Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 Full story: The Brussels Journal 205,657

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#159059 Jan 18, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>
Ressurection is what Jesus achieved, you slave of the liar and anti-christ from Mecca.
Resurrection is a hoax and a bullshit. Nobody saw him getting up and there is no eye-witness account. So, cut that out!

"He is not here" means "he has already gone out". The guy was not really dead at all, so what was the alleged resurrection about?

Read the gospel and see Peter going back home, WONDERING WHAT HAD HAPPENED?

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#159060 Jan 18, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
your all using scriptures, so screwed up by men.
I have been telling Buford, the Christian gentleman the same. Thanks for reminding him, Rabbee. Don't ever let him in.

Forgive him for not reading and understanding his books.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#159061 Jan 19, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>You are so full of shit.
Your "Jesus" should have mustered an army to overthrow Rome, but the Gospel makes clear that this was NOT the will of Jesus' Father, which is why he didn't pursue this route. You don't understand or accept this revealed truth because you look at Jesus through the Mohamad prism.
You are forced to look at the failure of the biblical Jesus and his mission, through the prism of the ugliest, the most foolish and the defeatist Doctrine of Sin, created by self-loathers, long after Jesus was gone.

That the Father had willed his death, is revulsive and absurd!

The man should have sat on the clouds, along with his Father's angels and should have finished the Romans. The problem is that he only wanted to be accepted as the long-awaited Messiah without even declaring that openly.

In my humble opinion, he was up to something but the unwilling and stingy disciples let him down saying, "Lord, we have two swords." He had wanted many. That is when he decided to give up and that was his mistake.

No where did Jesus ever say, "My Father's will is that I die". So, please stop lying.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#159062 Jan 19, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>
Braindead Muslim Zealot,
You never address the question. Why is that?
Never mind...
I always do. Can't you remember your one-liners in response?

As for questions, you never answer. Let me try this:

Why did Peter go home wondering what had happened, after he visited the empty tomb?
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#159063 Jan 19, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I always do. Can't you remember your one-liners in response?
As for questions, you never answer. Let me try this:
Why did Peter go home wondering what had happened, after he visited the empty tomb?
That was too big a riddle for him to solve!! The master said that he would suffer, the master said he would be dead for three days and how come he was back after one day only?

How can one human mind take all that shock in one day. he needed time to think....so he went home to "sleep over " the riddle!!

And of course if we accept that Gospels are telling 100 % truth from an "eye witness"!!

Salaam

MUQ

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#159064 Jan 19, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>

If he were alive today, he would have been declared insane, a nut, a lunatic and would have been locked in a padded cell in some mental institution.
The same end expected to Muhammad, with expection he was guilty to have killed thousands of people, while the Nazarene didn't.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#159065 Jan 19, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: well what does it say, in TheTorah for the final day? who does G-D, always put in charge for the last day??? this is still the same Story again, and it ain't changed folks. and G-D is going to put sombody here in TheTorah, in charge of all you nobodies here in IT. for the thousands and thousands of other third or fourth times G-D is given this story. your all still making, all the same old mental mistakes as nobodies here in TheTorah. and that is not, how to get to GanEden. so i have to return in the same story again next time, G-D gives it all.
HughBe--- So, are you saying that you shall become G-d?

rabbee: well what does it say, in TheTorah for the final day? who does G-D, always put in charge for the last day??? this is still the same Story again, and it ain't changed folks. and G-D is going to put sombody here in TheTorah, in charge of all you nobodies here in IT. for the thousands and thousands of other third or fourth times G-D is given this story. your all still making, all the same old mental mistakes as nobodies here in TheTorah. and that is not, how to get to GanEden. so i have to return in the same story again next time, G-D gives it all.

HughBe--- I see

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#159066 Jan 19, 2013
CORRECTION #159064

Bmz says: "If he were alive today, he would have been declared insane, a nut, a lunatic and would have been locked in a padded cell in some mental institution."

The same end would have expect to Muhammad with the exception he was guilty to have killed thousands of people and to have raped a little girl, while the Nazarene didn't.

I guess Muhammad would have been in jail longer than Jesus. I do suspect in some countries your self claimed prophet would have sentenced to death. And no Allah would have saved his ass.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#159067 Jan 19, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: it was not just me, who was crucified, about 2000 years ago. cause it was both me any your grandmother of all, Who were both put to death as TheOne again.
and still you do not know scripture, because the whole world was not even expecting Us Both again. cause none of you have ever, listened to G-D here in TheTorah still.
Thanks for the enlightenment.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#159068 Jan 19, 2013
SamBee wrote:
<quoted text>
Shalum Ach,
Its speaking of mankind both men and women.
Genesis 1:27
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Book of Enoch
Chapter 6
6:1
In those days, when the children of man had multiplied, it happened that there were born unto them handsome and beautiful daughters.
6:2
And the angels, the children of heaven, saw them and desired them; and they said to one another,“Come, let us choose wives for ourselves from among the daughters of man and beget us children.”
6:3
And Semyaz, being their leader, said unto them,“I fear that perhaps you will not consent that this deed should be done, and I alone will become responsible for this great sin.”
6:4
But they all responded to him,“Let us all swear an oath and bind everyone among us by a curse not to abandon this suggestion but to do the deed.” Then they all swore together and bound one another by the curse.
Chapter 7
7:1
And they took wives unto themselves, and everyone respectively chose one woman for himself, and they began to go unto them. And they taught them magical medicine, incantations, the cutting of roots, and taught them about plants.
7:2
And the women became pregnant and gave birth to great giants whose heights were three hundred cubits.
7:3
These giants consumed the produce of all the people until the people detested feeding them.
7:4
So the giants turned against the people in order to eat them.
7:5
And they began to sin against birds, wild beasts, reptiles, and fish. And their flesh was devoured the one by the other, and they drank blood.
7:6
And then the earth brought an accusation against the oppressors.
Genesis 6
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of Yahuah saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And Yahuah saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And Yahuah said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Shalum
Interesting reading.

Here is another passage that shows the word MAN being used for both sexes. Perhaps the learned rabbis will say that it does not apply to women. If that is so then men could KILL women and would be Scot-free.

"Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man." Genesis 9:6
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#159069 Jan 19, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Dear HughBe
I am now back at the fence after confirming that homosexuality is condemned by all religions. That was my main point.
Thanks
My dear BMZ, I have noted your opinion. Let me say that I am confident that in sitting on the fence you shall not fall backwards.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#159070 Jan 19, 2013
Question, does Judaism support homosexuality?

Answer is below.

"Reconstructionist Judaism and REFORM Judaism do not hold this view and ALLOW homosexual intercourse."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_sexu...

"About 1.5 million Jews in 900 synagogues are members of the Union for REFORM Judaism. According to 1990 survey, 42 percent of American Jews regard themselves as Reform"

http://www.religionfacts.com/judaism/denomina...
uhuh

Jumilla, Spain

#159071 Jan 19, 2013
"Homosexuality is not a moral sin; there is nothing immoral about it. Homosexuality is like lighting fire on Sabbath or eating bread during Passover." no big deal, why the fuss
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#159072 Jan 19, 2013
bmz wrote:
No where did Jesus ever say, "My Father's will is that I die". So, please stop lying.
Here are a few of the passages that you have no doubt read and abysmally failed to comprehend:

Luke 22:39-46

39 Jesus went out as usual to the Mount of Olives, and his disciples followed him. 40 On reaching the place, he said to them,“Pray that you will not fall into temptation.” 41 He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, 42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” 43 An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. 44 And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground.

I'd ask you what this "cup" represents, but what's the point?

Matthew 26:47-56

47 While he was still speaking, Judas, one of the Twelve, arrived. With him was a large crowd armed with swords and clubs, sent from the chief priests and the elders of the people. 48 Now the betrayer had arranged a signal with them:“The one I kiss is the man; arrest him.” 49 Going at once to Jesus, Judas said,“Greetings, Rabbi!” and kissed him.

50 Jesus replied,“Friend, do what you came for.”

Then the men stepped forward, seized Jesus and arrested him. 51 With that, one of Jesus’ companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear.

52 “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him,“for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. 53 Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? 54 But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?”

55 At that time Jesus said to the crowd,“Am I leading a rebellion, that you have come out with swords and clubs to capture me? Every day I sat in the temple courts teaching, and you did not arrest me. 56 But this has all taken place that the writings of the prophets might be fulfilled.” Then all the disciples deserted him and fled.

45 When he rose from prayer and went back to the disciples, he found them asleep, exhausted from sorrow. 46 “Why are you sleeping?” he asked them.“Get up and pray so that you will not fall into temptation.”

I'd ask you about the "writings of the prophets" that "might be fulfilled" with the arrest of Jesus, his subsequent trial and death by crucifiction, but what's the point?

It's evident that you haven't given either of these passages any real thought...
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#159073 Jan 19, 2013
bmz wrote:
I always do. Can't you remember your one-liners in response?
As for questions, you never answer. Let me try this:
Why did Peter go home wondering what had happened, after he visited the empty tomb?
Like you, Peter was slow to comprehend that Jesus would rise from the dead, but he eventually "got it." I expect you to remain as clueless and uncomprehending as ever. Even so, here's another passage for your consideration and that of the "international readers."

Luke 24:13-35

13 Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem. 14 They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. 15 As they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; 16 but they were kept from recognizing him.

17 He asked them,“What are you discussing together as you walk along?”

They stood still, their faces downcast. 18 One of them, named Cleopas, asked him,“Are you the only one visiting Jerusalem who does not know the things that have happened there in these days?”

19 “What things?” he asked.

“About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied.“He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. 20 The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him; 21 but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place. 22 In addition, some of our women amazed us. They went to the tomb early this morning 23 but didn’t find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was alive. 24 Then some of our companions went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but they did not see Jesus.”

25 He said to them,“How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.

28 As they approached the village to which they were going, Jesus continued on as if he were going farther. 29 But they urged him strongly,“Stay with us, for it is nearly evening; the day is almost over.” So he went in to stay with them.

30 When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. 31 Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight. 32 They asked each other,“Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”

33 They got up and returned at once to Jerusalem. There they found the Eleven and those with them, assembled together 34 and saying,“It is true! The Lord has risen and has appeared to Simon.” 35 Then the two told what had happened on the way, and how Jesus was recognized by them when he broke the bread.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#159074 Jan 19, 2013
bmz wrote:
Resurrection is a hoax and a bullshit. Nobody saw him getting up and there is no eye-witness account. So, cut that out!
Writes the man who believes the hearsay testimony of some Arabian warlord who claimed to be some kind of prophet or messenger of Allah. It doesn't matter that this Arabian was SIX CENTURIES REMOVED from the events in question; what matters is that he said in his Big Book 4:157 that "Jesus" was neither crucified nor killed.

The obvious question is why anyone SHOULD believe that this Arabian warlord and self-proclaimed prophet's testimony is anywhere close to being true.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#159075 Jan 19, 2013
MUQ wrote:
That was too big a riddle for him to solve!! The master said that he would suffer, the master said he would be dead for three days and how come he was back after one day only?
How can one human mind take all that shock in one day. he needed time to think....so he went home to "sleep over " the riddle!!
And of course if we accept that Gospels are telling 100 % truth from an "eye witness"!!
Salaam
MUQ
"The master" was back after one day, was he? Cite chapter and verse from the "Gospels."

http://carm.org/how-long-was-jesus-dead-tomb

How long was Jesus dead in the tomb?

Matthew 12:40 and Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2; Luke 24:1; John 20:1

1.Three days and three nights A.(Matthew 12:40)- "for just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

2.Less than three days and three nights A.(Matt. 28:1)- "Now after the Sabbath [SABBATHS -PLURAL], as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave."
B.(Mark 16:2)- "And very early on the first day of the week, they *came to the tomb when the sun had risen."
C.(Luke 24:1)- "But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bringing the spices which they had prepared."
D.(John 20:1)- "Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene *came early to the tomb, while it *was still dark, and *saw the stone already taken away from the tomb."

Something worth mentioning concerning this is that in the Greek in Matthew. 28:1, it says "Now after the Sabbaths [PLURAL], as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave." It is possible that there may have been two "sabbaths" during that week. The first may have been the Passover related "Sabbath" and the second may have been the Saturday Sabbath. If we look at Lev. 23:5-7 quoted above it says "On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work."

Another clue that this may be the case is found in a comparison of two more verses that I have arrange in a before-and-after-the-Sabbath pattern.

"And they returned and prepared spices and perfumes. And on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment,"
(Luke 23:56 ).

"And when the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him,"
(Mark 16:1).

See: http://www.ucg.org/doctrinal-beliefs/jesus-wa... for an in depth look at the TWO Sabbaths in the week scenario, that is, if you are at all interested in the truth and not just in throwing sneering jabs.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#159076 Jan 19, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
CORRECTION #159064
Bmz says: "If he were alive today, he would have been declared insane, a nut, a lunatic and would have been locked in a padded cell in some mental institution."
The same end would have expect to Muhammad with the exception he was guilty to have killed thousands of people and to have raped a little girl, while the Nazarene didn't.
I guess Muhammad would have been in jail longer than Jesus. I do suspect in some countries your self claimed prophet would have sentenced to death. And no Allah would have saved his ass.
If Jesus were walking the earth today and performing the many miracles that are attributed to him BOTH in the Gospel record and the Qur'an, I sincerely doubt that he would be "declared insane" and locked up in some mental institution, even if he also insisted that God was his father by some miracle of conception.

Put another way, Jesus back THEN had some harsh words for certain of his enemies, but he posed no direct threat to their lives or property. I expect that the same would be true of Jesus walking the earth TODAY. For his part, Mohammad performed no miracles at all, but he did manage to terrorize lots of people, especially Jews, who opposed him! Some he killed, even brutally, as a warning example for the rest, so then, wWhy should any Muslim believe that the "perfect man" would behave any differently today?
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#159077 Jan 19, 2013
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#159078 Jan 19, 2013

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