannot be trusted.

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#159833 Jan 23, 2013
bmz wrote:
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I think Septic gave up. Perhaps, he was tired and bored of repeating himself.
It is Paul WV now.
Yeah, but Paul is more polite so it isnt as much fun.

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#159834 Jan 23, 2013
bmz wrote:
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I think Septic gave up. Perhaps, he was tired and bored of repeating himself.
When I first met Septic, I assumed he was young, maybe studying to be a missionary, with no real world experience. Later he claimed to be much older. But maybe they finally sent him out on the street to knock on doors and to preach from street corners.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#159835 Jan 23, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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So therefore we have to make more books to add on the first books (that we accept on face value), none of them which have any proof of authenticity?
I understand your argument, but it is a weak argument as it doesnt treat your religion any better.
We have deviated a little from my original query. I still dont understand why you wont read the first 5 books in the original language. Do you feel you dont have the intellectual capacity to learn a new language? You seem like a bright guy.
I see no reason to read the first five books in Hebrew because we do not have the original manuscripts. We are dependent of men of God to pass on the truth to us through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. The same Spirit that gave us the original writings is still with us to guide us in whatever language we wish to read them in today.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#159836 Jan 23, 2013
bmz wrote:
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The Christian Bible is definitely corrupt. There are lots of forgeries, edits and re-edits. It is a never ending process. Now, they do it through translations.
Not other Abrahamic religions. It is Christianity that falls because it has no leg to stand upon.
islam is based on what they call a corrupt book, it definitely has no legs to stand upon. What does it stand on? The biographies and a book written years after mohammad died? Who says the koran came from God? The original koran had no punctuation so anyone could re-write it the way they wanted. The original version"s" were all burnt after a new version was written.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#159837 Jan 23, 2013
bmz wrote:
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I say that because the good LORD said there was no other besides the LORD.
This Holy Spirit, which you talk about, really does not guide as it does not exist.
If this thing known as the Holy Spirit really existed and had guided, then Arius, Athanasius and others would not have quarreled and there would have been no Council of Nicaea. Also, you would not have needed a pagan emperor to guide and fix them.
This Holy Spirit misleads people.
To many Christians it says that Jesus is the Son of God. To others, it says that Jesus is God. To some, it says that God came down as Jesus. How can one trust this Holy Spirit, which says different things to folks?
So, you can see that it has misled Christians. It cannot be trusted.
First you say there is no Holy Spirit and then you say He misleads people. As I said before, even the saints have not fully put on the New Man in Christ so they do error as an individual, but as a Church they do not error. When the bishops speak in Council they are free from error.

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#159838 Jan 23, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
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I see no reason to read the first five books in Hebrew because we do not have the original manuscripts. We are dependent of men of God to pass on the truth to us through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. The same Spirit that gave us the original writings is still with us to guide us in whatever language we wish to read them in today.
Are you aware of the fact that the Original Hebrew was translated into Greek, Latin and then English, and that these translations differ from the original Hebrew significantly?

That is not the guidance of her holiness, but the guidance of mere mortals.

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#159839 Jan 23, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
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When the bishops speak in Council they are free from error.
You have it bad.
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#159840 Jan 23, 2013
bmz wrote:
There is no such thing as the Holy Spirit besides God. The Holy Spirit does not exist.
If it had existed, the Bishops would not have quarreled for centuries. Please note that.
So, God is the Holy Spirit who simultaneously does not exist.

I'm glad that that conundrum is finally settled, by a Muslim, no less!
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#159841 Jan 23, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Are you aware of the fact that the Original Hebrew was translated into Greek, Latin and then English, and that these translations differ from the original Hebrew significantly?
That is not the guidance of her holiness, but the guidance of mere mortals.
In matters that are important to what God wanted to convey to us it's not changed.
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#159842 Jan 23, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Are you aware of the fact that the Original Hebrew was translated into Greek, Latin and then English, and that these translations differ from the original Hebrew significantly?
That is not the guidance of her holiness, but the guidance of mere mortals.
The Latin Rite Church believes that because Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would lead the Church into all truth (John 16:13), it could rest assured knowing that what it would formally teach as true and binding on the consciences of the faithful would be nothing other than what Jesus himself would teach were he present in the flesh. From this understanding proceeds the Dogma of Papal Infallibility in Matters of Faith and Morals. See: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07790a.htm

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