Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 Full story: The Brussels Journal 207,617

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Since: May 12

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#155844 Dec 11, 2012
bmz wrote:
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God never granted slavery, ignorant fool.
Muhammad did something, which Jesus even could not think of.
Muhammad got the clue from Qur'aan. The problem is that you are not well-read.
And you asked me a foolish question: "Last but not the least where do you find Muhammad manumitted slavery into Quran?"
How can you find Muhammad manumitting in Qur'aan?
Everytime Quran mentions of slaves made by Muhammad and his followers, there is no a single line in Quran where Allah shows to be against it. You can find in that book stuff like Muslims can marry slaves, as in Quran 4:24. If you allow to a man, who is suppossed to be your follower, to marry a slave, without saying anything against slavery, it goes without saying you are granting it.

Moreover Quran 33:50 says :- "O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war"

The third and fourth line made it clear your god is very pro-slavery, having given to Mu' them slaves.

I have no idea how can a Muslim believe to a god like that without having neither a bit of shame.
bmz wrote:
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Here is the verse of Qur'aan from Buford's favorite translation:
Qur'aan 5:89 "Allah will not impose blame upon you for what is meaningless in your oaths, but He will impose blame upon you for [breaking] what you intended of oaths.
So its expiation is the feeding of ten needy people from the average of that which you feed your [own] families or clothing them or the freeing of a slave.
But whoever cannot find [or afford it]- then a fast of three days [is required]. That is the expiation for oaths when you have sworn. But guard your oaths. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be grateful."
You can see how manumission of slaves was recommended. Did you manage to find "or the freeing of a slave"? in the verse that I quoted?
Are you capable to read and understand? It seems no. Quran 5:89 says that if you break your oath, then as PUNISHMENT you have to feed 10 poors OR free ONE slave.

It's clear that the freeing of a slave is seen by Allah as punishment and not as a act towards the abolition or manumission of slavery. Furthermore it says free of just one slave and NOT of all the slaves that one possesses.

Shame on you and your dishonesty.

Since: May 12

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#155845 Dec 11, 2012
bmz wrote:
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When one marries a girl, she becomes one's wife, ignorant fool! And becomes a free woman. When one takes a girl for short time, she becomes nothing but paramour or a keep or a mistress.
Your predecessors gave Roman citizenship to many bastard sons, who became free. Every bastard child the Romans had from overseas slave-girls and even married women, became a Roman and was free. Right?
Does Paul, the Roman citizen ring a bell?
"As they stretched him out to flog him, Paul said to the centurion standing there, "Is it legal for you to flog a Roman citizen who hasn't even been found guilty?" " How did that fake Jew become a Roman citizen?
That was a free bonus knowledge for you.
All this does not change the fact that Quran 4:24 allows Muslims to marry slaves and that Allah is in favour of slavery.

You have no point in this discussion nor you ever made one. I don't see any reason to keep talking about it.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#155846 Dec 11, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Megalomania is a psychopathological disorder characterized by delusional fantasies of power, relevance, or omnipotence.'Megalomania is characterized by an inflated sense of self-esteem and overestimation by persons of their powers and beliefs'.[1
Having learnt about your condition what are you going to do about it?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#155847 Dec 11, 2012
Frijoles--

Which SYSTEM of RIGHTEOUSNESS supports HOMOSEXUALITY? Is it God's/Torah or your overlords/rabbis?

Please indicate.

Tell me which system you OBEY.

Since: May 12

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#155848 Dec 11, 2012
bmz wrote:
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Hello, NoBrain
So, where did he come from? David?
Where did he come from, or rather who is his ancestor is something that you have to tell me, not vice versa.

A person with brain would never make affermations without having any sort of evidence. Only a person with no brain such as yourself can be so stupid to affirm something without evidence, and believe it.
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#155849 Dec 11, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Having learnt about your condition what are you going to do about it?
There you go again

Its ok, if it gets really tought, they have special drugs for you.

Since: May 12

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#155850 Dec 11, 2012
bmz wrote:
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There must be something in Roman archives. Can you check them out?
On second thought, I doubt that because tehy do not even have David and Jesus in their archives.
Roman archives? Hellooooooo we are living in 21st century! If no one has that, you are left with nothing.

As impartial, expert and great intellectual that you think of yourself, you are pretty disappointing, to be polite.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#155851 Dec 11, 2012
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did he come from, or rather who is his ancestor is something that you have to tell me, not vice versa.
A person with brain would never make affermations without having any sort of evidence. Only a person with no brain such as yourself can be so stupid to affirm something without evidence, and believe it.
grammar...grammar...murder...m urder!
bmz says "A"
colonic irrigator mistakes it for "B"
and responds to apparent "B" with his "C"
which adds to the confusion...leading to "D"!!!
So on..and so forth..fifth...sixth......(yes i know the difference between fourth and forth!!)
lol.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#155852 Dec 11, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>No Nails,
Your Allah/Mohammad APPROVES of slavery.
yes why not.
you make a good slave to the non-gentiles, dear non-gentile bu(ttturdlick)ford
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#155853 Dec 11, 2012
It's a waste of time asking non-gentile bu(ttturdlick)ford...
A) Name that "Trinity in Unity" or Name that "T(ri)une in One" by pointing out the three "components".
They have been numbered so you can pick the THREE very easily:

1- father of son of "GOD"
2- father of son of "god the father"
3- ghost of father of son of "GOD"
4- ghost of father of son of "god the father"
5- spirit of father of son of "GOD"
6- spirit of father of son of "god the father"
7- son of man (son of Adam)
8- son of man (son of David)
9- son of man (son of Joseph)
10- son of "GOD" (who encompasses god the father)
11- son of "god the father" (who is part of GOD)
12- son of god the holy spirit (who is part of GOD)
13- son of god the holy ghost (who is part of GOD)
14- ghost of son of man (son of Adam)
15- ghost of son of man (son of David)
16- ghost of son of man (son of Joseph)
17- ghost of son of "GOD"
18- ghost of son of "god the father"
19- ghost of son of "god the holy spirit"
20- ghost of son of "god the holy ghost"
21- spirit of son of man (son of Adam)
22- spirit of son of man (son of David)
23- spirit of son of man (son of Joseph)
24- spirit of son of "GOD"
25- spirit of son of "god the father"
26- spirit of son of "god the holy spirit"
27- spirit of son of "god the holy ghost"
28- ghost of spirit of father of son of "GOD"
29- ghost of spirit of father of son of "god the father"
30- ghost of spirit of son of man (son of Adam)
31- ghost of spirit of son of man (son of David)
32- ghost of spirit of son of man (son of Joseph)
33- ghost of spirit of son of "GOD"
34- ghost of spirit of son of "god the father"
35- ghost of spirit of son of god the holy spirit
36- ghost of spirit of son of god the holy ghost
37- spirit of ghost father of son of "GOD"
38- spirit of ghost of father of son of "god the father"
39- spirit of ghost of son of man (son of Adam)
40- spirit of ghost of son of man (son of David)
41- spirit of ghost of son of man (son of Joseph)
42- spirit of ghost of son of "GOD"
43- spirit of ghost of son of "god the father"
44- spirit of ghost of son of god the holy spirit
45- spirit of ghost of son of god the holy ghost
46- "Risen" Jesus
47- "Risen" son of man (son of Adam)
48- "Risen" son of man (son of David)
49- "Risen" son of man (son of Joseph)
50- "Risen" son of "God"
51- "Risen" son of "god the father"
52- "Risen" son of "god the holy spirit"
53- "Risen" son of "god the holy ghost"
54- "Lord" of St Paul
55- "Christ" of St Paul
56- Millions of "Jesus" in different shapes and sizes inside every "Christian" in every nation and language
57- Millions of "Holy Spirits" in different shapes and sizes inside every "Christian" in every nation and language
58- Millions of "Holy Ghosts" in different shapes and sizes inside every "Christian" in every nation and language
59- The Jesus in heaven sitting on his own right hand watching himself VINDICTIVELY making footstool of enemies.
60- ALL of the above?
61- NONE of the above?
62- Any more to be added to the above?

B) Show in the NT where Jesus claims divinity as follows:
"I AM JESUS. I AM YOUR GOD WHO HAS COME TO EARTH IN HUMAN FORM AS MY ONLY BEGOTTEN SON TO DIE WILLINGLY IN THE HANDS OF JEWS, FOR THE SINS OF GENTILES AS WELL AS THE ISRAELITES ON A roman CROSS, WHO WILL BE SAVED FOREVER & HAVE ETERNAL LIFE WHEN THEY ACCEPT MY SACRIFICE ON THEIR BEHALF when I go back up to sit on my own right hand to make foot stool of my enemies. I EXPECT NOTHING IN RETURN"
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#155854 Dec 11, 2012
HughBe wrote:
Frijoles--
Which SYSTEM of RIGHTEOUSNESS supports HOMOSEXUALITY? Is it God's/Torah or your overlords/rabbis?
Please indicate.
Tell me which system you OBEY.
You are correct in challenging the people who were challenged by Jesus in almost exactly the same way...
Man made law makes a mockery of God's commands...

Why not throw the old books away as they spin their way out until they disappear up each others posterior!

Either they follow all what the books say or chuck the books out.

All in or all out!
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#155855 Dec 11, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
It's a waste of time asking non-gentile bu(ttturdlick)ford...
A) Name that "Trinity in Unity" or Name that "T(ri)une in One" by pointing out the three "components".
They have been numbered so you can pick the THREE very easily:
1- father of son of "GOD"
2- father of son of "god the father"
3- ghost of father of son of "GOD"
4- ghost of father of son of "god the father"
5- spirit of father of son of "GOD"
6- spirit of father of son of "god the father"
7- son of man (son of Adam)
8- son of man (son of David)
9- son of man (son of Joseph)
10- son of "GOD" (who encompasses god the father)
11- son of "god the father" (who is part of GOD)
12- son of god the holy spirit (who is part of GOD)
13- son of god the holy ghost (who is part of GOD)
14- ghost of son of man (son of Adam)
15- ghost of son of man (son of David)
16- ghost of son of man (son of Joseph)
17- ghost of son of "GOD"
18- ghost of son of "god the father"
19- ghost of son of "god the holy spirit"
20- ghost of son of "god the holy ghost"
21- spirit of son of man (son of Adam)
22- spirit of son of man (son of David)
23- spirit of son of man (son of Joseph)
24- spirit of son of "GOD"
25- spirit of son of "god the father"
26- spirit of son of "god the holy spirit"
27- spirit of son of "god the holy ghost"
28- ghost of spirit of father of son of "GOD"
29- ghost of spirit of father of son of "god the father"
30- ghost of spirit of son of man (son of Adam)
31- ghost of spirit of son of man (son of David)
32- ghost of spirit of son of man (son of Joseph)
33- ghost of spirit of son of "GOD"
34- ghost of spirit of son of "god the father"
35- ghost of spirit of son of god the holy spirit
36- ghost of spirit of son of god the holy ghost
37- spirit of ghost father of son of "GOD"
38- spirit of ghost of father of son of "god the father"
39- spirit of ghost of son of man (son of Adam)
40- spirit of ghost of son of man (son of David)
41- spirit of ghost of son of man (son of Joseph)
42- spirit of ghost of son of "GOD"
43- spirit of ghost of son of "god the father"
44- spirit of ghost of son of god the holy spirit
45- spirit of ghost of son of god the holy ghost
46- "Risen" Jesus
47- "Risen" son of man (son of Adam)
48- "Risen" son of man (son of David)
49- "Risen" son of man (son of Joseph)
50- "Risen" son of "God"
51- "Risen" son of "god the father"
52- "Risen" son of "god the holy spirit"
53- "Risen" son of "god the holy ghost"
54- "Lord" of St Paul
55- "Christ" of St Paul
56- Millions of "Jesus" in different shapes and sizes inside every "Christian" in every nation and language
57- Millions of "Holy Spirits" in different shapes and sizes inside every "Christian" in every nation and language
58- Millions of "Holy Ghosts" in different shapes and sizes inside every "Christian" in every nation and language
59- The Jesus in heaven sitting on his own right hand watching himself VINDICTIVELY making footstool of enemies.
60- ALL of the above?
61- NONE of the above?
62- Any more to be added to the above?
B) Show in the NT where Jesus claims divinity as follows:
"I AM JESUS. I AM YOUR GOD WHO HAS COME TO EARTH IN HUMAN FORM AS MY ONLY BEGOTTEN SON TO DIE WILLINGLY IN THE HANDS OF JEWS, FOR THE SINS OF GENTILES AS WELL AS THE ISRAELITES ON A roman CROSS, WHO WILL BE SAVED FOREVER & HAVE ETERNAL LIFE WHEN THEY ACCEPT MY SACRIFICE ON THEIR BEHALF when I go back up to sit on my own right hand to make foot stool of my enemies. I EXPECT NOTHING IN RETURN"
George,

Take your meds.
Morales

UK

#155856 Dec 11, 2012
bmz wrote:
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Read Islamic history.
since you reject hadiths, siras and most early muslim historians what do you mean by islamic history?
Alex123 aka WM

Ilford, UK

#155857 Dec 11, 2012
For the ignorant fools out there, this is the origin of Holy Quran. Enjoy the video..

Morales

UK

#155858 Dec 11, 2012
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Your predecessors gave Roman citizenship to many bastard sons, who became free. Every bastard child the Romans had from overseas slave-girls and even married women, became a Roman and was free. Right?
Does Paul, the Roman citizen ring a bell?
"As they stretched him out to flog him, Paul said to the centurion standing there, "Is it legal for you to flog a Roman citizen who hasn't even been found guilty?" " How did that fake Jew become a Roman citizen?
That was a free bonus knowledge for you.
that is true, romans manumitted many slaves, through marriage, to celebrate special occasions, by granting citizenship and so forth so did many ancient cultures. Therefore there is nothing special about muhammad or other muslims from time to time manumitting a slave.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#155859 Dec 11, 2012
bmz wrote:
When one marries a girl, she becomes one's wife, ignorant fool! And becomes a free woman. When one takes a girl for short time, she becomes nothing but paramour or a keep or a mistress.
Your predecessors gave Roman citizenship to many bastard sons, who became free. Every bastard child the Romans had from overseas slave-girls and even married women, became a Roman and was free. Right?
Does Paul, the Roman citizen ring a bell?
"As they stretched him out to flog him, Paul said to the centurion standing there, "Is it legal for you to flog a Roman citizen who hasn't even been found guilty?" " How did that fake Jew become a Roman citizen?
That was a free bonus knowledge for you.
No Nails who Knows All,

Saul who became Paul was from Tarsus, which was the capital of the Roman province of Cilicia. As to how Saul/Paul obtained Roman citizenship, this site explores the possibilities: http://www.vawebworks.com/eMinistry/ApostlePa...
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#155860 Dec 11, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
For the ignorant fools out there, this is the origin of Holy Quran. Enjoy the video..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =HKzXzCCVC1IXX
Dr. Puin concludes from the evidence that he examined that the text of the Qur'an has been CHANGED. IOW, "Allah" edited the thing AFTER revealing it VERBATIM (including Hebrew, Greek, Abyssinian, Syriac and Persian words) to Mohammad and his scribes.

Put another way, George, your video does NOT help your "prophet's" cause.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#155861 Dec 11, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
There you go again
Its ok, if it gets really tought, they have special drugs for you.
and again--Having learnt about your condition what are you going to do about it?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#155862 Dec 11, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
You are correct in challenging the people who were challenged by Jesus in almost exactly the same way...
Man made law makes a mockery of God's commands...
Why not throw the old books away as they spin their way out until they disappear up each others posterior!
Either they follow all what the books say or chuck the books out.
All in or all out!
Alex---You are correct in challenging the people who were challenged by Jesus in almost exactly the same way...

HughBe--- interesting
Mahmood

Mississauga, Canada

#155863 Dec 11, 2012
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I reject all rotten and unreliable sources.
I don't need Persian and Central Asian story-tellers to tell me that Ismael was Abraham's son.
I know you reject all story-tellers. What about Arab/Hijazi story-tellers, do you believe them?

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