Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 Full story: The Brussels Journal 207,276

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Frijoles

Madison, CT

#155246 Nov 30, 2012
bmz wrote:
Now, this is what I call excellent!
My hat off to Rabbi Michael Lerner.
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/28/opinion/ler...
Some fine extracts:
"The de facto strategy of past and present Israeli governments of seeking security through domination and by pushing Palestinians out of their homes, or allowing right-wing religious fanatics to create settlements throughout the West Bank to ensure that no Palestinian state could have contiguous parts, has not and cannot work to provide safety for Israel.
Israel's fate and its well-being are intrinsically linked to the well-being of the Palestinian people. It's time for the powerful to show generosity to the relatively powerless.
So those in the U.S. and Israel who want Israel to be secure should welcome the Palestinian Authority's decision to seek observer status as a nonmember state in the United Nations. The authority has agreed to return to negotiations with Israel without conditions once that status has been granted. The goal is creation of a state living in peace with Israel in borders roughly approximating those of the before than 1967 war, with minor border changes mutually agreeable through negotiations.
So who opposes this? Hamas, Israel and the U.S."
http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/62960/oba...

President Barack Obama declared this week that there could be no shortcut to peace between Israel and the Palestinians, as he sought to head off a United Nations showdown over Palestinian statehood.

“Peace will not come through statements and resolutions at the United Nations — if it were that easy, it would have been accomplished by now,” Obama said in a Sept. 21 speech to the U.N. General Assembly.“Ultimately, it is the Israelis and the Palestinians who must live side by side.

“Ultimately, it is the Israelis and the Palestinians — not us — who must reach agreement on the issues that divide them.”
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#155247 Nov 30, 2012
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/20...

Media Ignore Palestinian Talk of No Jews Allowed in Palestinian State

As attention has turned to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict with the Palestinian Authority planning to seek recognition for a Palestinian state by the United Natinos on Friday, the media have almost universally ignored last week's prediction by Maen Areikat, the Palestine Liberation Organization envoy to the United States, that Israelis - presumably referring to Israeli Jews rather than Israeli Arabs - would be removed from such a Palestinian state.

And, although the allegedly moderate Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas has a history of being even more direct in declaring that not a single Jew would be allowed to live in a Palestinian state - not even Jews from other countries serving as part of a hypothetical NATO peacekeeping force - a small number of the media outlets that bothered to pay attention to the issue at all have naively allowed Areikat to dubiously backtrack and claim that Jews would indeed be welcome in such a Palestinian state. But Areikat himself last year in an interview with Tablet magazine had more explicitly than last week argued that Jews should be removed.

------

In other words, Palestinians should be granted the right to return to Isreal proper, and Israeli Arabs should have the right to continue to live in Israel proper, but no Jews are allowed in a new Palestine.(Thanks but no thanks)

Does the word "ethnic cleansing" sound familiar?
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#155248 Nov 30, 2012
bmz wrote:
Are you suggesting that Jesus and his close disciples were also descendants of apes and pigs? Do you acknowledge that, Buford?
I'm suggesting that Mohammad's "divinely revealed" ANTI-JEW rhetoric is to blame for the hatred of Muslims for Jews as Jews TODAY. For example, in Saudi Arabia, that land of the Pure Semites: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_...

Saudi Arabian media often attacks Jews in books, news articles, at their Mosques and with what some describe as antisemitic satire. Saudi Arabian government officials and state religious leaders often promote the idea that Jews are conspiring to take over the entire world; as proof of their claims they publish and frequently cite The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as factual.

One Saudi Arabian government newspaper suggested that hatred of all Jews is justifiable. "Why are they (the Jews) hated by all the people which hosted them, such as Iraq and Egypt thousands years ago, and Germany, Spain, France and the UK, up to the days they gained of power over the capital and the press, in order to rewrite the history?"

Saudi textbooks vilify Jews (and Christians and non-Wahabi Muslims): according to The Washington Post, Saudi textbooks claimed by them to have been sanitized of antisemitism still call Jews apes (and Christians swine); demand that students avoid and not befriend Jews; claim that Jews worship the devil; and encourage Muslims to engage in Jihad to vanquish Jews.
__________
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#155249 Nov 30, 2012
BTW, cynophobia is the fear of dogs, not "dogaphobia."
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#155250 Nov 30, 2012
Zionism is Evil.
There is no point in legitimising something that has no legitmacy.

Ever since the poor "Jews"(mainly a collection of european converts with questionalbe semitic blood) were dumped in Palestine, NOTHING good has come out of that place!

It is just like reading the Old Testament stories!
They are living the life of Old Testament- murders and murders...from Jacob..David..Judah and the lot!! kill..kill..kill..."utter ly destroy" and paranoia.

Why is that wherever they go they bring misery and hatred upon themselves?

Israel shall always be a misadventure, propped up by lying "Christian" politicians who want the world to forget what they did to the "Christ Killing" Jews from about 200AD up until the Holocaust..and even now.

Why didn't they create a safe haven for Jews in a friendly country like USA?

Why does this "slave g-d" so desperately want his masters to live in one particular part of planet earth when the whole world is spread out like carpet for all humans to occupy?

The raison d'etre for "Israel" is non existent!

If it was "grabbed" for ALL Jews then they must ALL go there instead of living in "Christian" West.

Incidentally this was the original plan of the persona "Hitler" and many European "Christian" nations who wanted the "Christ killers" out of their backyard!

If Jews are allowed to stay peacefully in "Christian" West, there is no need for them to build on an artificial state that continues to terrorise its neighbours and takes more land from them.

If the Gospel bashing "Christians" accept the Jews as "Non Christ Killers", almost all the main problems will be solved overnight!

(HUGE HINT: Quran says JEWS DID NOT KILL JESUS!!)

The WHOLE world can see the atrocities committed by this "terror state" known as Israel except for a few countries where Zionist media have been pumping BS for the brain dead so they never get to see the truth.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#155251 Nov 30, 2012
Buford wrote:
BTW, cynophobia is the fear of dogs, not "dogaphobia."
bu(ttturdlick)phobia= avoiding an asslicker of non-gentiles?
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#155252 Nov 30, 2012
GREEK DEBT and GERMANY....Deja vu??

The Greeks hate Germany for imposing austerity.
The Germans hate Greeks for defaulting on LOANS.
Ah....."LOANS"?????

Who lent them the money? Ah...the BANKS!

Who owns the BANKS? ah...the JEWS!

Oh dear....oh dear....

The Greeks hate Germans and Germans hate Greeks because the JEWISH banks based in (France and) Germany lent money at HIGH interest rates to Greeks that cannot be serviced by Greeks!

Now the Greeks and Germans hate the JEWISH bankers!

Israel certainly does not help bring about love for Jewish bankers!

Please Israel wake up. Stop being arrogant. It takes only a few mistakes and you are in sh&t with millions of your fellow non-gentiles in the West.
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#155253 Nov 30, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
Zionism is Evil.
There is no point in legitimising something that has no legitmacy.
Ever since the poor "Jews"(mainly a collection of european converts with questionalbe semitic blood) were dumped in Palestine, NOTHING good has come out of that place!
It is just like reading the Old Testament stories!
They are living the life of Old Testament- murders and murders...from Jacob..David..Judah and the lot!! kill..kill..kill..."utter ly destroy" and paranoia.
Why is that wherever they go they bring misery and hatred upon themselves?
Israel shall always be a misadventure, propped up by lying "Christian" politicians who want the world to forget what they did to the "Christ Killing" Jews from about 200AD up until the Holocaust..and even now.
Why didn't they create a safe haven for Jews in a friendly country like USA?
Why does this "slave g-d" so desperately want his masters to live in one particular part of planet earth when the whole world is spread out like carpet for all humans to occupy?
The raison d'etre for "Israel" is non existent!
If it was "grabbed" for ALL Jews then they must ALL go there instead of living in "Christian" West.
Incidentally this was the original plan of the persona "Hitler" and many European "Christian" nations who wanted the "Christ killers" out of their backyard!
If Jews are allowed to stay peacefully in "Christian" West, there is no need for them to build on an artificial state that continues to terrorise its neighbours and takes more land from them.
If the Gospel bashing "Christians" accept the Jews as "Non Christ Killers", almost all the main problems will be solved overnight!
(HUGE HINT: Quran says JEWS DID NOT KILL JESUS!!)
The WHOLE world can see the atrocities committed by this "terror state" known as Israel except for a few countries where Zionist media have been pumping BS for the brain dead so they never get to see the truth.
whatever
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#155254 Nov 30, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
GREEK DEBT and GERMANY....Deja vu??
The Greeks hate Germany for imposing austerity.
The Germans hate Greeks for defaulting on LOANS.
Ah....."LOANS"?????
Who lent them the money? Ah...the BANKS!
Who owns the BANKS? ah...the JEWS!
Oh dear....oh dear....
The Greeks hate Germans and Germans hate Greeks because the JEWISH banks based in (France and) Germany lent money at HIGH interest rates to Greeks that cannot be serviced by Greeks!
Now the Greeks and Germans hate the JEWISH bankers!
Israel certainly does not help bring about love for Jewish bankers!
Please Israel wake up. Stop being arrogant. It takes only a few mistakes and you are in sh&t with millions of your fellow non-gentiles in the West.
You were born in the wrong era. You would of made a great Nazi.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#155255 Nov 30, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
You were born in the wrong era. You would of made a great Nazi.
Thank you.
I have already posted my opinion on "Israel" if it were renamed as "Ishmael". If you can't see my neutral stance, then its your problem.

Sadly, yours sound like the typical response from a REAL Nazi, although I don't consider you to be one.

Do you not see anything SERIOUSLY wrong with what Israel is doing to the natives?

The REAL Nazis are occupying Palestine I am afraid.

The clever ploy by REAL nazis is to make others look like Nazis.

The clever ploy by REAL conspirators is to ridicule others as conspiracy theorists.

The clever ploy by REAL invading murderers is to pretend that they are the victims.

Please read carefully....do you not see a parallel?
GREEK DEBT and GERMANY....Deja vu??

The Greeks hate Germany for imposing austerity.
The Germans hate Greeks for defaulting on LOANS.
Ah....."LOANS"?????

Who lent them the money? Ah...the BANKS!

Who owns the BANKS? ah...the JEWS!

Oh dear....oh dear....

The Greeks hate Germans and Germans hate Greeks because the JEWISH banks based in (France and) Germany lent money at HIGH interest rates to Greeks that cannot be serviced by Greeks!

Now the Greeks and Germans hate the JEWISH bankers!

Israel certainly does not help bring about love for Jewish bankers!

Please Israel wake up. Stop being arrogant. It takes only a few mistakes and you are in sh&t with millions of your fellow non-gentiles in the West.

(HUGE HINT: Quran says JEWS DID NOT KILL JESUS!!)
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#155256 Nov 30, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
whatever
But surely you must agree that Zionism is Evil.

There is no point in legitimising something that has no legitmacy.
Ever since the poor "Jews"(mainly a collection of european converts with questionalbe semitic blood) were dumped in Palestine, NOTHING good has come out of that place!
It is just like reading the Old Testament stories!
They are living the life of Old Testament- murders and murders...from Jacob..David..Judah and the lot!! kill..kill..kill..."utter ly destroy" and paranoia.
Why is that wherever they go they bring misery and hatred upon themselves?
Israel shall always be a misadventure, propped up by lying "Christian" politicians who want the world to forget what they did to the "Christ Killing" Jews from about 200AD up until the Holocaust..and even now.
Why didn't they create a safe haven for Jews in a friendly country like USA?
Why does this "slave g-d" so desperately want his masters to live in one particular part of planet earth when the whole world is spread out like carpet for all humans to occupy?
The raison d'etre for "Israel" is non existent!
If it was "grabbed" for ALL Jews then they must ALL go there instead of living in "Christian" West.
Incidentally this was the original plan of the persona "Hitler" and many European "Christian" nations who wanted the "Christ killers" out of their backyard!
If Jews are allowed to stay peacefully in "Christian" West, there is no need for them to build on an artificial state that continues to terrorise its neighbours and takes more land from them.
If the Gospel bashing "Christians" accept the Jews as "Non Christ Killers", almost all the main problems will be solved overnight!
(HUGE HINT: Quran says JEWS DID NOT KILL JESUS!!)
The WHOLE world can see the atrocities committed by this "terror state" known as Israel except for a few countries where Zionist media have been pumping BS for the brain dead so they never get to see the truth.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155257 Nov 30, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/62960/oba...

President Barack Obama declared this week that there could be no shortcut to peace between Israel and the Palestinians, as he sought to head off a United Nations showdown over Palestinian statehood.

“Peace will not come through statements and resolutions at the United Nations — if it were that easy, it would have been accomplished by now,” Obama said in a Sept. 21 speech to the U.N. General Assembly.“Ultimately, it is the Israelis and the Palestinians who must live side by side.
“Ultimately, it is the Israelis and the Palestinians — not us — who must reach agreement on the issues that divide them.”
Actually Obama should keep his mouth shut and so should all top members of his administration
and every American President should do the same.

So, he should practice what he preached. America and the other few should stay out and let them talk to each other.

Obama has not come up with anything new and wise. I have said a dozen years ago the same and so did many on various forums.

I would go to the extent to say that Rabbi Lerner has really pressed the jugular, which even the American President could neither dream nor think of.

Leaving aside what this man has said in the past, I find his thoughts extremely noble and precious.

Israel is a bully to Palestinians, who have no military might. Why another big bully support her and why would another bully let the talks succeed?

Look at the bigotry of France. It was the first country to recognize a band of hooligans and killes as the legitimate government of Syria. Why can't it be the first to recognize the Palestinian state?

138 members accepted the move. That says a lot. That 9 opposed, shows that they do not matter. Those, who abstained, were real bigots.

I think someone should send the link to Obama.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/28/opinion/ler...

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155258 Nov 30, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you know why Israel opposes this?
because ABBAS has refused to give statements or assurances that:
1. There will be one state for the Jews and one state for the Palestinians (i.e. his charter calls for a Palestinian state and a hybird state which is rather unreciprical)
2. He has stated in the past that they are to use the nonmember status to pursue Israel in the world court - which has had a lousy track record towards fairness (google Goldstone report for an example of this)
3. Despite Abbas overture for negotiation, in the past there has been nothing keeping him from these negotiations - the Israelis over the last several years have been asking for the Palestinians to return to negotiations
At the end of the day, its not the UN that makes states (they have no authority) but the parties. So this excercise really changes nothing except to showcase Palestinian intransigence.
Most Jews want a Palestinian state. This is not news (however it should be noted that Lerner is not very popular as a leader) But until the Palestinians accept Israel and behave like neighbors, many Jews will be opposed to a state in the short run.
Looks like you missed reading this part from the Rabbi's view:

" So those in the U.S. and Israel who want Israel to be secure should welcome the Palestinian Authority's decision to seek observer status as a nonmember state in the United Nations.

*****The authority has agreed to return to negotiations with Israel without conditions once that status has been granted.*****

The goal is creation of a state living in peace with Israel in borders roughly approximating those of the before than 1967 war, with minor border changes mutually agreeable through negotiations.

Please read the para that I have highlighted with *****.
Mahmood

Woodstock, Canada

#155259 Nov 30, 2012
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
It is all on record. There is no need for MUQ to write about fighting and killing. Buford can do that any time by posting non-stop. Just wind him up. he is efficient.
The killing of all, who were persecuting, torturing, killing the new Muslims and were fighting against the Prophet and the infant Islam, was perfectly justified.
So, what is the problem?
The problem is that like all cultist/narcissists, Mohammad began to show his true colours after he gained some power in Medina. Like a mafia boss, he order hits on those who criticized him - not just those who fought him. In some instances, the fighting was justified, but killing of Asma bint Marwan, Abu Rafi, Um Qirfa, and ethnic cleansing of the Jewish tribes was uncalled for. The Jewish tribes did not attack him.
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#155260 Nov 30, 2012
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Looks like you missed reading this part from the Rabbi's view:
" So those in the U.S. and Israel who want Israel to be secure should welcome the Palestinian Authority's decision to seek observer status as a nonmember state in the United Nations.
*****The authority has agreed to return to negotiations with Israel without conditions once that status has been granted.*****
The goal is creation of a state living in peace with Israel in borders roughly approximating those of the before than 1967 war, with minor border changes mutually agreeable through negotiations.
Please read the para that I have highlighted with *****.
We will see what they do

If they were sincere they would of given the other assurances I listed.

Of note: Israel announced today they were approving another 3000 housing units across the green line. It is widely assumed this is to prevent a continuous Arab settlement from Ramallah to Jerusalem. The Catholic Church also announced that they wanted the parties to start "negotiating" Jerusalem (codeword- give up Jewish soveriegnty). Based upon the Church's predictable response to the UN (which wasnt supposed to bring other actions into the mix), I dont blame Israel for issuing the housing starts.
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#155261 Nov 30, 2012
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually Obama should keep his mouth shut and so should all top members of his administration
and every American President should do the same.
So, he should practice what he preached. America and the other few should stay out and let them talk to each other.
Obama has not come up with anything new and wise. I have said a dozen years ago the same and so did many on various forums.
I would go to the extent to say that Rabbi Lerner has really pressed the jugular, which even the American President could neither dream nor think of.
Leaving aside what this man has said in the past, I find his thoughts extremely noble and precious.
Israel is a bully to Palestinians, who have no military might. Why another big bully support her and why would another bully let the talks succeed?
Look at the bigotry of France. It was the first country to recognize a band of hooligans and killes as the legitimate government of Syria. Why can't it be the first to recognize the Palestinian state?
138 members accepted the move. That says a lot. That 9 opposed, shows that they do not matter. Those, who abstained, were real bigots.
I think someone should send the link to Obama.
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/28/opinion/ler...
And at the end of day, after the Pals went crying to the UN, it is still up to the TWO (and only two) parties to learn to live with eachother and settle the matter.

So basically Obama was correct
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#155262 Nov 30, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you.
I have already posted my opinion on "Israel" if it were renamed as "Ishmael". If you can't see my neutral stance, then its your problem.
Sadly, yours sound like the typical response from a REAL Nazi, although I don't consider you to be one.
Do you not see anything SERIOUSLY wrong with what Israel is doing to the natives?
The REAL Nazis are occupying Palestine I am afraid.
The clever ploy by REAL nazis is to make others look like Nazis.
The clever ploy by REAL conspirators is to ridicule others as conspiracy theorists.
The clever ploy by REAL invading murderers is to pretend that they are the victims.
Please read carefully....do you not see a parallel?
GREEK DEBT and GERMANY....Deja vu??
The Greeks hate Germany for imposing austerity.
The Germans hate Greeks for defaulting on LOANS.
Ah....."LOANS"?????
Who lent them the money? Ah...the BANKS!
Who owns the BANKS? ah...the JEWS!
Oh dear....oh dear....
The Greeks hate Germans and Germans hate Greeks because the JEWISH banks based in (France and) Germany lent money at HIGH interest rates to Greeks that cannot be serviced by Greeks!
Now the Greeks and Germans hate the JEWISH bankers!
Israel certainly does not help bring about love for Jewish bankers!
Please Israel wake up. Stop being arrogant. It takes only a few mistakes and you are in sh&t with millions of your fellow non-gentiles in the West.
(HUGE HINT: Quran says JEWS DID NOT KILL JESUS!!)
According to you, Jews control the banking system. That is in line with what the Nazis (and others)thought.

I will not be wasting anymore time with you.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155263 Nov 30, 2012
Mahmood wrote:
<quoted text>
The problem is that like all cultist/narcissists, Mohammad began to show his true colours after he gained some power in Medina. Like a mafia boss, he order hits on those who criticized him - not just those who fought him. In some instances, the fighting was justified, but killing of Asma bint Marwan, Abu Rafi, Um Qirfa, and ethnic cleansing of the Jewish tribes was uncalled for. The Jewish tribes did not attack him.
You see, you make statement like Internet Junkies and write rubbish.

How silly and stupid of you to write, "and ethnic cleansing of the Jewish tribes was uncalled for."

Banu Nadir and Banu Qaynuqa were allowed to go into exile. Right? So where was the ethnic cleansing? The Jewish tribes sided with the Meccan pagans, even according to your own internet sources. They were the ones, who brought up the Meccans to destroy the Prophet and Muslims.

They attacked together with the Meccans and lost, when the Meccans left them alone and went back.

That is why I said all killing was justified! Do you think the buggers Asma bint Marwan, Abu Rafi, Um Qirfa and others were very nice, kind and loving people?

There was no order from the Prophet to kill anyone. If killing had been on his mind, blood would have flowed through the streets of Mecca, when the Prophet made the Grand Triumphal Re-Entry
into Mecca. Did he kill all the Meccans or did he carry out ethnic cleansing of Meccans?

How can you choose to be ignorant? Were the leaders of the Jewish tribes innocent men, according to your own sources?

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155264 Nov 30, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
And at the end of day, after the Pals went crying to the UN, it is still up to the TWO (and only two) parties to learn to live with eachother and settle the matter.
So basically Obama was correct
I am on record for saying the same thing. Both bloody fools need to sit down and talk, without the outsiders. Obama was correct in saying that but the man never had it in the bottom of his heart.
He still sides with a bully that terrorizes the Palestinians. America can never be the peace-maker in this case.

I think the Rabbi analyzed and said it really well compared with Obama's 1-2 liner.

Frijoles, if Obama had said what the Rabbi had said, there would be peace within a few weeks.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155265 Nov 30, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
We will see what they do
If they were sincere they would of given the other assurances I listed.
Of note: Israel announced today they were approving another 3000 housing units across the green line. It is widely assumed this is to prevent a continuous Arab settlement from Ramallah to Jerusalem. The Catholic Church also announced that they wanted the parties to start "negotiating" Jerusalem (codeword- give up Jewish soveriegnty). Based upon the Church's predictable response to the UN (which wasnt supposed to bring other actions into the mix), I dont blame Israel for issuing the housing starts.
The Catholic Church cannot be trusted at all.

Your own government has always condemned the building of houses. Looks like one fine day, the Palestinians will get all those condominiums. lol!

Good night

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