Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 Full story: The Brussels Journal 214,806

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#158928 Jan 17, 2013
bmz wrote:
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Thanks for the info.
Even the other gospels also show that Peter was a fool. However, Peter was not the only one. Thomas and Philip were also fools.
We don't know much about all others. Neither does the Church nor Christianity. However, I am sure that the rest of the bunch were also fools.
To me, it appears that the biblical Jesus picked men, who were in their late teens and early twenties. I do not think there was any mature person among the twelve.
Salaams, MUQ
We do not criticize prophets of God. If Jesus selected them as his chosen disciples, there must be something in them.

So why should we assume something bad about them unless there is something in record.

I think there was some "some intentional downgrading" by the Gospel writers (after so many years of Jesus leaving the world) so that the status of that Super Apostle be raised!!

This is my hunch and Allah knows the Best.

Salaam

MUQ

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#158929 Jan 18, 2013
bmz wrote:
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There is one thing very interesting though and that is we do not find lesbians mentioned in the Scripture, which shows that women in the ancient days were straight.
"In Iran we don't have homosexuals like in your country," Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said at Columbia University last night in response to a question about the recent execution of two gay men there.

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#158930 Jan 18, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Please answer the dodged questions below.
1. Do your rabbis support homosexuality?
2. Do your rabbis think that homosexuality is wrong?
3. Do your rabbis teach that Lesbian sex is not condemned in scriptures?
My Jewish Perspective On Homosexuality
By Rabbi Shmuley Boteach

http://www.shmuley.com/news/details/my_jewish...

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158931 Jan 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
"In Iran we don't have homosexuals like in your country," Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said at Columbia University last night in response to a question about the recent execution of two gay men there.
I am sure there are gays in Iran and other Muslim countries. They may be like a little salt in a truck load of flour.

Also, no gay declares his/her 'gayness' in the society.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158932 Jan 18, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
We do not criticize prophets of God. If Jesus selected them as his chosen disciples, there must be something in them.
So why should we assume something bad about them unless there is something in record.
I think there was some "some intentional downgrading" by the Gospel writers (after so many years of Jesus leaving the world) so that the status of that Super Apostle be raised!!
This is my hunch and Allah knows the Best.
Salaam
MUQ
That is the impression that the gospels give.

Salaam
BMZ
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158933 Jan 18, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I really do not believe that Moses wrote all that account about Lot personally. To me, it appears to be a story inserted by some Lot-hating scribe.
Anyway, my two frank cents:
All religions of the world condemn homosexuality.
There is one thing very interesting though and that is we do not find lesbians mentioned in the Scripture, which shows that women in the ancient days were straight.
BMZ---All religions of the world condemn homosexuality.

HughBe--- Are you sure? It is my understanding that it is commonly accepted in Judaism. Look/listen to Frijoles and Eric.

Also, lesbianism is female homosexuality and it is my understanding that Judaism supports it.

BMZ---There is one thing very interesting though and that is we do not find lesbians mentioned in the Scripture, which shows that women in the ancient days were straight.

HughBe--- I disagree and in a context where men turn to men it would be strange for women not to turn to women.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158934 Jan 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
My Jewish Perspective On Homosexuality
By Rabbi Shmuley Boteach
http://www.shmuley.com/news/details/my_jewish...
Frijoles---My Jewish Perspective On Homosexuality
By Rabbi Shmuley Boteach

HughBe--- Are you saying that Boteach speaks for ALL of Judaism?

In any event you should STOP avoiding my post below and answer it NOW. Don't give me links to read just answer the simple questions, Dr. Frijoles. Answer by saying YES or NO.

Are you saying that the Tanach is WRONG? Are you really saying that Moses was wrong and that your rabbis are RIGHT?

Was Moses inspired in writing the account or was it dictated to by your rabbis?

Are you still off your medication?

Please answer the dodged questions below.
1. Do your rabbis support homosexuality?
2. Do your rabbis think that homosexuality is wrong?
3. Do your rabbis teach that Lesbian sex is not condemned in scriptures?

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158935 Jan 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
My Jewish Perspective On Homosexuality
By Rabbi Shmuley Boteach
http://www.shmuley.com/news/details/my_jewish...
From the American Rabbi:

"I am in favor of gay civil unions rather than marriage because I am against redefining marriage."

I find that very craftily written. That is his own view. I don't think Rabbis in Israel will agree with him.

Instead of a civil marriage, he is using the term 'gay civil unions'. I think he is trying to appease the Western audience, Frijoles.

HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158936 Jan 18, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I really do not believe that Moses wrote all that account about Lot personally. To me, it appears to be a story inserted by some Lot-hating scribe.
Anyway, my two frank cents:
All religions of the world condemn homosexuality.
There is one thing very interesting though and that is we do not find lesbians mentioned in the Scripture, which shows that women in the ancient days were straight.
BMZ---To me, it appears to be a story inserted by some Lot-hating scribe.

HughBe--- What else have the scribes INSERTED into the scriptures out of hate?

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158937 Jan 18, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
BMZ---All religions of the world condemn homosexuality.
HughBe--- Are you sure? It is my understanding that it is commonly accepted in Judaism.

Look/listen to Frijoles and Eric.

Also, lesbianism is female homosexuality and it is my understanding that Judaism supports it.

BMZ---There is one thing very interesting though and that is we do not find lesbians mentioned in the Scripture, which shows that women in the ancient days were straight.
HughBe--- I disagree and in a context where men turn to men it would be strange for women not to turn to women.
Yes, I am sure, HughBe. Actually, I was sitting on the fence but was looking the other way.

Neither the religions nor the various cultures support it.

Judaism definitely does not support homosexuality. Neither does Christianity nor does Islam.

It is a different matter that in the modern times, people are now prepared to let the homosexuals live their way.

I think the societies are now more tolerant.
uhuh

Jumilla, Spain

#158938 Jan 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
"if only they were to coax the guests into consensual sodomy, there wouldn't be any brimstones and fire"
Actually there is an element of truth to that.
finally it comes out; "Frijole's religion",
male-male sodomy by force, is forbidden
male-male sodomy between mutually consenting loving steamy men, why not? lol

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158939 Jan 18, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
BMZ---To me, it appears to be a story inserted by some Lot-hating scribe.
HughBe--- What else have the scribes INSERTED into the scriptures out of hate?
Esau and Ishmael. Hagar too.

My main point is that those stories were not written by Moses and were definitely not the part of the actual Torah.

We must keep in mind that the Torah was mostly kept oral.
uhuh

Jumilla, Spain

#158940 Jan 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
The ketubah, Jewish marriage contract, stipulates that a husband must provide for his wife’s basic needs. But Jewish law also allows a woman to cancel that obligation.“If she said,‘I do not wish either to be maintained by you or to work for you,’ she is entitled to do so”(Ketubot 58b). The ketubah typically releases the husband of the obligation to sustain his wife, and allows her to keep her income.
http://www.jdate.com/jmag/2011/04/women-who-w...
when the wife is quite well off, she can opt not to receive maintenance from her husband, only then can she keep her income to herself,
"Like a master has the right to tell his Hebrew slave: I will maintain you, but you must work for me" (Ketubot 58b)

IOW, if the wife wants to keep her income, she must forfeit her right to receive maintenance
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158941 Jan 18, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, I am sure, HughBe. Actually, I was sitting on the fence but was looking the other way.
Neither the religions nor the various cultures support it.
Judaism definitely does not support homosexuality. Neither does Christianity nor does Islam.
It is a different matter that in the modern times, people are now prepared to let the homosexuals live their way.
I think the societies are now more tolerant.
A few questions, BMZ.

Does Judaism supports lesbianism?

Does Judaism condemn it as a sin?

What about this HOSPITALITY argument that is taught by the rabbis?

Why have they ignored the plain fact that HOMOSEXUALITY sex is the issue?
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#158942 Jan 18, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
We do not criticize prophets of God. If Jesus selected them as his chosen disciples, there must be something in them.
So why should we assume something bad about them unless there is something in record.
I think there was some "some intentional downgrading" by the Gospel writers (after so many years of Jesus leaving the world) so that the status of that Super Apostle be raised!!
This is my hunch and Allah knows the Best.
Salaam
MUQ
Braindead Muslim Zealot, or bmz for short, criticizes "BIBLICAL JESUS" for his poor choices of disciples. That is, bmz's "BJ" was an "ignorant fool" who chose "ignorant fools" as disciples, and consequently failed completely in his "mission," which was to muster troops and overthrow Roman rule and in that way convince the Jews that he truly was the "Messiah."

Yes, bmz's "BJ" "brought nothing new," even though he did perform an assorted number of miracles, as the Qur'an attests, but getting himself caught and then crucified (or not) didn't help matters, because either way, "BJ" fled the scene and abandoned his own "ignorant fool" disciples as well as his "ignorant fool" of a mother to their own miserable devices, which included establishing the Church based on a major lie: that "BJ" had in fact died on the cross and had risen from the dead.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158943 Jan 18, 2013
uhuh wrote:
<quoted text>
finally it comes out; "Frijole's religion",
male-male sodomy by force, is forbidden
male-male sodomy between mutually consenting loving steamy men, why not? lol
Beautifully said. Let them prove intention to force. Let them prove that it was not the intention of the men to sweet-talk the angels to drop their pants.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158944 Jan 18, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Esau and Ishmael. Hagar too.
My main point is that those stories were not written by Moses and were definitely not the part of the actual Torah.
We must keep in mind that the Torah was mostly kept oral.
BMZ---To me, it appears to be a story inserted by some Lot-hating scribe.

HughBe--- What else have the scribes INSERTED into the scriptures out of hate?

BMZ---Esau and Ishmael. Hagar too.

My main point is that those stories were not written by Moses and were definitely not the part of the actual Torah.

HughBe--- There could be more INSERTS by the scribes.

BMZ---We must keep in mind that the Torah was mostly kept oral.

HughBe--- Oral as in this "There was NOT a word of ALL that Moses commanded, which Joshua READ not before all the congregation of Israel" Joshua 8:35

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#158945 Jan 18, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I am sure there are gays in Iran and other Muslim countries. They may be like a little salt in a truck load of flour.
Also, no gay declares his/her 'gayness' in the society.
and I am sure there were lesbians in the days of the bible

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#158946 Jan 18, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Frijoles---My Jewish Perspective On Homosexuality
By Rabbi Shmuley Boteach
HughBe--- Are you saying that Boteach speaks for ALL of Judaism?
In any event you should STOP avoiding my post below and answer it NOW. Don't give me links to read just answer the simple questions, Dr. Frijoles. Answer by saying YES or NO.
Are you saying that the Tanach is WRONG? Are you really saying that Moses was wrong and that your rabbis are RIGHT?
Was Moses inspired in writing the account or was it dictated to by your rabbis?
Are you still off your medication?
Please answer the dodged questions below.
1. Do your rabbis support homosexuality?
2. Do your rabbis think that homosexuality is wrong?
3. Do your rabbis teach that Lesbian sex is not condemned in scriptures?
I answered the question

I am not responsible if you did not like my answer
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158947 Jan 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I answered the question
I am not responsible if you did not like my answer
Frijoles---I answered the question

HughBe--- surely you answered the question but NOT the questions that I have asked. Answer them YES or NO, please sweetie.

HughBe--- Are you saying that Boteach speaks for ALL of Judaism?

Are you saying that the Tanach is WRONG?

Are you really saying that Moses was wrong and that your rabbis are RIGHT?

Was Moses inspired in writing the account or was it dictated to by your rabbis?

1. Do your rabbis support homosexuality?
2. Do your rabbis think that homosexuality is wrong?
3. Do your rabbis teach that Lesbian sex is not condemned in scriptures?

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