Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 Full story: The Brussels Journal 207,581

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#159492 Jan 21, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
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Moron...who told you I can't read Hebrew or Arabic?
You are a low class uneducated ignorant LIAR and you were caught lying.
I am not interested in missionary version of OT!!!
I reproduced Tanach from Non Gentiles.
You LIED.
You are a habitual liar.
**** Back to the Non-Gentiles....and buttboy's NONGEN-Isaiah!!!!!!!
Buttboy refuses to give credit to Non-gentile "editors" and "story tellers" who made up these stories!!!
The LIAR buttboy QUOTES from "EDITED" OT, which is a CORRUPTION of EDITED TANAKH!!!
Isaiah 49:6 he says: "It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the GENTILES, that you may bring my salvation to the ENDS of the earth."
Let's look at the REAL Non-Gen ISAIAHS ACCORDING to TANACH:
YESHAYAHU 49:6
And He said, "It is too light for you to be My servant, to establish the tribes of Jacob and to bring back the besieged of Israel, but I will make you a light of NATIONS, so that My salvation shall be until the END of the earth."
Now the difference is EMBARRASSING!!!!
.....There is NO GENTILE here, but "Nations"!!
....."ENDS of the earth" is actually "END of the earth"
Obviously, the "NATIONS" referred to are NOT Gentile NATIONS!!!
GOD will NEVER SAY SUCH dumb THINGS..!!!!
WHY would GOD want LESS THAN 0.5% NON-GENTILES to be the torch bearing bosses of 99.5+% of GENTILES?
No wonder Gentile "Christian" America has been brainwashed into believing such nonsense!
REAL GOD would have given this task to GENTILES...
GEN-YESHAYAHU 49:6....
And He said, "It is too light for you to be My servant, to establish the tribes of GENTILES and to bring back the besieged of THE WORLD, but I will make you a light of NON-GENTILE nations, so that My salvation shall be until the end of the earth."
THAT is what REAL GOD WOULD SAY!!!
See how CORRUPT things have become?
The Non-Gentile "Editors" write BOOKS to MAKE THEMSELVES SUPERIOR WITHOUT PERMISSION FROM GOD and the dumb GENTILE CHRISTIAN CORRUPTS them further to come up with OT that is supposed to lend weight to the FAKE MANGOD CLAIM!!!!!
THROW BOTH these edited/corrupted BOOKS OUT and OPEN YOUR HEARTS to the TRUE GOD who LOVES BOTH GENTILES and NON GENTILES EQUALLY.
the word is goyim - which means nations (i.e. all nations - not just Jewish tribes). That is what goyim actually means. Later, colloquially, goyim was altered to mean non Jewish, but in the tanach it means all nations. see http://www.jewishvaluesonline.org/279

end of the earth (k'tze haeretz) literally means geographic end of the earth (from sea to shining sea)

In the Jewish text there is nowhere where Jews are considered superior. Rather, we have a distinct role to play in history concurrent with obligations. Its only antiJewish people who constantly reinterept the chosen concept as superiority.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#159493 Jan 21, 2013
HughBe wrote:
Factually speaking, if you have Jews and Gentiles and it is alright to call people Jews and Gentiles then there is certainly no HONEST reason not to have the following--
1. Jews and non-Jews this being a distinction between both groups and a reflection of focus.
2. Gentiles and non-Gentiles this being a distinction between both groups and a reflection of focus.
none of that has any Hebraic foundation

carry on making stuff up, I find it amusing

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#159494 Jan 21, 2013
Buford wrote:
Frijoles,
I should say, as though you didn't know already, that Al is convinced that you "NON-GENTILES" have corrupted your texts in order to give yourselves "salvation supremacy" over the entire world.
IOW, he's jealous for Mohammad.
Also, he's not about to accept that anything you write is true if it contradicts what he is CERTAIN is true, such as the proposition that Mohammad is the seal of the prophets and the abrogator of much of what Moses decreed as true and binding.
I find all of this very amusing.

When certain posters reach the level of discussing the primary text with actual reference to the language it is written in, then we can talk about what it says VS what it possibly means

until then, much of what transpires as posts are more a reflection of their mindset than anything else.

And lastly, as a Jew I can critique my text openly without worrying about causing a riot.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#159495 Jan 21, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I assume you know some arabic, but I really doubt you know any Hebrew.
Presumably you know "ALL" Hebrew...and I don't know "ANY" Hebrew?
Do you hang around waiting to pounce?
How about the edited and corrupted books that non-gentiles produced to give themselves every sort of right that is going?
Are you gambling on the fact that many "dumb" Christians cannot read or write Hebrew and therefore, they wouldn't know a lot about the "editing" of non-gentile books including the non-existent Talmudic writing?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#159496 Jan 21, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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none of that has any Hebraic foundation
carry on making stuff up, I find it amusing
FRijoles---none of that has any Hebraic foundation

HughBe--- I am unaware that I made mention of Hebraic or any other foundation.

My point stands, if you have Jews and Gentiles and it is alright to call people Jews and Gentiles then there is certainly no HONEST reason not to have the following--

1. Jews and non-Jews this being a distinction between both groups and a reflection of focus.

2. Gentiles and non-Gentiles this being a distinction between both groups and a reflection of focus.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#159497 Jan 21, 2013
HughBe wrote:
what is he saying about the passage?
Ask him. For him, "the nations" is NOT the same as "Gentiles," and this makes ALL the difference, proving that NON-GENTILES corrupted Isaiah. The argument makes no sense to me, but then, I'm not crazy with hatred for JEWS. Are you?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#159498 Jan 21, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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none of that has any Hebraic foundation
carry on making stuff up, I find it amusing
1.Explain what you meant by "none of that has any Hebraic foundation".

2. Are YOU telling me that God Almighty did NOT call Israel GOWY or Goyim?

3. Tell me the word that is used for NATION in your scriptures. see passage.

"And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy NATION. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel"
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#159499 Jan 21, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
the word is goyim - which means nations (i.e. all nations - not just Jewish tribes). That is what goyim actually means. Later, colloquially, goyim was altered to mean non Jewish, but in the tanach it means all nations. see http://www.jewishvaluesonline.org/279
end of the earth (k'tze haeretz) literally means geographic end of the earth (from sea to shining sea)
In the Jewish text there is nowhere where Jews are considered superior. Rather, we have a distinct role to play in history concurrent with obligations. Its only antiJewish people who constantly reinterept the chosen concept as superiority.
You have already started to pump lies as usual.
You are lying about the books.
Where in the Books can you show...Gentiles are superior or even Equal in the eyes of your "god".
Where in the books it says Gentiles are the chosen people and loved by your "god".
I knew you would come with your BS hoping that you could use a couple of hebrew words here and there and look important.
You are about to get your nose rubbed in your own BS.
I suppose you did not bother to see my orginal comment...
Why on earth does a slave god of non-gentiles want the non gentiles to shine torch lights on dumb gentiles in the dark?
The non-gentile superiority is implicit in such a "dumb" verse.
Please stop pumping your usual rubbish.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#159500 Jan 21, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Presumably you know "ALL" Hebrew...and I don't know "ANY" Hebrew?
Do you hang around waiting to pounce?
How about the edited and corrupted books that non-gentiles produced to give themselves every sort of right that is going?
Are you gambling on the fact that many "dumb" Christians cannot read or write Hebrew and therefore, they wouldn't know a lot about the "editing" of non-gentile books including the non-existent Talmudic writing?
Wow! Such hatred for "non-gentiles." Even clinical!
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#159501 Jan 21, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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FRijoles---none of that has any Hebraic foundation
HughBe--- I am unaware that I made mention of Hebraic or any other foundation.
My point stands, if you have Jews and Gentiles and it is alright to call people Jews and Gentiles then there is certainly no HONEST reason not to have the following--
1. Jews and non-Jews this being a distinction between both groups and a reflection of focus.
2. Gentiles and non-Gentiles this being a distinction between both groups and a reflection of focus.
Hello HughBe, I knew the self appointed spin doctor would come to spin more sh*t here pretending to look knowledgeable to idiots like buttboy!
Mr "F" is a clueless little spin doctor who lies and gets away with it because 99% of Americans believe the clap trap the minute spin doctors use a couple of cooked up Hebrew words...
The fact remains they are con merchants.
Peace.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#159502 Jan 21, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
the word is goyim - which means nations (i.e. all nations - not just Jewish tribes). That is what goyim actually means. Later, colloquially, goyim was altered to mean non Jewish, but in the tanach it means all nations. see http://www.jewishvaluesonline.org/279
end of the earth (k'tze haeretz) literally means geographic end of the earth (from sea to shining sea)
In the Jewish text there is nowhere where Jews are considered superior. Rather, we have a distinct role to play in history concurrent with obligations. Its only antiJewish people who constantly reinterept the chosen concept as superiority.
Thank you.

As noted, Al has issues.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#159503 Jan 21, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Ask him. For him, "the nations" is NOT the same as "Gentiles," and this makes ALL the difference, proving that NON-GENTILES corrupted Isaiah. The argument makes no sense to me, but then, I'm not crazy with hatred for JEWS. Are you?
You brought it to my attention and that is why you were asked.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#159504 Jan 21, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
FRijoles---none of that has any Hebraic foundation
HughBe--- I am unaware that I made mention of Hebraic or any other foundation.
My point stands, if you have Jews and Gentiles and it is alright to call people Jews and Gentiles then there is certainly no HONEST reason not to have the following--
1. Jews and non-Jews this being a distinction between both groups and a reflection of focus.
2. Gentiles and non-Gentiles this being a distinction between both groups and a reflection of focus.
I am not sure where in the tanach there is a term for gentile, that is a later designation. Certainly not Goy. So I beleive you are mixing categories up from different periods of history. Thats what I meant by saying it had no hebraic (i.e. biblical) foundation
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#159505 Jan 21, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>The Jew hater Al won't be taught by you. He "knows" better, especially concerning Isaiah 49:6. See: http://www.qbible.com/hebrew-old-testament/is...
You belong to the cult with members who KILL Non-gentiles in their MILLIONS as CHRIST KILLERS.
Deal with it moron instead of pointing fingers at people who have no such issues with Jewish people with whom they worship ONE TRUE GOD.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#159506 Jan 21, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
You have already started to pump lies as usual.
You are lying about the books.
Where in the Books can you show...Gentiles are superior or even Equal in the eyes of your "god".
Where in the books it says Gentiles are the chosen people and loved by your "god".
I knew you would come with your BS hoping that you could use a couple of hebrew words here and there and look important.
You are about to get your nose rubbed in your own BS.
I suppose you did not bother to see my orginal comment...
Why on earth does a slave god of non-gentiles want the non gentiles to shine torch lights on dumb gentiles in the dark?
The non-gentile superiority is implicit in such a "dumb" verse.
Please stop pumping your usual rubbish.
you are truely lost with your interpretations. I wish you well.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#159507 Jan 21, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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Why you're a Muslim then?
Ruddy hell!!
You need a doctor...not an English teacher!
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#159508 Jan 21, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello HughBe, I knew the self appointed spin doctor would come to spin more sh*t here pretending to look knowledgeable to idiots like buttboy!
Mr "F" is a clueless little spin doctor who lies and gets away with it because 99% of Americans believe the clap trap the minute spin doctors use a couple of cooked up Hebrew words...
The fact remains they are con merchants.
Peace.
You are fiiled to overflowing with hatred, ex-priest.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#159509 Jan 21, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
You belong to the cult with members who KILL Non-gentiles in their MILLIONS as CHRIST KILLERS.
Deal with it moron instead of pointing fingers at people who have no such issues with Jewish people with whom they worship ONE TRUE GOD.
You are insane with hatred.

Deal with it.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#159510 Jan 21, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello HughBe, I knew the self appointed spin doctor would come to spin more sh*t here pretending to look knowledgeable to idiots like buttboy!
Mr "F" is a clueless little spin doctor who lies and gets away with it because 99% of Americans believe the clap trap the minute spin doctors use a couple of cooked up Hebrew words...
The fact remains they are con merchants.
Peace.
Frijoles is not totally clueless, he is perhaps totally DISHONEST. God called Israel GOYIM.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#159511 Jan 21, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I am not sure where in the tanach there is a term for gentile, that is a later designation. Certainly not Goy. So I beleive you are mixing categories up from different periods of history. Thats what I meant by saying it had no hebraic (i.e. biblical) foundation
Tell me the word that is used for NATION in your scriptures. see passage.

"And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy NATION. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel"

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