Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Brussels Journal

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Excerpts from the Gospel of Barnabas, Part-33

Chapter 69 Jesus heals the demonic

…And when Jesus had said this, there was brought to him a demoniac who could not speak nor see, and was deprived of hearing. Whereupon Jesus, seeing their faith, raised his eyes to heaven and said: "Lord God of our fathers, have mercy on this sick man and give him health, in order that this people may know that you have sent me."

And having said this Jesus commanded the spirit to depart, saying: "In the power of the name of God our Lord, depart, evil one, from the man. The spirit departed and the dumb man spoke, and saw with his eyes. Whereupon every one was filled with fear, but the scribes said: "In the power of Beelzebub, prince of the demons, he casts out the demons."

Then Jesus said: "Every kingdom divided against itself destroys itself, and house falls upon house. If in the power of Satan, Satan be cast out, how shall his kingdom stand? And if your sons cast out Satan with the scripture that Solomon the prophet gave them, they testify that I cast out Satan in the power of God. As God lives, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is without remission in this and in the other world; because the wicked man of his own will reprobates himself, knowing the reprobation." …

(This is also recorded in Gospels-MUQ)

Chapter 70 : Reprimanding Peter

Jesus departed from Jerusalem after the Passover, and entered into the borders of Caesarea Philippi. Whereupon, the angel Gabriel having told him of the sedition which was beginning among the common people, he asked his disciples, saying: "What do men say of me?" They said: "Some say that you are Elijah, others Jeremiah, and others one of the old prophets." Jesus answered: "And you; what say you that I am?" Peter answered: "You are Christ, son of God."

Then was Jesus angry, and with anger rebuked him, saying: "Begone and depart from me, because you are the devil and seek to cause me offences And he threatened the eleven, saying: "Woe to you if you believe this, for I have won from God a great curse against those who believe this." And he was fain to cast away Peter; whereupon the eleven besought Jesus for him, who cast him not away, but again rebuked him saying: "Beware that never again you say such words, because God would reprobate you!" Peter wept and said: "Lord, I have spoken foolishly; beseech God that he pardon me."

Note: See the contrast of Jesus’ reply here and in other Gospels

Which seems "More Probable" coming from a Great Prophet of God ?- MUQ)

(Abridged)
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Tabari VI:70 "He went to Khadija and said,'I think that I have gone mad.'"
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MUQ wrote:
Excerpts from the Gospel of Barnabas, Part-33
Chapter 69 Jesus heals the demonic
…And when Jesus had said this, there was brought to him a demoniac who could not speak nor see, and was deprived of hearing. Whereupon Jesus, seeing their faith, raised his eyes to heaven and said: "Lord God of our fathers, have mercy on this sick man and give him health, in order that this people may know that you have sent me."
And having said this Jesus commanded the spirit to depart, saying: "In the power of the name of God our Lord, depart, evil one, from the man. The spirit departed and the dumb man spoke, and saw with his eyes. Whereupon every one was filled with fear, but the scribes said: "In the power of Beelzebub, prince of the demons, he casts out the demons."
Then Jesus said: "Every kingdom divided against itself destroys itself, and house falls upon house. If in the power of Satan, Satan be cast out, how shall his kingdom stand? And if your sons cast out Satan with the scripture that Solomon the prophet gave them, they testify that I cast out Satan in the power of God. As God lives, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is without remission in this and in the other world; because the wicked man of his own will reprobates himself, knowing the reprobation." …
(This is also recorded in Gospels-MUQ)
Chapter 70 : Reprimanding Peter
Jesus departed from Jerusalem after the Passover, and entered into the borders of Caesarea Philippi. Whereupon, the angel Gabriel having told him of the sedition which was beginning among the common people, he asked his disciples, saying: "What do men say of me?" They said: "Some say that you are Elijah, others Jeremiah, and others one of the old prophets." Jesus answered: "And you; what say you that I am?" Peter answered: "You are Christ, son of God."
Then was Jesus angry, and with anger rebuked him, saying: "Begone and depart from me, because you are the devil and seek to cause me offences And he threatened the eleven, saying: "Woe to you if you believe this, for I have won from God a great curse against those who believe this." And he was fain to cast away Peter; whereupon the eleven besought Jesus for him, who cast him not away, but again rebuked him saying: "Beware that never again you say such words, because God would reprobate you!" Peter wept and said: "Lord, I have spoken foolishly; beseech God that he pardon me."
Note: See the contrast of Jesus’ reply here and in other Gospels
Which seems "More Probable" coming from a Great Prophet of God ?- MUQ)
(Abridged)
What seems "More Probable" to a Muslim slave like you, who is used to the idea of Mohammad, that "Great Prophet," CURSING anyone who opposed him, is that Jesus was JUST LIKE HIM.

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Meanwhile, in "There is no compulsion in religion" Egypt,
Egyptian court sentences Christian family to 15 years for converting from Islam
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/01/16/egypt... -
These are terrible news, so much for freedomm and democracy in Egypt. To me my religion and to you yours should be completed by 'but if you do not choose mine I can kill you or imprison you'.
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STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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You need a brain's transplant urgently.
I and Mahmood have never said in heaven women will have sex with boys, it was that ignorant fool of Alex. This is why I complimented with you to have called Alex with names.
And the fact you can't figure out simple posts tells a lot of the "well read" brain you possess.
Hey idiot....simpleton...nutcase.. .village idiot...linguistically challenged moron...

The last time you accused me of stupidity...you were forced to make a swift retraction admitting you foolishly cocked it up, right? Even then showed your bias and ignorance by not challenging the person who made the remark!

Look fool...I am a trained Christian and my knowledge of Islam is second to none.
My responses were aimed at taking the "pith"!!!lol...

Now shut up and play with your seeds.
I did NOT say Quran promised such nonsense...
I said people who go to heaven may be given their wish..and who is going to stop women from having sex with virgin boys if they so wish?
Who told you when people go to heaven they are not virgins!!!

Who said the men who have sex with virgins are not virgins?
Hey ignorant fool...do you think they take the same body from here to heaven?lol..
Then they will have rotten willies!!!lol...
They will start fresh and all are likely to be virgin in heaven..as the folks have just entered the place in a different shape/form!

On a serious note...I made an important observation but you were incapable of understanding it!!

You NEED a new brain to learn English again.

Run along little boy.
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These are terrible news, so much for freedomm and democracy in Egypt. To me my religion and to you yours should be completed by 'but if you do not choose mine I can kill you or imprison you'.
yes terrible news...!
why don't you join the mercenaries and kill a few egyptians, a few mali muslims and some libyans too...
you are an ignorant fool.
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When non-gentiles lied about their "audience" with "god"....the HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMED MAINTAINED THAT HE WAS VISITED BY AN ANGEL.
HE COULD HAVE CLAIMED THAT GOD VISITED HIM!!
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When non-gentiles lied about their "audience" with "god"....the HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMED MAINTAINED THAT HE WAS VISITED BY AN ANGEL.
HE COULD HAVE CLAIMED THAT GOD VISITED HIM!!
That terrified fool of a "prophet" of yours needed his wife's cousin Waraqa to tell him that it was Gabriel/Jibreel who tried to crush the life out of him in the cave, since Mohammad's new life-long friend and OWNER didn't introduce ITself by name.

This doesn't mean that it was actually Gabriel/Jibreel that Mohammad conjured up, but that Mohammad's handlers were shrewd enough to embrace this "truth" that has persisted to this day.
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When non-gentiles lied about their "audience" with "god"....the HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMED MAINTAINED THAT HE WAS VISITED BY AN ANGEL.
HE COULD HAVE CLAIMED THAT GOD VISITED HIM!!
What matters most, slave, is that your "prophet" ordered the MURDERS of people who opposed him.

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<quoted text>How about we dwell on what actually necessitated YHWH incinerating Sodom and Gomorrah? My guess is that it wasn't a flagrant and enduring violation of the shellfish prohibition. Umm, is that a capital offense?
No, how about rape, incest, promotion of violence, lack of respect for property and personal boundaries?

ALL of those behaviors were promoted by the Sodomites in that series of passages. WHY do people dwell on homosexuality as an exclusive?

REALLY, Mr Buford, how many times do I need to RESTATE this observation to everyone here before it is acknowledged? You dont have to agree with the interpretation, but at least acknowledge it?

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Now my question to you is this what was their abominations?
Ezekiel 16:49-51
49 Look, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: She and her daughter had pride, fullness of food, and abundance of idleness; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. 50 And they were haughty and committed abomination before Me; therefore I took them away as I saw fit.
51 “Samaria did not commit half of your sins; but you have multiplied your abominations more than they, and have justified your sisters by all the abominations which you have done.
Haughtiness - what an abomination!(pretty much covers 98% of the people here)

That certainly supports much of what I was saying.

However, I was basing my personal definitional argument based on a plain reading of the primary text - no outside citations - no Ezekial, no Leviticus. However, when posting what other Jewish exegesis on the subject, it did include this and other outside citations.

What keeps getting lost is that I was NOT arguing religious morality per se (that topic is obviously well defined thru multiple books of the torah), I was arguing about the USE of sloppy definitions in our western culture.

Whatever the Sodomite's sin was, it is clear to me that homosexuality wasnt the exclusive one. This has implications to what the commonly held definition of a sodomite/sodomizer is, from a biblical purist perspective. All these years people assume it has to do with anal intercourse, all I am saying is that it has to do with a whole lot more, or a whole lot less.

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As an afternote - please note that haughtiness in the Hebrew text has no sexual underpinning

the word in the text in Hebrew is v'tegb'henna. Word root is gbn - which means hill.

Adding on the Prefix (te') the word means "someone who hills you" i.e. someone who elevates themselves over you.

Its a nonsexual verb usage.
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I see you have also mastered the art of three sentence responses for the simple.
lol! I am glad you noticed!

Yes, I learnt that from Buford, Colonna and some others.

It is no use writing and explaining more to posters, who cannot comprehend and offer red herrings and silly replies.

I am trying that out and looks like it works.
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"Father, forgive me, I ate shellfish."
"Did you enjoy it?"
I enjoyed that but never knew that Jesus was into shellfish also and that the Father had made it Haraam or forbidden.
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<quoted text>What matters most, slave, is that your "prophet" ordered the MURDERS of people who opposed him.
That is not true. Stop lying, please!
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MUQ wrote:
Excerpts from the Gospel of Barnabas, Part-33
Chapter 69 Jesus heals the demonic
…And when Jesus had said this, there was brought to him a demoniac who could not speak nor see, and was deprived of hearing. Whereupon Jesus, seeing their faith, raised his eyes to heaven and said: "Lord God of our fathers, have mercy on this sick man and give him health, in order that this people may know that you have sent me."
And having said this Jesus commanded the spirit to depart, saying: "In the power of the name of God our Lord, depart, evil one, from the man. The spirit departed and the dumb man spoke, and saw with his eyes. Whereupon every one was filled with fear, but the scribes said: "In the power of Beelzebub, prince of the demons, he casts out the demons."
Then Jesus said: "Every kingdom divided against itself destroys itself, and house falls upon house. If in the power of Satan, Satan be cast out, how shall his kingdom stand? And if your sons cast out Satan with the scripture that Solomon the prophet gave them, they testify that I cast out Satan in the power of God. As God lives, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is without remission in this and in the other world; because the wicked man of his own will reprobates himself, knowing the reprobation." …
(This is also recorded in Gospels-MUQ)
Chapter 70 : Reprimanding Peter
Jesus departed from Jerusalem after the Passover, and entered into the borders of Caesarea Philippi. Whereupon, the angel Gabriel having told him of the sedition which was beginning among the common people, he asked his disciples, saying: "What do men say of me?" They said: "Some say that you are Elijah, others Jeremiah, and others one of the old prophets." Jesus answered: "And you; what say you that I am?" Peter answered: "You are Christ, son of God."
Then was Jesus angry, and with anger rebuked him, saying: "Begone and depart from me, because you are the devil and seek to cause me offences And he threatened the eleven, saying: "Woe to you if you believe this, for I have won from God a great curse against those who believe this." And he was fain to cast away Peter; whereupon the eleven besought Jesus for him, who cast him not away, but again rebuked him saying: "Beware that never again you say such words, because God would reprobate you!" Peter wept and said: "Lord, I have spoken foolishly; beseech God that he pardon me."
Note: See the contrast of Jesus’ reply here and in other Gospels
Which seems "More Probable" coming from a Great Prophet of God ?- MUQ)
(Abridged)
Thanks for the info.

Even the other gospels also show that Peter was a fool. However, Peter was not the only one. Thomas and Philip were also fools.

We don't know much about all others. Neither does the Church nor Christianity. However, I am sure that the rest of the bunch were also fools.

To me, it appears that the biblical Jesus picked men, who were in their late teens and early twenties. I do not think there was any mature person among the twelve.

Salaams, MUQ

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Tabari VI:70 "He went to Khadija and said,'I think that I have gone mad.'"
If Jesus came to you today out of the blue, you would say exactly the same.
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If Jesus came to you today out of the blue, you would say exactly the same.
Thus saith the LORD!
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<quoted text>What seems "More Probable" to a Muslim slave like you, who is used to the idea of Mohammad, that "Great Prophet," CURSING anyone who opposed him, is that Jesus was JUST LIKE HIM.
Actually, you cannot compare Jesus with Muhammad. The biblical Jesus achieved nothing, his mission flopped, he had no success and he was taken off, I mean recalled.

Muhammad completed the mission ordained.

When I examine the biblical Jesus closely, I do find that he was up to something great but his lousy disciples were not willing to give him full support and told him they had two swords. The man knew his disciples were stingy and he was helpless.

If the disciples and the free food munchers had bought swords as recommended by Jesus, he would have stood up against the Romans to free his people and would have been successful in getting recognized as the Messiah, the Deliverer, the Jews were waiting for.
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I enjoyed that but never knew that Jesus was into shellfish also and that the Father had made it Haraam or forbidden.
http://quran.com/5/3

Prohibited to you are dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah , and [those animals] killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a head-long fall or by the goring of horns, and those from which a wild animal has eaten, except what you [are able to] slaughter [before its death], and those which are sacrificed on stone altars, and [prohibited is] that you seek decision through divining arrows. That is grave disobedience. This day those who disbelieve have despaired of [defeating] your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion. But whoever is forced by severe hunger with no inclination to sin - then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

IOW, if you're starving to death, it is permissible to eat dead pigs and even dead humans.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-and-scrip...

Q. "Can someone please tell me what type of shell fish is haraam and what type is halal, and why this is the case."

A. "Any creature that drinks blood is haraam. Some argue that its makrooh, not haraam. However, the consensus is, that its not advisable to eat any creature that drinks blood.
Blood is consumed by animals of prey. On the land, we have animals like the tiger, lion, etc. In the sky we have eagles, falcons, buzzards etc. These classifications have some further classifications as well. But specifically talking about seafood here, first of all you have to look for creatures of prey.
Very few fish are actually vegetarians. Most fish eat smaller fish. So the division here is made in how they eat them. Most fish eat smaller fish by swallowing them whole. And they are allowed. But fish like the shark, whale, octopus, etc, bite into their prey and make them bleed, and then eat them. That makes their consumption by humans haraam or makrooh, depending on who you are talking to. But nonetheless, its not advisable.

The only shellfish that meet this criterion are shrimps/prawns. Lobsters cut into their prey, hence are termed haram or makrooh by different scholars. I believe squids have the same process of capturing and eating their prey, except they have beaks for biting into their prey instead of teeth, hence they too are haraam/makrooh."

Again, if you're starving to death, it is permissible to eat dead sharks and even dead humans.

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