Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 Full story: The Brussels Journal 205,857

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157589 Jan 6, 2013
For Braindead:

http://quran.com/4/47

Sahih International
O you who were given the Scripture, believe in what We have sent down [to Muhammad], confirming that which is with you, before We obliterate faces* and turn them toward their backs or curse them as We cursed the sabbath-breakers. And ever is the decree of Allah accomplished.

*It is MANY, not SOME faces that are threatened with obliteration here, and most probably Jewish.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#157590 Jan 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope
Please try to respond to my comments below. I am confident in your ability to do so based on the fact that you are well schooled by your overlords plus you are an intelligent man. My memory tells me that you are a graduate of an Ivy League college but I could be wrong. However,if correct it confirms your intelligence.

Using scriptures ONLY define the word Jew.
Using scriptures ONLY tell me if God made any covenants with a people called Israel/Jews.
Using scriptures ONLY tell me when did the seed of Israel become Israelites.

Here is help:"And Pharaoh sent, and, behold, there was not one of the cattle of the ISRAELITES dead. And the heart of Pharaoh was hardened, and he did not let the people go." Exodus 9:7

Using basic common sense ONLY tell me who are Israelites.

Finally, quote the scripture that supports the idea that Jacob's name was changed to ISRAEL because of a COVENANT. In other words, demonstrate that the name Israel came about because of a COVENANT.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157591 Jan 6, 2013
jesus is wrote:
<quoted text>
LISTEN TO ME!
SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP!!!!
not many people could read and write and if they could they would have needed to be able to afford texts!!!!! RIGHT?
And because the desciples were being executed for what they taught, Matthew wrote his teachings down!....then he too was executed!
Jesusess,

Jesus did not come with anything new and also did not bring anything new.

Matthew copied from Mark. Perhaps copying made him tired and he made blunders.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157592 Jan 6, 2013
george whyte wrote:
<quoted text>Tabari VIII:130 "The Messenger said during his final illness,'Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.' Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying:'Allah has given permission for you to be expelled; for I have received word that the Prophet said that two religions cannot coexist in Arabia."
Hmm... how big was "Arabia" in "The Messenger's" time? Did it include the land that is now occupied by the "Zionist Entity?"

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157593 Jan 6, 2013
Buford wrote:
For Braindead:
http://quran.com/4/47
Sahih International
O you who were given the Scripture, believe in what We have sent down [to Muhammad], confirming that which is with you, before We obliterate faces* and turn them toward their backs or curse them as We cursed the sabbath-breakers. And ever is the decree of Allah accomplished.
*It is MANY, not SOME faces that are threatened with obliteration here, and most probably Jewish.
You have already been done in my post:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TT8...

Stop scratching the timber post!

I hereby declare thee a habitual liar.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157594 Jan 6, 2013
george whyte wrote:
<quoted text>Tabari VIII:130 "The Messenger said during his final illness,'Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.' Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying:'Allah has given permission for you to be expelled; for I have received word that the Prophet said that two religions cannot coexist in Arabia."
How come the ignorant fool Tabari forgot to mention the third? I mean Christianity, which was also there.

Anyway, it is true that two religions cannot exist in the same place. That is why the Jews kept Judaism in Israel as their religion. It is neither a Christian nor a Muslim state. Looks like Tabari's "prophesy" came true.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157595 Jan 6, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Hmm... how big was "Arabia" in "The Messenger's" time? Did it include the land that is now occupied by the "Zionist Entity?"
Compared with the size of Arabia, the Zionist entity was a peanut in size.

No, Arabia did not include the Zionist entity in the distant past. It is important to note that the Zionists actually appeared on the scene only about a hundred and twenty years ago.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157596 Jan 6, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
You have already been done in my post:
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TT8...
Stop scratching the timber post!
I hereby declare thee a habitual liar.
Braindead Muslim Zealot,

I didn't deliberately misquote, I simply copied the verse as written at http://prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes_Hell .... and then I pasted it here.

The REAL issue here isn't whether or not your "prophet" terrorized Jews who had allied against him by killing SOME and making captives out of MANY, while seizing all of their property as BOOTY to be distributed among his cutthroats while he kept the better portion,(including Safiyah). The REAL issue here is the FACT that your "prophet" was a proven liar who spouted "fables of the ancients" as though they were the revelations of "Allah," which is why the Jews rightly rejected him as a deluded fool in the first place.

You've never even considered this as a possibility, have you.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157598 Jan 6, 2013
Buford wrote:
Qur'an 4:47 "O you People of the Book to whom the Scripture has been given, believe in what We have (now) revealed, confirming and verifying what was possessed by you, before We destroy your faces beyond all recognition, turning you on your backs, and curse you as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers*, for the decision of Allah Must be executed."
* Ah yes, the bestial transformation of Sabbath-breakers, one of the many "fables of the ancients" that Mohammad "reimagined" and used as a threat because he was getting absolutely nowhere with the Jews.
Jesus used to talk to demons and snakes.

One day after he had his fish and chips, he retired and went into the desert. He then addressed a huge crowd of vipers and the snakes and said, "You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good?"

They ignored him.

lol!

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157599 Jan 6, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Braindead Muslim Zealot,
I didn't deliberately misquote, I simply copied the verse as written at http://prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes_Hell .... and then I pasted it here.
The REAL issue here isn't whether or not your "prophet" terrorized Jews who had allied against him by killing SOME and making captives out of MANY, while seizing all of their property as BOOTY to be distributed among his cutthroats while he kept the better portion,(including Safiyah). The REAL issue here is the FACT that your "prophet" was a proven liar who spouted "fables of the ancients" as though they were the revelations of "Allah," which is why the Jews rightly rejected him as a deluded fool in the first place.
You've never even considered this as a possibility, have you.
Buford, Even that site is full of a bunch of Christian liars. On top of that, you are another liar.

It doesn't make two liars to be true.

That site should rename itself as the Useless Messiah of Doom and Dismay!

Just being frank!
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157600 Jan 6, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Buford, Even that site is full of a bunch of Christian liars. On top of that, you are another liar.
It doesn't make two liars to be true.
That site should rename itself as the Useless Messiah of Doom and Dismay!
Just being frank!
Braindead Muslim Zealot,

This is why I posted the same passage from other, MUSLIM sources, passages that confirm that "SOME" Jews were killed, and that "MANY," were taken captive, which is why I commented that it REALLY didn't matter, because the FACT is that your "prophet" spouted JEWISH "fables of the ancients" as though they were the revelations of "Allah," which is why the Jews rejected him as a deluded fool in the first place and why they would gladly ally themselves against this murdering thief, rape-enabler, and enslaver of women and children.

Just being frank!
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157601 Jan 6, 2013
http://quran.com/33/26

Al-Ahzab

Waanzala allatheena thaharoohum min ahli alkitabi min sayaseehim waqathafa fee quloobihimu alrruAAba fareeqan taqtuloona watasiroona fareeqan

Sahih International
And He brought down those who supported them among the People of the Scripture from their fortresses and cast terror into their hearts [so that] a party you killed, and you took captive a party.

Hmmm...how big is a "party?"

http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/arabic/033...

And those of the People of the Book who aided them - Allah did take them down from their strongholds and cast terror into their hearts.(So that) some ye slew, and some ye made prisoners.

Hmmm...it's "some" and "some" in this rendering, as also here: http://www.masjidtucson.org/quran/noframes/ch...

This site has LOTS of renderings:
http://www.alquranverse.com/33/26/

The Coalition

And He descended those who cooperated/supported (against) them , from The Book`s people from their fortresses/strong holds , and He threw/hurled in their hearts/minds the terror/fright, a group/party you kill, and a group/party you capture/imprison.

(group/party and group/party)

Ahmed Ali

He made those of the people of the Book who had helped (the tribes) descend from their forts, and filled their hearts with dread, so that you killed some and made many captive;

(some and many)

Faridul Haque

And He brought down from their forts, the People given the Book(s) who had supported them, and instilled awe into their hearts - you slay a group among them and another group you make captive

(group and group)

Other renderings have "some" and "others."
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157602 Jan 6, 2013
Braindead Muslim Zealot,

In case you are wondering, I was the first to judge this post of yours: http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TT8...
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157603 Jan 6, 2013
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/3...

33:26 And He brought those of the People of the Scripture who supported them down from their strongholds, and cast panic into their hearts. Some ye slew, and ye made captive some.
33:27 And He caused you to inherit their land and their houses and their wealth, and land ye have not trodden. Allah is ever Able to do all things.

I love it when passages of the Qur'an are posted in King James' English!

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157604 Jan 6, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Braindead Muslim Zealot,
I didn't deliberately misquote, I simply copied the verse as written at http://prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes_Hell .... and then I pasted it here.
You shouldn't have done that. A liar will only use reference from another liar and that is exactly what you did.

It is good that I noticed that lie and brought it up.

Keep in mind that the silent majority of international is also reading your lies.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157605 Jan 6, 2013
jesus is wrote:
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE 12 DISCIPLES OF JESUS:
http://www.ichthus.info/Disciples/intro.html
Nobody knows what really happened to them.

Even the gospels do not talk about all of them. John did not mention the name of almost half.

Anyway, what was the contribution from each good-for-nothing disciple?

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157606 Jan 6, 2013
Buford wrote:
Braindead Muslim Zealot,
In case you are wondering, I was the first to judge this post of yours: http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TT8...
I never wonder and I can't be bothered. No worries.

You are the one, who is very sensitive. lol!

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157607 Jan 6, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Braindead Muslim Zealot,
I didn't deliberately misquote, I simply copied the verse as written at http://prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes_Hell .... and then I pasted it here.
The REAL issue here isn't whether or not your "prophet" terrorized Jews who had allied against him by killing SOME and making captives out of MANY, while seizing all of their property as BOOTY to be distributed among his cutthroats while he kept the better portion,(including Safiyah). The REAL issue here is the FACT that your "prophet" was a proven liar who spouted "fables of the ancients" as though they were the revelations of "Allah," which is why the Jews rightly rejected him as a deluded fool in the first place.
You've never even considered this as a possibility, have you.
The Jews of Banu Nadir, Banu Qaynuqa and Banu Quraizah got the punishment, they deserved.
Period!

Even your pet source Wikipedia confirms that they were treacherous and conspired with the Meccan pagans. And they worked against the man, who had made peace between those Jewish tribes, who were fighting with each other.

Banu Nadir and Banu Qaynuqa begged to be allowed to go into exile and they were allowed. The leaders of Banu Quraizah, who had conspired with the pagans to annihilate the Prophet and Muslims, were killed.

Safiyah became the mother of all believers and never grumbled like the polemicists and you. Can you show me any ahaadith showing Safiyah talking against the Prophet and Islam? Nothing!

You should talk more about the millions of Jews killed by European Christians and also about those killed in Christian countries during WW II more often. While you are at it, tell us also about the Christian hate of the Jews that lasted for centuries.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157608 Jan 6, 2013
Buford wrote:
I love it when passages of the Qur'an are posted in King James' English!
But I don't like the King James' English in which the Christian Bible was written.

I like the one translated by Wycliffe in the 14th Century.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157609 Jan 6, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
You shouldn't have done that. A liar will only use reference from another liar and that is exactly what you did.
It is good that I noticed that lie and brought it up.
Keep in mind that the silent majority of international is also reading your lies.
Braindead Muslim Zealot,

You DELIBERATELY ignore the FACT that I have posted MULTIPLE renditions of that stinking passage, and from MUSLIM sources. I'm sure that the "silent majority of international," if it reads your unrelenting blather at all, is wondering how you can be so obtuse and uncomprehending.

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