Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 230206 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Brussels Journal.

MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#158469 Jan 13, 2013
SC wrote:
You became the lawyer of Arabic language, but you missed my point.

Bmz was trying to elevate Arabic over any other language, and I told him Arabic isn't better or worst than many such Latin and Greek.

Ask to him what is criterion to establish which language is better than another.

You're right when you say there are Arabic words that cannot be translated into English, and from my personal experience I can say there are English words that cannot be translated into Italian and vice versa and I'm sure there are English words that cannot be translated into Arabic.

You touched an issue very important, why certain translators translate a word giving a meaning rather than another. Reading the Quran (English translation) and dealing with Muslims I learnt that Muslims tend to accept the translation that more make sense, rather the one who expose the fraud. One day out of curiosity I wanted to check onto Arabic dictionary what was the main meaning for that Arabic word and guess what, the meaning was something that the Muslims on net denied its meaning.
Ans.

01. First of all there is no advantage "per see" of any language over other. All languages are from God and He listens to prayers of His servants in every language.

02. In fact Quran speaks of differences in languages and colors as one of "signs" of Allah.

03. God did sent His revelation in different languages, so there is no preference per see of Arabic language. Torah given to Moses was in his language and Quran gives the same status to Torah as it gives to itself. It uses the same words of honor for Torah as it uses for Quran!!

04. The importance of Arabic is now, because the Last and Final Testament of God is in Arabic language and sayings of Last and Final prophet is in Arabic.

05. But in no way prophet told that every one must learn Arabic and only speak in Arabic tongue. He conducted so many negotiations and treaties with Non Arabic people, making use of translators.

06. So Islamic viewpoint regarding languages is very clear and we do not want to enter into debate as to which language is superior to other. To every people, their language is "best and sweetest" in the world!!

07. I told you translating Quran from Arabic to English is a human effort, every translators chooses the words that best convey the meanings of Quran according to him.

There is no dogma attached to any translation, but it should not go against the established interpretation of Quran as agreed by Great Quranic Scholars of earliest times.

And no translation is perfect and no translation can take the place of Arabic Quran. Every Muslim recites Quran in its original Arabic (it makes one's hairs to stand, even if he might not know a word of Arabic) and then looks into translations to know what they mean.

Allah Knows best.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#158470 Jan 13, 2013
Bufford wrote:
If someone learns how to read URDU, he learns to read it as it is written by those who know how to write URDU, "punctuation marks" and all, period.

Assuming that Caliph Uthman knew how to READ Arabic when he was rounding up the variant Qur'ans in an effort to produce one final authoritative version, I wonder how many of these "Authentic Reciters" of the Qur'an that he must have gathered together also knew how to READ Arabic, so that they wouldn't have to take his word for it, for example, that the letter X in the Qur'an means the same as X! when it is pronounced but not the same as !X.

Of course, the "Authentic Reciters" would have to all be in agreement about what Allah/Jibreel/Mohammad's Arabic SOUNDED LIKE even BEFORE they tried tackling its written form WITHOUT "puntuation marks."

Your argument is unconvincing.
__________
I don't recall ever pretending to be an atheist.
Ans.

See how you are "muddling up" your arguments. I said Almost ALL Urdu Books are written without any punctuation marks. And it is not the case with Urdu, But Persian and Sindhi are also written without punctuation marks.

I do not know Persian, but since it uses the same letters as Urdu, I can read it, but I make hundreds of mistakes, because I do not understand a word of it.

But if someone put punctuation marks, I will be able to read it correctly, even if I might not understand a word of it!!

Of Course, Caliph Othman and Arabs of his time, knew how to read Arabic without punctuation marks and without dots.

Quran was always recited in prayers, if you offer regular prayers in ANY Mosque, you will hear the full Quran many times during one year!! During Ramadan nights itself, Whole Quran is recited more than once from beginning to end!!

All of these Learned Reciters, learned and practiced their Quran in front of Companions of prophet and they were allowed to teach others, only after they got is perfected.

My arguments are not to convince you, because there is no cure for some one who has "sickness inside his hearts".

Your arguments show that you are an atheist.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#158471 Jan 13, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
My arguments are not to convince you, because there is no cure for some one who has "sickness inside his hearts".
Your arguments show that you are an atheist.
Is there something inherently sick, in your value system, for being an atheist?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#158472 Jan 13, 2013
Eric wrote:
btw, Hugh, do the Lembas, Bet Israel, and Yemeni Jews have "Jewish Noses"?
And why doesnt our favorite wannabee Jew on this forum, Mr SamBee, have a "Jewish nose"?

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#158473 Jan 13, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I was not trying to elevate Arabic over any language.
My point is that Greek is a very poor and an unfit language for a scripture.
Christian scripture was not written in the language that Jesus spoke or was fluent in. Hence the absurdities, which even the Christian scholars continue to debate and disagree.
Time to educate you:
A simple word like Ruach was turned into Ghost.
Have you ever heard of the word Ghost for Ruach in the English translations of Jewish Holy Scriptures by Jewish scholars?
This silly word Ghost came courtesy the scripturally poor language Greek. It was changed into Spirit only in the modern times. Perhaps, it was changed because the kids were getting scared.
Now, if you can, show me if the Jews have ever used the silly word Ghost for Ruach.
You cannot make a point only by affirming that a certain language is poor and unfit for a scripture, you need to back up your claims, and as far as I know all your examples are hilarious.

Take the last one, you are accusing Greek by using English language because they have translated ruach with ghost instead of spirit.

Lessons of the day:

In English language ghost means spirit:
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/br...

At the end of the day you are not that "well read" and "educated" as you claim to be.

Since you love to criticize Greek, let me break this down for you. The Hebraic word ruach, that can be used to mean spirit, literally means to breath or blow, while the Greeks translated that word with pneuma that can be used to mean spirit, but literally means breath, air of vital blow.

At this point anyone can figure out your brain is POOR and UNFIT for Greek language.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#158474 Jan 13, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. First of all there is no advantage "per see" of any language over other. All languages are from God and He listens to prayers of His servants in every language.
02. In fact Quran speaks of differences in languages and colors as one of "signs" of Allah.
03. God did sent His revelation in different languages, so there is no preference per see of Arabic language. Torah given to Moses was in his language and Quran gives the same status to Torah as it gives to itself. It uses the same words of honor for Torah as it uses for Quran!!
04. The importance of Arabic is now, because the Last and Final Testament of God is in Arabic language and sayings of Last and Final prophet is in Arabic.
05. But in no way prophet told that every one must learn Arabic and only speak in Arabic tongue. He conducted so many negotiations and treaties with Non Arabic people, making use of translators.
06. So Islamic viewpoint regarding languages is very clear and we do not want to enter into debate as to which language is superior to other. To every people, their language is "best and sweetest" in the world!!
07. I told you translating Quran from Arabic to English is a human effort, every translators chooses the words that best convey the meanings of Quran according to him.
There is no dogma attached to any translation, but it should not go against the established interpretation of Quran as agreed by Great Quranic Scholars of earliest times.
And no translation is perfect and no translation can take the place of Arabic Quran. Every Muslim recites Quran in its original Arabic (it makes one's hairs to stand, even if he might not know a word of Arabic) and then looks into translations to know what they mean.
Allah Knows best.
I don't understand why you are writing such a long post to me and not to bmz. All I'm saying is that arabic language is not better or worst than other ones.

While bmz is saying that Greek language is poor and unfit for the scripture, this is why god has not revealed anything in that language, but as you said, and I said few days ago, Allah sent messengers to all nations. But he keeps ignoring, lying and denying anything goes against his wishes.

Since it's clear there is disagreement between you and him and time for you to educate him to what Quran said.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158475 Jan 13, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>IOW, light is fire, as seen.
Did Mohammad know this?
1.Not all lights that are seen by ME are fires.
2. My response was based on your question ONLY. I thought that it was a good question but was unaware of the background.
3. It is said that he was a prophet and if that is correct it is highly likely,but not necessarily so, that he knew.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158476 Jan 13, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Somehow, in "Allah's" matrix, this is THE difference between angels and jinn.
I haven't the foggiest.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#158477 Jan 13, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
See how you are "muddling up" your arguments. I said Almost ALL Urdu Books are written without any punctuation marks. And it is not the case with Urdu, But Persian and Sindhi are also written without punctuation marks.
I do not know Persian, but since it uses the same letters as Urdu, I can read it, but I make hundreds of mistakes, because I do not understand a word of it.
But if someone put punctuation marks, I will be able to read it correctly, even if I might not understand a word of it!!
Of Course, Caliph Othman and Arabs of his time, knew how to read Arabic without punctuation marks and without dots.
Quran was always recited in prayers, if you offer regular prayers in ANY Mosque, you will hear the full Quran many times during one year!! During Ramadan nights itself, Whole Quran is recited more than once from beginning to end!!
All of these Learned Reciters, learned and practiced their Quran in front of Companions of prophet and they were allowed to teach others, only after they got is perfected.
My arguments are not to convince you, because there is no cure for some one who has "sickness inside his hearts".
Your arguments show that you are an atheist.
I get it! All of the "Great Quranic Scholars of earliest times" got together with all of the "Authentic Reciters" and together they decided to clarify how Allah/Jibreel/Mohammad's Qur'anic Arabic SHOULD sound when recited -because that's what matters most of all- so they invented diacritical marks that everyone agreed on that have persisted to this day! The very thought makes my hair stand up! It's a miracle, I say!

http://www.quickarabic.com/pronunciation.html
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158479 Jan 13, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, so that's how it goes, Hugh? Well stereotypes abound in this world:
All Blacks have broad noses and thick lips; All Blacks have the same skin pigmentation; All Blacks like fried chicken and watermelon; All Blacks have rhthym; All Blacks are good at sports, but when it comes to brains ........well you get the picture.
Stereotypes are horrible things.
HughBe--First I shall deal with your current rubbish then you are being advised to STUDY my previous post as you have not grasped it.

Eric---All Blacks have broad noses and thick lips; All Blacks have the same skin pigmentation

HughBe--- Clearly you did NOT understand my post. In my post I said some will say that such is the case because you are not a FULL Jew.

Knowing that you will NEVER get it on your own I shall spell it out for you. Not all blacks are FULL blacks. I am NOT a FULL black in origin. I am mixed. In America where YOU live and in YOUR lifetime if a WHITE is known to have ONE drop of black blood they were regarded as black. I bet a WHITE American like you did not know this.

Eric---All Blacks like fried chicken and watermelon

HughBe--- In your mind diet is a function of RACE and not culture. So then the blacks in France eat differently than the whites. In addition your BS amounts to ALL Jews eat the same way and to this I can GUARANTEE you that Jews in Jamaica eat like Jamaicans. Your BS means all Jews eat Kosher and that explains Frijoles EATING of shrimps etc.

Eric--All Blacks are good at sports, but when it comes to brains .

HughBe--- Good relative to others, some will say. In terms of the brains thing it is plain to ALL that I am no match for your brilliance or that of Dr. Frijoles. The day that I discuss religion with the very BRIGHTEST of your rabbis in a PUBLIC forum their superiority shall be in greater evidence.
__________

STUDY, STUDY, STUDY what follows.

Eric--I don't have a "Jewish Nose".

HughBe--- Some will say that such is the case because you are not a full Jew.

My points are repeated below with significant ADDITIONS for your LEARNING.

1.Judaism/religion does NOT give the Jews their DNA. Jewish DNA testings are NOT done to determine RELIGION.The tests are done to determine RACE.

2.RACE/LINEAGE gives Jews their DNA. Recall, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob/Israel etc. that is LINEAGE/race.

3.Jews are a RACE of people.

4.Judaism is a RELIGION and its members are Judahites.

5.Judaism/religion does NOT give the Jews a JEWISH NOSE.

6.RACE gives Jews, JEWISH NOSES

7. Jews were in existence LONG before Moses got the law.

8. God made a COVENANT with a people KNOWN as Israel/Jews.

9. The LAW or COVENANT did NOT make them Jews they were ALREADY Jews

10. Jews existed over a 1000 years before Judaism.

11. When Jews leave Judaism their DNA do NOT change.

12. When Jews leave Judaism they REMAIN the SEED of Abraham, Isaac and Israel and there is NOTHING that you and other rabbis can do about that REALITY.

13. When a CONVERT leaves Judaism, is s/he still a spiritual Jew? NO, NO, NO!

14. When a Jew,seed of Israel, leaves Judaism is s/he still a Jew. YES. The DNA does not change. Only DECEIVERS don't get this.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#158480 Jan 13, 2013
MUQ wrote:
My arguments are not to convince you, because there is no cure for some one who has "sickness inside his hearts".
Your arguments show that you are an atheist.
MUQtard,

Not true! Your arguments really have CONVINCED me that you are an unteachable and unapologetically arrogant slave of the Spelunker from Mecca who had a "spiritual encounter with Jibreel" one day that transformed him over the next 23 years into a self-serving thief, murderer, rape-enabler, and enslaver of women and children, and whose "Allah" had an even fouler disposition than he did, especially when it came to dealing with "unbelieving" Jews, but if it makes you feel better about yourself to believe that your arguments HAVEN'T convinced me of anything, then I can't help you.

Incidentally, I believe in the possibility of one God who created everything, but it isn't Islam's "Allah," because the one God of possibility doesn't order the executions of Jewish poets who write and recite satirical verses about a certain Spelunker from Mecca.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#158481 Jan 13, 2013
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#158482 Jan 13, 2013
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#158483 Jan 13, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
This channel is not available in (my) country. U.S.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158484 Jan 13, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
<quoted text>
You cannot make a point only by affirming that a certain language is poor and unfit for a scripture, you need to back up your claims, and as far as I know all your examples are hilarious.
Take the last one, you are accusing Greek by using English language because they have translated ruach with ghost instead of spirit.

Lessons of the day:
In English language ghost means spirit:
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/br...
At the end of the day you are not that "well read" and "educated" as you claim to be.
Since you love to criticize Greek, let me break this down for you. The Hebraic word ruach, that can be used to mean spirit, literally means to breath or blow, while the Greeks translated that word with pneuma that can be used to mean spirit, but literally means breath, air of vital blow.

At this point anyone can figure out your brain is POOR and UNFIT for Greek language.
Do not try to twist, turn squirm and wriggle.

Yes, I do criticize the Greek language as a poor and unfit language for Scripture. That non-scriptural language is the mother of all problems of distortion, fraud, forgeries and edits in the Christian Bible.

Just answer what I asked. Here is my post again:

"Time to educate you:

A simple word like Ruach was turned into Ghost.

Have you ever heard of the word Ghost for Ruach in the English translations of Jewish Holy Scriptures by Jewish scholars?

This silly word Ghost came courtesy the scripturally poor language Greek. It was changed into Spirit only in the modern times. Perhaps, it was changed because the kids were getting scared.

Now, if you can, show me if the Jews have ever used the silly word Ghost for Ruach."

And show me where have the Jews used the word Ghost for Ruach. This is your assignment.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158485 Jan 13, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't understand why you are writing such a long post to me and not to bmz. All I'm saying is that arabic language is not better or worst than other ones.
While bmz is saying that Greek language is poor and unfit for the scripture, this is why god has not revealed anything in that language, but as you said, and I said few days ago, Allah sent messengers to all nations. But he keeps ignoring, lying and denying anything goes against his wishes.
Since it's clear there is disagreement between you and him and time for you to educate him to what Quran said.
MUQ and I have no serious differences or disagreements.

MUQ will never say that Satan was a fallen angel because every Muslim knows that angels do not disobey God and every Muslim knows that Satan was created from "Naar, which means fire.

How many times do I have to tell you that I have not compared Arabic with any language here.

It is you, who keeps producing red herring responses.

All I am saying is that God gave no Scripture in Greek. That language is unfit and poor for a Scripture.

You drift a lot, Signor Red Herring!

Go back to the Ghost and tell me how that word came up?
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#158486 Jan 13, 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buraq

Al-Buraq (Arabic: "lightning") is a mythological steed, described as a creature from the heavens which transported the prophets. The most commonly told story is how in the 7th century, Al-Buraq carried the Islamic prophet Muhammad from Mecca to Jerusalem and back during the Isra and Mi'raj or "Night Journey", which is the title of one of the chapters (sura), Al-Isra, of the Quran.

While the Buraq is almost always portrayed with a human face in far-eastern and Persian art, no Hadiths or early Islamic references allude to it having a humanoid face. This, which found its way into Indian and Persian Islamic art, may have been influenced by a misrepresentation or translation from Arabic to Persian of texts and stories describing the winged steed as a "... beautiful faced creature."

An excerpt from a translation of Sahih al-Bukhari describes Al-Buraq:

"...Then a white animal which was smaller than a mule and bigger than a donkey was brought to me." ... "The animal's step (was so wide that it) reached the farthest point within the reach of the animal's sight...."

—Muhammad al-Bukhari, Sahih al-Bukhari

Another description of the Buraq:

Then he [Gabriel] brought the Buraq, handsome-faced and bridled, a tall, white beast, bigger than the donkey but smaller than the mule. He could place his hooves at the farthest boundary of his gaze. He had long ears. Whenever he faced a mountain his hind legs would extend, and whenever he went downhill his front legs would extend. He had two wings on his thighs which lent strength to his legs. He bucked when Muhammad came to mount him. The angel Jibril (Gabriel) put his hand on his mane and said: "Are you not ashamed, O Buraq? By Allah, no-one has ridden you in all creation more dear to Allah than he is." Hearing this he was so ashamed that he sweated until he became soaked, and he stood still so that the Prophet mounted him.

The journey to the Seventh Heaven

Mi'raj

According to Islam, the Night Journey took place 12 years after Muhammad became a prophet, during the 7th century. Muhammad had been in his home city of Mecca, at his cousin's home (the house of Ummu Hani' binti Abu Talib). Afterwards,Prophet Muhammad went to the Masjid al-Haram. While he was resting at the Kaaba, the angel Jibril (Gabriel) appeared to him followed by the Buraq. Muhammad mounted the beast, and in the company of Gabriel, they traveled to the "farthest mosque". The location of this mosque was not explicitly stated, but is generally accepted to mean Al-Aqsa Mosque (Temple Mount) in Jerusalem. At this location, He dismounted from the Buraq, prayed, and then once again mounted the Buraq and was taken to the various heavens, to meet first the earlier prophets and then God (Allah). Muhammad was instructed to tell his followers that they were to offer prayers 50 times per day. However, at the urging of Moses (Musa), Muhammad returns to God and it was eventually reduced to 10 times, and then 5 times per day as this was the destiny of Muhammad and his people. The Buraq then transported Muhammad back to Mecca.

In the Qur'an's sura, Muhammad's mystic travel to the Heavens is quoted as:

Glory to (Allah) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless,- in order that We might show him some of Our Signs: for He is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things).

—Qur'an, sura 17 (Al-Isra), ayah 1[4]

Sahih International translation:

Exalted is He who Took His Servant by night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-Masjid al-Aqsa, whose surroundings We Have Blessed, to Show him of Our Signs. Indeed, He Is the Hearing, the Seeing.

—Qur'an, sura 17 (Al-Isra), ayah 1

All the other details were filled in from the supplemental writings, the hadith.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#158487 Jan 13, 2013
The Buraq was also said to transport Abraham (Ibrahim) when he visited his wife Hagar and son Ishmael. According to tradition, Abraham lived with one wife in Syria, but the Buraq would transport him in the morning to Mecca to see his family there, and take him back in the evening to his Syrian wife.
__________
How convenient!
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#158490 Jan 13, 2013
Put another way, Muslim disregard for the "Wailing Wall" claim of the Jews is governed by a Qur'anic fairy tale.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#158491 Jan 13, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
1.Not all lights that are seen by ME are fires.
2. My response was based on your question ONLY. I thought that it was a good question but was unaware of the background.
3. It is said that he was a prophet and if that is correct it is highly likely,but not necessarily so, that he knew.
Hello HughBe.
Your posts are full of wisdom and sadly wasted on an uneducated non-gentile like bu(utteredbuttturdlick)ford.
He poses as a "Christian" but refuses to understand the explanatiuons given in Christian circles about "light" and "fire".
All in all he is an utter waste of space on planet earth.
This ought to point him in a direction if he wants to defend his Christian credentials...
..........
http://www.creationtips.com/light_sun.html
First, realize that light can exist without the sun. Candles, fires, flashlights, glowworms, car headlights, matches, and many other objects give off light without the sun. All that was needed for light to exist on the first day was a light source.

The sun and moon are light-givers, but they are not the only light-givers.

Light energy first

GOD ACTIVATED LIGHT ENERGY FIRST, then great masses of material were gathered together and set burning in complex chemical and nuclear reactions, and the sun and moon were CREATED TO SERVE AS LIGHT BEARERS, or light-givers, for the earth.

Dr. Henry Morris made an interesting point about this passage when he said that because God is light, dwelling in light (1 Timothy 6:16), He did not have to create light. But God did create darkness (Isaiah 45:7)“as the initial state of the unformed and uninhabited earth (Genesis 1:2).” He created the primeval darkness to form a division between day and night.
..........

Let bu(tteredbuttturdlick)ford challenge his own so called "christians" before challenging the Holy Quran.

As bu(butteredbuttturdlick)ford is uneducated he wouldn't know much physics..light in terms of particles waves or other...
Let him continue to assume that only fire "creates" light!

Prophet and Quran are light years ahead of this idiot...

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