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rabbee: it was not just me, who was crucified, about 2000 years ago. cause it was both me any your grandmother of all, Who were both put to death as TheOne again.
and still you do not know scripture, because the whole world was not even expecting Us Both again. cause none of you have ever, listened to G-D here in TheTorah still.
“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”
From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal
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#159068 Jan 19, 2013
Here is another passage that shows the word MAN being used for both sexes. Perhaps the learned rabbis will say that it does not apply to women. If that is so then men could KILL women and would be Scot-free.
"Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man." Genesis 9:6
#159069 Jan 19, 2013
My dear BMZ, I have noted your opinion. Let me say that I am confident that in sitting on the fence you shall not fall backwards.
#159070 Jan 19, 2013
Question, does Judaism support homosexuality?
Answer is below.
"Reconstructionist Judaism and REFORM Judaism do not hold this view and ALLOW homosexual intercourse."
"About 1.5 million Jews in 900 synagogues are members of the Union for REFORM Judaism. According to 1990 survey, 42 percent of American Jews regard themselves as Reform"
#159071 Jan 19, 2013
"Homosexuality is not a moral sin; there is nothing immoral about it. Homosexuality is like lighting fire on Sabbath or eating bread during Passover." no big deal, why the fuss
#159072 Jan 19, 2013
Here are a few of the passages that you have no doubt read and abysmally failed to comprehend:
39 Jesus went out as usual to the Mount of Olives, and his disciples followed him. 40 On reaching the place, he said to them,Pray that you will not fall into temptation. 41 He withdrew about a stones throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, 42 Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done. 43 An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. 44 And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground.
I'd ask you what this "cup" represents, but what's the point?
47 While he was still speaking, Judas, one of the Twelve, arrived. With him was a large crowd armed with swords and clubs, sent from the chief priests and the elders of the people. 48 Now the betrayer had arranged a signal with them:The one I kiss is the man; arrest him. 49 Going at once to Jesus, Judas said,Greetings, Rabbi! and kissed him.
50 Jesus replied,Friend, do what you came for.
Then the men stepped forward, seized Jesus and arrested him. 51 With that, one of Jesus companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear.
52 Put your sword back in its place, Jesus said to him,for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. 53 Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? 54 But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?
55 At that time Jesus said to the crowd,Am I leading a rebellion, that you have come out with swords and clubs to capture me? Every day I sat in the temple courts teaching, and you did not arrest me. 56 But this has all taken place that the writings of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples deserted him and fled.
45 When he rose from prayer and went back to the disciples, he found them asleep, exhausted from sorrow. 46 Why are you sleeping? he asked them.Get up and pray so that you will not fall into temptation.
I'd ask you about the "writings of the prophets" that "might be fulfilled" with the arrest of Jesus, his subsequent trial and death by crucifiction, but what's the point?
It's evident that you haven't given either of these passages any real thought...
#159073 Jan 19, 2013
Like you, Peter was slow to comprehend that Jesus would rise from the dead, but he eventually "got it." I expect you to remain as clueless and uncomprehending as ever. Even so, here's another passage for your consideration and that of the "international readers."
13 Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem. 14 They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. 15 As they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; 16 but they were kept from recognizing him.
17 He asked them,What are you discussing together as you walk along?
They stood still, their faces downcast. 18 One of them, named Cleopas, asked him,Are you the only one visiting Jerusalem who does not know the things that have happened there in these days?
19 What things? he asked.
About Jesus of Nazareth, they replied.He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. 20 The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him; 21 but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place. 22 In addition, some of our women amazed us. They went to the tomb early this morning 23 but didnt find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was alive. 24 Then some of our companions went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but they did not see Jesus.
25 He said to them,How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory? 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.
28 As they approached the village to which they were going, Jesus continued on as if he were going farther. 29 But they urged him strongly,Stay with us, for it is nearly evening; the day is almost over. So he went in to stay with them.
30 When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. 31 Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight. 32 They asked each other,Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?
33 They got up and returned at once to Jerusalem. There they found the Eleven and those with them, assembled together 34 and saying,It is true! The Lord has risen and has appeared to Simon. 35 Then the two told what had happened on the way, and how Jesus was recognized by them when he broke the bread.
#159074 Jan 19, 2013
Writes the man who believes the hearsay testimony of some Arabian warlord who claimed to be some kind of prophet or messenger of Allah. It doesn't matter that this Arabian was SIX CENTURIES REMOVED from the events in question; what matters is that he said in his Big Book 4:157 that "Jesus" was neither crucified nor killed.
The obvious question is why anyone SHOULD believe that this Arabian warlord and self-proclaimed prophet's testimony is anywhere close to being true.
#159075 Jan 19, 2013
"The master" was back after one day, was he? Cite chapter and verse from the "Gospels."
How long was Jesus dead in the tomb?
Matthew 12:40 and Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2; Luke 24:1; John 20:1
1.Three days and three nights A.(Matthew 12:40)- "for just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."
2.Less than three days and three nights A.(Matt. 28:1)- "Now after the Sabbath [SABBATHS -PLURAL], as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave."
B.(Mark 16:2)- "And very early on the first day of the week, they *came to the tomb when the sun had risen."
C.(Luke 24:1)- "But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bringing the spices which they had prepared."
D.(John 20:1)- "Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene *came early to the tomb, while it *was still dark, and *saw the stone already taken away from the tomb."
Something worth mentioning concerning this is that in the Greek in Matthew. 28:1, it says "Now after the Sabbaths [PLURAL], as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave." It is possible that there may have been two "sabbaths" during that week. The first may have been the Passover related "Sabbath" and the second may have been the Saturday Sabbath. If we look at Lev. 23:5-7 quoted above it says "On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work."
Another clue that this may be the case is found in a comparison of two more verses that I have arrange in a before-and-after-the-Sabbath pattern.
"And they returned and prepared spices and perfumes. And on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment,"
(Luke 23:56 ).
"And when the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him,"
See: http://www.ucg.org/doctrinal-beliefs/jesus-wa... for an in depth look at the TWO Sabbaths in the week scenario, that is, if you are at all interested in the truth and not just in throwing sneering jabs.
#159076 Jan 19, 2013
If Jesus were walking the earth today and performing the many miracles that are attributed to him BOTH in the Gospel record and the Qur'an, I sincerely doubt that he would be "declared insane" and locked up in some mental institution, even if he also insisted that God was his father by some miracle of conception.
Put another way, Jesus back THEN had some harsh words for certain of his enemies, but he posed no direct threat to their lives or property. I expect that the same would be true of Jesus walking the earth TODAY. For his part, Mohammad performed no miracles at all, but he did manage to terrorize lots of people, especially Jews, who opposed him! Some he killed, even brutally, as a warning example for the rest, so then, wWhy should any Muslim believe that the "perfect man" would behave any differently today?
#159077 Jan 19, 2013
#159078 Jan 19, 2013
#159079 Jan 19, 2013
When Muhammad (SAW) reached in the age of 40 years, he used to remain alone and started spending lonely life. He then used to go cave Hira, which is today known as Mountain of Light, Muhammad (SAW) used to spend two or three days there and come back to house. One day in Hira Mountain of Light an Angle appeared to him, who is known as Gabriel, who asked Muhammad (SAW) to read, Muhammad (SAW) told him that he does not know reading, however, the Angle asked him to follow the first verse, which Angle Gabriel revealed to Muhammad (SAW) reads as follow:
Proclaim or read in the name of Thy Lord and Cherisher, who created.
This was the first revelation descend to Muhammad (SAW).
6. Now I am turning towards first part which I want to bring to your knowledge.
All Makkan, the relatives of Muhammad (SAW) are witness to this fact that Muhammad (SAW) in his lifes forty years, before the first revelation of Cave Hira, in any gathering has not indicated towards existence of any entity or Allah. Muhammad (SAW) never has given any speech or talk; in which any one would have perceive that he having any extra edge, qualities or knowledge, which all his other relatives could not have.
7. The Human experience and observation is witness of this fact that whoever having knowledge like an Ocean, he could not be remained silent for forty years and also could not spend his life like deaf and dumb. He who if keeps such quality he then surely in any meeting or gathering would have disclose his ability and knowledge. We all know very well that it is human instinct that men always try to show his superiority over other his fellow-beings and in any case show his specific quality which his other fellows could not have. It is a daily observable phenomenon that if anyone speaks good English he frequently or repeatedly takes the support of that quality to impress his other fellows.
8. But the Makkans and that time is the witness of this fact that Muhammad (SAW) in his forty years life never talk or pointed any existence of the God such as, Quran like discussion. Muhammad (SAW) entered in his youth in presence of all Makkans, and spent his youth in presence of all Makkans. No one ever at any time, could not able to say that Muhammad (SAW) before the first revelation on attaining forty years age, ever has indicated towards Allah or presented any arguments or entered into any debate which showing that he had any extra quality perhaps this is why Quran says
O, Muhammad (SAW) before revelation of Quran thou not able to read or write, if that would be, then these non-believers could have changed,
If at the presence of such declaration Muhammad (SAW) would have had such capacity, then Makkans, the rejecters, definitely would have pointed out or could have said by Muhammad(saw).
#159080 Jan 19, 2013
How is it that "Gabriel" didn't know that "Muhammad (SAW)" couldn't read? Maybe "Allah" didn't know, either.
#159081 Jan 19, 2013
What you are doing is re-hashing history written a couple of centuries after the fact with blind zeal and religious sentiments. I am not sure how much of it can be trusted. We also have another problem, ie we are not sure how much of the Koran was actually written or dictated by Mohammad.
Since: May 12
#159082 Jan 19, 2013
In today's world the Nazarene wouldn't be charged for anything expect maybe of offense to certain priestly class and some women too, while Muhammad would be charged of life setence, in most countries, to incite terrorism, to have raped a little girl, to have killed thousands of people, aiding and abetting the rape and possession of private property, ect. In other countries the electric chair would have been his sentence.
#159083 Jan 19, 2013
As an ex Gentile Christian this is "Wott that did it"!!!
WHAT ON EARTH IS GENTILE CHRISTIAN DOING WITH THESE "EDITED"/"CORRE CTED" NON GENTILE BOOKS??
***NOT FROM THEM
***NOT ABOUT THEM (BESIDES INSULTING THEM)
***NOT TO THEM
***NOT BY THEM
***NOT OF THEM (BESIDES INSULTING THEM)
***NOT FOR THEM
INFACT THESE WANT THE GENTILE UTTERLY DESTROYED!!
NonGenJoshua - Joshua
NonGenRuth - Ruth
NonGen1st Samuel -1st Samuel
NonGen2nd Samuel 2nd Samuel
NonGen1st Kings 1st Kings
NonGen2nd Kings 2nd kings
NonGen1st Chronicles - 1st Chronicles
NonGen2nd Chronicles - 2nd Chronicles
NonGenEcclesiastes - Ecclesiastes
NonGenSong of Solomon song of Solomon
NonGenIsaiah - Isaiah
NonGenJeremiah - Jeremiah
NonGenLamentations - LAmentations
NonGenEzekiel - Ezekiel
NonGenDaniel - Daniel
NonGenHosea - Hosea
NonGenJoel - Joel
NonGenAmos - Amos
NonGenObadiah - Obadiah
NonGenJonah - Jonah
NonGenMicah - Micah
NonGeNahum - Nahum
NonGenHabakkuk - Habakkuk
NonGenZephaniah - Zephaniah
NonGenHaggai - Haggai
NonGenZechariah - Zechariah
NonGenMalachi - Malachi
NonGenTobit - Tobit
NonGenJudith - Judith
NonGen1st Maccabees 1st Maccabees
NonGen2nd Maccabees 2nt Maccabees
NonGenWisdom - Wisdom
NonGenSirach - Sirach
NonGenBaruch - Baruch
NonGen1-4 Esdras 1-4 Esdras
NonGen3rd Maccabees 3rd Maccabees
NonGen4th Maccabees 4th Maccabees
NonGenPrayer of Manasseh Prayer of Manasseh
NonGenPsalm 151 (in the Septuagint) Psalm 151
#159084 Jan 19, 2013
Jesus already introduced Reconstructionist & Reform Judaism
and for that, he was cursed as one of those reshaim (the wicked, along with Lot), because his reforms were actually towards righteousness
"reforms" towards evil, otoh, are always welcomed
Since: May 12
#159085 Jan 19, 2013
In Islam one of the epithets attributed to Muhammad is Al Insan(e). How it sounds so well on him
#159086 Jan 19, 2013
Wow! So THIS is what your meds do to you!
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