Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 Full story: The Brussels Journal 212,036

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158338 Jan 11, 2013
Eric wrote:
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Did you see this http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/judaism/T...
My question is, have you read this? If yes, respond NOW.

Magician/divinator please FOCUS.

HughBe--- Let me tell you a story. Once there was a young man that was being arrested by the police. His father cried out to him and said, be respectful to the police and OBEY them. He then said to the police treat my son fairly and kindly.

Quote the facts that are in evidence which support your position. Quote the facts that support the position that the arrest was moral, justified, merited and lawful.

Nowhere in MY story do I state that the arrest was proper, moral, justified, merited or lawful. Prove otherwise by quoting.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#158339 Jan 11, 2013
bmz wrote:
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Clueless Fool! You really talk through your arse.
Faith's own words direct to you about that subject: "Don't bastardize the words of Allah, you filthy Kafir, Muslim wannabe".

The dude said it so well.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#158340 Jan 11, 2013
bmz wrote:
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The story of demons is not nonsense. Christians like Buford believe in that.
Where did you find the story of God dealing with a rebel angel? You must have read in some books from the Christian Church!
The name Iblis sounds a ring?

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#158341 Jan 11, 2013
CORRECTION bmz:

The name Iblis rings a bell?
Eric

Arlington Heights, IL

#158342 Jan 11, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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My question is, have you read this? If yes, respond NOW.
Magician/divinator please FOCUS.
HughBe--- Let me tell you a story. Once there was a young man that was being arrested by the police. His father cried out to him and said, be respectful to the police and OBEY them. He then said to the police treat my son fairly and kindly.
Quote the facts that are in evidence which support your position. Quote the facts that support the position that the arrest was moral, justified, merited and lawful.
Nowhere in MY story do I state that the arrest was proper, moral, justified, merited or lawful. Prove otherwise by quoting.
Like normal, you have everything ass backward. Under English Common Law, the basis of law in both the US and Jamaica, decisions are to be made on the basis of facts in evidence. It is objectional for either side to ask questions based upon facts not in evidence. A question based upon facts not in evidence is stricken as without foundation.

Your story does not say that the arrest was improper, immoral, unjustified, unmerited or unlawful. Based upon the judicial rules of both the US and Jamaica, I answer your question upon the facts in evidence and assume no facts not in evidence.

The answer is yes.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158344 Jan 11, 2013
bmz wrote:
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Thanks for your views, Eric. We can agree to disagree and agree where we can. No worries.
Eric---The 7 are the prime laws that should apply to all.

BMZ---Thanks for your views, Eric. We can agree to disagree and agree where we can.

HughBe--- The 7 are an example of the LIES and DECEPTION of the Judahites and more so of their masters that have misled them.

Young Eric and other Judahites here are just as no good as their masters and I say this because they have no excuse or cannot claim that they don't know better.

Let us look at the 7. The same 7 are subdivided by the Judahites and applied to themselves. The fact is the same thing can be done for the non-Jews and therefore you would end up with MUCH more than 7 when .

The thing is Judahites want to feel special and important and in achieving this they will not stop at anything and so they will DECEIVE among other things.

Finally, I have pointed out to the half-wits i.e. Eric and company that Noah KNEW about the laws of clean and unclean otherwise he may have sacrificed his favourite DOG to God or for that matter his favourite food a PIG. These INCLUSION of these laws would also expand the 7. But no the Judahites must be SPECIAL.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158345 Jan 11, 2013
Eric wrote:
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Like normal, you have everything ass backward. Under English Common Law, the basis of law in both the US and Jamaica, decisions are to be made on the basis of facts in evidence. It is objectional for either side to ask questions based upon facts not in evidence. A question based upon facts not in evidence is stricken as without foundation.
Your story does not say that the arrest was improper, immoral, unjustified, unmerited or unlawful. Based upon the judicial rules of both the US and Jamaica, I answer your question upon the facts in evidence and assume no facts not in evidence.
The answer is yes.
You really need to stop fooling yourself and when you do you will realize that others see CS and LIES that you speak and promote. Have some basic pride and sense of decency.

My question is, have you read this? If yes, respond NOW.

Magician/divinator please FOCUS.

HughBe--- Let me tell you a story. Once there was a young man that was being arrested by the police. His father cried out to him and said, be respectful to the police and OBEY them. He then said to the police treat my son fairly and kindly.

Quote the facts that are in evidence which support your position. Quote the facts that support the position that the arrest was moral, justified, merited and lawful.

Nowhere in MY story do I state that the arrest was proper, moral, justified, merited or lawful. Prove otherwise by quoting.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158346 Jan 11, 2013
Eric wrote:
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Which was a stupid thing to say because it's already evening where you live.
Nothing new about the principle involved. It is standard.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158347 Jan 11, 2013
Eric wrote:
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Like normal, you have everything ass backward. Under English Common Law, the basis of law in both the US and Jamaica, decisions are to be made on the basis of facts in evidence. It is objectional for either side to ask questions based upon facts not in evidence. A question based upon facts not in evidence is stricken as without foundation.
Your story does not say that the arrest was improper, immoral, unjustified, unmerited or unlawful. Based upon the judicial rules of both the US and Jamaica, I answer your question upon the facts in evidence and assume no facts not in evidence.
The answer is yes.
Quote the words that support your LIE that the father supported the arrest of his son.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158348 Jan 11, 2013
later

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158349 Jan 11, 2013
Eric wrote:
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May you have a blessed afternoon of prayer.
Thank you. Good Sabbath to you.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158350 Jan 11, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
CORRECTION bmz:
The name Iblis rings a bell?
I know the name very well. So, what is your point?

Was Iblis an angel before he disobeyed God? According to Qur'aan, he was from the Jinns, a creation before man.

According to Qur'aan, the angels never disobey God and do as they are told.

Fallen angel is a Christian innovation.
uhuh

Jumilla, Spain

#158351 Jan 11, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
you have a very narrow interpetation of my religion.
"The following do not have any portion in the world to come, their souls are cut off forever:...koferim ba-Torah.
Koferim ba-Torah are those who maintain that God has replaced or nullified the mitzvot, such as the Muslims and Christians" (Mishneh Torah, hilchot Teshuvah)

but i guess Maimonides too had a "very narrow interpretation" of "Frijole's religion"
uhuh

Jumilla, Spain

#158352 Jan 11, 2013
"The commentaries of the geonim, their responsa, the Talmud itself, both Babylonian and Jerusalem, the Sifra, Sifrei, and Tosefta; all of them require considerable study so that only a few individuals fully comprehend them. For this purpose I have intently studied all these works and put them together in plain language so that the entire Oral Law may be accessible to all" (intro to Mishneh Torah)

i wonder how much of the Sifra, Sifrei, and Tosefta have Frijoles learned that he now has a wide interpretation of his religion

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#158353 Jan 11, 2013
uhuh wrote:
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"The following do not have any portion in the world to come, their souls are cut off forever:...koferim ba-Torah.
Koferim ba-Torah are those who maintain that God has replaced or nullified the mitzvot, such as the Muslims and Christians" (Mishneh Torah, hilchot Teshuvah)
but i guess Maimonides too had a "very narrow interpretation" of "Frijole's religion"
context is everything.

Pony up - are you muslim?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#158354 Jan 11, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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The thing is Judahites want to feel special and important and in achieving this they will not stop at anything and so they will DECEIVE among other things.
We are called Jews. Everyone other than you and perhaps Alex calls us Jews. We call ourselves Jews.

Your private vocabulary only makes you look like a hater.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#158355 Jan 11, 2013
Eric wrote:
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In this economy, I know the meaning of working for reduced fees because clients are wanting.
Thats not even the least of it. Getting people to actually pay is the other challenge. Though I have pretty lucky in that regard. But my colleagues are always complaining about this.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#158356 Jan 11, 2013
uhuh wrote:
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"The following do not have any portion in the world to come, their souls are cut off forever:...koferim ba-Torah.
Koferim ba-Torah are those who maintain that God has replaced or nullified the mitzvot, such as the Muslims and Christians" (Mishneh Torah, hilchot Teshuvah)
but i guess Maimonides too had a "very narrow interpretation" of "Frijole's religion"
and even if you ignored the legal context (what is opinion vs what is mitzvot)

the fact is most Jews today do not waste anytime worrying or even thinking that nonJews are unworthy of going to heaven or not.

So yes, your view would be a very narrow interpretation.
SamBee

Orlando, FL

#158357 Jan 11, 2013
bmz wrote:
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I know the name very well. So, what is your point?
Was Iblis an angel before he disobeyed God? According to Qur'aan, he was from the Jinns, a creation before man.
According to Qur'aan, the angels never disobey God and do as they are told.
Fallen angel is a Christian innovation.
The Quran, in many citations, portrays Satan or Iblis as an angel:

And (remember) when We said to the angels: "Prostrate yourselves before Adam." And they prostrated except Iblis (Satan), he refused and was proud and was one of the disbelievers (disobedient to Allah). S. 2:34

And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "I am going to create a man (Adam) from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud. So, when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him (Adam) the soul which I created for him, then fall (you) down prostrating yourselves unto him." So, the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together. Except Iblis (Satan),- he refused to be among the prostrators. S. 15:28-31

And (remember) when We said to the angels: "Prostrate yourselves to Adam." They prostrated (all) except Iblis (Satan), who refused. S. 20:116

(Remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "Truly, I am going to create man from clay". So when I have fashioned him and breathed into him (his) soul created by Me, then you fall down prostrate to him." So the angels prostrated themselves, all of them: Except Iblis (Satan) he was proud and was one of the disbelievers. S. 38:71-74

The natural reading of the above texts is to see Satan as an angel who refused to obey Allahís order to worship Adam. The following passage brings out this point even more clearly:

And surely, We created you (your father Adam) and then gave you shape (the noble shape of a human being), then We told the angels, "Prostrate to Adam", and they prostrated, except Iblis (Satan), he refused to be of those who prostrate.(Allah) said: "What prevented you (O Iblis) that you did not prostrate, when I commanded you?" Iblis said: "I am better than him (Adam), You created me from fire, and him You created from clay." S. 7:11-12

Allah asks Iblis why he didnít obey his instruction to the angels to prostrate to Adam, which presupposes that he was one of the angels. The text does not say that Allah commanded some other group along with the angels to worship Adam, and therefore makes no sense for Allah to hold Iblis accountable for not obeying a command that was given to them if he wasnít an angel.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158358 Jan 11, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
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The Pakistanis are double dealing the US and the US is aware of it. The Pak army signals the Taliban when an attack imminent for them to hide. There was a documentry on this in the BBC. Not only that, my Pakistani friends themselves have acknowledged this fact. As long as the militants are around, Pakis will keep getting US aid.
Mahmood,

That is correct and the game is valid.

The US is itself double dealing with all the Muslims countries. It deserves what it gets from the Pakis.

I don't think Pakistan is running on American aid.

As long as the US remains in Afghanistan, it has to keep spending. An early exit will save the US billions of dollars that it keeps on wasting. The US is not sincere to Pakistan, so do not expect the Pakis to be sincere to US. Why should they be?

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