Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 Full story: The Brussels Journal 207,174

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157572 Jan 6, 2013
jesus is wrote:
<quoted text>
BECAUSE RELIGION WAS TAUGHT ORALLY FK-FACE!
Not alot of people could read remember??????
There was also no religion left behind by Jesus. Disciples were dumb and did not teach anything.

What was there for them to teach?
george whyte

Market Rasen, UK

#157573 Jan 6, 2013
Let us examine below some valid questions and answers :

Did the Pagan Arabs in pre-Islamic times worship 360 gods? Yes

Did the pagans Arabs worship the sun, moon and the stars? Yes

Did the Arabs built temples to the Moon-god? Yes

Did different Arab tribes give the Moon-god different names/titles? Yes

What were some of the names/titles? Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, Al-ilah.

Was the title “al-ilah”(the god) used as the Moon-god? Yes

Was the word “Allah” derived from “al-ilah?” Yes

Was the pagan “Allah” a high god in a pantheon of deities? Yes.

Was he worshipped at the Kabah? Yes.

Was Allah only one of many Meccan gods? Yes

Did they place a statue of Hubul on top of the Kabah? Yes.

At that time was Hubul considered the Moon-god? Yes.

Was the Kabah thus the “house of the Moon-god”? Yes.

Did the name “Allah” eventually replace that of Hubul as the name of the Moon god? Yes.

Did they call the Kabah the “house of Allah”? Yes.

Were al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat called “the daughters of Allah”? Yes.

Yusuf Ali explains in fn. 5096, pg. 1445, that Lat, Uzza and Manat were known as “the daughters of God [Allah]”

Did the Qur’an at one point tell Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat? Yes. In Surah 53:19-20.

Have those verses been “abrogated” out of the present Qur’an? Yes.

What were they called?“The Satanic Verses.”
jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#157574 Jan 6, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Correction, Jesusess
Should read: They had no scriptures. Jesus and his disciples did not leave any.
Thanks, Jesusess
WHY DIDN'T ALLAH FORCE EACH OF THEM TO WRITE SOMETHING?
Jesus and his disciples were all had copies of the Jewish scriptures!

Many verses are quoted in the Gospels!
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#157575 Jan 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
To begin with, call us Jews. Thats what we call ourselves. Unless you are incapable of even that attempt of respect.
Then, perhaps, then, I might reconsider not labeling you a Jew hater.
This is comical Frijoles.
You can be a good human without telling others what to do!
There should be no conditions.

When do you properly agree that Palestinians are Semitic without mentioning their "non-gentile" origin?
Are Arabs Semites?

Returning to Gentiles and Non- Gentiles, I think "Non-Gentile" is much better that the much maligned and derisory "Jew".

Who chose to call us "gentiles"? The non-gentiles!!

If you can call us Gentiles why can't we call you "Non-Gentiles"?

Also we can now properly define people and religions:

There is "Non-Gentile" Judaism and the rest of the world's religion are "Gentile":

Now we have:

Non-Gentile Judaism

Gentile Christianity
Gentile Islam
Gentile Hinduism
Gentile Buddhism
Gentile Sikhism
Gentile Jainism
Gentile Paganism
Gentile Shinto
Gentile Taoism

Can you see now?

The Gentiles have been kept divided through their religions.

It is time the Gentiles united.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#157576 Jan 6, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
lol!
How nice, if both were still communicating. May be the 2nd last wanted the last to emigrate.
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http://cnsnews.com/news/article/only-one-jewi...

According to the American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise, a Jewish presence in Afghanistan goes back around 2,700 years. While there were possibly 80,000 Jews in the region in the 12th century, the number was about 40,000 in 1839.

“The decline came in 1870 after Afghan Muslim authorities enacted anti-Jewish measures, triggering a mass exodus to Central Asia, Persia and Palestine,” states the American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise.“The 1933 assassination of King Nadit Shah triggered another anti-Jewish campaign. Jews were banished from most Afghan cities, limiting them to Kabul, Balkh or Herat. In addition, Jews were forbidden to leave town without a permit and forced to pay special taxes.

“By the time Israel was created in 1948, approximately 5,000 Jews remained in Afghanistan, but they could not legally immigrate. Once the restriction was lifted in 1951, most Afghan Jews made their way to Israel. By 1969, only 300 Jews lived in Afghanistan, most of whom left in 1979 after the Soviet invasion. In 1996, 10 Jews remained in Afghanistan, nearly all in Kabul. In 2005, there were two Jews in Afghanistan.”

----------
see this blog for a sadly painfull take on the story of the last Jew

The last Jew in Afghanistan

By Martin Fletcher, NBC News Correspondent

http://worldblog.nbcnews.com/_news/2008/06/14...
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157577 Jan 6, 2013
bmz wrote:
In your post #157517, you deliberately misquoted:
"Qur'an:33:26 "Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before." "
I judged you right when I rubbed dung in your face as advised in Malachi. And whenever I judge you, I always let you know.
Braindead Muslim Zealot,

I didn't deliberately misquote, I simply copied the verse as written at http://prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes_Hell.... and then I pasted it here.

The REAL issue here isn't whether or not your "prophet" terrorized Jews who had allied against him by killing SOME and making captives out of MANY, while seizing all of their property as BOOTY to be distributed among his cutthroats while he kept the better portion,(including Safiyah). The REAL issue here is the FACT that your "prophet" was a proven liar who spouted "fables of the ancients" as though they were the revelations of "Allah," which is why the Jews rightly rejected him as a deluded fool in the first place.

You've never even considered this as a possibility, have you.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157578 Jan 6, 2013
bmz wrote:
Changing topic.
Let us discuss Banu Israel and their killing in Europe.
Question to Buford:
Why were millions of Jews murdered, beheaded, slaughtered, burned alive and boiled in oil by Banu Jesus, I mean the European Christians over centuries?
What was their fault? Had they sided with a particular Banu Europe? What wrong had they done?
Was it because they believed in one God, while the Banu Europe or Banu Church believed in three?
Jews were murdered by "Christians" for no good reason, whereas your "prophet" murdered Jews because "Allah" inspired him to do just that.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#157579 Jan 6, 2013
george whyte wrote:
Let us examine below some valid questions and answers :
Did the Pagan Arabs in pre-Islamic times worship 360 gods? Yes
Did the pagans Arabs worship the sun, moon and the stars? Yes
Did the Arabs built temples to the Moon-god? Yes
Did different Arab tribes give the Moon-god different names/titles? Yes
What were some of the names/titles? Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, Al-ilah.
Was the title “al-ilah”(the god) used as the Moon-god? Yes
Was the word “Allah” derived from “al-ilah?” Yes
Was the pagan “Allah” a high god in a pantheon of deities? Yes.
Was he worshipped at the Kabah? Yes.
Was Allah only one of many Meccan gods? Yes
Did they place a statue of Hubul on top of the Kabah? Yes.
At that time was Hubul considered the Moon-god? Yes.
Was the Kabah thus the “house of the Moon-god”? Yes.
Did the name “Allah” eventually replace that of Hubul as the name of the Moon god? Yes.
Did they call the Kabah the “house of Allah”? Yes.
Were al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat called “the daughters of Allah”? Yes.
Yusuf Ali explains in fn. 5096, pg. 1445, that Lat, Uzza and Manat were known as “the daughters of God [Allah]”
Did the Qur’an at one point tell Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat? Yes. In Surah 53:19-20.
Have those verses been “abrogated” out of the present Qur’an? Yes.
What were they called?“The Satanic Verses.”
Thank you for reminding me and I will worship the daughters tomorrow!
So we have sons and daughters of God while you have one or none?
lol....
(Throughout Quran Allah is clear about NOT having Children!)
jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#157580 Jan 6, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
There was also no religion left behind by Jesus. Disciples were dumb and did not teach anything.
What was there for them to teach?
WHAT BECAME OF THE DISCIPLES OF JESUS THE CHRIST?:

ANDREW
According to Hippolytus:
'Andrew preached to the Scythians [modern day Georgia] and Thracians [modern day Bulgaria], and was crucified, suspended on an olive tree, at Patrae, a town of Achaia [Greece]; and there too he was buried'.

BARTHOLOMEW
According to Hippolytus, Bartholomew preached in India:
Bartholomew, again, preached to the Indians, to whom he also gave the Gospel according to Matthew, and was crucified with his head downward, and was buried in Allanum, a town of the great Armenia [modern day southern Georgia].

EUSEBIUS
in his Church History, confirms the ministry of Bartholomew in India, and adds an eye witness account:

About that time, Pantaenus, a man highly distinguished for his learning, had charge of the school of the faithful in Alexandria... Pantaenus...is said to have gone to India. It is reported that among persons there who knew of Christ, he found the Gospel according to Matthew, which had anticipated his own arrival. For Bartholomew, one of the apostles, had preached to them, and left with them the writing of Matthew in the Hebrew language, which they had preserved till that time.----(Book 5, Chapter 10)

JAMES, Son of Alphaeus
Hippolytus identifies that James was stoned to death in Jerusalem:
'And James the son of Alphaeus, when preaching in Jerusalem, was stoned to death by the Jews, and was buried there beside the temple.'

JAMES, Son of Zebedee
James was the brother of John,
According to the Book of Acts in the New Testament, James was killed by Herod:

JOHN, brother of James and son of Zebedee
John was one of the few disciples that did not die a cruel death, but of "old age".
According to Hippolytus, John was banished by Domitian to the Isle of Patmos, and later died in Ephesus:

John, again, in Asia, was banished by Domitian the king to the isle of Patmos, in which also he wrote his Gospel and saw the apocalyptic vision; and in Trajan's time he fell asleep at Ephesus, where his remains were sought for, but could not be found.

MATTHEW/LEVI
According to Hippolytus:
Matthew wrote the Gospel in the Hebrew tongue, and published it at Jerusalem, and fell asleep at Hierees, a town of Parthia.\224 [Parthia is near modern day Tehran]

SIMON/PETER
Irenaeus (c. 180 A.D.) mentions that Peter and Paul founded the Church in Rome:
Eusebius records that Peter was put to death under Nero in Rome.
Hippolytus confirmed the fact that Peter was crucified by Nero in Rome:
'Peter preached the Gospel in Pontus, and Galatia, and Cappadocia, and Betania, and Italy, and Asia, and was afterwards crucified by Nero in Rome with his head downward, as he had himself desired to suffer in that manner.'

PHILIP
According to Hippolytus, Philip preached and was executed in what today is eastern Turkey:
'Philip preached in Phrygia, and was crucified in Hierapolis with his head downward in the time of Domitian, and was buried there.'

SIMON the Zealot
According to Hippolytus, Simon the Zealot was the second Bishop of Jerusalem.

THADDAEUS/JUDAS son of James
Hippolytus records:
'Jude, who is also called Lebbaeus, preached to the people of Edessa, and to all Mesopotamia, and fell asleep at Berytus, and was buried there'.

THOMAS
Hippolytus records that Thomas was an active missionary, and that he met his fate in India:
'And Thomas preached to the Parthians, Medes, Persians, Hyrcanians, Bactrians, and Margians, and was thrust through in the four members of his body with a pine spear at Calamene, the
jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#157581 Jan 6, 2013
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE 12 DISCIPLES OF JESUS:
http://www.ichthus.info/Disciples/intro.html
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#157582 Jan 6, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Jews were murdered by "Christians" for no good reason, whereas your "prophet" murdered Jews because "Allah" inspired him to do just that.
Non-gentile Bu(tteredbuttturdlick)ford must know the claim by non-gentiles..."if not for the loving Christian persecution and murder since around 200AD, there would be atleast 800,000,000 non-gentiles will be alive today".

Question to Buford:
Why were millions of non-gentiles murdered, beheaded, slaughtered, burned alive and boiled in oil by Banu Jesus - the European Christians over centuries?

What wrong had they done?
Was it because they believed in one God, while the Banu Europe or Banu Church believed in three and also believed that the non-gentiles MURDERED ONE of their THREE GODS?
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#157583 Jan 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/only-one-jewi...
According to the American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise, a Jewish presence in Afghanistan goes back around 2,700 years. While there were possibly 80,000 Jews in the region in the 12th century, the number was about 40,000 in 1839.
“The decline came in 1870 after Afghan Muslim authorities enacted anti-Jewish measures, triggering a mass exodus to Central Asia, Persia and Palestine,” states the American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise.“The 1933 assassination of King Nadit Shah triggered another anti-Jewish campaign. Jews were banished from most Afghan cities, limiting them to Kabul, Balkh or Herat. In addition, Jews were forbidden to leave town without a permit and forced to pay special taxes.
“By the time Israel was created in 1948, approximately 5,000 Jews remained in Afghanistan, but they could not legally immigrate. Once the restriction was lifted in 1951, most Afghan Jews made their way to Israel. By 1969, only 300 Jews lived in Afghanistan, most of whom left in 1979 after the Soviet invasion. In 1996, 10 Jews remained in Afghanistan, nearly all in Kabul. In 2005, there were two Jews in Afghanistan.”
----------
see this blog for a sadly painfull take on the story of the last Jew
The last Jew in Afghanistan
By Martin Fletcher, NBC News Correspondent
http://worldblog.nbcnews.com/_news/2008/06/14...
Sadly the same will be done to the "last Palestinian" in the zionist land of terror?
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157584 Jan 6, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Non-gentile Bu(tteredbuttturdlick)ford must know the claim by non-gentiles..."if not for the loving Christian persecution and murder since around 200AD, there would be atleast 800,000,000 non-gentiles will be alive today".
Question to Buford:
Why were millions of non-gentiles murdered, beheaded, slaughtered, burned alive and boiled in oil by Banu Jesus - the European Christians over centuries?
What wrong had they done?
Was it because they believed in one God, while the Banu Europe or Banu Church believed in three and also believed that the non-gentiles MURDERED ONE of their THREE GODS?
Al-EX the Phallocentric,

Jews were murdered by "Christians" for no good reason, whereas your "prophet" murdered SOME or MANY Jews (depending on the source) because "Allah" inspired him to do just that.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157586 Jan 6, 2013
Qur'an 4:47 "O you People of the Book to whom the Scripture has been given, believe in what We have (now) revealed, confirming and verifying what was possessed by you, before We destroy your faces beyond all recognition, turning you on your backs, and curse you as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers*, for the decision of Allah Must be executed."

* Ah yes, the bestial transformation of Sabbath-breakers, one of the many "fables of the ancients" that Mohammad "reimagined" and used as a threat because he was getting absolutely nowhere with the Jews.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#157587 Jan 6, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
This is comical Frijoles.
You can be a good human without telling others what to do!
There should be no conditions.
When do you properly agree that Palestinians are Semitic without mentioning their "non-gentile" origin?
Are Arabs Semites?
Returning to Gentiles and Non- Gentiles, I think "Non-Gentile" is much better that the much maligned and derisory "Jew".
Who chose to call us "gentiles"? The non-gentiles!!
If you can call us Gentiles why can't we call you "Non-Gentiles"?
Also we can now properly define people and religions:
There is "Non-Gentile" Judaism and the rest of the world's religion are "Gentile":
Now we have:
Non-Gentile Judaism
Gentile Christianity
Gentile Islam
Gentile Hinduism
Gentile Buddhism
Gentile Sikhism
Gentile Jainism
Gentile Paganism
Gentile Shinto
Gentile Taoism
Can you see now?
The Gentiles have been kept divided through their religions.
It is time the Gentiles united.
Alex---When do you properly agree that Palestinians are Semitic without mentioning their "non-gentile" origin?
Are Arabs Semites?

HughBe--- you are too awful, Alex. Why do you insist on truth? This insistence makes you EVIL, Alex.

Alex---Who chose to call us "gentiles"? The non-gentiles!!

HughBe-- evil questions.

Alex---If you can call us Gentiles why can't we call you "Non-Gentiles"?

HughBe--- why do you insist on asking intelligent questions, you evil man?
Don't be foolish and believe that Frijoles' words apply to you, they ONLY apply to him. Recall his words, "To begin with, call us Jews. Thats what WE CALL ourselves. Unless you are incapable of even that attempt of respect."

Your post appears to be full of evil and so I shall read no more.
george whyte

Market Rasen, UK

#157588 Jan 6, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Al-EX the Phallocentric,
Jews were murdered by "Christians" for no good reason, whereas your "prophet" murdered SOME or MANY Jews (depending on the source) because "Allah" inspired him to do just that.
Tabari VIII:130 "The Messenger said during his final illness,'Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.' Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying:'Allah has given permission for you to be expelled; for I have received word that the Prophet said that two religions cannot coexist in Arabia."
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157589 Jan 6, 2013
For Braindead:

http://quran.com/4/47

Sahih International
O you who were given the Scripture, believe in what We have sent down [to Muhammad], confirming that which is with you, before We obliterate faces* and turn them toward their backs or curse them as We cursed the sabbath-breakers. And ever is the decree of Allah accomplished.

*It is MANY, not SOME faces that are threatened with obliteration here, and most probably Jewish.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#157590 Jan 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope
Please try to respond to my comments below. I am confident in your ability to do so based on the fact that you are well schooled by your overlords plus you are an intelligent man. My memory tells me that you are a graduate of an Ivy League college but I could be wrong. However,if correct it confirms your intelligence.

Using scriptures ONLY define the word Jew.
Using scriptures ONLY tell me if God made any covenants with a people called Israel/Jews.
Using scriptures ONLY tell me when did the seed of Israel become Israelites.

Here is help:"And Pharaoh sent, and, behold, there was not one of the cattle of the ISRAELITES dead. And the heart of Pharaoh was hardened, and he did not let the people go." Exodus 9:7

Using basic common sense ONLY tell me who are Israelites.

Finally, quote the scripture that supports the idea that Jacob's name was changed to ISRAEL because of a COVENANT. In other words, demonstrate that the name Israel came about because of a COVENANT.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157591 Jan 6, 2013
jesus is wrote:
<quoted text>
LISTEN TO ME!
SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP!!!!
not many people could read and write and if they could they would have needed to be able to afford texts!!!!! RIGHT?
And because the desciples were being executed for what they taught, Matthew wrote his teachings down!....then he too was executed!
Jesusess,

Jesus did not come with anything new and also did not bring anything new.

Matthew copied from Mark. Perhaps copying made him tired and he made blunders.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157592 Jan 6, 2013
george whyte wrote:
<quoted text>Tabari VIII:130 "The Messenger said during his final illness,'Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.' Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying:'Allah has given permission for you to be expelled; for I have received word that the Prophet said that two religions cannot coexist in Arabia."
Hmm... how big was "Arabia" in "The Messenger's" time? Did it include the land that is now occupied by the "Zionist Entity?"

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