Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Brussels Journal

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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How can you think like that?
-Why not?
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Only the Jews and Muslims believe in the same God.
Looking at your criteria down here, then you should add Christians as well. All of you believe in the god of Abraham, and all of you have main differences. So either all of you don't believe in the same god or all of you believe in the same one. You cannot keep two and left one out.

Moreover don't you know that just recently the Turkey has sanctioned the private local broacaster Cnbc-e for blasphemy, because they have showed in a episode God (a Christian version of) offering a drink, I think coffee, to Satan?
What's the reason to sanction them if it's not about the same god?
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Christians believe in a triune God, which neither the Jews nor the Muslims accept. Even many Christians do not accept that triune God. Then there are Christians, who say that Jesus is God.
If you want to put the discourse on the level of acceptation, then I have to remember you that Jews don't accept Friday as holy day, don't practise Ramadan and they are not prohibited to drink alcohol. Have your god told you to follow the 613 mitzvot? So obviously using your own standard neither Jews and Muslims follow the same god.
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The word Christian in Arabic, is Maseehee. Qur'aan uses the term Nasaara for the true followers of Jesus.
I guess is that Maseehee messiah or messianic? Nasaara may mean Nazarene? If it's so the difference may be on belief level between the two.
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YHVH is no God and not the name of God.
You know well that any practicing Jews will disagree wit you. If your god is not YHVH then you and/or Muslims believe into another god.
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I would say Allah is the same as El (pronounced as Ellah) or Hashem of the Jews. How many times do I have to broadcast that Muslims believe in the God of Abraham?
Actually even Christians believe in that god, but the point seems to be that Christianity and Islam draw origin from Judaism, but one religion made up its doctrine from hearsay and distortions, and corrupted books, while the other was developed from a criminal mind.
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Qur'aan does not mention the word Gospels at all. It talks about Torah granted to Moses and Injeel granted to Jesus. And Injeel cannot be many books written by men. You just contradicted yourself.
Translators' use of that word does not mean that Jesus came with four Gospels, written by men after he was long gone. Right?
Ever heard of anything such as, Qur'aan, According to ABC, Qur'aan, According to XYZ?
Okay Injeel, whats the big deal between gospel/bible/injeel? Are we getting into verbal gymnastics here? I have given you guys a contradiction to solve between 2:62 & 4:150-151, and instead of solving it, you guys are going on a tailspin trying to define Christianity.

Let me tell you someting. The authors of the Koran had no clue whatsoever, that the previous scriptures were all a product of the human mind. The Koran says Allah/God revealed the Torah to Moses - bullocks!! There was no Torah before 500BC. The person writing the Koran did not what the hell he was writing. There is no historical evidence that any of the "prophets" mentioned in the Koran even existed maybe except for "David" existed.

You people fail to realize how people back in those days were prone to create and repeat impossible myths. Instead of using your brains and thinking clearly and asking for evidence, you swallow all this bull&shit without question.
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Looking at your criteria down here, then you should add Christians as well. All of you believe in the god of Abraham, and all of you have main differences. So either all of you don't believe in the same god or all of you believe in the same one. You cannot keep two and left one out.
Moreover don't you know that just recently the Turkey has sanctioned the private local broacaster Cnbc-e for blasphemy, because they have showed in a episode God (a Christian version of) offering a drink, I think coffee, to Satan?
What's the reason to sanction them if it's not about the same god?
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If you want to put the discourse on the level of acceptation, then I have to remember you that Jews don't accept Friday as holy day, don't practise Ramadan and they are not prohibited to drink alcohol. Have your god told you to follow the 613 mitzvot? So obviously using your own standard neither Jews and Muslims follow the same god.
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I guess is that Maseehee messiah or messianic? Nasaara may mean Nazarene? If it's so the difference may be on belief level between the two.
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You know well that any practicing Jews will disagree wit you. If your god is not YHVH then you and/or Muslims believe into another god.
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Actually even Christians believe in that god, but the point seems to be that Christianity and Islam draw origin from Judaism, but one religion made up its doctrine from hearsay and distortions, and corrupted books, while the other was developed from a criminal mind.
Surely this chap is mentally unstable.
Who is Jesus?
Man or God?
Let the fool answer it first.
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Allah aka God may not be the father of Jesus but he supposedly the almighty creator which Jews and Christians believe in. 2:62 says nothing about which brand of Christian, Jews, or Sabians. It refers to Christians and Jews in general. No need to talk to a Rabbi because no Jew has ever believed Mohammad.
-"May" not be the father of Jesus? Who says that? You or Christian?
Muslims categorically say God is NOT Jesus' Father.

- Do "Christians" believe in God the Son?

- You NEED to talk to Rabbi, because no Jew who practises Judaism as his religion, has ever believed Jesus either!

- I have given all the answers but you cannot understand it.
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STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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Hmm I think the leaders of all the three major abrahamic religion say they all believe in the same god. Even the Quran say Christian, Jews and Muslims believe in Allah, and you are against your never wrong book.
Do you think Allah and YHVH are the same god?
Give it a rest stefanny!
Either your English is appalling or you are a retard or both.
What you "think" is not worth a lot but let's enjoy this banter anyway...

Does Quran say Christians believe in Allah or does it say Christians "who" believe in Allah....?

Here is a surprising revelation, if you can prove me wrong I would appreciate it.

- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that "their god" favours only them on the basis of their race/tribe/blood and that their god wants all gentiles utterly destroyed for worshipping "other" gods.

- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that the gentile-hating god came in non-gentile human form as his own son to die for the sins of non-gentiles and gentiles!

- One lot of Abrahamaic people believe that they cannot own the God who loves sustains all creation. They "effectively" believe that pious people irrespective of their race/colour/nation end up getting promoted in the hereafter! They also believe that God has no equals and that God has no son god or daughter god.

Name them!
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MUQ wrote:
Excerpts from the Gospel of Barnabas, Part-1
Chapter- Opening Statement.....
(Abridged)
You will note that 2 of us have sought to engage MUQ in conversation concerning the Barnabas excerpts--without success.
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- One lot of Abrahamaic people believe that they cannot own the God who loves sustains all creation. They "effectively" believe that pious people irrespective of their race/colour/nation end up getting promoted in the hereafter! They also believe that God has no equals and that God has no son god or daughter god.
Name them!
Well, this one is the Jews who believe in the Noahide principles.
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All I do know is that the all Jews and Christians are monotheists believing in one almighty creator. The Koran tells us that the same Allah revealed the Gospels and the Torah. Unfortunately the author of the Koran was unaware that there was no Torah and Bible to begin with. All these books were conjured up and penned by humans.
Not all of them are monotheists!
god the father, god the son and god the ghost...cannot be one person and they know it too. how can god the son pray to god the father? how does that work?
koran..koran may be telling you loads of things but what does Al Quran say?
the "person" who "wrote" the Quran knew a bit more than many!
The "person" who "wrote" the Quran said Jesus is not God and that is spot on!
The "person" who "wrote" the Quran is super human, supreme or what?
lol...
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Well, this one is the Jews who believe in the Noahide principles.
Very good!
Just Jews?
Let's include the world or are you relectant to involve the Chinese?
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Alex123 aka WM wrote:
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Very good!
Just Jews?
Let's include the world or are you relectant to involve the Chinese?
First, Chinese is not a religion.

Second, the unique Chinese religions are not Abrahamic.

Finally, it was you who was trying to be divisive by trying to ridicule other religions. I merely applied what YOU said to my beliefs. I did not disparage anyone else's beliefs. I only supported mine.

Here is what you said.

"Here is a surprising revelation, if you can prove me wrong I would appreciate it.

"- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that "their god" favours only them on the basis of their race/tribe/blood and that their god wants all gentiles utterly destroyed for worshipping "other" gods.

"- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that the gentile-hating god came in non-gentile human form as his own son to die for the sins of non-gentiles and gentiles!

"- One lot of Abrahamaic people believe that they cannot own the God who loves sustains all creation. They "effectively" believe that pious people irrespective of their race/colour/nation end up getting promoted in the hereafter! They also believe that God has no equals and that God has no son god or daughter god.

Name them!"

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Surely this chap is mentally unstable.
Thanks to introduce your -sick- self to the world.
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>Who is Jesus?
Man or God?
I did answer it yet about this question, are you stupid or you suffer of alzheimer?
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>Let the fool answer it first.
It's unbelievable how you came out with topics that have nothing to do with this discussion!

By the way, if you give me your home address or bank account I can give you some money to buy the pillsthat you need so bad.

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Alex123 aka WM wrote:
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Give it a rest stefanny!
Either your English is appalling or you are a retard or both.
What you "think" is not worth a lot but let's enjoy this banter anyway...
Does Quran say Christians believe in Allah or does it say Christians "who" believe in Allah....?
Here is a surprising revelation, if you can prove me wrong I would appreciate it.
- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that "their god" favours only them on the basis of their race/tribe/blood and that their god wants all gentiles utterly destroyed for worshipping "other" gods.
- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that the gentile-hating god came in non-gentile human form as his own son to die for the sins of non-gentiles and gentiles!
- One lot of Abrahamaic people believe that they cannot own the God who loves sustains all creation. They "effectively" believe that pious people irrespective of their race/colour/nation end up getting promoted in the hereafter! They also believe that God has no equals and that God has no son god or daughter god.
Name them!
Hi dizzy fool,

Quran 2:69
Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

As evident from this verse, Allah aka Jibreel aka Muhammad makes no distinction AMONG Christians. So Christians means Christians. After he named the Jews, Christians and Sabians he called out to all the people who believe in Allah and last day, giving for obvious that Jews, Christians and Sabians, believe in Allah and last day.

You said you won't correspond with him but you can't keep your words for more than few hours... pathetic chap.
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STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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Thanks to introduce your -sick- self to the world.
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I did answer it yet about this question, are you stupid or you suffer of alzheimer?
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It's unbelievable how you came out with topics that have nothing to do with this discussion!
By the way, if you give me your home address or bank account I can give you some money to buy the pillsthat you need so bad.
Hey moron.
I know what I am talking about unlike you.
Just answer the question:
Is Jesus God or 100% man?
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Hey moron.
I know what I am talking about unlike you.
Just answer the question:
Is Jesus God or 100% man?
Do you know what SC's personal religious beliefs are? You might want to check with him on that first.
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STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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Hi dizzy fool,
Quran 2:69
Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
As evident from this verse, Allah aka Jibreel aka Muhammad makes no distinction AMONG Christians. So Christians means Christians. After he named the Jews, Christians and Sabians he called out to all the people who believe in Allah and last day, giving for obvious that Jews, Christians and Sabians, believe in Allah and last day.
You said you won't correspond with him but you can't keep your words for more than few hours... pathetic chap.
Hey moron. You are digging a big hole. Keep going.
You will be made to eat your words when the time comes and if you are still around!
Just remember this:
I have posted just two or three important ones on the subject.
Your answers are there but you continue to display your ignorance.

Here is my last set of comments and you are expected to answer them properly. I know you are struggling to put together a few words that make any sense, but try anyway:

Does Quran say Christians believe in Allah or does it say Christians "who" believe in Allah....?

Here is a surprising revelation, if you can prove me wrong I would appreciate it.

- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that "their god" favours only them on the basis of their race/tribe/blood and that their god wants all gentiles utterly destroyed for worshipping "other" gods.

- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that the gentile-hating god came in non-gentile human form as his own son to die for the sins of non-gentiles and gentiles!

- One lot of Abrahamaic people believe that they cannot own the God who loves sustains all creation. They "effectively" believe that pious people irrespective of their race/colour/nation end up getting promoted in the hereafter! They also believe that God has no equals and that God has no son god or daughter god.

Jusy Name them boy!

I know what I am doing - I am a "teacher" of "Christianity", "researcher" of "Islam" and an informed "observer" of "Judaism".
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First, Chinese is not a religion.
Second, the unique Chinese religions are not Abrahamic.
Finally, it was you who was trying to be divisive by trying to ridicule other religions. I merely applied what YOU said to my beliefs. I did not disparage anyone else's beliefs. I only supported mine.
Here is what you said.
"Here is a surprising revelation, if you can prove me wrong I would appreciate it.
"- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that "their god" favours only them on the basis of their race/tribe/blood and that their god wants all gentiles utterly destroyed for worshipping "other" gods.
"- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that the gentile-hating god came in non-gentile human form as his own son to die for the sins of non-gentiles and gentiles!
"- One lot of Abrahamaic people believe that they cannot own the God who loves sustains all creation. They "effectively" believe that pious people irrespective of their race/colour/nation end up getting promoted in the hereafter! They also believe that God has no equals and that God has no son god or daughter god.
Name them!"
I was making some real observation concerning worship of God of Abraham/Noah and how it has been "adulterated" or has been glossed over by men:

"1- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that "their god" favours only them on the basis of their race/tribe/blood and that their god wants all gentiles utterly destroyed for worshipping "other" gods.
"2- One lot of Abrahamaic people "effectively" believe that the gentile-hating god came in non-gentile human form as his own son to die for the sins of non-gentiles and gentiles!
"3- One lot of Abrahamaic people believe that they cannot own the God who loves sustains all creation. They "effectively" believe that pious people irrespective of their race/colour/nation end up getting promoted in the hereafter! They also believe that God has no equals and that God has no son god or daughter god.

You know you are wrong to refer to the last lot as Noahide because "Noahidism" of today is a fudge. It is just a second class compartment going nowhere. It is a cop out to make people forget the heavy proselytizing that went on long before Jesus under one category of Abrahamaics.

Honest Paul (the Pharisee?) tried a cut down version of it to hook the gentiles who are now convinced that they are born sinners!

The Chinese have an important part to play in this. Which one of the above three will accept the Chinese?

We need a bit of honesty. You are unwilling to admit that you belong to category 1.

If you are honest you will come out and say it loud.
God loves those who are honest.
(Let me put it another way...which category do you belong to?)
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Eric wrote:
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Do you know what SC's personal religious beliefs are? You might want to check with him on that first.
It really does not matter because he is a lightweight whose efforts are further thwarted by his language issues.
He jumps to conclusions without bothering to read posts properly.
He will never admit that he is wrong when on three occasions he was exposed as a liar with the use of links.
Yes, I am guilty of teasing him a bit, but no malice intended!
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Alex123 aka WM wrote:
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-"May" not be the father of Jesus? Who says that? You or Christian?
Muslims categorically say God is NOT Jesus' Father.
- Do "Christians" believe in God the Son?
- You NEED to talk to Rabbi, because no Jew who practises Judaism as his religion, has ever believed Jesus either!
- I have given all the answers but you cannot understand it.
You have given me nothing. All you have done is try and run around the contradiction. As far as the Koran goes, it was Allah who the Jews and the Christians the scriptures. When the Koran talks about Christians and Jews, it's referring to Jews and Christians in general. Let us read 2:62 line by line.

2:62 - "Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad)"

The first line indicates Mohammadans like you.

"and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right"

All Jews, Christians, and Mohammadans believe in one almighty god. The same Allah that allegedly gave them their scripture. The same Allah that allegedly gave you guys the Koran. Allah in Arabic simply means "God". Arabic speakers of all Abrahamic faiths use the word "Allah" to mean God. If you are too thick to understand, then there is nothing I can do about it.

No need to talk to a Rabbi. Jews never accepted Jesus & Mohammad as the messengers and hence the contradiction. Because 2:62 clearly states that Jews have nothing to fear. 4:150-151 tells us the complete ie they will burn in hell.
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Well said, HughBe
SC considers himself the best white-washed tomb. lol!
Have a good day. It is good night from me.
BMZ---Well said, HughBe

HughBe-- Thanks , BMZ.

BMZ---SC considers himself the best white-washed tomb

HughBe--- perhaps he is

BMZ---It is good night from me

HughBe--- Good night
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Mahmood wrote:
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You have given me nothing. All you have done is try and run around the contradiction. As far as the Koran goes, it was Allah who the Jews and the Christians the scriptures. When the Koran talks about Christians and Jews, it's referring to Jews and Christians in general. Let us read 2:62 line by line.
2:62 - "Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad)"
The first line indicates Mohammadans like you.
"and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right"
All Jews, Christians, and Mohammadans believe in one almighty god. The same Allah that allegedly gave them their scripture. The same Allah that allegedly gave you guys the Koran. Allah in Arabic simply means "God". Arabic speakers of all Abrahamic faiths use the word "Allah" to mean God. If you are too thick to understand, then there is nothing I can do about it.
No need to talk to a Rabbi. Jews never accepted Jesus & Mohammad as the messengers and hence the contradiction. Because 2:62 clearly states that Jews have nothing to fear. 4:150-151 tells us the complete ie they will burn in hell.
You will burn in hell.
You know why...you are deliberately referring to the Holy Quran as koran.
You are referring to Muslims as mohamamdans.
You really are an ignorant fool who picks rubbish from antio muslim sites.
No matter how many times we clarify it..you come back with a load of tripe.
Why don't you take a hike?
Until you learn to refer to the Quran as Quran and Muslims as Muslims you can get lost.

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