Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 255965 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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uhuh

Jumilla, Spain

#158938 Jan 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
"if only they were to coax the guests into consensual sodomy, there wouldn't be any brimstones and fire"
Actually there is an element of truth to that.
finally it comes out; "Frijole's religion",
male-male sodomy by force, is forbidden
male-male sodomy between mutually consenting loving steamy men, why not? lol

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#158939 Jan 18, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
BMZ---To me, it appears to be a story inserted by some Lot-hating scribe.
HughBe--- What else have the scribes INSERTED into the scriptures out of hate?
Esau and Ishmael. Hagar too.

My main point is that those stories were not written by Moses and were definitely not the part of the actual Torah.

We must keep in mind that the Torah was mostly kept oral.
uhuh

Jumilla, Spain

#158940 Jan 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
The ketubah, Jewish marriage contract, stipulates that a husband must provide for his wife’s basic needs. But Jewish law also allows a woman to cancel that obligation.“If she said,‘I do not wish either to be maintained by you or to work for you,’ she is entitled to do so”(Ketubot 58b). The ketubah typically releases the husband of the obligation to sustain his wife, and allows her to keep her income.
http://www.jdate.com/jmag/2011/04/women-who-w...
when the wife is quite well off, she can opt not to receive maintenance from her husband, only then can she keep her income to herself,
"Like a master has the right to tell his Hebrew slave: I will maintain you, but you must work for me" (Ketubot 58b)

IOW, if the wife wants to keep her income, she must forfeit her right to receive maintenance
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158941 Jan 18, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, I am sure, HughBe. Actually, I was sitting on the fence but was looking the other way.
Neither the religions nor the various cultures support it.
Judaism definitely does not support homosexuality. Neither does Christianity nor does Islam.
It is a different matter that in the modern times, people are now prepared to let the homosexuals live their way.
I think the societies are now more tolerant.
A few questions, BMZ.

Does Judaism supports lesbianism?

Does Judaism condemn it as a sin?

What about this HOSPITALITY argument that is taught by the rabbis?

Why have they ignored the plain fact that HOMOSEXUALITY sex is the issue?
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#158942 Jan 18, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
We do not criticize prophets of God. If Jesus selected them as his chosen disciples, there must be something in them.
So why should we assume something bad about them unless there is something in record.
I think there was some "some intentional downgrading" by the Gospel writers (after so many years of Jesus leaving the world) so that the status of that Super Apostle be raised!!
This is my hunch and Allah knows the Best.
Salaam
MUQ
Braindead Muslim Zealot, or bmz for short, criticizes "BIBLICAL JESUS" for his poor choices of disciples. That is, bmz's "BJ" was an "ignorant fool" who chose "ignorant fools" as disciples, and consequently failed completely in his "mission," which was to muster troops and overthrow Roman rule and in that way convince the Jews that he truly was the "Messiah."

Yes, bmz's "BJ" "brought nothing new," even though he did perform an assorted number of miracles, as the Qur'an attests, but getting himself caught and then crucified (or not) didn't help matters, because either way, "BJ" fled the scene and abandoned his own "ignorant fool" disciples as well as his "ignorant fool" of a mother to their own miserable devices, which included establishing the Church based on a major lie: that "BJ" had in fact died on the cross and had risen from the dead.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158943 Jan 18, 2013
uhuh wrote:
<quoted text>
finally it comes out; "Frijole's religion",
male-male sodomy by force, is forbidden
male-male sodomy between mutually consenting loving steamy men, why not? lol
Beautifully said. Let them prove intention to force. Let them prove that it was not the intention of the men to sweet-talk the angels to drop their pants.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158944 Jan 18, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Esau and Ishmael. Hagar too.
My main point is that those stories were not written by Moses and were definitely not the part of the actual Torah.
We must keep in mind that the Torah was mostly kept oral.
BMZ---To me, it appears to be a story inserted by some Lot-hating scribe.

HughBe--- What else have the scribes INSERTED into the scriptures out of hate?

BMZ---Esau and Ishmael. Hagar too.

My main point is that those stories were not written by Moses and were definitely not the part of the actual Torah.

HughBe--- There could be more INSERTS by the scribes.

BMZ---We must keep in mind that the Torah was mostly kept oral.

HughBe--- Oral as in this "There was NOT a word of ALL that Moses commanded, which Joshua READ not before all the congregation of Israel" Joshua 8:35

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#158945 Jan 18, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I am sure there are gays in Iran and other Muslim countries. They may be like a little salt in a truck load of flour.
Also, no gay declares his/her 'gayness' in the society.
and I am sure there were lesbians in the days of the bible

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#158946 Jan 18, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Frijoles---My Jewish Perspective On Homosexuality
By Rabbi Shmuley Boteach
HughBe--- Are you saying that Boteach speaks for ALL of Judaism?
In any event you should STOP avoiding my post below and answer it NOW. Don't give me links to read just answer the simple questions, Dr. Frijoles. Answer by saying YES or NO.
Are you saying that the Tanach is WRONG? Are you really saying that Moses was wrong and that your rabbis are RIGHT?
Was Moses inspired in writing the account or was it dictated to by your rabbis?
Are you still off your medication?
Please answer the dodged questions below.
1. Do your rabbis support homosexuality?
2. Do your rabbis think that homosexuality is wrong?
3. Do your rabbis teach that Lesbian sex is not condemned in scriptures?
I answered the question

I am not responsible if you did not like my answer
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158947 Jan 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I answered the question
I am not responsible if you did not like my answer
Frijoles---I answered the question

HughBe--- surely you answered the question but NOT the questions that I have asked. Answer them YES or NO, please sweetie.

HughBe--- Are you saying that Boteach speaks for ALL of Judaism?

Are you saying that the Tanach is WRONG?

Are you really saying that Moses was wrong and that your rabbis are RIGHT?

Was Moses inspired in writing the account or was it dictated to by your rabbis?

1. Do your rabbis support homosexuality?
2. Do your rabbis think that homosexuality is wrong?
3. Do your rabbis teach that Lesbian sex is not condemned in scriptures?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#158948 Jan 18, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
From the American Rabbi:
"I am in favor of gay civil unions rather than marriage because I am against redefining marriage."
I find that very craftily written. That is his own view. I don't think Rabbis in Israel will agree with him.
Instead of a civil marriage, he is using the term 'gay civil unions'. I think he is trying to appease the Western audience, Frijoles.
Its not an Israeli vs American thing.

Its a liberal vs socially conservative chasm, and a generational chasm.

Tel Aviv has a huge gay community so I wouldnt be so sure of your statement. Furthermore, even in the US, marriage equality has the overwhelming support of YOUNG Republicans (i.e. those under 30)- its a generational thing as well.

Before I ever read Boteach I already arrived at his conclusion. I just think he states it well so I share his article. And I am not a Boteach fan - I disagree on most of his other work as well as his activism.(though I understand Kosher Jesus was a good work - never read it)

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#158949 Jan 18, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Beautifully said. Let them prove intention to force. Let them prove that it was not the intention of the men to sweet-talk the angels to drop their pants.
missed the point as usuall

doesnt matter - we dont share thge same religion

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#158950 Jan 18, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Frijoles---I answered the question
HughBe--- surely you answered the question but NOT the questions that I have asked. Answer them YES or NO, please sweetie.
HughBe--- Are you saying that Boteach speaks for ALL of Judaism?
Are you saying that the Tanach is WRONG?
Are you really saying that Moses was wrong and that your rabbis are RIGHT?
Was Moses inspired in writing the account or was it dictated to by your rabbis?
1. Do your rabbis support homosexuality?
2. Do your rabbis think that homosexuality is wrong?
3. Do your rabbis teach that Lesbian sex is not condemned in scriptures?
You are a fundamentalist Christian so it is futiel to discuss interpetation of tanach with you. You dont accept the basic methods of exegesis.

As far as the bottom questions - I answered them.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158951 Jan 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
missed the point as usuall
doesnt matter - we dont share thge same religion
Self-deceiving B....Boy.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158952 Jan 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I answered the question
I am not responsible if you did not like my answer
B....Boy, like is for functional females like you. You LIE, you DODGE, you DECEIVE and you wallow in nastiness and love it.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158953 Jan 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a fundamentalist Christian so it is futiel to discuss interpetation of tanach with you. You dont accept the basic methods of exegesis.
As far as the bottom questions - I answered them.
You are a DECEPTIVE Judahite and you are a replica of your masters.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#158954 Jan 18, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
A few questions, BMZ.
Does Judaism supports lesbianism?
Does Judaism condemn it as a sin?
What about this HOSPITALITY argument that is taught by the rabbis?
Why have they ignored the plain fact that HOMOSEXUALITY sex is the issue?
The answer is very simple, HughBe.

We do not have to look for "It is a sin if you....." kind of statements.

In Leviticus 18, the Good LORD said, "You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the Lord your God. 5 Keep my decrees and laws, for the person who obeys them will live by them. I am the Lord."

Now, if one does not obey God and does not follow the decrees, then one surely sins. Right?

So, the message is clear in Leviticus 18:22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable."

And since no such message was given to women back then, I presumed they were straight.

Modern Rabbis living in the West try to be pc on various issues and I consider that appeasement.

Thus, I am back to square one that no religion permits homosexuality.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158955 Jan 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Its not an Israeli vs American thing.
Its a liberal vs socially conservative chasm, and a generational chasm.
Tel Aviv has a huge gay community so I wouldnt be so sure of your statement. Furthermore, even in the US, marriage equality has the overwhelming support of YOUNG Republicans (i.e. those under 30)- its a generational thing as well.
Before I ever read Boteach I already arrived at his conclusion. I just think he states it well so I share his article. And I am not a Boteach fan - I disagree on most of his other work as well as his activism.(though I understand Kosher Jesus was a good work - never read it)
Rump-Boy, as I take my leave I have repeated my UNANSWERED questions for you.

YES or NO is all that is required.

Several hours from now as I must do something called work.

HughBe--- Are you saying that Boteach speaks for ALL of Judaism?

Are you saying that the Tanach is WRONG?

Are you really saying that Moses was wrong and that your rabbis are RIGHT?

Was Moses inspired in writing the account or was it dictated to by your rabbis?

1. Do your rabbis support homosexuality?
2. Do your rabbis think that homosexuality is wrong?
3. Do your rabbis teach that Lesbian sex is not condemned in scriptures?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#158956 Jan 18, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Frijoles---I answered the question
HughBe--- surely you answered the question but NOT the questions that I have asked. Answer them YES or NO, please sweetie.
HughBe--- Are you saying that Boteach speaks for ALL of Judaism?
Are you saying that the Tanach is WRONG?
Are you really saying that Moses was wrong and that your rabbis are RIGHT?
Was Moses inspired in writing the account or was it dictated to by your rabbis?
1. Do your rabbis support homosexuality?
2. Do your rabbis think that homosexuality is wrong?
3. Do your rabbis teach that Lesbian sex is not condemned in scriptures?
I will leave you with this summation of my view.

There are clearly prohibitions against homosexual behavior in the bible, however they derive from passages other than the narative of Sodom.

All I was doing was calling attention to the fact that latter interpretations, predominately Christian, tried to associate the Sin of Sodom with the other listed prohibitions from other chapters regarding homosexual behavior. It is clear that homosexuality is touched upon in the Sodom narrative, but the actual prohibition is not stated there.

Juding from the fiery responses by Sambee, yourself, and somewhat by Uhuh, it is also clear that your homophobic biases color your interpreations.

I never said that homosexuality wasnt prohibited, I just said it wasnt in that narrative. You dudes continue to read more into my posts than I say - despite MULTIPLE reposts by myself.

That says more about your BIASES (homophobia) than my interpretations.

This shall be the end of this topic for now from me.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#158957 Jan 18, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a DECEPTIVE Judahite and you are a replica of your masters.
calling me names always works

weak response

dont forget to judge me

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