Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 224867 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Brussels Journal.

uhuh

Spain

#158906 Jan 17, 2013
Buford wrote:
How about we dwell on what actually necessitated YHWH incinerating Sodom and Gomorrah?
Frijoles wrote:
How about rape, incest, promotion of violence, lack of respect for property and personal boundaries?
How many times do I need to RESTATE this observation to everyone here before it is acknowledged?
Frijoles wants everyone to acknowledge that in the Genesis account, the people of Sodom sinned because of their cruelty/inhospitality toward guests, i.e. they wanted to manhandle/rape them

if only they were to coax the guests into consensual sodomy, well then there wouldn't be any brimstones and fire

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#158907 Jan 17, 2013
uhuh wrote:
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if only they were to coax the guests into consensual sodomy, well then there wouldn't be any brimstones and fire
Actually there is an element of truth to that.

A few passages down in the text, Lot engages in incest. Does a lightening bolt come down from the heavens in response?

The interesting thing about Torah is that the main characters are not sugar coated. They dont walk on water. They reflect human nature, the good, the bad, and the ugly.
uhuh

Spain

#158908 Jan 17, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
Man MUST TOTALLY PROVIDE for the woman. Even if she chooses to work, what a woman earns remains with her.
Be a man and don’t rely on woman’s money. Islam allows women to work and also forbids men from taking the woman’s money! Whether woman works or not it is the duty of man to provide for all the comforts of his wife!!
it is interesting that in fiqh, the husband has no right to his wife's income
whereas in halacha, the husband is entitled to any income his wife earns; in fact the Mishnah (Ketubot 59b) ruled that a woman is obligated to provide income for her husband

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#158909 Jan 17, 2013
uhuh wrote:
<quoted text>
it is interesting that in fiqh, the husband has no right to his wife's income
whereas in halacha, the husband is entitled to any income his wife earns; in fact the Mishnah (Ketubot 59b) ruled that a woman is obligated to provide income for her husband
The question of working women was, in fact, not a question in the days of the Talmud. Marriage then was an economic arrangement, and it was assumed that a woman would work along with her husband, whether farming crops or shearing sheep. Without question, running a home in the days of the Talmud was a much more labor intensive task than it is in our age of microwaves and washing machines. The Mishnah actually lists some of the Jewish woman’s basic obligations for maintaining a home: grinding corn, baking bread, washing clothes, cooking, making the beds and working in wool (Ketubot 59b). A woman, however, could live a more leisurely life if, according to the Mishnah, she brought bondswomen with her into the marriage:“If she brought him one bondswoman she need not do any grinding or baking or washing.[if she brought] two bondswomen, she need not even cook…If four, she may lounge in an easy chair”(Ketubot 59b).

The Ketubah, Jewish marriage contract, stipulates that a husband must provide for his wife’s basic needs. But, Jewish law also allows a woman to be mochel (literally forgive or cancel) that obligation.“If, therefore, she said,‘I do not wish either to be maintained by you or to work for you,’ she is entitled to do so”(Ketubot 58b).

http://www.jdate.com/jmag/2011/04/women-who-w...

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#158910 Jan 17, 2013
uhuh wrote:
<quoted text>
it is interesting that in fiqh, the husband has no right to his wife's income
whereas in halacha, the husband is entitled to any income his wife earns; in fact the Mishnah (Ketubot 59b) ruled that a woman is obligated to provide income for her husband
The ketubot (marriage contract)typically releases the husband of the obligation to sustain his wife, and allows her to keep her income.
SamBee

Orlando, FL

#158912 Jan 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Actually there is an element of truth to that.
A few passages down in the text, Lot engages in incest. Does a lightening bolt come down from the heavens in response?
The interesting thing about Torah is that the main characters are not sugar coated. They dont walk on water. They reflect human nature, the good, the bad, and the ugly.
The Text states Lot was unaware. Lot's daughter's tricked him into getting drunk so they could have offspring because the daughters thought that no man was left alive in all the earth.

Genesis 19

29 And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when he overthrew the cities in the which Lot dwelt.

30 And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.

31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:

32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

33 And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

35 And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

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#158913 Jan 17, 2013
SamBee wrote:
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The Text states Lot was unaware. Lot's daughter's tricked him into getting drunk so they could have offspring because the daughters thought that no man was left alive in all the earth.
Genesis 19
29 And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when he overthrew the cities in the which Lot dwelt.
30 And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.
31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:
32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
33 And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
35 And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.
I dont buy he was unaware. How could he be? The guy ejac-ulated (pardon my language). I think of it more like willful ignorance.

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#158914 Jan 17, 2013
More likely his penalty for this and other transgressions was banishment to a cave for the rest of his life. Doesnt sound fun to me.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#158915 Jan 17, 2013
bmz wrote:
Then for what good reasons did the Church choose four ridiculous gospels, which are also full of absurdities?
Of special note, the most ridiculous verses of Matthew, telling us of Gentiles following a star, Herod ordering to kill kids and Jesus asking people who did they think he was, as if he did not know who he was.
Yes, you are as clueless and uncomprehending as ever.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#158916 Jan 17, 2013
bmz wrote:
Thus acknowledges the slave.
No, fool, it is mockery.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#158917 Jan 17, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
No wonder Islam has come to sort these poor people!
Al-EX the Phallocentric,

http://www.religionfacts.com/homosexuality/is...

Homosexuality in the Sharia

While there is a consensus that same-sex intercourse is in violation of Islamic law, there are differences of opinion within Islamic scholarship about punishment, reformation, and what standards of proof are required before physical punishment becomes lawful.

In Sunni Islam there are eight madhhabs, or legal schools, of which only four still exist: Hanafi, Shafi'i, Hanbali, Maliki. The main Shia school is called Ja'fari, but there are Zaidi and Ismai'ili also. More recently, some groups have rejected this tradition in favor of greater ijtihad, or individual interpretation. Of these schools, according to Michael Mumisa of the Birmingham-based Al Mahdi institute:

•The Hanafi school does not consider same-sex intercourse to constitute adultery, and therefore leaves punishment up to the judge's discretion. Most early scholars of this school specifically ruled out the death penalty, others allow it for a second offence.

•Imam Shafi'i considers same-sex intercourse as analogous to other zina; thus, a married person found to have done so is punished as an adulterer (by stoning to death), and an unmarried one, as a fornicator, is left to be flogged.

•The Maliki school says that anyone (married or unmarried) found to have committed same-sex intercourse should be punished as an adulterer.

•Within the Ja'fari schools, Sayyid al-Khoi says that anyone (married or unmarried) found to have committed same-sex intercourse should be punished as an adulterer.
__________
Have you witnessed or participated in a stoning lately?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158918 Jan 17, 2013
uhuh wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Frijoles wants everyone to acknowledge that in the Genesis account, the people of Sodom sinned because of their cruelty/inhospitality toward guests, i.e. they wanted to manhandle/rape them
if only they were to coax the guests into consensual sodomy, well then there wouldn't be any brimstones and fire
uhuh--if only they were to coax the guests into consensual sodomy, well then there wouldn't be any brimstones and fire

HughBe-- I like that
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158919 Jan 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I dont buy he was unaware. How could he be? The guy ejac-ulated (pardon my language). I think of it more like willful ignorance.
SamBee--Genesis 19:35--And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

Frijoles--I dont buy he was unaware. How could he be? The guy ejac-ulated (pardon my language). I think of it more like willful ignorance.

HughBe--- What the material are you saying, Frijoles? Are you saying that the Tanach is WRONG? Are you really saying that Moses was wrong and that your rabbis are RIGHT?

Was Moses inspired in writing the account or was it dictated to by your rabbis?

Are you still off your medication?

Please answer the dodged questions below.
1. Do your rabbis support homosexuality?
2. Do your rabbis think that homosexuality is wrong?
3. Do your rabbis teach that Lesbian sex is not condemned in scriptures?
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158920 Jan 17, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Al-EX the Phallocentric,
http://www.religionfacts.com/homosexuality/is...
Homosexuality in the Sharia
While there is a consensus that same-sex intercourse is in violation of Islamic law, there are differences of opinion within Islamic scholarship about punishment, reformation, and what standards of proof are required before physical punishment becomes lawful.
In Sunni Islam there are eight madhhabs, or legal schools, of which only four still exist: Hanafi, Shafi'i, Hanbali, Maliki. The main Shia school is called Ja'fari, but there are Zaidi and Ismai'ili also. More recently, some groups have rejected this tradition in favor of greater ijtihad, or individual interpretation. Of these schools, according to Michael Mumisa of the Birmingham-based Al Mahdi institute:
•The Hanafi school does not consider same-sex intercourse to constitute adultery, and therefore leaves punishment up to the judge's discretion. Most early scholars of this school specifically ruled out the death penalty, others allow it for a second offence.
•Imam Shafi'i considers same-sex intercourse as analogous to other zina; thus, a married person found to have done so is punished as an adulterer (by stoning to death), and an unmarried one, as a fornicator, is left to be flogged.
•The Maliki school says that anyone (married or unmarried) found to have committed same-sex intercourse should be punished as an adulterer.
•Within the Ja'fari schools, Sayyid al-Khoi says that anyone (married or unmarried) found to have committed same-sex intercourse should be punished as an adulterer.
__________
So, under we school of thought, should we try you?
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158921 Jan 17, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Al-EX the Phallocentric,
http://www.religionfacts.com/homosexuality/is...
Homosexuality in the Sharia
While there is a consensus that same-sex intercourse is in violation of Islamic law, there are differences of opinion within Islamic scholarship about punishment, reformation, and what standards of proof are required before physical punishment becomes lawful.
In Sunni Islam there are eight madhhabs, or legal schools, of which only four still exist: Hanafi, Shafi'i, Hanbali, Maliki. The main Shia school is called Ja'fari, but there are Zaidi and Ismai'ili also. More recently, some groups have rejected this tradition in favor of greater ijtihad, or individual interpretation. Of these schools, according to Michael Mumisa of the Birmingham-based Al Mahdi institute:
•The Hanafi school does not consider same-sex intercourse to constitute adultery, and therefore leaves punishment up to the judge's discretion. Most early scholars of this school specifically ruled out the death penalty, others allow it for a second offence.
•Imam Shafi'i considers same-sex intercourse as analogous to other zina; thus, a married person found to have done so is punished as an adulterer (by stoning to death), and an unmarried one, as a fornicator, is left to be flogged.
•The Maliki school says that anyone (married or unmarried) found to have committed same-sex intercourse should be punished as an adulterer.
•Within the Ja'fari schools, Sayyid al-Khoi says that anyone (married or unmarried) found to have committed same-sex intercourse should be punished as an adulterer.
Correction, Buford

Should read:

So, under which school of thought, should we try you. Thanks
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#158923 Jan 17, 2013
SANE MESSAGE:

Dr Roger Penrose, the world renowned mathematician from the University of Oxford, has said in a profound message:

“The issue of ‘responsibility’ raises deep philosophical questions concerning the ultimate cause of our behavior...Is the subject of ‘responsibility’ merely one of convenience of terminology, or is there actually something else – a conscient ‘self’ lying beyond all such influences – which exerts a control over our actions? The legal issue of ‘responsibility’ seems to imply that there is indeed, within each of us, some kind of an independent ‘self’ with its own responsibilities – and, by implications, rights – whose actions are not attributable to (genetic) inheritance, environment or chance. If it is other than a mere convenience of language that we speak as though there were such an independent ‘self’, then there must be an ingredient missing from our present-day physical understandings. The discovery of such an ingredient would surely profoundly alter our scientific outlook.”

COMMENT: Obviously, consciousness and its finer aspects like supramental processes, mind, emotions, will, thoughts, feelings and life are beyond the ken of the crude inferential methods/analyzes of physical sciences and mathematics.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158924 Jan 17, 2013
SamBee wrote:
<quoted text>
What prophecy did your prophet Mohammad predict that has come to pass?
Predict: 1.to declare or tell in advance; prophesy; foretell: to predict the weather; to predict the fall of a civilization.
2.to foretell the future; make a prediction.
Muhammad was not in the business of prophecy. That the prophets came to prophesy, is absurd.

They simply conveyed the messages of God to man.

"Son of man, if you do this then this will happen......." used to be an advice. I do not see anyone's so-called prophecies coming true in the Bible.

Nostradamus would have been the greatest prophet, if we count prophesies. Folks operating Nostradamus Department keep churning out prophesies under his name.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158925 Jan 17, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>No, fool, it is mockery.
How come you could not understand when I mocked and made fun of you first, Slave?
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158926 Jan 17, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
SamBee--Genesis 19:35--And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
Frijoles--I dont buy he was unaware. How could he be? The guy ejac-ulated (pardon my language). I think of it more like willful ignorance.
HughBe--- What the material are you saying, Frijoles? Are you saying that the Tanach is WRONG? Are you really saying that Moses was wrong and that your rabbis are RIGHT?
Was Moses inspired in writing the account or was it dictated to by your rabbis?
Are you still off your medication?
Please answer the dodged questions below.
1. Do your rabbis support homosexuality?
2. Do your rabbis think that homosexuality is wrong?
3. Do your rabbis teach that Lesbian sex is not condemned in scriptures?
I really do not believe that Moses wrote all that account about Lot personally. To me, it appears to be a story inserted by some Lot-hating scribe.

Anyway, my two frank cents:

All religions of the world condemn homosexuality.

There is one thing very interesting though and that is we do not find lesbians mentioned in the Scripture, which shows that women in the ancient days were straight.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#158928 Jan 17, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for the info.
Even the other gospels also show that Peter was a fool. However, Peter was not the only one. Thomas and Philip were also fools.
We don't know much about all others. Neither does the Church nor Christianity. However, I am sure that the rest of the bunch were also fools.
To me, it appears that the biblical Jesus picked men, who were in their late teens and early twenties. I do not think there was any mature person among the twelve.
Salaams, MUQ
We do not criticize prophets of God. If Jesus selected them as his chosen disciples, there must be something in them.

So why should we assume something bad about them unless there is something in record.

I think there was some "some intentional downgrading" by the Gospel writers (after so many years of Jesus leaving the world) so that the status of that Super Apostle be raised!!

This is my hunch and Allah knows the Best.

Salaam

MUQ

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