Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 228295 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Brussels Journal.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157027 Dec 31, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Braindead Muslim Zealot,
There you go again, PRESUMING something to be true about Jesus' "underwear or briefs" that you do not honestly know to be true. This is why I wrote earlier that you are so dishonest that you don't even know when you are lying.
Forget his underwear or brief. I was just trying to educate you, Buford.

Now read this, please:

This dividing of garments and casting lots for clothes is taken by Christendom literally and that is foolish.

"To divide somebody's garments among others" in Hebrew, simply meant that the invaders, who won, looted and shared the property and wealth of the vanquished, which is known as booty or spoils of war.

The term 'divided my garments' meant looting of property and wealth.

It was not a prophesy that had to be fulfilled by the Roman soldiers. Nobody took David's clothes away.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157028 Dec 31, 2012
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...

Psalm 22[a]

For the director of music. To the tune of “The Doe of the Morning.” A psalm of David.

1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from my cries of anguish?
2 My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
by night, but I find no rest.[b]

3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
you are the one Israel praises.[c]
4 In you our ancestors put their trust;
they trusted and you delivered them.
5 To you they cried out and were saved;
in you they trusted and were not put to shame.

6 But I am a worm and not a man,
scorned by everyone, despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads.
8 “He trusts in the Lord,” they say,
“let the Lord rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
since he delights in him.”

9 Yet you brought me out of the womb;
you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.
10 From birth I was cast on you;
from my mother’s womb you have been my God.

11 Do not be far from me,
for trouble is near
and there is no one to help.

12 Many bulls surround me;
strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
13 Roaring lions that tear their prey
open their mouths wide against me.
14 I am poured out like water,
and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
it has melted within me.
15 My mouth[d] is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
you lay me in the dust of death.

16 Dogs surround me,
a pack of villains encircles me;
they pierce[e] my hands and my feet.
17 All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my clothes among them
and cast lots for my garment.

19 But you, Lord, do not be far from me.
You are my strength; come quickly to help me.
20 Deliver me from the sword,
my precious life from the power of the dogs.
21 Rescue me from the mouth of the lions;
save me from the horns of the wild oxen.

22 I will declare your name to my people;
in the assembly I will praise you.
23 You who fear the Lord, praise him!
All you descendants of Jacob, honor him!
Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!
24 For he has not despised or scorned
the suffering of the afflicted one;
he has not hidden his face from him
but has listened to his cry for help.

25 From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly;
before those who fear you[f] I will fulfill my vows.
26 The poor will eat and be satisfied;
those who seek the Lord will praise him—
may your hearts live forever!

27 All the ends of the earth
will remember and turn to the Lord,
and all the families of the nations
will bow down before him,
28 for dominion belongs to the Lord
and he rules over the nations.

29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship;
all who go down to the dust will kneel before him—
those who cannot keep themselves alive.
30 Posterity will serve him;
future generations will be told about the Lord.
31 They will proclaim his righteousness,
declaring to a people yet unborn:
He has done it!

Footnotes:a.Psalm 22:1 In Hebrew texts 22:1-31 is numbered 22:2-32.
b.Psalm 22:2 Or night, and am not silent
c.Psalm 22:3 Or Yet you are holy,/ enthroned on the praises of Israel
d.Psalm 22:15 Probable reading of the original Hebrew text; Masoretic Text strength
e.Psalm 22:16 Dead Sea Scrolls and some manuscripts of the Masoretic Text, Septuagint and Syriac; most manuscripts of the Masoretic Text me,/ like a lion
f.Psalm 22:25 Hebrew him
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157029 Dec 31, 2012
bmz wrote:
Forget his underwear or brief. I was just trying to educate you, Buford.
Now read this, please:
This dividing of garments and casting lots for clothes is taken by Christendom literally and that is foolish.
"To divide somebody's garments among others" in Hebrew, simply meant that the invaders, who won, looted and shared the property and wealth of the vanquished, which is known as booty or spoils of war.
The term 'divided my garments' meant looting of property and wealth.
It was not a prophesy that had to be fulfilled by the Roman soldiers. Nobody took David's clothes away.
Braindead Muslim Zealot,

You would educate me? You are the very definition of clueless.
swxxxt

Rochester, PA

#157035 Jan 1, 2013
youtube.com/watch...
Allah? Allah a Janitor at the Funeral Home,ive met
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157036 Jan 1, 2013
Buford wrote:
http://www.biblegateway.com/pa ssage/?search=Psalm+22&ver sion=NIV
Psalm 22[a]
For the director of music. To the tune of “The Doe of the Morning.” A psalm of David.
1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from my cries of anguish?
2 My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
by night, but I find no rest.[b]
3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
you are the one Israel praises.[c]
4 In you our ancestors put their trust;
they trusted and you delivered them.
5 To you they cried out and were saved;
in you they trusted and were not put to shame.
6 But I am a worm and not a man,
scorned by everyone, despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads.
8 “He trusts in the Lord,” they say,
“let the Lord rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
since he delights in him.”
9 Yet you brought me out of the womb;
you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.
10 From birth I was cast on you;
from my mother’s womb you have been my God.
11 Do not be far from me,
for trouble is near
and there is no one to help.
12 Many bulls surround me;
strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
13 Roaring lions that tear their prey
open their mouths wide against me.
14 I am poured out like water,
and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
it has melted within me.
15 My mouth[d] is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
you lay me in the dust of death.
16 Dogs surround me,
a pack of villains encircles me;
they pierce[e] my hands and my feet.
17 All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my clothes among them
and cast lots for my garment.
19 But you, Lord, do not be far from me.
You are my strength; come quickly to help me.
20 Deliver me from the sword,
my precious life from the power of the dogs.
21 Rescue me from the mouth of the lions;
save me from the horns of the wild oxen.
22 I will declare your name to my people;
in the assembly I will praise you.
23 You who fear the Lord, praise him!
All you descendants of Jacob, honor him!
Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!
24 For he has not despised or scorned
the suffering of the afflicted one;
he has not hidden his face from him
but has listened to his cry for help.
25 From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly;
before those who fear you[f] I will fulfill my vows.
26 The poor will eat and be satisfied;
those who seek the Lord will praise him—
may your hearts live forever!
27 All the ends of the earth
will remember and turn to the Lord,
and all the families of the nations
will bow down before him,
28 for dominion belongs to the Lord
and he rules over the nations.
29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship;
all who go down to the dust will kneel before him—
those who cannot keep themselves alive.
30 Posterity will serve him;
future generations will be told about the Lord.
31 They will proclaim his righteousness,
declaring to a people yet unborn:
He has done it!
Footnotes:a.Psalm 22:1 In Hebrew texts 22:1-31 is numbered 22:2-32.
b.Psalm 22:2 Or night, and am not silent
c.Psalm 22:3 Or Yet you are holy,/ enthroned on the praises of Israel
d.Psalm 22:15 Probable reading of the original Hebrew text; Masoretic Text strength
e.Psalm 22:16 Dead Sea Scrolls and some manuscripts of the Masoretic Text, Septuagint and Syriac; most manuscripts of the Masoretic Text me,/ like a lion
f.Psalm 22:25 Hebrew him
What a criminal waste of the precious bandwidth! There was no need to copy and paste the entire Psalm.

After the bulls, dogs and lions of Bashan had divided David's clothes and cast lots for his garments, David was left naked and wandered in the desert and went to Florence, Italy.

I think the sculptor made the most famous statue of David, after he had read Psalms 22. lol!
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157037 Jan 1, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Braindead Muslim Zealot,

You would educate me? You are the very definition of clueless.
Of course, I was educating you? All can see that. That is why I offered the following explanation:

"This dividing of garments and casting lots for clothes is taken by Christendom literally and that is foolish.

"To divide somebody's garments among others" in Hebrew, simply meant that the invaders, who won, looted and shared the property and wealth of the vanquished, which is known as booty or spoils of war.

The term 'divided my garments' meant looting of property and wealth."
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157038 Jan 1, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
You did not go thru my Introduction before I started quoting from GOB.
This is the problem with you people, you are so much engrossed in your own thoughts that you NEVER listen to the arguments from other side.
Strictly speaking GOB is "as unreliable" as any of the Authentic Gospel!!
So when we quote from the Authentic Gospels, what is wrong if we quote from GOB?
By Quoting from GOB, we want to tell the Christians that they should search for truth from outside their Canonic Gospels.
PS:
For your information, I would re-post the introduction to GOB.
May be this time you will read it with patience (Though I have my own doubts). because you are neither Christian, Nor Muslims, you pose as if you consider these four Gospels as Word of God and take Jesus as your prophet and Lord and Savior.
Spamboy,

I DID read your disclaimer at the start of your "Barnabas the Muslim" spamfest, so there's no need to post it again, but I'll tell you this; STRICTLY SPEAKING, your own "prophet" clearly had more faith in the reliability of the "Authentic Gospels" than you do.

Here's proof:

Quran 5:46 After them we sent forth Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the Torah already revealed, and gave him the Gospel, in which there is guidance and light, corroborating what as revealed before it in the torah, a guide and admonition to the righteous.

47. Therefore let those who follow the Gospel judge according to what God has revealed therein. Evil-doers are those that do not judge according to God's revelations.

Qur'an 29:46 And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better (then mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury); But say, "We believe in the Revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our God and your God is One...

Qur'an 3:3 He has revealed to you the Book with the Truth, confirming the scriptures which preceded it; for He has already revealed the Torah and the Gospel for the guidance of mankind, and the distinction of right and wrong.

Qur'an 5:66 If they observe the Torah and the Gospel and what is revealed to them from their Lord, they shall enjoy abundance from above and from beneath.

You suppose wrongly that Christians don't look for truth outside of their own "Canonic Gospels," as though the Church didn't weigh hundreds if not thousands of manuscripts in its early centuries before settling on what it determined to be true and worthy of inclusion in the Canon. Your medieval forgery known as the "Gospel of Barnabas" is a mockery of that effort, quite frankly; it could only have been written by a calculating liar and taqiyya practioner who depended on the ignorance, willful or otherwise, of his readers. In short, he was a Mohammadan.

As for my own faith stance, I was raised as a Christian, and still prefer Jesus to Mohammad. Why? Because unlike your thin-skinned "prophet," Jesus didn't order the murders of his critics. Nor did he condone highway robbery or the rape of captive women, behaviors that you excuse because "Allah" ordered them! Instead, Jesus prayed for his enemies and murderers in the "Authentic Gospels," based on what his "Father" had commanded of him.

"Braindead's" argument is that Jesus would have been as ruthless as your "prophet" if only he'd had more support from his wretched disciples. What's your excuse?
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157039 Jan 1, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
What a criminal waste of the precious bandwidth! There was no need to copy and paste the entire Psalm.
After the bulls, dogs and lions of Bashan had divided David's clothes and cast lots for his garments, David was left naked and wandered in the desert and went to Florence, Italy.
I think the sculptor made the most famous statue of David, after he had read Psalms 22. lol!
Braindead Muslim Zealot,

I expected this sort of mockingly stupid reply from you.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157040 Jan 1, 2013
Buford wrote:
Braindead Muslim Zealot,

I expected this sort of mockingly stupid reply from you.
Braindead were those, who showed four Roman soldiers dividing Jesus' clothes and his tunic and completely braindead are those, who seriously believe that "Dividing garments and casting lots" means taking somebody's clothes and leaving him naked.

Braindead were also those, who do not know and do not wish to mention that Jesus' bones and joints were not dislocated.

Braindead are also those, who do not know that Jesus had no children, when the quote Psalms 22.

Braindead are also those, who do not know that he was not buried in the graveyard, with the wicked.

Yet the braindead quote Psalms foolishly!!!

You must learn to appreciate the sarcasm in my posts.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#157042 Jan 1, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Braindead Muslim Zealot,
I expected this sort of mockingly stupid reply from you.
Gentile pagan Mules?….
The poor clueless gentile pagan Christian is so misinformed that he not only carries the books of non gentiles on his back like a mule, he worships a non gentile man and carries non gentiles on his back like a clueless donkey even today!!!

Fake non-gentile atheists?…..
http://www.thejewishweek.com/features/new-yor...
Never trust some key non gentiles when they say they are atheists!
They are simply saying (fingers crossed!) that they reject Jesus Christ as God!
They will continue to deal only with their own tribal racist sexist bigoted anti gentile slave god.

Why can’t the non-gentiles be honest about Jesus?.........
They sort of know that Jesus came for them only as a messenger/anointed one but NEVER as god in human form to die for their sins!
So why don’t non-gentiles try and correct the clueless pagan gentiles who worship Jesus?
Is it because they wish to satisfy themselves that they have always been correct in rejecting BJ who is now being worshipped as god thus proving that he was a deceiver and a seducer? The more BJ misleads the more sins get loaded on to him thus proving Deuteronomy!
Are the non-gentiles making sure that BJ remains a sinner?
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#157043 Jan 1, 2013
This tribal racist sexist bigoted anti-gentile jealous slave god of non-gentiles, comes as his own son to annoy the hell out of the non-gentile masters.
The non-gentile masters get so p'd off with their slave god that they kill him off!
Was that the original plan by this clueless slave god?
No wonder the non-gentiles hate him!

Or was the anti-gentile slave god of the non-gentiles got so fed up with the non-gentiles that he got himself killed by the non-gentiles to take on the form of a "risen" gentile god?????!!
What a clever ploy!!!
Hooray!
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#157044 Jan 1, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Braindead were those, who showed four Roman soldiers dividing Jesus' clothes and his tunic and completely braindead are those, who seriously believe that "Dividing garments and casting lots" means taking somebody's clothes and leaving him naked.
Braindead were also those, who do not know and do not wish to mention that Jesus' bones and joints were not dislocated.
Braindead are also those, who do not know that Jesus had no children, when the quote Psalms 22.
Braindead are also those, who do not know that he was not buried in the graveyard, with the wicked.
Yet the braindead quote Psalms foolishly!!!
You must learn to appreciate the sarcasm in my posts.
Dear brother Happy New Year and a Happy New year to fellow humans, braindead and brainAlive!
Some great points....
About BJ being naked....hmmm...it is very easy for them to get naked those days...simon peter the naked fisherman, the much loved, breast pressing, naked disciple who fled...and the naked "risen" BJ the gardener who was chasing seven demons off magda to the shouts of "oh my god..oh my god"....!

Here's another thought....
They keep bragging about sinless BJ the sacrifical lamb (who got up and ran off!!)....!
Why was BJ hiding from his potential "killers"?
The longer he lived on planet earth the more sins he was able to commit including his famous "living tadpole water proposal" to a helpless woman when her husband was away and also rebuking many peasants while cursiong helpless fig trees and calling poor helpless women "dogs"...
At worst he should have walked straight out of river jordan, post batism to put his head on a chopping board for a Jewish priest to do the business!
What does he do, instead? Confuse clueless Satan who did not even realise BJ was "god"!!! lol....
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157045 Jan 1, 2013
Happy New Year Alex, MUQ and all.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157049 Jan 1, 2013
Buford wrote:
As for my own faith stance, I was raised as a Christian, and still prefer Jesus to Mohammad. Why? Because unlike your thin-skinned "prophet," Jesus didn't order the murders of his critics. Nor did he condone highway robbery or the rape of captive women, behaviors that you excuse because "Allah" ordered them! Instead, Jesus prayed for his enemies and murderers in the "Authentic Gospels," based on what his "Father" had commanded of him.

"Braindead's" argument is that Jesus would have been as ruthless as your "prophet" if only he'd had more support from his wretched disciples. What's your excuse?
Are you suggesting that Jesus was a thick-skinned person? If you are, then I agree with you that Jesu was really a thick-skinned person. Actually he proves that himself. lol!

Actually, Buford, Jesus was a nobody among his people. He had no say and no one listened to him.

You must keep in mind that he was not sent to pagans. He came with nothing, brought nothing new and gave nothing new. He was sent to a people, who believed in God and had the Scriptures.

The man was not terrorized by fellow Jews, was free to move and deliver speeches, yet to no avail.
Neither he nor a bunch of his followers were attacked and they did not even have to fight.

Thus, he had nothing to do and yet the man failed and wasn't recognized. The biblical Jesus was a softy and a wimp, who did not stand up to the leadership from day one.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#157050 Jan 1, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Spamboy,
I DID read your disclaimer at the start of your "Barnabas the Muslim" spamfest, so there's no need to post it again, but I'll tell you this; STRICTLY SPEAKING, your own "prophet" clearly had more faith in the reliability of the "Authentic Gospels" than you do.
Here's proof:
Quran 5:46 After them we sent forth Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the Torah already revealed, and gave him the Gospel, in which there is guidance and light, corroborating what as revealed before it in the torah, a guide and admonition to the righteous.
47. Therefore let those who follow the Gospel judge according to what God has revealed therein. Evil-doers are those that do not judge according to God's revelations.
Qur'an 29:46 And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better (then mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury); But say, "We believe in the Revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our God and your God is One...
Qur'an 3:3 He has revealed to you the Book with the Truth, confirming the scriptures which preceded it; for He has already revealed the Torah and the Gospel for the guidance of mankind, and the distinction of right and wrong.
Qur'an 5:66 If they observe the Torah and the Gospel and what is revealed to them from their Lord, they shall enjoy abundance from above and from beneath.
You suppose wrongly that Christians don't look for truth outside of their own "Canonic Gospels," as though the Church didn't weigh hundreds if not thousands of manuscripts in its early centuries before settling on what it determined to be true and worthy of inclusion in the Canon. Your medieval forgery known as the "Gospel of Barnabas" is a mockery of that effort, quite frankly; it could only have been written by a calculating liar and taqiyya practioner who depended on the ignorance, willful or otherwise, of his readers. In short, he was a Mohammadan.
As for my own faith stance, I was raised as a Christian, and still prefer Jesus to Mohammad. Why? Because unlike your thin-skinned "prophet," Jesus didn't order the murders of his critics. Nor did he condone highway robbery or the rape of captive women, behaviors that you excuse because "Allah" ordered them! Instead, Jesus prayed for his enemies and murderers in the "Authentic Gospels," based on what his "Father" had commanded of him.
"Braindead's" argument is that Jesus would have been as ruthless as your "prophet" if only he'd had more support from his wretched disciples. What's your excuse?
Bu(tteredButtturdlick)ford.... .take your nose off the non-gentile asses and stick it back in your wood glue!
That will stop help slow down your dementia and prevent your single brain cell from slipping out through your nose..lol.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#157051 Jan 1, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you suggesting that Jesus was a thick-skinned person? If you are, then I agree with you that Jesu was really a thick-skinned person. Actually he proves that himself. lol!
Actually, Buford, Jesus was a nobody among his people. He had no say and no one listened to him.
You must keep in mind that he was not sent to pagans. He came with nothing, brought nothing new and gave nothing new. He was sent to a people, who believed in God and had the Scriptures.
The man was not terrorized by fellow Jews, was free to move and deliver speeches, yet to no avail.
Neither he nor a bunch of his followers were attacked and they did not even have to fight.
Thus, he had nothing to do and yet the man failed and wasn't recognized. The biblical Jesus was a softy and a wimp, who did not stand up to the leadership from day one.
He was good at running very fast... even uphill.
Why didn't he take part in the old olympics? it has been going on since 776BC..lol..
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157052 Jan 1, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Dear brother Happy New Year and a Happy New year to fellow humans, braindead and brainAlive!
Some great points....
About BJ being naked....hmmm...it is very easy for them to get naked those days...simon peter the naked fisherman, the much loved, breast pressing, naked disciple who fled...and the naked "risen" BJ the gardener who was chasing seven demons off magda to the shouts of "oh my god..oh my god"....!
Here's another thought....
They keep bragging about sinless BJ the sacrifical lamb (who got up and ran off!!)....!
Why was BJ hiding from his potential "killers"?
The longer he lived on planet earth the more sins he was able to commit including his famous "living tadpole water proposal" to a helpless woman when her husband was away and also rebuking many peasants while cursiong helpless fig trees and calling poor helpless women "dogs"...
At worst he should have walked straight out of river jordan, post batism to put his head on a chopping board for a Jewish priest to do the business!
What does he do, instead? Confuse clueless Satan who did not even realise BJ was "god"!!! lol....
Happy New Year, Alex

The problem is that the Church fathers impressed the fools and the ignorants, who had no access to any books and were neither well-read nor knew the metaphors and figurative language of the Jews.

Those, who knew Hebrew, understood well what the language meant. And here, we have the Church, the evangelists, the pastors and the masses, who foolishly take dividing clothes and garments to mean as if a person's clothes were really taken and shared using a lottery.

In Arabic, there is this saying "Do not eat or devour the property of orphans and the weak", and if Jesus had said that, the Christians would have taken it to seriously mean "Eating the food and grabbing the plates or bowls of the orphans and the poor".

Buford is trying his level best not to understand. lol!
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#157053 Jan 1, 2013
@ Alex

Another point

Jesus did not leave any scripture behind.

When he was presented to the Gentiles, the scripture was created and written by men, who did not even sit in the company of Jesus or his disciples.

Even the gospels do not know what all the disciples really did.
Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#157054 Jan 1, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
This tribal racist sexist bigoted anti-gentile jealous slave god of non-gentiles, comes as his own son to annoy the hell out of the non-gentile masters.
The non-gentile masters get so p'd off with their slave god that they kill him off!
Was that the original plan by this clueless slave god?
No wonder the non-gentiles hate him!
Or was the anti-gentile slave god of the non-gentiles got so fed up with the non-gentiles that he got himself killed by the non-gentiles to take on the form of a "risen" gentile god?????!!
What a clever ploy!!!
Hooray!
Alex take your meds
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#157055 Jan 1, 2013
Hi Frijoles,

I hate to put you on the spot, but the Singaporean and supposed Hebrew scholar is making assertions, yet again, this time about what Psalm 22:19 REALLY means, to wit:

"They part my garments among them, and for my vesture do they cast lots."

The author of John's Gospel references this passage with regard to the disposition of the clothes that Jesus was wearing when he was led out to be crucified.

I should add that whether or not one even agrees that the event occurred, the question here concerns what ACTUAL and not PRETEND Hebrew scholars have to say about the meaning of this passage from Pslam 22.

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