Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 Full story: The Brussels Journal 201,982

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#159115 Jan 19, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Braindead Muslim Zealot,
For starters, try considering the possibility of a week with two Sabbaths.
http://www.jesuschrist.com/jesus-christ-was-c...
LOL!!!!!!!!!
Why not THREE?
george whyte

Market Rasen, UK

#159116 Jan 19, 2013
Let us examine below some valid questions and answers :

Did the Pagan Arabs in pre-Islamic times worship 360 gods? Yes

Did the pagans Arabs worship the sun, moon and the stars? Yes

Did the Arabs built temples to the Moon-god? Yes

Did different Arab tribes give the Moon-god different names/titles? Yes

What were some of the names/titles? Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, Al-ilah.

Was the title “al-ilah”(the god) used as the Moon-god? Yes

Was the word “Allah” derived from “al-ilah?” Yes

Was the pagan “Allah” a high god in a pantheon of deities? Yes.

Was he worshipped at the Kabah? Yes.

Was Allah only one of many Meccan gods? Yes

Did they place a statue of Hubul on top of the Kabah? Yes.

At that time was Hubul considered the Moon-god? Yes.

Was the Kabah thus the “house of the Moon-god”? Yes.

Did the name “Allah” eventually replace that of Hubul as the name of the Moon god? Yes.

Did they call the Kabah the “house of Allah”? Yes.

Were al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat called “the daughters of Allah”? Yes.

Yusuf Ali explains in fn. 5096, pg. 1445, that Lat, Uzza and Manat were known as “the daughters of God [Allah]”

Did the Qur’an at one point tell Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat? Yes. In Surah 53:19-20.

Have those verses been “abrogated” out of the present Qur’an? Yes.

What were they called?“The Satanic Verses.”
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#159117 Jan 19, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Braindead Muslim Zealot,
For starters, try considering the possibility of a week with two Sabbaths.
http://www.jesuschrist.com/jesus-christ-was-c...
You are brainless buttboy..!
The link is coming up with bullcrap from john made up 250 later!
Are you suggesting that Wednesday is a good day to murder false prophets as the non-gentiles murdered false prophets at leisure all the time as suggested by Jesus or even BJ?

Referring to 3 days and 3 nights about NonGenJonah is pathetic.
NonGenJonah was ALIVE before the whale grabbed him..he was ALIVE while in the whales belly and ALIVE when he was chucked out by the whale!
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#159118 Jan 19, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!!!!!!!!!
Why not THREE?
Al-EX the Phallocentric,

http://www.gotquestions.org/three-days.html

Excerpt:

The Wednesday opinion states that there were two Sabbaths that week. After the first one (the one that occurred on the evening of the crucifixion [Mark 15:42; Luke 23:52-54]), the women purchased spices—note that they made their purchase after the Sabbath (Mark 16:1). The Wednesday view holds that this “Sabbath” was the Passover (see Leviticus 16:29-31, 23:24-32, 39, where high holy days that are not necessarily the seventh day of the week are referred to as the Sabbath). The second Sabbath that week was the normal weekly Sabbath. Note that in Luke 23:56, the women who had purchased spices after the first Sabbath returned and prepared the spices, then “rested on the Sabbath.” The argument states that they could not purchase the spices after the Sabbath, yet prepare those spices before the Sabbath—unless there were two Sabbaths. With the two-Sabbath view, if Christ was crucified on Thursday, then the high holy Sabbath (the Passover) would have begun Thursday at sundown and ended at Friday sundown—at the beginning of the weekly Sabbath or Saturday. Purchasing the spices after the first Sabbath (Passover) would have meant they purchased them on Saturday and were breaking the Sabbath.

Therefore, according to the Wednesday viewpoint, the only explanation that does not violate the biblical account of the women and the spices and holds to a literal understanding of Matthew 12:40, is that Christ was crucified on Wednesday. The Sabbath that was a high holy day (Passover) occurred on Thursday, the women purchased spices (after that) on Friday and returned and prepared the spices on the same day, they rested on Saturday which was the weekly Sabbath, then brought the spices to the tomb early Sunday. Jesus was buried near sundown on Wednesday, which began Thursday in the Jewish calendar. Using a Jewish calendar, you have Thursday night (night one), Thursday day (day one), Friday night (night two), Friday day (day two), Saturday night (night three), Saturday day (day three). We do not know exactly what time He rose, but we do know that it was before sunrise on Sunday. He could have risen as early as just after sunset Saturday evening, which began the first day of the week to the Jews. The discovery of the empty tomb was made just at sunrise (Mark 16:2), before it was fully light (John 20:1).

A possible problem with the Wednesday view is that the disciples who walked with Jesus on the road to Emmaus did so on “the same day” of His resurrection (Luke 24:13). The disciples, who do not recognize Jesus, tell Him of Jesus' crucifixion (24:21) and say that “today is the third day since these things happened”(24:22). Wednesday to Sunday is four days. A possible explanation is that they may have been counting since Wednesday evening at Christ's burial, which begins the Jewish Thursday, and Thursday to Sunday could be counted as three days.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#159119 Jan 19, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
You are brainless buttboy..!
The link is coming up with bullcrap from john made up 250 later!
Are you suggesting that Wednesday is a good day to murder false prophets as the non-gentiles murdered false prophets at leisure all the time as suggested by Jesus or even BJ?
Referring to 3 days and 3 nights about NonGenJonah is pathetic.
NonGenJonah was ALIVE before the whale grabbed him..he was ALIVE while in the whales belly and ALIVE when he was chucked out by the whale!
Al-EX the Phallocentric,

Matthew 12:38 Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him,“Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.”

39 He answered,“A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."
george whyte

Market Rasen, UK

#159120 Jan 19, 2013
Buford he was using the jewish calender , a new day starts at sun set,,,remeber..

by this is an old debate, i remeber debating this with muslims 10 years ago
george whyte

Market Rasen, UK

#159121 Jan 19, 2013
we must conclude that since the Hebrew word for "mouse" is akbar, we should translate the Arabic sentence "Allahu Akbar" as

"Allah is a mouse"!
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#159122 Jan 19, 2013
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#159123 Jan 19, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Al-EX the Phallocentric,
Matthew 12:38 Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him,“Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.”
39 He answered,“A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."
brainless buttboy..
LOL...
and?
Was NonGenJonah ALIVE before, during and after the belly incident?
lol.........
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#159124 Jan 19, 2013
george whyte wrote:
Buford he was using the jewish calender , a new day starts at sun set,,,remeber..
by this is an old debate, i remeber debating this with muslims 10 years ago
lol..........
Was it wed, thurs or friday?
when did your people MURDDER him?
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#159125 Jan 19, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Al-EX the Phallocentric,
Matthew 12:38 Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him,“Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.”
39 He answered,“A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."
lol..
Who is this son of man? Why do you use "upper case"?
Did B.JEWsus use upper case in his language?
son of man.....son of adam or just a human being?
oh...are you suggesting this Son of Man is not B. JEWsus?
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#159126 Jan 19, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
brainless buttboy..
LOL...
and?
Was NonGenJonah ALIVE before, during and after the belly incident?
lol.........
Al-EX the Phallocentric,

"NonGenJonah" was alive before, during, and after "the belly incident," but died at some point post-Ninevah, presumably. For his part, Jesus physically died on the cross but spent his "time" in death preaching to the dead.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, 19 through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison 20 who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built.

1 Peter 4:6 For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to men in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

It goes without saying that Mohammad did nothing of the sort, or the Qur'an would have told us so!
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#159127 Jan 19, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
lol..........
Was it wed, thurs or friday?
when did your people MURDDER him?
Al-EX the Phallocentric,

Are you sure that there aren't THREE D'S in MURDDER?
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#159128 Jan 19, 2013
..........The Need for a Clarification. Christians coming from a Gentile background had to learn this Judeo-Christian nomenclature of the week-days, because in the pagan world the week-days were not numbered but named after the seven planetary deities (dies solis, dies lunae,...). This may explain why Mark, in writing to a Gentile-Christian readership who had only recently learned the Judeo-Christian nomenclature of the week-days, deemed it necessary to clarify what he meant by "paraskeue-preparation, " by adding the qualifying phrase, "that is, the day before the sabbath" (Mark 15:42). This clarification may also have been necessitated by the fact that the seven-day planetary week itself had been recently introduced in the Roman world where the eight-day week (nundinum) was still used side by side with the planetary week.7

Additional and conclusive evidence that "paraskeue-Preparation " is used in the Gospels to designate "Friday" and not "Wednesday" is provided by the sequence in which the days of the Passion weekend are given: "Preparation, Sabbath, first day" (Matt 27:62; 28:1; Mark 15:42; 16:1; Luke 24:54-55; 24:1). Both Mark and Matthew explicitly place the beginning of the first day at the end of the Sabbath (Mark 16:1; Matt 28:1). The latter could hardly have been a Thursday Passover Sabbath, because Thursday is not followed by the first day of the week..........

Conclusion. The foregoing analysis of John 19:14, the second key text of the Wednesday Crucifixion theory, has shown that such a theory is based on human fantasy and not on a Biblical fact. We have submitted abundant evidence indicating that John’s expression "the day of Preparation of the Passover" (John 19:14), simply means, as most scholars acknowledge, "the Friday of the Passover week." Thus the Crucifixion took place on Friday and not on Wednesday.
http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/cru...
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#159130 Jan 19, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Al-EX the Phallocentric,
"NonGenJonah" was alive before, during, and after "the belly incident," but died at some point post-Ninevah, presumably. For his part, Jesus physically died on the cross but spent his "time" in death preaching to the dead.
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, 19 through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison 20 who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built.
1 Peter 4:6 For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to men in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.
It goes without saying that Mohammad did nothing of the sort, or the Qur'an would have told us so!
NONGENJONAH WAS ALIVE FOR THREE DAYS...B-JEWSUS WAS "DEAD" FOR THREE DAYS....THERE THE COMPARISON ENDS!!!
Are you sure Christ and B-Jewsus are one and same person?
LOL....
WHAT IS THE DARN POINT IN PREACHING TO THE DEAD YOU FOOL!!!!!! ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT YOU CAN DO WHAT THE HELL YOU LIKE HERE AND GET PREACHED AGAIN WHEN DEAD SO YOU CAN GET ANOTHER GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD FROM THE FALL GUY??
You are a bigger moron than the writers of some of these silly books!
If BJ died for the sins of those who by accepting can have Eternal life; Where are they? LOL....HAVE YOU SEEN ANYONE WITH ETERNAL LIFE?LOL..
What has changed since BJ "died" for the sins of non-gentiles?
Nothing!
Only thing that happened was the brainless uneducated Gentiles misinterpreted non-gentile scriptures and MURDERED millions of non-gentiles including the "recent" holocaust!
Stop lying.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#159131 Jan 19, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Al-EX the Phallocentric,
Are you sure that there aren't THREE D'S in MURDDER?
Why not, if you can have THREE D(EITIE)'S in GODDD!!!
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#159132 Jan 19, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Why not, if you can have THREE D(EITIE)'S in GODDD!!!
Why do you think mohammad was a prophet of God? He was not a descendent of Israel nor a born again Christian.

Why do you think the koran is uncorrupt when the original versions were all burnt after someone rewrote it decades later?

When did mohammad authorize the hadiths?

The biographies of mohammad can not be trusted since they were written a hundred years after he died.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#159133 Jan 19, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
..........The Need for a Clarification. Christians coming from a Gentile background had to learn this Judeo-Christian nomenclature of the week-days, because in the pagan world the week-days were not numbered but named after the seven planetary deities (dies solis, dies lunae,...). This may explain why Mark, in writing to a Gentile-Christian readership who had only recently learned the Judeo-Christian nomenclature of the week-days, deemed it necessary to clarify what he meant by "paraskeue-preparation, " by adding the qualifying phrase, "that is, the day before the sabbath" (Mark 15:42). This clarification may also have been necessitated by the fact that the seven-day planetary week itself had been recently introduced in the Roman world where the eight-day week (nundinum) was still used side by side with the planetary week.7
Additional and conclusive evidence that "paraskeue-Preparation " is used in the Gospels to designate "Friday" and not "Wednesday" is provided by the sequence in which the days of the Passion weekend are given: "Preparation, Sabbath, first day" (Matt 27:62; 28:1; Mark 15:42; 16:1; Luke 24:54-55; 24:1). Both Mark and Matthew explicitly place the beginning of the first day at the end of the Sabbath (Mark 16:1; Matt 28:1). The latter could hardly have been a Thursday Passover Sabbath, because Thursday is not followed by the first day of the week..........
Conclusion. The foregoing analysis of John 19:14, the second key text of the Wednesday Crucifixion theory, has shown that such a theory is based on human fantasy and not on a Biblical fact. We have submitted abundant evidence indicating that John’s expression "the day of Preparation of the Passover" (John 19:14), simply means, as most scholars acknowledge, "the Friday of the Passover week." Thus the Crucifixion took place on Friday and not on Wednesday.
http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/cru...
Is it suprising that Christian's Holy Day is Sunday, the day of the Lord's resurrection, while muslims day of prayer is on Friday, the day of our Lord's crucifixtion?
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#159134 Jan 19, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
..........The Need for a Clarification. Christians coming from a Gentile background had to learn this Judeo-Christian nomenclature of the week-days, because in the pagan world the week-days were not numbered but named after the seven planetary deities (dies solis, dies lunae,...). This may explain why Mark, in writing to a Gentile-Christian readership who had only recently learned the Judeo-Christian nomenclature of the week-days, deemed it necessary to clarify what he meant by "paraskeue-preparation, " by adding the qualifying phrase, "that is, the day before the sabbath" (Mark 15:42). This clarification may also have been necessitated by the fact that the seven-day planetary week itself had been recently introduced in the Roman world where the eight-day week (nundinum) was still used side by side with the planetary week.7
Additional and conclusive evidence that "paraskeue-Preparation " is used in the Gospels to designate "Friday" and not "Wednesday" is provided by the sequence in which the days of the Passion weekend are given: "Preparation, Sabbath, first day" (Matt 27:62; 28:1; Mark 15:42; 16:1; Luke 24:54-55; 24:1). Both Mark and Matthew explicitly place the beginning of the first day at the end of the Sabbath (Mark 16:1; Matt 28:1). The latter could hardly have been a Thursday Passover Sabbath, because Thursday is not followed by the first day of the week..........
Conclusion. The foregoing analysis of John 19:14, the second key text of the Wednesday Crucifixion theory, has shown that such a theory is based on human fantasy and not on a Biblical fact. We have submitted abundant evidence indicating that John’s expression "the day of Preparation of the Passover" (John 19:14), simply means, as most scholars acknowledge, "the Friday of the Passover week." Thus the Crucifixion took place on Friday and not on Wednesday.
http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/cru...
So what?

Samuele Bacchiocchi was a Seventh-day Adventist, i.e., a Christian, who rejected the Wednesday crucifiction scenario as unsupported by the text of the NT as he understood it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuele_Bacchioc...

Samuele R. Bacchiocchi (29 January 1938, Rome, Italy – 20 December 2008) was a Seventh-day Adventist author and theologian, best known for his work on the Sabbath in Christianity, particularly in the historical work From Sabbath to Sunday, based on his doctoral thesis from the Pontifical Gregorian University. He was also known for his opposition to rock music, certain dress standards, alcohol and the ordination of women. He was one of the best known Adventist scholars outside of the Adventist church.
...
Bacchiocchi taught in the religion department of Andrews University from 1974 till his retirement in 2000. He served as professor of theology and church history. He regularly presented seminars worldwide, and has written many books and articles on biblical topics, although he has been criticized by some Adventists for straying beyond his area of expertise - the Sabbath.
__________
Incidentally, Muslims don't observe the Jewish Sabbath, either, their excuse being that Mohammad -considered by them to be the last and best prophet ever, even the very "seal" of the prophets- abrogated it and many other Jewish doctrines and observances.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#159135 Jan 19, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you think mohammad was a prophet of God? He was not a descendent of Israel nor a born again Christian.
Why do you think the koran is uncorrupt when the original versions were all burnt after someone rewrote it decades later?
When did mohammad authorize the hadiths?
The biographies of mohammad can not be trusted since they were written a hundred years after he died.
Welcome clueless Paul. How are you my old mucker?

- THE MOST HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMED IS THE TRUE MESSENGER FROM GOD....there are thousands of reasons and one key reason is he has given the the Secret to true salvation:
Salvation is THROUGH GOD.
Salvation is NOT through non-gentile men who came ONLY for non-gentiles (and who insulted Gentiles as DOGS and PIGS), NOW marketed as "god" of clueless Gentiles like you!!!!!

- There is NO such thing called "Christian" in the books of Holy Prophet Jesus PBUH! Therefore, there is even less chance of him recognising a "concocted born again Christian"!!!!

- Just because non-gentiles chose to edit THEIR books to elevate themselves and claim EXCLUSIVE access to GOD,(thus excluding EVERY Gentile including you, me, chinese and the lamp post!) does NOT mean that it is correct!

Only a fools will believe that God only reaches humans through Jacob's lot that even in the edited non-gentile books are caught lying, cheating and correcting the message while handing over power to only the boys of Judah by eliminatiing every other son of jacob.

Jacob in the non-gentile books is lying his way into taking Isaacs' title from Esau. Isaac himself is not entitled to the title of Abraham while his older brother Ishmael is alive!!!

- Quran burning must have helped get rid of books written by liars? There was a need to ensure Quran was consistent and as originally written by scribes. Unlike today, if people were keeping their own records or parts of it, such confusing materials needed to be get rid of.

- Imagine if 100 different versions of Quran is put about today in different languages without the orginal version in Arabic as source, how confusing and unreliable it would be!!

OOOOOOPSSSSSS.,....that MUST ring a HUGE bell in your ears...as YOU are trapped in such confusion called "Holy Bible" in 100's of confusing different versions (all inspired by a confusing ghostly god!!) without ANY original in the language of Jesus!!!!!!!!!!

- Your last questions are not relevant as I know how to understand Hadith and the HOLY Prophets life by judging it in terms of QURAN as my ultimate source! If anything agrees with Quran I accept them and if anything leaves even a shadow of doubt if judged through Quran I reject them!!!!!!!!!

VERY SIMPLE!

- Why do you shamelessly cling on to non-gentile books and religion, when they consider you to be inferior and deserve to be UTTERLY destroyed? Poor clueless paul!
- Why do you talk about a non-gentile man who cam eonly for the non-gentiles and considered you to be DOG and PIG? Poor you!

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