Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Brussels Journal

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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see the lost Aramaic gospel in Hebrew script "which is called by many the Matthaei authenticum" (Jerome)

if that was the authentic Matthew, then the one we have today must be the fake Matthew lol
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<quoted text>Braindead Muslim Zealot,

"Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took His garments and made four parts, to each soldier a part, and also the tunic. Now the tunic was WITHOUT SEAM, woven from the top in one piece.

They said therefore among themselves, "Let us not tear it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be," that the Scripture might be fulfilled which says: "They divided My garments among them, and for My clothing they cast lots."

"Therefore the soldiers did these things." (John 19:23-24)
This not only gets absurd but it gets more hilarious and un believable.

Let me show you. "They said therefore among themselves," refers to the Roman soldiers. Right?

Of course , right! Now you cannot deny this fact, which you presented.

What scripture were the Romans getting fulfilled? They had no scripture and they had nothing to get fulfilled. See how absurd that report is?

Were those Roman soldiers Jews?
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Psalm 22:18 They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing.
This dividing of garments and casting lots for clothes is taken by Christendom literally and that is foolish.

"To divide somebody's garments among others", simply meant that the invaders, who won, looted and shared the property and wealth of the vanquished, which is known as booty or spoils of war.

No one made David naked by taking his clothes away.

The so-called scripture, in our view, was not fulfilled at all, because the Romans had still not taken his underwear or briefs.
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"Absolutely hilarious!" ~Braindead Muslim Zealot, Who Knows What Constitutes Absolute Hilarity
This, which you wrote and quoted, causes the Absolute Hilarity:

""Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took His garments and made four parts, to each soldier a part, and also the tunic. Now the tunic was WITHOUT SEAM, woven from the top in one piece. They said therefore among themselves, "Let us not tear it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be," that the Scripture might be fulfilled which says:

"They divided My garments among them, and for My clothing they cast lots."

"Therefore the soldiers did these things." "

Isn't it hilarious to see the Romans fulfilling the Scripture of Jews?

Or would you like to change it to the Kewish soldiers?
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Correction, Buford

The last line should read:

Or would you like to change it to the Jewish soldiers?

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You read it and commentated on it!! Who is freak now? you or me?
ABSOLUTELY YOU..........The more words doesn't work here freak. More words doesn't make it truth freak. You are an imbecile freakshow with nothing but worthless words......... You are uneducated because it takes you 30 times the words to get things out. You are a freak of nature......all of us recipients agree. Just die.....please die.
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Your problem is that you have gotten yourself in a quagmire, and don't know how to get out of it. And then you are lying by saying that you have history on Mo prior to Ben Issac - bulls&hit!! You have nothing. You have no names, no books, nothing. If were any, people would be writing and referring to it. Unfortunately for you, Ishaq is the earliest existing source information. Whether his narratives are true or not we dont know.

Why do you believe earlier sources and not Ishaq? All these years, you have been rejecting any material outside the Koran. I have asked you numerous times to name books and authors, and now you came up with some stupid link. Sigmud Frued is right about people like you. Men of religion are guilty of intellectual dishonesty and intellecutal misdemeanor - you sir happens to be one of them.

Happy New Year,
Mahmood.
No, not at all.

That is not my problem. It is your problem and the problem of those ignorant fools, who tell the world that there is no history on the Prophet, prior to that written by the idiot Ibn Ishaq.

You are on record for asserting that silly notion and keep on repeating that the history came only from an idiot who completed his work 130 years after the Prophet had passed away. Ibn Ishaq was a story-teller, not a scholar of Islam.

And you asked me a very silly question: "Why do you believe earlier sources and not Ishaq?"

How can I believe that fool, who just wrote unsubstantiated stories about creation, the battles, plagiarized Christian biblical stories to create his own stories, and quotes Ali, Hasan and others but not Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman, etc.? Was he an early Shia?

His Seerah is not comprised of a single story based on facts which are verifiable through documents. Even your beloved scholar Patricia Crone completely rejects the Seerah as a
source for historical information for this reason. Even Robert Spencer considers his extremely work hagiographical like Christians.

Now, have you found the names of other writers who were there long before him? Why don't you believe in other sources, who wrote before him?
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It seems that my excerpts from Gospel of Barnabas, is causing pains in the insides of our friend Bufford!!
He is feeling pains inside his stomach and cannot digest his food unless he repeats (on this thread) at least ten times that GOB is a forgery!!
Now I know how those unbelievers would have felt when prophets of God were delivering to them the message of truth coming from God Almighty.
You can see his inner pain from every word he writes on this subject!!
MUQtard,

The problem is that you honestly do believe that the medieval Muslim forgery known as the "Gospel of Barnabas" is the truth, and why? Because it agrees with what that bloody fool of a "prophet" of yours cooked up more than six centuries after the events in question.

So, you go right ahead and continue posting line after line of "Barnabas," along with your running commentary, and I'll continue to point out that you are an idiot for believing something that is patently absurd and even blasphemous.

Case in point:(from http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Chal... ) "The Gospel of Barnabas teaches that when Judas arrived with soldiers to arrest Jesus, God sent four angels to take Jesus out of the world into the third heaven while Judas "was so changed in speech and in face to be like Jesus" that Barnabas and the other disciples believed him to actually be Jesus (Gospel of Barnabas, para 216). Judas was duly crucified in his place."

No doubt this is why your Dr. Elsiaeiou believes in the Judas switcheroo, something that you hailed as "another miracle," even though it PROVES, if true, that "Allah" is a deceiver, not just of the disciples and Mary, but of the entire world.
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This dividing of garments and casting lots for clothes is taken by Christendom literally and that is foolish.
"To divide somebody's garments among others", simply meant that the invaders, who won, looted and shared the property and wealth of the vanquished, which is known as booty or spoils of war.
No one made David naked by taking his clothes away.
The so-called scripture, in our view, was not fulfilled at all, because the Romans had still not taken his underwear or briefs.
Braindead Muslim Zealot,

There you go again, PRESUMING something to be true about Jesus' "underwear or briefs" that you do not honestly know to be true. This is why I wrote earlier that you are so dishonest that you don't even know when you are lying.
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P.S. The reason why "Barnabas" could create the Judas switcheroo scenario is because the infallible "prophet" of Islam made it possible!

http://quran.com/4/157

Sahih International
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.
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Before "Barnabas the Muslim" settled the question, once and for all, about the one who "was made to resemble him to them," namely, Judas, Muslim scholars must have been "in (SERIOUS) doubt about it," having "no knowledge of it except the following of assumption."
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http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Chal...

The Messiah – Jesus or Muhammad?

John the Baptist denied that he was the Messiah when challenged by the Jewish leaders (John 1:20). The Gospel of Barnabas makes Jesus deny the same thing in much the same words:

Jesus confessed and said the truth:‘I am not the Messiah ... I am indeed sent to the house of Israel as a prophet of salvation; but after me shall come the Messiah’. Gospel of Barnabas, paras 42, 82

Who was to be the coming Messiah, then? Elsewhere the Gospel makes Jesus say "The name of the Messiah is Admirable ... God said: Wait Mohammed; for thy sake I will to create paradise ... Mohammed is his blessed name" (para 97). Here the author of the Gospel of Barnabas completely overreaches himself for the Qur’an clearly states, no less than eleven times, that Jesus alone is the Messiah. The Bible confirms this too on many occasions (John 4:26, Matthew 16:20) and one quotation from the Qur’an will be sufficient to prove the point:

O Mary! Lo! Allah gives you glad tidings of a Word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the hereafter. Surah 3:45

The title here is Al-Masih, "the Messiah", and Jesus himself is called Al-Masihu Isa, "the Messiah Jesus", elsewhere in the book (Surah 4:171). So the Gospel of Barnabas incontrovertibly contradicts the Qur’an when it declares that Muhammad was to be the Messiah. No Muslim can be true to his own holy book while at the same time trying to defend the Gospel of Barnabas as an authentic Gospel.
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So, the Gospel of Barnabas does NOT agree entirely with what the "prophet" of Islam cooked up.

I stand corrected.
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<quoted text>Braindead Muslim Zealot,
There you go again, PRESUMING something to be true about Jesus' "underwear or briefs" that you do not honestly know to be true. This is why I wrote earlier that you are so dishonest that you don't even know when you are lying.
Forget his underwear or brief. I was just trying to educate you, Buford.

Now read this, please:

This dividing of garments and casting lots for clothes is taken by Christendom literally and that is foolish.

"To divide somebody's garments among others" in Hebrew, simply meant that the invaders, who won, looted and shared the property and wealth of the vanquished, which is known as booty or spoils of war.

The term 'divided my garments' meant looting of property and wealth.

It was not a prophesy that had to be fulfilled by the Roman soldiers. Nobody took David's clothes away.
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http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...

Psalm 22[a]

For the director of music. To the tune of “The Doe of the Morning.” A psalm of David.

1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from my cries of anguish?
2 My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
by night, but I find no rest.[b]

3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
you are the one Israel praises.[c]
4 In you our ancestors put their trust;
they trusted and you delivered them.
5 To you they cried out and were saved;
in you they trusted and were not put to shame.

6 But I am a worm and not a man,
scorned by everyone, despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads.
8 “He trusts in the Lord,” they say,
“let the Lord rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
since he delights in him.”

9 Yet you brought me out of the womb;
you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.
10 From birth I was cast on you;
from my mother’s womb you have been my God.

11 Do not be far from me,
for trouble is near
and there is no one to help.

12 Many bulls surround me;
strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
13 Roaring lions that tear their prey
open their mouths wide against me.
14 I am poured out like water,
and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
it has melted within me.
15 My mouth[d] is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
you lay me in the dust of death.

16 Dogs surround me,
a pack of villains encircles me;
they pierce[e] my hands and my feet.
17 All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my clothes among them
and cast lots for my garment.

19 But you, Lord, do not be far from me.
You are my strength; come quickly to help me.
20 Deliver me from the sword,
my precious life from the power of the dogs.
21 Rescue me from the mouth of the lions;
save me from the horns of the wild oxen.

22 I will declare your name to my people;
in the assembly I will praise you.
23 You who fear the Lord, praise him!
All you descendants of Jacob, honor him!
Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!
24 For he has not despised or scorned
the suffering of the afflicted one;
he has not hidden his face from him
but has listened to his cry for help.

25 From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly;
before those who fear you[f] I will fulfill my vows.
26 The poor will eat and be satisfied;
those who seek the Lord will praise him—
may your hearts live forever!

27 All the ends of the earth
will remember and turn to the Lord,
and all the families of the nations
will bow down before him,
28 for dominion belongs to the Lord
and he rules over the nations.

29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship;
all who go down to the dust will kneel before him—
those who cannot keep themselves alive.
30 Posterity will serve him;
future generations will be told about the Lord.
31 They will proclaim his righteousness,
declaring to a people yet unborn:
He has done it!

Footnotes:a.Psalm 22:1 In Hebrew texts 22:1-31 is numbered 22:2-32.
b.Psalm 22:2 Or night, and am not silent
c.Psalm 22:3 Or Yet you are holy,/ enthroned on the praises of Israel
d.Psalm 22:15 Probable reading of the original Hebrew text; Masoretic Text strength
e.Psalm 22:16 Dead Sea Scrolls and some manuscripts of the Masoretic Text, Septuagint and Syriac; most manuscripts of the Masoretic Text me,/ like a lion
f.Psalm 22:25 Hebrew him
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Forget his underwear or brief. I was just trying to educate you, Buford.
Now read this, please:
This dividing of garments and casting lots for clothes is taken by Christendom literally and that is foolish.
"To divide somebody's garments among others" in Hebrew, simply meant that the invaders, who won, looted and shared the property and wealth of the vanquished, which is known as booty or spoils of war.
The term 'divided my garments' meant looting of property and wealth.
It was not a prophesy that had to be fulfilled by the Roman soldiers. Nobody took David's clothes away.
Braindead Muslim Zealot,

You would educate me? You are the very definition of clueless.
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Allah? Allah a Janitor at the Funeral Home,ive met
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http://www.biblegateway.com/pa ssage/?search=Psalm+22&ver sion=NIV
Psalm 22[a]
For the director of music. To the tune of “The Doe of the Morning.” A psalm of David.
1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from my cries of anguish?
2 My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
by night, but I find no rest.[b]
3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
you are the one Israel praises.[c]
4 In you our ancestors put their trust;
they trusted and you delivered them.
5 To you they cried out and were saved;
in you they trusted and were not put to shame.
6 But I am a worm and not a man,
scorned by everyone, despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads.
8 “He trusts in the Lord,” they say,
“let the Lord rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
since he delights in him.”
9 Yet you brought me out of the womb;
you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.
10 From birth I was cast on you;
from my mother’s womb you have been my God.
11 Do not be far from me,
for trouble is near
and there is no one to help.
12 Many bulls surround me;
strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
13 Roaring lions that tear their prey
open their mouths wide against me.
14 I am poured out like water,
and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
it has melted within me.
15 My mouth[d] is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
you lay me in the dust of death.
16 Dogs surround me,
a pack of villains encircles me;
they pierce[e] my hands and my feet.
17 All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my clothes among them
and cast lots for my garment.
19 But you, Lord, do not be far from me.
You are my strength; come quickly to help me.
20 Deliver me from the sword,
my precious life from the power of the dogs.
21 Rescue me from the mouth of the lions;
save me from the horns of the wild oxen.
22 I will declare your name to my people;
in the assembly I will praise you.
23 You who fear the Lord, praise him!
All you descendants of Jacob, honor him!
Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!
24 For he has not despised or scorned
the suffering of the afflicted one;
he has not hidden his face from him
but has listened to his cry for help.
25 From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly;
before those who fear you[f] I will fulfill my vows.
26 The poor will eat and be satisfied;
those who seek the Lord will praise him—
may your hearts live forever!
27 All the ends of the earth
will remember and turn to the Lord,
and all the families of the nations
will bow down before him,
28 for dominion belongs to the Lord
and he rules over the nations.
29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship;
all who go down to the dust will kneel before him—
those who cannot keep themselves alive.
30 Posterity will serve him;
future generations will be told about the Lord.
31 They will proclaim his righteousness,
declaring to a people yet unborn:
He has done it!
Footnotes:a.Psalm 22:1 In Hebrew texts 22:1-31 is numbered 22:2-32.
b.Psalm 22:2 Or night, and am not silent
c.Psalm 22:3 Or Yet you are holy,/ enthroned on the praises of Israel
d.Psalm 22:15 Probable reading of the original Hebrew text; Masoretic Text strength
e.Psalm 22:16 Dead Sea Scrolls and some manuscripts of the Masoretic Text, Septuagint and Syriac; most manuscripts of the Masoretic Text me,/ like a lion
f.Psalm 22:25 Hebrew him
What a criminal waste of the precious bandwidth! There was no need to copy and paste the entire Psalm.

After the bulls, dogs and lions of Bashan had divided David's clothes and cast lots for his garments, David was left naked and wandered in the desert and went to Florence, Italy.

I think the sculptor made the most famous statue of David, after he had read Psalms 22. lol!
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You would educate me? You are the very definition of clueless.
Of course, I was educating you? All can see that. That is why I offered the following explanation:

"This dividing of garments and casting lots for clothes is taken by Christendom literally and that is foolish.

"To divide somebody's garments among others" in Hebrew, simply meant that the invaders, who won, looted and shared the property and wealth of the vanquished, which is known as booty or spoils of war.

The term 'divided my garments' meant looting of property and wealth."
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You did not go thru my Introduction before I started quoting from GOB.
This is the problem with you people, you are so much engrossed in your own thoughts that you NEVER listen to the arguments from other side.
Strictly speaking GOB is "as unreliable" as any of the Authentic Gospel!!
So when we quote from the Authentic Gospels, what is wrong if we quote from GOB?
By Quoting from GOB, we want to tell the Christians that they should search for truth from outside their Canonic Gospels.
PS:
For your information, I would re-post the introduction to GOB.
May be this time you will read it with patience (Though I have my own doubts). because you are neither Christian, Nor Muslims, you pose as if you consider these four Gospels as Word of God and take Jesus as your prophet and Lord and Savior.
Spamboy,

I DID read your disclaimer at the start of your "Barnabas the Muslim" spamfest, so there's no need to post it again, but I'll tell you this; STRICTLY SPEAKING, your own "prophet" clearly had more faith in the reliability of the "Authentic Gospels" than you do.

Here's proof:

Quran 5:46 After them we sent forth Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the Torah already revealed, and gave him the Gospel, in which there is guidance and light, corroborating what as revealed before it in the torah, a guide and admonition to the righteous.

47. Therefore let those who follow the Gospel judge according to what God has revealed therein. Evil-doers are those that do not judge according to God's revelations.

Qur'an 29:46 And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better (then mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury); But say, "We believe in the Revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our God and your God is One...

Qur'an 3:3 He has revealed to you the Book with the Truth, confirming the scriptures which preceded it; for He has already revealed the Torah and the Gospel for the guidance of mankind, and the distinction of right and wrong.

Qur'an 5:66 If they observe the Torah and the Gospel and what is revealed to them from their Lord, they shall enjoy abundance from above and from beneath.

You suppose wrongly that Christians don't look for truth outside of their own "Canonic Gospels," as though the Church didn't weigh hundreds if not thousands of manuscripts in its early centuries before settling on what it determined to be true and worthy of inclusion in the Canon. Your medieval forgery known as the "Gospel of Barnabas" is a mockery of that effort, quite frankly; it could only have been written by a calculating liar and taqiyya practioner who depended on the ignorance, willful or otherwise, of his readers. In short, he was a Mohammadan.

As for my own faith stance, I was raised as a Christian, and still prefer Jesus to Mohammad. Why? Because unlike your thin-skinned "prophet," Jesus didn't order the murders of his critics. Nor did he condone highway robbery or the rape of captive women, behaviors that you excuse because "Allah" ordered them! Instead, Jesus prayed for his enemies and murderers in the "Authentic Gospels," based on what his "Father" had commanded of him.

"Braindead's" argument is that Jesus would have been as ruthless as your "prophet" if only he'd had more support from his wretched disciples. What's your excuse?
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What a criminal waste of the precious bandwidth! There was no need to copy and paste the entire Psalm.
After the bulls, dogs and lions of Bashan had divided David's clothes and cast lots for his garments, David was left naked and wandered in the desert and went to Florence, Italy.
I think the sculptor made the most famous statue of David, after he had read Psalms 22. lol!
Braindead Muslim Zealot,

I expected this sort of mockingly stupid reply from you.
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Braindead Muslim Zealot,

I expected this sort of mockingly stupid reply from you.
Braindead were those, who showed four Roman soldiers dividing Jesus' clothes and his tunic and completely braindead are those, who seriously believe that "Dividing garments and casting lots" means taking somebody's clothes and leaving him naked.

Braindead were also those, who do not know and do not wish to mention that Jesus' bones and joints were not dislocated.

Braindead are also those, who do not know that Jesus had no children, when the quote Psalms 22.

Braindead are also those, who do not know that he was not buried in the graveyard, with the wicked.

Yet the braindead quote Psalms foolishly!!!

You must learn to appreciate the sarcasm in my posts.

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