Who Is Allah?

There are 20 comments on the Aug 24, 2007, The Brussels Journal story titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157211 Jan 2, 2013
CORRECTION:

Truth be told, Jesus' enemies at the time of his appearance in Israel thought that he was a demon possessed and empowered bastard, being certain that his mother Mary was a FORNICATOR who, for whatever reason, was rescued from the penalty of death, as specified in the law of Moses as it applied to FORNICATORS, by some lawbreaking guy named Joseph who decided to marry her anyway, according to Luke.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157212 Jan 2, 2013
Truth be told, no Messiah was promised by God to the Hebrews and others through Moses and the Torah.

Truth also be told, the Messiah was never supposed to be the so-called 'Son of God'. No such thing as "the Son of God" was ever mentioned or promised
to the Hebrews and the Jews.

Truth also be told, God never told anyone that God would come down as the Messiah.

Truth again be told, the Messiah for whom the Jews were and still are waiting for, was and is supposed to be a man coming from the line of David. And we don't know if there is a person, who can claim that he is truly from David's line. Even DNA and other methods would not be of any help.

Truth be finally told, God can create anything that God wishes to. So, God created a man by the name Jesus, without any man touching his mother. That was no problem for God. No big deal!

End of the story.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157213 Jan 2, 2013
El Morales wrote:
the only sources I have found pre-dating Ishaq are the following:
Aban b.`Uthman al-Bajkali
(640-718 C.E.), son of the caliph who wrote a book on maghazi which has not survived, nor has it been cited by Ibn Ishaq or al-Waqidi.
`Urwa b. al-Zubayr b. al-Awwam
(643-712 C.E.) the cousin of the Prophet and referred to the founder of Islamic history. There is doubt that he authored anything, but there are many traditiions that have been handed down in his name.
Urwah wrote many books but, fearing they might become sources of authority alongside the Qur'an, destroyed them the day of the Battle of al-Harrah. He later he regretted that, saying "I would rather have them in my possession than my family and property twice over."
Therefore it seems clear that there is no trace of any written works before Ishaq
I beg to disagree. Please continue with your search.

Even the so-called books of Ibn Ishaq and Ibn Hisham have not survived. They do not exist.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157217 Jan 2, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Give it up. You are an embarassment.
I really enjoy your silly one-liners, when you are embarrassed and are totally unable to refute anything. I find that amusing and entertaining.

That reminds me of Thomas asking Jesus something like this: "Lord, we do not know the way, show us the way."

And instead of showing him the way, Jesus is reported to have offered the one-liner saying, "I am the way", but doesn't tell him that he has to die first in order to go back to God.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157219 Jan 2, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I really enjoy your silly one-liners, when you are embarrassed and are totally unable to refute anything. I find that amusing and entertaining.
That reminds me of Thomas asking Jesus something like this: "Lord, we do not know the way, show us the way."
And instead of showing him the way, Jesus is reported to have offered the one-liner saying, "I am the way", but doesn't tell him that he has to die first in order to go back to God.
I suppose that in your circle of friends, you are regarded as the most brilliant...
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#157220 Jan 2, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I disagree
...

The Talmud states that the writings of the prophets will not be necessary in the World to Come, because in that day, all people will be mentally, spiritually and ethically perfect, and all will have the gift of prophecy.
Well the Talmud has got that wrong, because the Last of Prophet has come and the world till its end shall need the sayings and actions of the last prophet.

But there are many things in your post with which I agree.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157221 Jan 2, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
<quoted text>
You are not only a liar, but a hypocrite as well.

You have proven that men of religion are guilty of all kinds of intellectual dishonesty and intellectual misdemeanor. Your problem is that you have no names, no authors, and no books. It's not that you dont want to give out the names, you do not have the bloody names. Not only that, you run down all material outside the Koran. That has been your habit all along, and now all of a sudden you are relying on pre-Ishaq biographies on Mohammad...is that not double standard hypocricy?
There could have been people who narrated anecdotes about Mohammad, however, they are not documented...at least not in a book form. Talk about research, I have read so many books on Islam that your head will spin.
That is a defeatist attitude and a defeatist answer.

You have already proved to me that you have not read 'sooooo many' books on Islam.

I do not have to rely on anything. The point is that all polemicists including your goodself are ignorant fools, who think that the history of Islam was written by three bloody fools only, namely the trinity of Ibn Asshaq-Hisham-Waqidi, who wrote their scraps and rubbish 130 plus years after the Prophet had passed away and think that there was no one else who wrote. That is idiotic.

All anti-Islam folks and polemicists only talk through that junk and stuff of the three stooges.

Sometime ago, you had told me that you have a copy of the book by Ibn Ishaq. Right? There is no copy of any book by Ibn Ishaq. It does not exist.

Anyway, my point still is that you need to do more search in order to find out the names of folks, who wrote before those three bloody fools and what they wrote is still preserved.

Your comments also tell me that you have not even read the entire book written by the William Muir, the crudest polemicist, who wrote on the prophet and Islam and never realized how utterly absurd were his own Bible and his own religion Christianity.

If you had read so well as you claim, you would have known that. I don't believe that you are that well-read.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#157222 Jan 2, 2013
Excerpts from the Gospel of Barnabas, Part-24

Chapter 48 : How the problem of Jesus being called Son of God or God started

At that time the army of the Romans was in Judea, our country being subject to them for the sins of our forefathers. Now it was the custom of the Romans to call god and to worship him that did any new thing of benefit to the common people. And so [some] of these soldiers finding themselves in Nain, they rebuked now one, now another, saying: "One of your gods has visited you, and you make no account of it. Assuredly if our gods should visit us we would give them all that we have. And you see how much we fear our gods, since to their images we give the best of all we have."

Satan did so instigate this manner of speaking that he aroused no small sedition among the people of Nain." But Jesus did not tarry in Nain, but turned to go into Capernaum. The discord of Nain was such that some said: "He is our God who has visited us"; others said: "God is invisible, so that none has seen him, not even Moses, his servant; therefore it is not God, but rather his son." Others said: "He is not God, nor son of God, for God has not a body to beget anything; but he is a great prophet of God." And so did Satan instigate that, in the third year of the prophetic ministry of Jesus, great ruin to our people was like to arise there from…

Note: This is the mistake into which Paul led to whole Christianity (MUQ).

Chapter 49 Do Not Judge
The scribe that day read the psalm of David, where says David: When I shall find a time, I will judge uprightly. Then, after the reading of the prophets, arose Jesus, and made sign of silence with his hands, and opening his mouth he spoke thus: "Brethren, you have heard the words spoken by David the prophet, our father, that when he should have found a time he would judge uprightly. I tell you in truth that many judge, in which judgment they fall for no other reason than because they judge that which is not meet for them, and that which is meet for them they judge before the time. Wherefore the God of our fathers cries to us by his prophet David, saying: Justly judge, O sons of men.

Miserable therefore are those who set themselves at street corners, and do nothing but judge all those who pass by, saying: "That one is fair, this one is ugly, that one is good, this one is bad." Woe to them, because they lift the sceptre of his judgment from the hand of God, who says: "I am witness and judge, and my honour I will give to none.'" Truly I tell you that these testify of that which they have not seen nor really heard, and judge without having been constituted judges. Therefore are they abominable on the earth before the eyes of God, who will pass tremendous judgment upon them in the last day.

Note: This is also confirmed by existing Gospels (MUQ)
Chapter 50 Do Not Judge

Tell me, O man, you that judge another man, do you not know that all men had their origin in the same clay? Do you not know that none is good save God alone? wherefore every man is a liar and a sinner.…

Oh, how many have perished through false judgment, and how many ha+ve been near to perishing! Pharaoh judged Moses and the people of Israel to be impious, Saul judged David to be worthy of death, Ahab judged Elijah, Nebuchadnezzar the three children who would not worship their lying gods. The two elders judged Susanna, and all the idolatrous princes judged the prophets. Oh, tremendous judgment of God! the judge perishes, the judged is saved. And wherefore this, O man, if not because [in] rashness they falsely judge the innocent?….

And then, Jesus having finished his speech, many forthwith were converted to repentance, bewailing their sins; and they would fain have forsaken all to go with him.

Note: This is also confirmed by Other Gospels (MUQ)
(Abridged)
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157226 Jan 2, 2013
MUQ wrote:
Well the Talmud has got that wrong, because the Last of Prophet has come and the world till its end shall need the sayings and actions of the last prophet.
But there are many things in your post with which I agree.
By "actions of the last prophet" do you mean that the world will need to murder any and all critics of your "Last of Prophet," especially the Jewish poet critics, since that's what ordered "by Allah?"
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157227 Jan 2, 2013
CORRECTION:

By "actions of the last prophet" do you mean that the world will need to murder any and all critics of your "Last of Prophet," especially the Jewish poet critics, since that's what HE ordered "by Allah?"
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157228 Jan 2, 2013
MUQ,

Do you believe that blasphemers of your "Last of Prophet" should be executed?
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157229 Jan 2, 2013
MUQ,

Do you believe that apostrates from Islam should be executed?
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157230 Jan 2, 2013
CORRECTION:

MUQ,

Do you believe that APOSTATES from Islam should be executed?
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157231 Jan 2, 2013
MUQ,

Do you believe that Muslim women (or any women, for that matter) should be allowed to drive cars?
OhPleez

Chantilly, VA

#157232 Jan 2, 2013
And you know Allah is male because...
jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#157233 Jan 2, 2013
GOSPEL OF BARNABAS:

Chapters 82-83 "Years of the Jubilee...every 100 years."

In the year A.D. 1300 Pope Boniface VIII instituted the Jubilee as a centenary (100 year) event. Previously it occurred every 50 years.

Pope Clement VI reversed Boniface's decision and celebrated the next Jubilee in 1350. This was the only time that the Year of Jubilee was intended as a centenary occasion.
jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#157234 Jan 2, 2013
GOSPEL OF BARNABAS:

Chapter 152 "Soldiers rolled out of the temple like casks of wood."

Wooden barrels were invented in Gaul (France) and were not used in the East in New Testament times. They used wineskins (Matthew 9:17).
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157235 Jan 2, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Well the Talmud has got that wrong, because the Last of Prophet has come and the world till its end shall need the sayings and actions of the last prophet.
But there are many things in your post with which I agree.
By needing the "sayings of the last prophet," do you mean that the world needs to follow his ORDERS?

"Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission." Qur'an:9:29

"Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war." Qur'an:9:5

"When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle, smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam." Qur'an:47:4

I mean, will you be glad when all of the "unbelieving infidels" of the world will have been murdered by your fellow Mohammadans?
jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#157236 Jan 2, 2013
FROM THE GOSPEL OF BARNABAS (CHAPTER 20):

'Jesus went to the sea of Galilee, and having embarked in a ship sailed to his city of Nazareth; whereupon there was a great tempest in the sea, insomuch that the ship was nigh unto sinking.'

NAZARETH WASW ABOUT 20KM AWAY FROM THE LAKE.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157237 Jan 2, 2013
One of the "actions of the last prophet" was to commit adultery with the wife of his adopted son, who conveniently divorced her when he noticed that Mohammad wanted her, badly.

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