Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Brussels Journal

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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<quoted text>Braindead Muslim Zealot,

Why do you assume, quite stupidly, I might add, that because something is not explicitly mentioned in the Gospel record, that this constitutes proof that it didn't happen, EVER?
Guess what? There is also no mentiuon in the Gospel record that Jesus EVER shat or pissed, which MUST mean, by your unassailable "logic," that Jesus NEVER HAD TO EMPTY HIS BOWELS.
I have just confirmed that Jesus belched, farted, peed and shat. Surely he unloaded shit everyday. It is silly to expect that mentioned in the gospels, and you would have have thrown the gospels away, if the details were given that he peed and shat, while standing.

Such details are not important.
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Buford wrote:
I need an answer from you. Did not ask for a silly link.

My question was:

Isn't the Father, a Male? Or do you think the Father is a she, I mean a female?

Why not a neuter gender?

Please try to answer in your own words.

I will extend some help here: The Father, according to Jesus, IS a MALE.

"And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—the Spirit of truth."

Anyway, the word shows already that the Father is a confirmed MALE. If he were a Mother, Jesus would have said, " And I will ask the Mother, and she will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—the Spirit of truth."
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The point is simple, if you consider certain books tales, then as an adult like you claim to be, you should reject them, because they are but tale. Let me make you an example that I can bring you at the level where others are yet.
Which part of Cindarella's story is true?
Which part of Snow White's story is true?
Can you pick and choose the true there? No because they are all invented. And so is whatever book yu consider tale. The picking and choosing stories in tales in nonsense.
As for your job of picking and choosing, you believe that Muhammad loved dogs. Where did you get it from? Hadiths that you consider tales, right? How do you know tales tell truth if they are tales and such as they don't and there is nothing to verify the claim? You solved this issue by looking at Quran that never mention anything of that kind. Only because Quran report a story of a dog, and if the prophet hated dogs, he would not have mentioned them, this is what you said.
Aside the fact the Quran is the word of Allah and not Muhammad, thus anything written there came from Allah and whatever is the feeling or thought of your prophet about dogs couldnt have influenced Allah, right? But even if the Quran came from Muhammad, why he should not mentions of presence of a dog if it was there? Are you saying he's capable to omit stories?
That show pretty much what kind of ignorant fool you are.
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As explained before the Gospels are commonly called 'Gospel according to' which implies from Christians the awareness that the Gospels differ in certain things, but on important issues they all agree, or some in cases there is no contradiction but omission. By important issues I mean things like resurrection.
So when you point out a contradiction to show them something actually you are doing something that is known yet, passing therefore for ignorant fool. And as I said in the other posts what matter the most in the Gospels is the teaching of Jesus, or at least what is written he taught/said.
It is Cinderella.

The only point, which I consider worth mentioning is the following statement you made:

"And as I said in the other posts what matter the most in the Gospels is the teaching of Jesus, or at least what is written he taught/said.

Have you ever read the New Testament? What teaching? Teachings, which created massive confusions, that led to wild conjecture, formation of silly and absurd doctrines over centuries.
You call that teachings of Jesus?

Jesus preached God or the Trinity known as the Triune God? Can you answer this? If you say yes, then Jesus did not teach well and taught every damn thing wrong. How come you find that acceptable?

What were his last words? Were his last words the same? Or did he die three times and said different last words. How coem such absurdities are acceptable to you?

Here is the difference between the teaching of Muhammad and Jesus.

Muhammad preached and taught one God. Died and all believed in that one God. Nothing else.

Jesus preached and taught one God, whom he introduced as the Father in heaven, not as hos own father. Died and all were forced to believe in a Triune God.

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Correction, Colonna

Jesus preached and taught one God, whom he introduced as the Father in heaven, not as his own father. Died and all were forced to believe in a Triune God.
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I am sure that Jesus peed, farted, belched, shat and made love like any other man. It does not have to be in the book. It is understood.
And maybe, just maybe, the disciples prayed with Jesus or all on their own. It is understood, you blithering idiot.
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Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Braindead Muslim Zealot,

Again you confirm that you believe whatever suits your fancy, proof be damned.
No! I talk through your gospels, Buford.

Jesus' disciples only believed him just before his sad demise or call it his passing away. Right? I know you will ask me why do I say that? I will tell you. This is from John:

"My Father sent me into the world. And now I will leave the world and go back to my Father.'

The disciples said to him,`Yes, now you are telling us plainly. You are not telling us with words we do not understand.

We know now that you know everything. No one needs to ask you questions. This makes us believe that God sent you.'

Jesus answered them,`Do you really believe now?

Listen, the time is coming. No, the time is here when you will run away. Every man will go to his own home. You will leave me on my own. And yet I am not alone, because my Father is with me."

The believers ran away! All free food munchers fled at the time he needed maximum support.

Am I wrong?
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Buford wrote:
<quoted text>And maybe, just maybe, the disciples prayed with Jesus or all on their own. It is understood, you blithering idiot.
Wrong again!

Please read this gem from Luke 22, which supports my point!

" Jesus Prays on the Mount of Olives

39 Jesus went out as usual to the Mount of Olives, and his disciples followed him.

40 On reaching the place, he said to them,“Pray that you will not fall into temptation.”

41 He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, 42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” 43 An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. 44 And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground.[b]

45 When he rose from prayer and went back to the disciples, he found them asleep, exhausted from sorrow.

46 “Why are you sleeping?” he asked them.

“Get up and pray so that you will not fall into temptation.”

YAWN! And off they went to sleep!
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<quoted text>And maybe, just maybe, the disciples prayed with Jesus or all on their own. It is understood, you blithering idiot.
I am very well read, Buford.

The blithering idiots were those, who wrote the books and the letters of the New Testament and those, who blithered, blabbered and babbled on the day at the pentecost.
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Why don't you people try and get a Quran forged?
That would solve "Most" of your problems with Muslims!!
If there were many Qur'aans written by men, such as Qur'aan, According to A, B, C,.....X, Y, Z, etc., or Falaan Bin Falaan, then they would have done it.

That is the reason, they cannot.

The gospels could be easily forged because those books were written by many. Although the Church fathers cherry-picked four off the streets, they had a tough time to reconcile and are still unable to fix the mess.

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Have you ever read the New Testament? What teaching? Teachings, which created massive confusions, that led to wild conjecture, formation of silly and absurd doctrines over centuries.
You call that teachings of Jesus?
Then I am the one to wonder whether or not you have ever read the New Testament. Have you?
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<quoted text> Jesus preached God or the Trinity known as the Triune God? Can you answer this? If you say yes, then Jesus did not teach well and taught every damn thing wrong. How come you find that acceptable?
According to the Gospel he never did that, nor he claim to be born out of a virgin, another silly thing that both Christianity and Islam believe.
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<quoted text> What were his last words? Were his last words the same? Or did he die three times and said different last words. How coem such absurdities are acceptable to you?
Did I wrote for nothing all those posts about the differences in the Gospels? Go and see back.
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>Here is the difference between the teaching of Muhammad and Jesus.
Muhammad preached and taught one God. Died and all believed in that one God. Nothing else.
Jesus preached and taught one God, whom he introduced as the Father in heaven, not as hos own father. Died and all were forced to believe in a Triune God.
Actually you pointed out the differences between the two religion instead of the differences between their teachings, i.e. one god vs triune god. So you failed to prove your point. And for Christians, not all were forced to believe in Trinity, only few, to the rest it was taught it.
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Wrong again!
Please read this gem from Luke 22, which supports my point!
" Jesus Prays on the Mount of Olives
39 Jesus went out as usual to the Mount of Olives, and his disciples followed him.
40 On reaching the place, he said to them,“Pray that you will not fall into temptation.”
41 He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, 42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” 43 An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. 44 And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground.[b]
45 When he rose from prayer and went back to the disciples, he found them asleep, exhausted from sorrow.
46 “Why are you sleeping?” he asked them.
“Get up and pray so that you will not fall into temptation.”
YAWN! And off they went to sleep!
Braindead Muslim Zealot,

By your "logic," the disciples falling asleep one evening after a big meal instead of staying up to pray with Jesus PROVES that they were ALWAYS falling asleep and NEVER prayed at all, EVER.
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MUQ wrote:
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Why don't you people try and get a Quran forged?
That would solve "Most" of your problems with Muslims!!
Muslims are the ones who should try and forge a "kinder, gentler" Quran, because the one version that exists now has been the cause of "good" Muslims murdering "bad" Muslims for centuries.

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But the Nazarene was a spiritual person often dedicated to the prayers, and he also taught prayers to the mob. It is silly to assume, suggest or affirm that his direct disciples have never prayed.
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But the Nazarene was a spiritual person often dedicated to the prayers, and he also taught prayers to the mob. It is silly to assume, suggest or affirm that his direct disciples have never prayed.
Braindead Muslim Zealot "the very well read" knows for a FACT that the disciples never prayed and were always falling asleep.
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bmz wrote:
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See, you get sillier. I had already written:
"Mahmood,
You are also another fool.
Muhammad was born in 570 and died in 632. That is also not in Qur'aan. Do you have some other dates from the bloody fool Ibn Asshaq?
And you write another internet junkie remark "From what I understand, all this information comes to us from Ben Issac unless you have some other sources that no else is aware of.", which shows you have not read any other book.
By doing so, you make yourself look like a fool! What can I do, when I read such childish posts coming from adults? "
Now, in your own style, Who told you that Muhammad was not born in 570?
You have read only one book by Ibn Asshaq, which does not exist. Go and read other books. How come you have not been able to get some other books? Walk into any bookshop of repute or go the nearest Islamic centre. You can have dozens.
Please, stop asking me foolish questions.
You still have not answered my question. Which book tells you that Mohammad was born in 570 & died in 632? And since when have you started reading "other books"? That is why I am asking you to name a few "other" books.
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You still have not answered my question. Which book tells you that Mohammad was born in 570 & died in 632? And since when have you started reading "other books"? That is why I am asking you to name a few "other" books.
When did I say that I had quoted from a book?

Read my post addressed to El Morales about you:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TT8...

Do you believe that the bloody fool Ibn Ishaq was the only person, who wrote a book about the prophet, which is the source of all your information? That is silly. Right?

So, does Ibn Ishaq tell you when the Prophet was born and when did he die? That is why I agve you the years of his birth and death. You can give me other years, if you disagree.
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STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
Actually you pointed out the differences between the two religion instead of the differences between their teachings, i.e. one god vs triune god. So you failed to prove your point. And for Christians, not all were forced to believe in Trinity, only few, to the rest it was taught it.
Colonna,

You are cracking me up. This is getting hilarious.

I showed the difference between the teachings. You always get it wrong. Read my post again.

All were forced to believe in the false doctrines. Those, who did not, were boiled in oil, burned alive, murdered, beheaded and so on. Even the books they had, were burned. That is why people were hiding their scriptures and books in caves, all over the region. DSS is one example.

Please read the darkest history of Christianity and the Church.
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<quoted text>Muslims are the ones who should try and forge a "kinder, gentler" Quran, because the one version that exists now has been the cause of "good" Muslims murdering "bad" Muslims for centuries.
Relax! No worries. They are six hundred years behind bloody Christianity, but they will catch up faster. They would not need another six hundred years.

Let them kill each other.

What is that to you, Jacapo? lol! You should rejoice.
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Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Braindead Muslim Zealot,
By your "logic," the disciples falling asleep one evening after a big meal instead of staying up to pray with Jesus PROVES that they were ALWAYS falling asleep and NEVER prayed at all, EVER.
My point is that the twelve never prayed in his life time. They only believed in him just before he passed away. They might have seen him praying but I do not see them praying at all.

If they had really prayed, people would have seen and somebody must have reported but there was no hearsay reported by the writers of gospels at all, which shows that they did not pray at all.

Can you show me through the gospels, if they prayed? I can safely confirm that Jesus prayed always alone. No one can deny this fact!

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