Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 Full story: The Brussels Journal 205,916

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Buford

Hurricane, WV

#158916 Jan 17, 2013
bmz wrote:
Thus acknowledges the slave.
No, fool, it is mockery.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#158917 Jan 17, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
No wonder Islam has come to sort these poor people!
Al-EX the Phallocentric,

http://www.religionfacts.com/homosexuality/is...

Homosexuality in the Sharia

While there is a consensus that same-sex intercourse is in violation of Islamic law, there are differences of opinion within Islamic scholarship about punishment, reformation, and what standards of proof are required before physical punishment becomes lawful.

In Sunni Islam there are eight madhhabs, or legal schools, of which only four still exist: Hanafi, Shafi'i, Hanbali, Maliki. The main Shia school is called Ja'fari, but there are Zaidi and Ismai'ili also. More recently, some groups have rejected this tradition in favor of greater ijtihad, or individual interpretation. Of these schools, according to Michael Mumisa of the Birmingham-based Al Mahdi institute:

•The Hanafi school does not consider same-sex intercourse to constitute adultery, and therefore leaves punishment up to the judge's discretion. Most early scholars of this school specifically ruled out the death penalty, others allow it for a second offence.

•Imam Shafi'i considers same-sex intercourse as analogous to other zina; thus, a married person found to have done so is punished as an adulterer (by stoning to death), and an unmarried one, as a fornicator, is left to be flogged.

•The Maliki school says that anyone (married or unmarried) found to have committed same-sex intercourse should be punished as an adulterer.

•Within the Ja'fari schools, Sayyid al-Khoi says that anyone (married or unmarried) found to have committed same-sex intercourse should be punished as an adulterer.
__________
Have you witnessed or participated in a stoning lately?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158918 Jan 17, 2013
uhuh wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Frijoles wants everyone to acknowledge that in the Genesis account, the people of Sodom sinned because of their cruelty/inhospitality toward guests, i.e. they wanted to manhandle/rape them
if only they were to coax the guests into consensual sodomy, well then there wouldn't be any brimstones and fire
uhuh--if only they were to coax the guests into consensual sodomy, well then there wouldn't be any brimstones and fire

HughBe-- I like that
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158919 Jan 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I dont buy he was unaware. How could he be? The guy ejac-ulated (pardon my language). I think of it more like willful ignorance.
SamBee--Genesis 19:35--And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

Frijoles--I dont buy he was unaware. How could he be? The guy ejac-ulated (pardon my language). I think of it more like willful ignorance.

HughBe--- What the material are you saying, Frijoles? Are you saying that the Tanach is WRONG? Are you really saying that Moses was wrong and that your rabbis are RIGHT?

Was Moses inspired in writing the account or was it dictated to by your rabbis?

Are you still off your medication?

Please answer the dodged questions below.
1. Do your rabbis support homosexuality?
2. Do your rabbis think that homosexuality is wrong?
3. Do your rabbis teach that Lesbian sex is not condemned in scriptures?

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158920 Jan 17, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Al-EX the Phallocentric,
http://www.religionfacts.com/homosexuality/is...
Homosexuality in the Sharia
While there is a consensus that same-sex intercourse is in violation of Islamic law, there are differences of opinion within Islamic scholarship about punishment, reformation, and what standards of proof are required before physical punishment becomes lawful.
In Sunni Islam there are eight madhhabs, or legal schools, of which only four still exist: Hanafi, Shafi'i, Hanbali, Maliki. The main Shia school is called Ja'fari, but there are Zaidi and Ismai'ili also. More recently, some groups have rejected this tradition in favor of greater ijtihad, or individual interpretation. Of these schools, according to Michael Mumisa of the Birmingham-based Al Mahdi institute:
•The Hanafi school does not consider same-sex intercourse to constitute adultery, and therefore leaves punishment up to the judge's discretion. Most early scholars of this school specifically ruled out the death penalty, others allow it for a second offence.
•Imam Shafi'i considers same-sex intercourse as analogous to other zina; thus, a married person found to have done so is punished as an adulterer (by stoning to death), and an unmarried one, as a fornicator, is left to be flogged.
•The Maliki school says that anyone (married or unmarried) found to have committed same-sex intercourse should be punished as an adulterer.
•Within the Ja'fari schools, Sayyid al-Khoi says that anyone (married or unmarried) found to have committed same-sex intercourse should be punished as an adulterer.
__________
So, under we school of thought, should we try you?

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158921 Jan 17, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Al-EX the Phallocentric,
http://www.religionfacts.com/homosexuality/is...
Homosexuality in the Sharia
While there is a consensus that same-sex intercourse is in violation of Islamic law, there are differences of opinion within Islamic scholarship about punishment, reformation, and what standards of proof are required before physical punishment becomes lawful.
In Sunni Islam there are eight madhhabs, or legal schools, of which only four still exist: Hanafi, Shafi'i, Hanbali, Maliki. The main Shia school is called Ja'fari, but there are Zaidi and Ismai'ili also. More recently, some groups have rejected this tradition in favor of greater ijtihad, or individual interpretation. Of these schools, according to Michael Mumisa of the Birmingham-based Al Mahdi institute:
•The Hanafi school does not consider same-sex intercourse to constitute adultery, and therefore leaves punishment up to the judge's discretion. Most early scholars of this school specifically ruled out the death penalty, others allow it for a second offence.
•Imam Shafi'i considers same-sex intercourse as analogous to other zina; thus, a married person found to have done so is punished as an adulterer (by stoning to death), and an unmarried one, as a fornicator, is left to be flogged.
•The Maliki school says that anyone (married or unmarried) found to have committed same-sex intercourse should be punished as an adulterer.
•Within the Ja'fari schools, Sayyid al-Khoi says that anyone (married or unmarried) found to have committed same-sex intercourse should be punished as an adulterer.
Correction, Buford

Should read:

So, under which school of thought, should we try you. Thanks
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#158923 Jan 17, 2013
SANE MESSAGE:

Dr Roger Penrose, the world renowned mathematician from the University of Oxford, has said in a profound message:

“The issue of ‘responsibility’ raises deep philosophical questions concerning the ultimate cause of our behavior...Is the subject of ‘responsibility’ merely one of convenience of terminology, or is there actually something else – a conscient ‘self’ lying beyond all such influences – which exerts a control over our actions? The legal issue of ‘responsibility’ seems to imply that there is indeed, within each of us, some kind of an independent ‘self’ with its own responsibilities – and, by implications, rights – whose actions are not attributable to (genetic) inheritance, environment or chance. If it is other than a mere convenience of language that we speak as though there were such an independent ‘self’, then there must be an ingredient missing from our present-day physical understandings. The discovery of such an ingredient would surely profoundly alter our scientific outlook.”

COMMENT: Obviously, consciousness and its finer aspects like supramental processes, mind, emotions, will, thoughts, feelings and life are beyond the ken of the crude inferential methods/analyzes of physical sciences and mathematics.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158924 Jan 17, 2013
SamBee wrote:
<quoted text>
What prophecy did your prophet Mohammad predict that has come to pass?
Predict: 1.to declare or tell in advance; prophesy; foretell: to predict the weather; to predict the fall of a civilization.
2.to foretell the future; make a prediction.
Muhammad was not in the business of prophecy. That the prophets came to prophesy, is absurd.

They simply conveyed the messages of God to man.

"Son of man, if you do this then this will happen......." used to be an advice. I do not see anyone's so-called prophecies coming true in the Bible.

Nostradamus would have been the greatest prophet, if we count prophesies. Folks operating Nostradamus Department keep churning out prophesies under his name.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158925 Jan 17, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>No, fool, it is mockery.
How come you could not understand when I mocked and made fun of you first, Slave?

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158926 Jan 17, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
SamBee--Genesis 19:35--And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
Frijoles--I dont buy he was unaware. How could he be? The guy ejac-ulated (pardon my language). I think of it more like willful ignorance.
HughBe--- What the material are you saying, Frijoles? Are you saying that the Tanach is WRONG? Are you really saying that Moses was wrong and that your rabbis are RIGHT?
Was Moses inspired in writing the account or was it dictated to by your rabbis?
Are you still off your medication?
Please answer the dodged questions below.
1. Do your rabbis support homosexuality?
2. Do your rabbis think that homosexuality is wrong?
3. Do your rabbis teach that Lesbian sex is not condemned in scriptures?
I really do not believe that Moses wrote all that account about Lot personally. To me, it appears to be a story inserted by some Lot-hating scribe.

Anyway, my two frank cents:

All religions of the world condemn homosexuality.

There is one thing very interesting though and that is we do not find lesbians mentioned in the Scripture, which shows that women in the ancient days were straight.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#158928 Jan 17, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for the info.
Even the other gospels also show that Peter was a fool. However, Peter was not the only one. Thomas and Philip were also fools.
We don't know much about all others. Neither does the Church nor Christianity. However, I am sure that the rest of the bunch were also fools.
To me, it appears that the biblical Jesus picked men, who were in their late teens and early twenties. I do not think there was any mature person among the twelve.
Salaams, MUQ
We do not criticize prophets of God. If Jesus selected them as his chosen disciples, there must be something in them.

So why should we assume something bad about them unless there is something in record.

I think there was some "some intentional downgrading" by the Gospel writers (after so many years of Jesus leaving the world) so that the status of that Super Apostle be raised!!

This is my hunch and Allah knows the Best.

Salaam

MUQ

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#158929 Jan 18, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
There is one thing very interesting though and that is we do not find lesbians mentioned in the Scripture, which shows that women in the ancient days were straight.
"In Iran we don't have homosexuals like in your country," Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said at Columbia University last night in response to a question about the recent execution of two gay men there.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#158930 Jan 18, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Please answer the dodged questions below.
1. Do your rabbis support homosexuality?
2. Do your rabbis think that homosexuality is wrong?
3. Do your rabbis teach that Lesbian sex is not condemned in scriptures?
My Jewish Perspective On Homosexuality
By Rabbi Shmuley Boteach

http://www.shmuley.com/news/details/my_jewish...

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158931 Jan 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
"In Iran we don't have homosexuals like in your country," Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said at Columbia University last night in response to a question about the recent execution of two gay men there.
I am sure there are gays in Iran and other Muslim countries. They may be like a little salt in a truck load of flour.

Also, no gay declares his/her 'gayness' in the society.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158932 Jan 18, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
We do not criticize prophets of God. If Jesus selected them as his chosen disciples, there must be something in them.
So why should we assume something bad about them unless there is something in record.
I think there was some "some intentional downgrading" by the Gospel writers (after so many years of Jesus leaving the world) so that the status of that Super Apostle be raised!!
This is my hunch and Allah knows the Best.
Salaam
MUQ
That is the impression that the gospels give.

Salaam
BMZ
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158933 Jan 18, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I really do not believe that Moses wrote all that account about Lot personally. To me, it appears to be a story inserted by some Lot-hating scribe.
Anyway, my two frank cents:
All religions of the world condemn homosexuality.
There is one thing very interesting though and that is we do not find lesbians mentioned in the Scripture, which shows that women in the ancient days were straight.
BMZ---All religions of the world condemn homosexuality.

HughBe--- Are you sure? It is my understanding that it is commonly accepted in Judaism. Look/listen to Frijoles and Eric.

Also, lesbianism is female homosexuality and it is my understanding that Judaism supports it.

BMZ---There is one thing very interesting though and that is we do not find lesbians mentioned in the Scripture, which shows that women in the ancient days were straight.

HughBe--- I disagree and in a context where men turn to men it would be strange for women not to turn to women.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158934 Jan 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
My Jewish Perspective On Homosexuality
By Rabbi Shmuley Boteach
http://www.shmuley.com/news/details/my_jewish...
Frijoles---My Jewish Perspective On Homosexuality
By Rabbi Shmuley Boteach

HughBe--- Are you saying that Boteach speaks for ALL of Judaism?

In any event you should STOP avoiding my post below and answer it NOW. Don't give me links to read just answer the simple questions, Dr. Frijoles. Answer by saying YES or NO.

Are you saying that the Tanach is WRONG? Are you really saying that Moses was wrong and that your rabbis are RIGHT?

Was Moses inspired in writing the account or was it dictated to by your rabbis?

Are you still off your medication?

Please answer the dodged questions below.
1. Do your rabbis support homosexuality?
2. Do your rabbis think that homosexuality is wrong?
3. Do your rabbis teach that Lesbian sex is not condemned in scriptures?

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158935 Jan 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
My Jewish Perspective On Homosexuality
By Rabbi Shmuley Boteach
http://www.shmuley.com/news/details/my_jewish...
From the American Rabbi:

"I am in favor of gay civil unions rather than marriage because I am against redefining marriage."

I find that very craftily written. That is his own view. I don't think Rabbis in Israel will agree with him.

Instead of a civil marriage, he is using the term 'gay civil unions'. I think he is trying to appease the Western audience, Frijoles.

HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158936 Jan 18, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I really do not believe that Moses wrote all that account about Lot personally. To me, it appears to be a story inserted by some Lot-hating scribe.
Anyway, my two frank cents:
All religions of the world condemn homosexuality.
There is one thing very interesting though and that is we do not find lesbians mentioned in the Scripture, which shows that women in the ancient days were straight.
BMZ---To me, it appears to be a story inserted by some Lot-hating scribe.

HughBe--- What else have the scribes INSERTED into the scriptures out of hate?

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158937 Jan 18, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
BMZ---All religions of the world condemn homosexuality.
HughBe--- Are you sure? It is my understanding that it is commonly accepted in Judaism.

Look/listen to Frijoles and Eric.

Also, lesbianism is female homosexuality and it is my understanding that Judaism supports it.

BMZ---There is one thing very interesting though and that is we do not find lesbians mentioned in the Scripture, which shows that women in the ancient days were straight.
HughBe--- I disagree and in a context where men turn to men it would be strange for women not to turn to women.
Yes, I am sure, HughBe. Actually, I was sitting on the fence but was looking the other way.

Neither the religions nor the various cultures support it.

Judaism definitely does not support homosexuality. Neither does Christianity nor does Islam.

It is a different matter that in the modern times, people are now prepared to let the homosexuals live their way.

I think the societies are now more tolerant.

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