Who Is Allah?

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

bmz wrote:

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How can you think like that?
Only the Jews and Muslims believe in the same God.
Christians believe in a triune God, which neither the Jews nor the Muslims accept. Even many Christians do not accept that triune God. Then there are Christians, who say that Jesus is God.
The word Christian in Arabic, is Maseehee. Qur'aan uses the term Nasaara for the true followers of Jesus.
YHVH is no God and not the name of God.
I would say Allah is the same as El (pronounced as Ellah) or Hashem of the Jews. How many times do I have to broadcast that Muslims believe in the God of Abraham?

rabbee: well the g-d of abraham, is not TheG-D of Avraham now is IT? an the g-d of ishmael, is not TheG-D of Eeshmael. because the devil, is always the liar somehow.

everytime you agree to alter origional scripture, you enable a false g-d to decieve you. every time you write a new testament, you enable a false g-d/s. and is why i even, reject the tanach.

i do not need any of your, gnostic new testaments. after G-D gave TheWhole Accounting for all seven days. because G-D has never changed how this Story of Creation actually happens. that alleged as men, allow to only be changed in their own corrupted minds.

G-D is giving the exact same Story of Creation again. and your minds have been altered, by the enemy of G-D to reject being here in IT.

[STEFANO COLONNA]

HughBe wrote:

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HughBe-- Certainly you have a very strange concept of righteousness. Listen to me and understand,YOU are speaking to someone who is at least among the very BEST of men and I am no Jesus. I cannot be compared.
Pardon my modesty but I have a nasty habit of calling a spade a spade.

To claim what you just said, first you have to know all men in this world, and only after that you can say to be among the most righteous or not.

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

bmz wrote:

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How can you think like that?
Only the Jews and Muslims believe in the same God.
Christians believe in a triune God, which neither the Jews nor the Muslims accept. Even many Christians do not accept that triune God. Then there are Christians, who say that Jesus is God.
The word Christian in Arabic, is Maseehee. Qur'aan uses the term Nasaara for the true followers of Jesus.
YHVH is no God and not the name of God.
I would say Allah is the same as El (pronounced as Ellah) or Hashem of the Jews. How many times do I have to broadcast that Muslims believe in the God of Abraham?

rabbee: oh come on! muslems and jews, don't even use the same lies. how can a house divided, be for the same tribaal g-d/s? i believe TheG-D, WHO came to speak to me, as TheHisMale Child adam.

and i do not accept any of you, as true to G-D here in TheStory of Creation again. and i right now, may not be as pissed at all of you, and your grandmother sarah faye ann carney as G-D. but give me some more of you hard time, cause i am getting there.

as the last thing i want to be, is in chrage of this insane assylum against G-D. with all your divided houses, indicating way to many other g-ds. with all of you, helping the same old devil decieve your grandmother again. with her as the only way here in scripture, i can could of been decieved for a while.

with all of you, just had to do the devil's job for him again. with all of you, out whitewashing the devils fence for him. in this, whole morally bankrupt world. this whole world has a problem, because you all are the problem against G-D.

so when G-D, comes to visit with me again. i haven't one nice thing to say to THEM, about any of you or your grandmother right now. you can't even imagine, how embarassing you all are to your grandfather adam here again in ThisStory of Creation. as now i understand, why G-D keeps getting angrier at all of you.

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

and to think, that washingtn dc, is not the only snow job causing globaal warming. the truly decieved, so you can become a true deciever.

[STEFANO COLONNA]

bmz wrote:

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How can you think like that?

-Why not?

bmz wrote:

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Only the Jews and Muslims believe in the same God.

Looking at your criteria down here, then you should add Christians as well. All of you believe in the god of Abraham, and all of you have main differences. So either all of you don't believe in the same god or all of you believe in the same one. You cannot keep two and left one out.

Moreover don't you know that just recently the Turkey has sanctioned the private local broacaster Cnbc-e for blasphemy, because they have showed in a episode God (a Christian version of) offering a drink, I think coffee, to Satan?
What's the reason to sanction them if it's not about the same god?

bmz wrote:

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Christians believe in a triune God, which neither the Jews nor the Muslims accept. Even many Christians do not accept that triune God. Then there are Christians, who say that Jesus is God.

If you want to put the discourse on the level of acceptation, then I have to remember you that Jews don't accept Friday as holy day, don't practise Ramadan and they are not prohibited to drink alcohol. Have your god told you to follow the 613 mitzvot? So obviously using your own standard neither Jews and Muslims follow the same god.

bmz wrote:

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The word Christian in Arabic, is Maseehee. Qur'aan uses the term Nasaara for the true followers of Jesus.

I guess is that Maseehee messiah or messianic? Nasaara may mean Nazarene? If it's so the difference may be on belief level between the two.

bmz wrote:

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YHVH is no God and not the name of God.

You know well that any practicing Jews will disagree wit you. If your god is not YHVH then you and/or Muslims believe into another god.

bmz wrote:

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I would say Allah is the same as El (pronounced as Ellah) or Hashem of the Jews. How many times do I have to broadcast that Muslims believe in the God of Abraham?

Actually even Christians believe in that god, but the point seems to be that Christianity and Islam draw origin from Judaism, but one religion made up its doctrine from hearsay and distortions, and corrupted books, while the other was developed from a criminal mind.

[Mahmood]

bmz wrote:

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Qur'aan does not mention the word Gospels at all. It talks about Torah granted to Moses and Injeel granted to Jesus. And Injeel cannot be many books written by men. You just contradicted yourself.
Translators' use of that word does not mean that Jesus came with four Gospels, written by men after he was long gone. Right?
Ever heard of anything such as, Qur'aan, According to ABC, Qur'aan, According to XYZ?

Okay Injeel, whats the big deal between gospel/bible/injeel? Are we getting into verbal gymnastics here? I have given you guys a contradiction to solve between 2:62 & 4:150-151, and instead of solving it, you guys are going on a tailspin trying to define Christianity.

Let me tell you someting. The authors of the Koran had no clue whatsoever, that the previous scriptures were all a product of the human mind. The Koran says Allah/God revealed the Torah to Moses - bullocks!! There was no Torah before 500BC. The person writing the Koran did not what the hell he was writing. There is no historical evidence that any of the "prophets" mentioned in the Koran even existed maybe except for "David" existed.

You people fail to realize how people back in those days were prone to create and repeat impossible myths. Instead of using your brains and thinking clearly and asking for evidence, you swallow all this bull&shit without question.

[Alex123 aka WM]

STEFANO COLONNA wrote:

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Looking at your criteria down here, then you should add Christians as well. All of you believe in the god of Abraham, and all of you have main differences. So either all of you don't believe in the same god or all of you believe in the same one. You cannot keep two and left one out.
Moreover don't you know that just recently the Turkey has sanctioned the private local broacaster Cnbc-e for blasphemy, because they have showed in a episode God (a Christian version of) offering a drink, I think coffee, to Satan?
What's the reason to sanction them if it's not about the same god?
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If you want to put the discourse on the level of acceptation, then I have to remember you that Jews don't accept Friday as holy day, don't practise Ramadan and they are not prohibited to drink alcohol. Have your god told you to follow the 613 mitzvot? So obviously using your own standard neither Jews and Muslims follow the same god.
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I guess is that Maseehee messiah or messianic? Nasaara may mean Nazarene? If it's so the difference may be on belief level between the two.
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You know well that any practicing Jews will disagree wit you. If your god is not YHVH then you and/or Muslims believe into another god.
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Actually even Christians believe in that god, but the point seems to be that Christianity and Islam draw origin from Judaism, but one religion made up its doctrine from hearsay and distortions, and corrupted books, while the other was developed from a criminal mind.

Surely this chap is mentally unstable.
Who is Jesus?
Man or God?
Let the fool answer it first.

[Alex123 aka WM]

Mahmood wrote:

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Allah aka God may not be the father of Jesus but he supposedly the almighty creator which Jews and Christians believe in. 2:62 says nothing about which brand of Christian, Jews, or Sabians. It refers to Christians and Jews in general. No need to talk to a Rabbi because no Jew has ever believed Mohammad.

-"May" not be the father of Jesus? Who says that? You or Christian?
Muslims categorically say God is NOT Jesus' Father.

- Do "Christians" believe in God the Son?

- You NEED to talk to Rabbi, because no Jew who practises Judaism as his religion, has ever believed Jesus either!

- I have given all the answers but you cannot understand it.

[Alex123 aka WM]

STEFANO COLONNA wrote:

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Hmm I think the leaders of all the three major abrahamic religion say they all believe in the same god. Even the Quran say Christian, Jews and Muslims believe in Allah, and you are against your never wrong book.
Do you think Allah and YHVH are the same god?

Give it a rest stefanny!
Either your English is appalling or you are a retard or both.
What you "think" is not worth a lot but let's enjoy this banter anyway...

Does Quran say Christians believe in Allah or does it say Christians "who" believe in Allah....?

Here is a surprising revelation, if you can prove me wrong I would appreciate it.

- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that "their god" favours only them on the basis of their race/tribe/blood and that their god wants all gentiles utterly destroyed for worshipping "other" gods.

- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that the gentile-hating god came in non-gentile human form as his own son to die for the sins of non-gentiles and gentiles!

- One lot of Abrahamaic people believe that they cannot own the God who loves sustains all creation. They "effectively" believe that pious people irrespective of their race/colour/nation end up getting promoted in the hereafter! They also believe that God has no equals and that God has no son god or daughter god.

Name them!

[Eric]

MUQ wrote:

Excerpts from the Gospel of Barnabas, Part-1
Chapter- Opening Statement.....
(Abridged)

You will note that 2 of us have sought to engage MUQ in conversation concerning the Barnabas excerpts--without success.

[Eric]

Alex123 aka WM wrote:

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- One lot of Abrahamaic people believe that they cannot own the God who loves sustains all creation. They "effectively" believe that pious people irrespective of their race/colour/nation end up getting promoted in the hereafter! They also believe that God has no equals and that God has no son god or daughter god.
Name them!

Well, this one is the Jews who believe in the Noahide principles.

[Alex123 aka WM]

Mahmood wrote:

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All I do know is that the all Jews and Christians are monotheists believing in one almighty creator. The Koran tells us that the same Allah revealed the Gospels and the Torah. Unfortunately the author of the Koran was unaware that there was no Torah and Bible to begin with. All these books were conjured up and penned by humans.

Not all of them are monotheists!
god the father, god the son and god the ghost...cannot be one person and they know it too. how can god the son pray to god the father? how does that work?
koran..koran may be telling you loads of things but what does Al Quran say?
the "person" who "wrote" the Quran knew a bit more than many!
The "person" who "wrote" the Quran said Jesus is not God and that is spot on!
The "person" who "wrote" the Quran is super human, supreme or what?
lol...

[Alex123 aka WM]

Eric wrote:

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Well, this one is the Jews who believe in the Noahide principles.

Very good!
Just Jews?
Let's include the world or are you relectant to involve the Chinese?

[Eric]

Alex123 aka WM wrote:

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Very good!
Just Jews?
Let's include the world or are you relectant to involve the Chinese?

First, Chinese is not a religion.

Second, the unique Chinese religions are not Abrahamic.

Finally, it was you who was trying to be divisive by trying to ridicule other religions. I merely applied what YOU said to my beliefs. I did not disparage anyone else's beliefs. I only supported mine.

Here is what you said.

"Here is a surprising revelation, if you can prove me wrong I would appreciate it.

"- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that "their god" favours only them on the basis of their race/tribe/blood and that their god wants all gentiles utterly destroyed for worshipping "other" gods.

"- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that the gentile-hating god came in non-gentile human form as his own son to die for the sins of non-gentiles and gentiles!

"- One lot of Abrahamaic people believe that they cannot own the God who loves sustains all creation. They "effectively" believe that pious people irrespective of their race/colour/nation end up getting promoted in the hereafter! They also believe that God has no equals and that God has no son god or daughter god.

Name them!"

[STEFANO COLONNA]

Alex123 aka WM wrote:

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Surely this chap is mentally unstable.

Thanks to introduce your -sick- self to the world.

Alex123 aka WM wrote:

<quoted text>Who is Jesus?
Man or God?

I did answer it yet about this question, are you stupid or you suffer of alzheimer?

Alex123 aka WM wrote:

<quoted text>Let the fool answer it first.

It's unbelievable how you came out with topics that have nothing to do with this discussion!

By the way, if you give me your home address or bank account I can give you some money to buy the pillsthat you need so bad.

[STEFANO COLONNA]

Alex123 aka WM wrote:

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Give it a rest stefanny!
Either your English is appalling or you are a retard or both.
What you "think" is not worth a lot but let's enjoy this banter anyway...
Does Quran say Christians believe in Allah or does it say Christians "who" believe in Allah....?
Here is a surprising revelation, if you can prove me wrong I would appreciate it.
- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that "their god" favours only them on the basis of their race/tribe/blood and that their god wants all gentiles utterly destroyed for worshipping "other" gods.
- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that the gentile-hating god came in non-gentile human form as his own son to die for the sins of non-gentiles and gentiles!
- One lot of Abrahamaic people believe that they cannot own the God who loves sustains all creation. They "effectively" believe that pious people irrespective of their race/colour/nation end up getting promoted in the hereafter! They also believe that God has no equals and that God has no son god or daughter god.
Name them!

Hi dizzy fool,

Quran 2:69
Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

As evident from this verse, Allah aka Jibreel aka Muhammad makes no distinction AMONG Christians. So Christians means Christians. After he named the Jews, Christians and Sabians he called out to all the people who believe in Allah and last day, giving for obvious that Jews, Christians and Sabians, believe in Allah and last day.

You said you won't correspond with him but you can't keep your words for more than few hours... pathetic chap.

[Alex123 aka WM]

STEFANO COLONNA wrote:

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Thanks to introduce your -sick- self to the world.
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I did answer it yet about this question, are you stupid or you suffer of alzheimer?
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It's unbelievable how you came out with topics that have nothing to do with this discussion!
By the way, if you give me your home address or bank account I can give you some money to buy the pillsthat you need so bad.

Hey moron.
I know what I am talking about unlike you.
Just answer the question:
Is Jesus God or 100% man?

[Eric]

Alex123 aka WM wrote:

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Hey moron.
I know what I am talking about unlike you.
Just answer the question:
Is Jesus God or 100% man?

Do you know what SC's personal religious beliefs are? You might want to check with him on that first.

[Alex123 aka WM]

STEFANO COLONNA wrote:

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Hi dizzy fool,
Quran 2:69
Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
As evident from this verse, Allah aka Jibreel aka Muhammad makes no distinction AMONG Christians. So Christians means Christians. After he named the Jews, Christians and Sabians he called out to all the people who believe in Allah and last day, giving for obvious that Jews, Christians and Sabians, believe in Allah and last day.
You said you won't correspond with him but you can't keep your words for more than few hours... pathetic chap.

Hey moron. You are digging a big hole. Keep going.
You will be made to eat your words when the time comes and if you are still around!
Just remember this:
I have posted just two or three important ones on the subject.
Your answers are there but you continue to display your ignorance.

Here is my last set of comments and you are expected to answer them properly. I know you are struggling to put together a few words that make any sense, but try anyway:

Does Quran say Christians believe in Allah or does it say Christians "who" believe in Allah....?

Here is a surprising revelation, if you can prove me wrong I would appreciate it.

- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that "their god" favours only them on the basis of their race/tribe/blood and that their god wants all gentiles utterly destroyed for worshipping "other" gods.

- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that the gentile-hating god came in non-gentile human form as his own son to die for the sins of non-gentiles and gentiles!

- One lot of Abrahamaic people believe that they cannot own the God who loves sustains all creation. They "effectively" believe that pious people irrespective of their race/colour/nation end up getting promoted in the hereafter! They also believe that God has no equals and that God has no son god or daughter god.

Jusy Name them boy!

I know what I am doing - I am a "teacher" of "Christianity", "researcher" of "Islam" and an informed "observer" of "Judaism".

[Alex123 aka WM]

Eric wrote:

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First, Chinese is not a religion.
Second, the unique Chinese religions are not Abrahamic.
Finally, it was you who was trying to be divisive by trying to ridicule other religions. I merely applied what YOU said to my beliefs. I did not disparage anyone else's beliefs. I only supported mine.
Here is what you said.
"Here is a surprising revelation, if you can prove me wrong I would appreciate it.
"- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that "their god" favours only them on the basis of their race/tribe/blood and that their god wants all gentiles utterly destroyed for worshipping "other" gods.
"- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that the gentile-hating god came in non-gentile human form as his own son to die for the sins of non-gentiles and gentiles!
"- One lot of Abrahamaic people believe that they cannot own the God who loves sustains all creation. They "effectively" believe that pious people irrespective of their race/colour/nation end up getting promoted in the hereafter! They also believe that God has no equals and that God has no son god or daughter god.
Name them!"

I was making some real observation concerning worship of God of Abraham/Noah and how it has been "adulterated" or has been glossed over by men:

"1- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that "their god" favours only them on the basis of their race/tribe/blood and that their god wants all gentiles utterly destroyed for worshipping "other" gods.
"2- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that the gentile-hating god came in non-gentile human form as his own son to die for the sins of non-gentiles and gentiles!
"3- One lot of Abrahamaic people believe that they cannot own the God who loves sustains all creation. They "effectively" believe that pious people irrespective of their race/colour/nation end up getting promoted in the hereafter! They also believe that God has no equals and that God has no son god or daughter god.

You know you are wrong to refer to the last lot as Noahide because "Noahidism" of today is a fudge. It is just a second class compartment going nowhere. It is a cop out to make people forget the heavy proselytizing that went on long before Jesus under one category of Abrahamaics.

Honest Paul (the Pharisee?) tried a cut down version of it to hook the gentiles who are now convinced that they are born sinners!

The Chinese have an important part to play in this. Which one of the above three will accept the Chinese?

We need a bit of honesty. You are unwilling to admit that you belong to category 1.

If you are honest you will come out and say it loud.
God loves those who are honest.
(Let me put it another way...which category do you belong to?)