Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 228463 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#157557 Jan 6, 2013
bmz wrote:
Changing topic.
Let us discuss Banu Israel and their killing in Europe.
Question to Buford:
Why were millions of Jews murdered, beheaded, slaughtered, burned alive and boiled in oil by Banu Jesus, I mean the European Christians over centuries?
What was their fault? Had they sided with a particular Banu Europe? What wrong had they done?
Was it because they believed in one God, while the Banu Europe or Banu Church believed in three?
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-432...

Afghan papers shed light on Jewish life

National library in Jerusalem unveils cache of 1,000-year-old documents written by Jewish community, which were discovered by chance in cave which have served as hideouts for Taliban insurgents

A cache of 1,000-year-old documents written by the Jewish community in Afghanistan and unveiled in Jerusalem on Thursday sheds unprecedented light on the mediaeval Jewish community in central Asia.......

....The collection gives an unprecedented look into the lives of Jews in ancient Persia in the 11th century. The paper manuscripts, preserved over the centuries by the dry, shady conditions of the caves, include writings in Hebrew, Aramaic, Judea-Arabic and the unique Judeo-Persian language from that era, which was written in Hebrew letters.

"It was the Yiddish of Persian Jews," said Ben-Shammai.

.....He said the Jewish community in the region at the time lived largely like others in the Muslim world, as a "tolerated minority" that was treated better than under Christian rule. Afghanistan's Jewish community numbered as many as 40,000 in the late 19th century, after Persian Jews fled forced conversion.

By the mid-20th century, only about 5,000 remained, and most emigrated after Israel's creation in 1948. A lone Jewish man remains in Afghanistan, while 25,000 Jews live in neighboring Iran — Israel's bitter enemy.....

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157558 Jan 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-432...
Afghan papers shed light on Jewish life
National library in Jerusalem unveils cache of 1,000-year-old documents written by Jewish community, which were discovered by chance in cave which have served as hideouts for Taliban insurgents
A cache of 1,000-year-old documents written by the Jewish community in Afghanistan and unveiled in Jerusalem on Thursday sheds unprecedented light on the mediaeval Jewish community in central Asia.......

....The collection gives an unprecedented look into the lives of Jews in ancient Persia in the 11th century. The paper manuscripts, preserved over the centuries by the dry, shady conditions of the caves, include writings in Hebrew, Aramaic, Judea-Arabic and the unique Judeo-Persian language from that era, which was written in Hebrew letters.

"It was the Yiddish of Persian Jews," said Ben-Shammai.

.....He said the Jewish community in the region at the time lived largely like others in the Muslim world, as a "tolerated minority" that was treated better than under Christian rule. Afghanistan's Jewish community numbered as many as 40,000 in the late 19th century, after Persian Jews fled forced conversion.

By the mid-20th century, only about 5,000 remained, and most emigrated after Israel's creation in 1948. A lone Jewish man remains in Afghanistan, while 25,000 Jews live in neighboring Iran — Israel's bitter enemy.....
Yes, that is correct and the Jews lived a better but a simple life in all Muslim countries.

I do believe that if the modern state of Israel had not been created, the Jews would have lived happily along with their Muslim counterparts in the states that they lived in.

The treatment of Jews in the Christian Europe, has always been a nightmare and a thing of the recent past. That episode of centuries ignited by the massive killing just seventy years ago, was the main reason that the state of Israel was formed.

After reading your post, I searched and found this. Liked it very much. Lovely pics. Hope you will like them too.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157559 Jan 6, 2013
@ Frijoles

Sorry, I forgot to add the link:

http://www.afghanistan-photos.com/crbst_30.ht...
jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#157560 Jan 6, 2013
bmz wrote:
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Since brother Jesus left no scripture, the Christians had nothing. They did not even have an exact copy of the Jewish Holy Scriptures with them. They knew nothing, so they could not protest at anything. They were clueless.
What they had was a very poor translation of the Torah, known as the Septuagint written in the non-scriptural market language Greek, which the Jews did not even read or recite. Even the Jews do NOT read or recite from the Christians' Old Testament. Most of them do NOT even touch it.
That translation was not an authorized and an approved translation. It was done for the private collection of Ptolemy.
The Jewish Holy Scriptures were edited, corrupted and forged by the early Church fathers, who were at them for a few centuries and came up with a "Reverse Engineered" book, known as the Old Testament. There was no such thing as the Old Testament and this book was plagiarized and copied wholesale by the Church, which needed to have a scripture of some sort, badly.
The Church fathers dug into the Greek translation and tried their level best to show Jesus in the Jewish Holy Scriptures and even a dry twig, was considered as pointing to Jesus. Corruption was rampant in the first ten centuries. It only stopped after the arrival of printing press.
The Jews did not protest because they knew the Old Testament was a forgery, full of perversions and they did not care, because they had the right ones with them. Also, the Christians had no access to their Holy Scriptures.
People did write books and presented them as if they were from God.
a
YOU FN KNOW NOTHINGY YOU IMBICILE!!!!!!!!!
YoYoMa

Alphen Aan Den Rijn, Netherlands

#157562 Jan 6, 2013
Just an atheist passing through

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#157563 Jan 6, 2013
bmz wrote:
@ Frijoles
Sorry, I forgot to add the link:
http://www.afghanistan-photos.com/crbst_30.ht...
thanks

There used to be two Jews left in Afghanistans. Ironically, they hated each other. A few years ago one of them moved to Israel. There were a few newspaper articles about this.

What I find even more sad is the history and culture of the Persian Jews - they even had their own langauge! Yet Iran and Israel are considered enemies now.
jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#157564 Jan 6, 2013
THE FIRST FOLLOWERS OF JESUS WERE JEWS
and so their scriptures were the Jewish scriptures. They read them and studied them, praying their prayers and singing their songs.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157565 Jan 6, 2013
jesus is wrote:
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a
YOU FN KNOW NOTHINGY YOU IMBICILE!!!!!!!!!
Hello, Sweet Dolt

Me? Na! I know a lot.

It is you, who does not even know how to spell the word. The correct spelling is imbecile. Imbecile!
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157566 Jan 6, 2013
jesus is wrote:
THE FIRST FOLLOWERS OF JESUS WERE JEWS
and so their scriptures were the Jewish scriptures. They read them and studied them, praying their prayers and singing their songs.
They had no scriptures. Jesus and his discipels did not leave any.
jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#157568 Jan 6, 2013
bmz wrote:
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Since brother Jesus left no scripture, the Christians had nothing.
BECAUSE RELIGION WAS TAUGHT ORALLY FK-FACE!
Not alot of people could read remember??????
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157569 Jan 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
thanks
There used to be two Jews left in Afghanistans. Ironically, they hated each other. A few years ago one of them moved to Israel. There were a few newspaper articles about this.

What I find even more sad is the history and culture of the Persian Jews - they even had their own langauge! Yet Iran and Israel are considered enemies now.
lol!

How nice, if both were still communicating. May be the 2nd last wanted the last to emigrate.

Iran and Israel were friends during the Shah's regime. The enmity grew only because of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. As the Arab leaders were docile and provided only lip service, Iran became more vocal and rhetorics flew from both sides.

The Persian Jews still have their Scriptures in Hebrew. However, the learned Rabbis handle that. The situation is similar to that of non-Arab Muslims, most of whom cannot speak Arabic but can pray in Arabic..
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157570 Jan 6, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
They had no scriptures. Jesus and his discipels did not leave any.
Correction, Jesusess

Should read: They had no scriptures. Jesus and his disciples did not leave any.

Thanks, Jesusess
jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#157571 Jan 6, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
They had no scriptures. Jesus and his discipels did not leave any.
LISTEN TO ME!
SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP!!!!

not many people could read and write and if they could they would have needed to be able to afford texts!!!!! RIGHT?
And because the desciples were being executed for what they taught, Matthew wrote his teachings down!....then he too was executed!
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157572 Jan 6, 2013
jesus is wrote:
<quoted text>
BECAUSE RELIGION WAS TAUGHT ORALLY FK-FACE!
Not alot of people could read remember??????
There was also no religion left behind by Jesus. Disciples were dumb and did not teach anything.

What was there for them to teach?
george whyte

Market Rasen, UK

#157573 Jan 6, 2013
Let us examine below some valid questions and answers :

Did the Pagan Arabs in pre-Islamic times worship 360 gods? Yes

Did the pagans Arabs worship the sun, moon and the stars? Yes

Did the Arabs built temples to the Moon-god? Yes

Did different Arab tribes give the Moon-god different names/titles? Yes

What were some of the names/titles? Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, Al-ilah.

Was the title “al-ilah”(the god) used as the Moon-god? Yes

Was the word “Allah” derived from “al-ilah?” Yes

Was the pagan “Allah” a high god in a pantheon of deities? Yes.

Was he worshipped at the Kabah? Yes.

Was Allah only one of many Meccan gods? Yes

Did they place a statue of Hubul on top of the Kabah? Yes.

At that time was Hubul considered the Moon-god? Yes.

Was the Kabah thus the “house of the Moon-god”? Yes.

Did the name “Allah” eventually replace that of Hubul as the name of the Moon god? Yes.

Did they call the Kabah the “house of Allah”? Yes.

Were al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat called “the daughters of Allah”? Yes.

Yusuf Ali explains in fn. 5096, pg. 1445, that Lat, Uzza and Manat were known as “the daughters of God [Allah]”

Did the Qur’an at one point tell Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat? Yes. In Surah 53:19-20.

Have those verses been “abrogated” out of the present Qur’an? Yes.

What were they called?“The Satanic Verses.”
jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#157574 Jan 6, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Correction, Jesusess
Should read: They had no scriptures. Jesus and his disciples did not leave any.
Thanks, Jesusess
WHY DIDN'T ALLAH FORCE EACH OF THEM TO WRITE SOMETHING?
Jesus and his disciples were all had copies of the Jewish scriptures!

Many verses are quoted in the Gospels!
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#157575 Jan 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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To begin with, call us Jews. Thats what we call ourselves. Unless you are incapable of even that attempt of respect.
Then, perhaps, then, I might reconsider not labeling you a Jew hater.
This is comical Frijoles.
You can be a good human without telling others what to do!
There should be no conditions.

When do you properly agree that Palestinians are Semitic without mentioning their "non-gentile" origin?
Are Arabs Semites?

Returning to Gentiles and Non- Gentiles, I think "Non-Gentile" is much better that the much maligned and derisory "Jew".

Who chose to call us "gentiles"? The non-gentiles!!

If you can call us Gentiles why can't we call you "Non-Gentiles"?

Also we can now properly define people and religions:

There is "Non-Gentile" Judaism and the rest of the world's religion are "Gentile":

Now we have:

Non-Gentile Judaism

Gentile Christianity
Gentile Islam
Gentile Hinduism
Gentile Buddhism
Gentile Sikhism
Gentile Jainism
Gentile Paganism
Gentile Shinto
Gentile Taoism

Can you see now?

The Gentiles have been kept divided through their religions.

It is time the Gentiles united.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#157576 Jan 6, 2013
bmz wrote:
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lol!
How nice, if both were still communicating. May be the 2nd last wanted the last to emigrate.
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http://cnsnews.com/news/article/only-one-jewi...

According to the American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise, a Jewish presence in Afghanistan goes back around 2,700 years. While there were possibly 80,000 Jews in the region in the 12th century, the number was about 40,000 in 1839.

“The decline came in 1870 after Afghan Muslim authorities enacted anti-Jewish measures, triggering a mass exodus to Central Asia, Persia and Palestine,” states the American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise.“The 1933 assassination of King Nadit Shah triggered another anti-Jewish campaign. Jews were banished from most Afghan cities, limiting them to Kabul, Balkh or Herat. In addition, Jews were forbidden to leave town without a permit and forced to pay special taxes.

“By the time Israel was created in 1948, approximately 5,000 Jews remained in Afghanistan, but they could not legally immigrate. Once the restriction was lifted in 1951, most Afghan Jews made their way to Israel. By 1969, only 300 Jews lived in Afghanistan, most of whom left in 1979 after the Soviet invasion. In 1996, 10 Jews remained in Afghanistan, nearly all in Kabul. In 2005, there were two Jews in Afghanistan.”

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see this blog for a sadly painfull take on the story of the last Jew

The last Jew in Afghanistan

By Martin Fletcher, NBC News Correspondent

http://worldblog.nbcnews.com/_news/2008/06/14...
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157577 Jan 6, 2013
bmz wrote:
In your post #157517, you deliberately misquoted:
"Qur'an:33:26 "Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before." "
I judged you right when I rubbed dung in your face as advised in Malachi. And whenever I judge you, I always let you know.
Braindead Muslim Zealot,

I didn't deliberately misquote, I simply copied the verse as written at http://prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes_Hell.... and then I pasted it here.

The REAL issue here isn't whether or not your "prophet" terrorized Jews who had allied against him by killing SOME and making captives out of MANY, while seizing all of their property as BOOTY to be distributed among his cutthroats while he kept the better portion,(including Safiyah). The REAL issue here is the FACT that your "prophet" was a proven liar who spouted "fables of the ancients" as though they were the revelations of "Allah," which is why the Jews rightly rejected him as a deluded fool in the first place.

You've never even considered this as a possibility, have you.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157578 Jan 6, 2013
bmz wrote:
Changing topic.
Let us discuss Banu Israel and their killing in Europe.
Question to Buford:
Why were millions of Jews murdered, beheaded, slaughtered, burned alive and boiled in oil by Banu Jesus, I mean the European Christians over centuries?
What was their fault? Had they sided with a particular Banu Europe? What wrong had they done?
Was it because they believed in one God, while the Banu Europe or Banu Church believed in three?
Jews were murdered by "Christians" for no good reason, whereas your "prophet" murdered Jews because "Allah" inspired him to do just that.

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