Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 Full story: The Brussels Journal 207,174

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#157069 Jan 1, 2013
bmz wrote:
@ Alex
Another point
Jesus did not leave any scripture behind.
When he was presented to the Gentiles, the scripture was created and written by men, who did not even sit in the company of Jesus or his disciples.
Even the gospels do not know what all the disciples really did.
The poor ignorant gentiles who worship BJ have no cllue about Jesus or his disciples.
They refuse to educate themselves...
They continue to worship BJ after confining Jesus to a chair with gaffer tape thus preventing him from moving or speaking.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157070 Jan 1, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
awww...this fake gentile needs approval from a non-gentile who rejects his "mangod" as a liar and a false prophet!
lol...
Rock on bu(tteredbuttturdlick)ford...l ol
George the Phallus Phixated,

Do you know HEBREW?
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#157071 Jan 1, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Alex take your meds
Hey Frijoles...Happy New Year..(I have taken the meds just for you!lol)
Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#157072 Jan 1, 2013
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157073 Jan 1, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
lol...hey moron...ask me..I am the ex priest.
How did the conmen become "apostles"?
Tell us about them...Especially about Mr paul who never met Jesus!
Phallus Phace,

Why did you become a sworn-to-celibacy priest?
Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#157074 Jan 1, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
That is another lie, Buford.
Those, who followed Jesus, were not the mainstream Jews but from sects far removed.
.
The early Christians were in fact Jews. There was already a split in Jewish society around that time between the Saduccees and the Pharisees, and the sect that followed Jesus was in fact that, a sect, not a different religion. That came afterwords, a few centuries afterwords.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157075 Jan 1, 2013
bmz wrote:
Pentecost in my view, is a hoax, which was generated by the braindead!
Of course that's your view, as thoughtless and uncomprehending as ever, you BRAINDEAD MUSLIM ZEALOT.
Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#157076 Jan 1, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Frijoles...Happy New Year..(I have taken the meds just for you!lol)
F-off

from a nongentile -

(smiles)
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157077 Jan 1, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
Thanks!

From the first link:

There are several Jewish perspectives on this psalm, all of which agree that King David composed it and is the “voice” throughout, and that it is historical, not messianic. However, they differ on the particulars. The view that is the most consistent with the plain reading of this psalm holds that it is David’s own personal story, in which he describes his own pain, anguish, and longing during those times when he was a fugitive from his enemies, believing that, at times, God had not heeded his pleas for intervention. He pleads with God to come to his aid since his persecutors are relentlessly pursuing him in their zeal to dispossess him of his kingdom and mantle of royalty.
__________
Hmm, being dispossessed of the "mantle of royalty" is expressed as "casting lots" for his vesture?

I'd also found the sencond linked site. Excerpt:

"Unfortunately, I've found it nearly impossible to find commentary on Psalm 22 that doesn't very quickly turn into a debate over this line (JPS):

17 For dogs have encompassed me; a company of evil-doers have inclosed me; like a lion, they are at my hands and my feet.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#157078 Jan 1, 2013
Buford wrote:
Hi Frijoles,
I hate to put you on the spot, but the Singaporean and supposed Hebrew scholar is making assertions, yet again, this time about what Psalm 22:19 REALLY means, to wit:
"They part my garments among them, and for my vesture do they cast lots."
The author of John's Gospel references this passage with regard to the disposition of the clothes that Jesus was wearing when he was led out to be crucified.
I should add that whether or not one even agrees that the event occurred, the question here concerns what ACTUAL and not PRETEND Hebrew scholars have to say about the meaning of this passage from Pslam 22.
Hey village idiot...
Why do you come up with utter rubbish...?
"John(s)" could have written a million things to "confirm" the meaningless contents of badly translated & badly written Jewish books nearly 200 years after the disappearance of the man.

Nobody saw this besides some liars who were making up stories to confirm "prophecy"..!

Now that is the same as drawing a bullseye around any arrow after it has landed somewhere...anywhere!

Load of bull...just like the donkey ride that is supposed to be "triumpal" entry into jerusalem!!Do you realise that he was being jeered?
ofcourse not..because you are a wood-buttboy...

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157079 Jan 1, 2013
Buford wrote:
Hi Frijoles,
I hate to put you on the spot, but the Singaporean and supposed Hebrew scholar is making assertions, yet again, this time about what Psalm 22:19 REALLY means, to wit:

"They part my garments among them, and for my vesture do they cast lots."

The author of John's Gospel references this passage with regard to the disposition of the clothes that Jesus was wearing when he was led out to be crucified.

I should add that whether or not one even agrees that the event occurred, the question here concerns what ACTUAL and not PRETEND Hebrew scholars have to say about the meaning of this passage from Pslam 22.
I have never claimed to be a Hebrew scholar.

The author of John ridiculously had his clothes, whatever he was wearing, taken by the Roman soldiers to get the so-called Psalm "prophesy" fulfilled. There is no prophesy at all.

In Psalms 22, David was lamenting! He was asking for the LORD's help. Jesus was not at all attacked by bulls, dogs and lions of Bashan. They were never at his throat and he was not under any threat. His bones were not disjointed, had no offspring and was not buried among the wicked.

Jesus himself never self-loathed! It was John, who self-loathed.

And why would the unbelieving Romans talk about a prophesy and fulfill the scripture for Jesus?

"They part my garments among them, and for my vesture do they cast lots.", simply means "They loot my wealth and property and divide amongst themselves".

When the Romans occupied, they did not force the Jews to take their clothes off and did not share their garments by balloting or lottery.

Why do you find it so hard to understand? Tell me what did they do with a man's torn and tattered clothes?
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#157080 Jan 1, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>George the Phallus Phixated,
Do you know HEBREW?
hello buttboy...seems you have moved from "back" to "front"...lol..
Do you stop to ask for expert opinion on Arabic?
You are a clueless bigoted buttlicker....
You are a failure...thats what you are..
Hebrew.. Arabic and Aramaic....I can safely say I know a "bit" more than you.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#157081 Jan 1, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks!
From the first link:
There are several Jewish perspectives on this psalm, all of which agree that King David composed it and is the “voice” throughout, and that it is historical, not messianic. However, they differ on the particulars. The view that is the most consistent with the plain reading of this psalm holds that it is David’s own personal story, in which he describes his own pain, anguish, and longing during those times when he was a fugitive from his enemies, believing that, at times, God had not heeded his pleas for intervention. He pleads with God to come to his aid since his persecutors are relentlessly pursuing him in their zeal to dispossess him of his kingdom and mantle of royalty.
__________
Hmm, being dispossessed of the "mantle of royalty" is expressed as "casting lots" for his vesture?
I'd also found the sencond linked site. Excerpt:
"Unfortunately, I've found it nearly impossible to find commentary on Psalm 22 that doesn't very quickly turn into a debate over this line (JPS):
17 For dogs have encompassed me; a company of evil-doers have inclosed me; like a lion, they are at my hands and my feet.
get real buttboy....the non gentiles CANNOT agree with you just because youi like licking their butts!
Despite all their shortcoming...they worship One God.
They don't worship your "god".
Get real....and psalmxx has nothing to do with your pagan gentile claims.
time to stop butts...now that doesn't mean you get to the "forn" licking...

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157082 Jan 1, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
The early Christians were in fact Jews. There was already a split in Jewish society around that time between the Saduccees and the Pharisees, and the sect that followed Jesus was in fact that, a sect, not a different religion. That came afterwords, a few centuries afterwords.
I can accept that. However, I do see him getting early followers from sects.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#157083 Jan 1, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I have never claimed to be a Hebrew scholar.
The author of John ridiculously had his clothes, whatever he was wearing, taken by the Roman soldiers to get the so-called Psalm "prophesy" fulfilled. There is no prophesy at all.
In Psalms 22, David was lamenting! He was asking for the LORD's help. Jesus was not at all attacked by bulls, dogs and lions of Bashan. They were never at his throat and he was not under any threat. His bones were not disjointed, had no offspring and was not buried among the wicked.
Jesus himself never self-loathed! It was John, who self-loathed.
And why would the unbelieving Romans talk about a prophesy and fulfill the scripture for Jesus?
"They part my garments among them, and for my vesture do they cast lots.", simply means "They loot my wealth and property and divide amongst themselves".
When the Romans occupied, they did not force the Jews to take their clothes off and did not share their garments by balloting or lottery.
Why do you find it so hard to understand? Tell me what did they do with a man's torn and tattered clothes?
It is comical when bu(utteredbuttturdlick)ford makes spurious claims...
Surely the prophecy worked on almost all chaps who were hanged/"crucified".. .as they were often stripped naked..
so any one of them could have been fulfilling the meaningless prophecy!
What's new....let's make them all gods..lol
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157084 Jan 1, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
F-off
from a nongentile -
(smiles)
I don't think that Phallus Phace likes Jews at all, and your (smiles) makes me wonder what ever happened to our Man in Mumbai.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157085 Jan 1, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
get real buttboy....the non gentiles CANNOT agree with you just because youi like licking their butts!
Despite all their shortcoming...they worship One God.
They don't worship your "god".
Get real....and psalmxx has nothing to do with your pagan gentile claims.
time to stop butts...now that doesn't mean you get to the "forn" licking...
George,

Take your meds.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#157086 Jan 1, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
F-off
from a nongentile -
(smiles)
Bless you non-gentile and my God is not tribal racist bigoted sexist anti-gentile slave god who is only concerned with a stolen piece of land off the palestinians...(smiles).
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157087 Jan 1, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
Surely the prophecy worked on almost all chaps who were hanged/"crucified".. .as they were often stripped naked..
Your boy bmz knows for a FACT that Jesus was not stripped naked.

BTW, you haven't addressed the point that your "prophet" flat out DENIED that Jesus was crucified AT ALL, whether "TIED or nailed to the cross," but then, you've always been more about tearing Christianity to shreds, being the sorry excuse of an ex-priest, ex-Christian that you are, than defending the reputation and "good name" of your "Allah" approved murderer, thief, rape enabler, and enslaver.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#157088 Jan 1, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>George,
Take your meds.
Not for the lat time buttboy..."woodglue" is not "meds"!!

Get real buttboy....the non gentiles will NEVER agree with you just because you like licking their butts!

Despite all their shortcoming...they worship One God.
They don't worship your three piece "mangod".

Get real....the psalmxxx has nothing to do with your pagan gentile claims.
time to stop licking butts...That does NOT give you permission to get to the "front" licking...

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