Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 Full story: The Brussels Journal 207,319

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

Full Story
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#155198 Nov 29, 2012
uhuh wrote:
look at the Hasmoneans who tried to observe all the mitzvot,
they fought the Greek occupiers, kill Jewish apostates among them and conquered their neighbors; burning the Samaritan temple at Gerizim, and forcibly converting Edomites and Ituraeans in the process
more murders!
their book is full of murders and they passed the books onto unsuspecting modern day mules...known as Christians who have nothing to do with non gentiles slave god!
clever ploy indeed...
just like blood libel has been passed on to them post 1945.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#155204 Nov 29, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you speak English please.
We are not interested in bs torah lingo mumbo jumbo now that we know the books have been corrupted by liars to give themselves their own slave god.
Thank you.
rabbee: then you deserve the very same, critter judgement as syria today. none of your scriptures are valid, their just another con job against G-D. as your blastphemy accuses G-D, of being the liar that you actually are.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#155205 Nov 29, 2012
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: then you deserve the very same, critter judgement as syria today. none of your scriptures are valid, their just another con job against G-D. as your blastphemy accuses G-D, of being the liar that you actually are.
Who is this g-d??
No real GOD would be a slobbering slave to one tribe or race offering them land and favour!!
No GOD would be telling non-gentiles to kill off all gentiles..
Now that g-d is not a good GOD!!
Not interested.
Speak English.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#155206 Nov 29, 2012
The Brits, French, and Zionists try to use each other in WW1
Zionism got established in 1896, but not much happened with it until World War 1.
Exactly what role the Zionists played during World War 1 is a mystery. All we know for certain is that the Zionists were looking for help in creating Israel.
Before I continue, you should be aware that during wars there is a lot of lying, manipulation, spying, fake documents, and double crossing. You cannot expect historians to make sense of events during a war because the lying and deception is at extreme levels.
We know that during the war both the British and French governments gave the Zionists a document which offered support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine, although in such a vague manner that neither government was actually committing to anything.
The questions I cannot answer are: Did the Zionists outsmart the British and French in order to get those documents? Or did the British and French give the Zionists those documents in an attempt to use the Zionists in some manner? Or (most likely) were all three groups trying to take advantage of one another?
Some historians believe the British government was trying to use the Zionists to bring America into the war, thereby providing Britain with some assistance. In this scenario, Britain wanted the Zionists to encourage the American Jews to put pressure on the American government to get into in the war.
Other historians believe that some British government officials may have been thinking that it would be to Britain's advantage to have Zionists in Palestine because that would put some friends of Britain near the Suez canal.
Furthermore, some historians believe that some British officials also made promises to Arabs, while other officials made promises to France.
If this situation seems confusing, remember, this was a time of war. Individual government officials sometimes act on their own, promising things they cannot deliver, and promising things that conflict with the promises of other officials. And sometimes government officials make promises that they have no intention of keeping.
Nobody will ever know exactly what the Zionists, British, or French were thinking (most of those people are dead already), or who was involved in what, or how these three groups were trying to use, abuse, and/or double cross one another. All we know is that in June of 1917 the French gave the Zionists a document that expressed support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine, and in November of 1917 the British government did also.
The French document was so vague that it essentially stated, "Hey, a homeland for Jews! Great idea! Good Luck!"
The British document had a bit more substance. Not surprisingly, the French document never became important to the Zionists, while the British document became referred to as the “Balfour Declaration”.
The Balfour Declaration stated that the British government would help the Jews create a homeland in Palestine as long as it did not bother the Palestinians. Exactly how the British could accomplish such a feat was what we might refer to as “a minor detail” that the British never bothered to explain. The British government had agreed to something that they could easily back out of on the grounds that they cannot see how they can help the Jews without annoying the Palestinians.
What this means is that the Zionists did not get anything of value from the British or the French.
Did the British or the French get anything from the Zionists? Since it appears that the Zionists helped encourage America to get into the war, it seems that the British got what they wanted. Therefore, we might say that it appears as if the British outsmarted the Zionists in this particular situation.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#155207 Nov 29, 2012
A HUGE Blow to the Non-Gentile Zionists.....who cannot take Gentile Christians for granted:

Thursday saw the vast majority of United Nations members agreed to upgrade Palestinians’ status within the world body.

PALESTINIANS have held observer status at the UN since 1974, but Thursday’s vote effectively elevated PALESTINE'S status to that of a “non-member state”– THE SAME STATUS as THE VATICAN!!!!

This provides an instant injection of legitimacy into the Palestinian cause, bringing it one step closer to full statehood recognition.

It also puts new pressure on Israel that has been thwarting decades of negotiations to create a new Palestinian state and establish a lasting peace.

LOOK AT THE FIGURES...THE NON-GENTILES HAVE NO SUPPORT FOR THEIR TERROR STATE....
The resolution upgrading the Palestinians' status to a nonmember observer state at the United Nations was approved by a vote of 138-9 with 41 abstentions.

NOW THAT IS A "HUGE" MARGIN I WOULD SAY!!
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#155208 Nov 29, 2012
Europe shifts towards fairness..More on the UN Votes....

The voting represents a significant shift in Europe’s position on Palestinian membership at the United Nations.

Last year, the Palestinian Authority sought membership in a U.N. body called the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO), seen as a test case for today’s bid.

Here’s how Europe's vote has shifted - the big changes between the 2011 vote and today’s votes are:

Five (5) countries switched from “abstain” to “yes”: Italy, Denmark, Switzerland, Portugal, Georgia.

Three (3) countries switched from “no” to “abstain”: Germany, Netherlands, Lithuania.

One (1) country switched from “no” to “yes”: Sweden.

One (1) country was absent: Ukraine, which had abstained in 2011.

Excluding Ukraine’s absence, that means that nine European countries moved their votes in a way that suggests greater support for Palestinian U.N. statehood efforts.

That might well represent shifting European diplomatic energy away from the Israeli-Palestinian peace process (the U.S. and Israel have warned that approving the Palestinians’ bid would undermine the process) and toward supporting more such unilateral Palestinian efforts.

It is difficult to see good news here for Israel or the U.S.!!
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#155209 Nov 29, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Who is this g-d??
No real GOD would be a slobbering slave to one tribe or race offering them land and favour!!
No GOD would be telling non-gentiles to kill off all gentiles..
Now that g-d is not a good GOD!!
Not interested.
Speak English.
rabbee: why ask me, when you can find that all in TheTorah Scroll. as i think you, forget about TheG-D WHO can send you all into slavery. as i do not think, you can find anywhere in TheTorah. where G-D has commanded, anything like what you said.

as you make it apparent, that my G-D and your g-ds are not the same. nor do i believe, that the judgement is based on who is called a gentile, or non-gentile by any of you.

and apparently i do not have, the difficulty in american english that you seem to portray. have you tried, removing the plank before your eyes? but their is a difference in your critter, or satanic english, and my G-Dly english. and since i know them both, i am much wiser than you in this understanding. so do not expect me, to lower my standard down. to your, satanic or baal molechish standards. the most i might go, is using green crayon. that even a child, could understand. G-D does not lower, THEIR Standard to meet any of your's and neither do i.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#155210 Nov 29, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
A HUGE Blow to the Non-Gentile Zionists.....who cannot take Gentile Christians for granted:
Thursday saw the vast majority of United Nations members agreed to upgrade Palestinians’ status within the world body.
PALESTINIANS have held observer status at the UN since 1974, but Thursday’s vote effectively elevated PALESTINE'S status to that of a “non-member state”– THE SAME STATUS as THE VATICAN!!!!
This provides an instant injection of legitimacy into the Palestinian cause, bringing it one step closer to full statehood recognition.
It also puts new pressure on Israel that has been thwarting decades of negotiations to create a new Palestinian state and establish a lasting peace.
LOOK AT THE FIGURES...THE NON-GENTILES HAVE NO SUPPORT FOR THEIR TERROR STATE....
The resolution upgrading the Palestinians' status to a nonmember observer state at the United Nations was approved by a vote of 138-9 with 41 abstentions.
NOW THAT IS A "HUGE" MARGIN I WOULD SAY!!
rabbee: really does it matter, what this whole world against G-D says is true to them? all the power of your talking critter kind put together is not going to stop G-D. so what if all the devil, is on your side? that is not, a good sign for you.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#155211 Nov 29, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>
Definition of SEMITE
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sem...
1a: a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs
b: a descendant of these peoples
2: a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language.
__________
Arabs being the "Purest of All Semite people" means that they are the most inbred, and the least likely to be the descendants of apes and pigs.
With you being available there, why should any one vie for being the descendent of Ape and Pigs?
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#155213 Nov 29, 2012
MUQ wrote:
With you being available there, why should any one vie for being the descendent of Ape and Pigs?
Why MUQ, that's just plain mean of you, to even suggest that I'm a descendant of Ape and Pigs.

Of course, when YOUR prophet Mohammad said the same thing THREE TIMES about certain Sabbath breaking Jews -repeating a Jewish FABLE, by the way- and your Saudi Clerical Masters extend it to include ALL Jews, well, I think that I'll let you believe that I'm not only a descendant of Ape and Pigs, but also of black dogs, since YOUR prophet was also black dogaphobic.

The man was quite superstitious.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#155215 Nov 29, 2012
MUHAMMAD AND THE ANIMALS
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/animals....

Excerpt:

The affair of the Sabbath-breakers, who were punished by being changed into apes, is also supposed to belong to the time of David, but the circumstance is mentioned only in general terms, and nothing definite is given about time or details, except in verse 82, where the time is given, but not the fact. Among the Jews there is no trace of this legend.

SOME MUSLIMS WILL BE TURNED INTO PIGS AND APES AS WELL

Muhammad used this superstition to scare his followers into obedience as well. He foretold that in later times some Muslims would turn to the lusts of the world and fornicate, wear silk, drink alcoholic, and listen to music. Their punishment is that Allah would supernaturally destroy some and others would be transformed into monkeys and pigs.

Bukhari 7.494B:
Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari:
that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him,'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection."
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#155216 Nov 29, 2012
Muslim, Book 004, Number 1032:
Abu Dharr reported: The Messenger of 'Allah (may peace be upon him) said: When any one of you stands for prayer and there is a thing before him equal to the back of the saddle that covers him and in case there is not before him (a thing) equal to the back of the saddle, his prayer would be cut off by (passing of an) ass, woman, and black Dog. I said: O Abu Dharr, what feature is there in a black dog which distinguish it from the red dog and the yellow dog? He said: O, son of my brother, I asked the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) as you are asking me, and he said: The black dog is a devil.
Mahmood

Mississauga, Canada

#155217 Nov 29, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
With you being available there, why should any one vie for being the descendent of Ape and Pigs?
Die hard Mohammadans like you are like used car salesmen...they tell you the good things about the car and hide the bad stuff. You have been writing in this forum for so long and I have yet to see write about all the murders and assassinations carried on at the behest of your prophet.
Morales

London, UK

#155239 Nov 29, 2012
Buford wrote:
Muslim, Book 004, Number 1032:
Abu Dharr reported: The Messenger of 'Allah (may peace be upon him) said: When any one of you stands for prayer and there is a thing before him equal to the back of the saddle that covers him and in case there is not before him (a thing) equal to the back of the saddle, his prayer would be cut off by (passing of an) ass, woman, and black Dog. I said: O Abu Dharr, what feature is there in a black dog which distinguish it from the red dog and the yellow dog? He said: O, son of my brother, I asked the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) as you are asking me, and he said: The black dog is a devil.
be aware of an ass, a black dog and of breaking wind!
truth

Perth, Australia

#155240 Nov 29, 2012
be aware only one rock..arab peninsulla..then finish with all fundation..huuuuuuuuuuu as wind..

''na 'stubovima'' pocivaju temelji zemljine kugle''
http://www.google.com.au/search...

''na stubovima pocivaju temelji zemljine kugle''

like wind huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
finish

be good

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155241 Nov 29, 2012
Now, this is what I call excellent!

My hat off to Rabbi Michael Lerner.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/28/opinion/ler...

Some fine extracts:

"The de facto strategy of past and present Israeli governments of seeking security through domination and by pushing Palestinians out of their homes, or allowing right-wing religious fanatics to create settlements throughout the West Bank to ensure that no Palestinian state could have contiguous parts, has not and cannot work to provide safety for Israel.
Israel's fate and its well-being are intrinsically linked to the well-being of the Palestinian people. It's time for the powerful to show generosity to the relatively powerless.

So those in the U.S. and Israel who want Israel to be secure should welcome the Palestinian Authority's decision to seek observer status as a nonmember state in the United Nations. The authority has agreed to return to negotiations with Israel without conditions once that status has been granted. The goal is creation of a state living in peace with Israel in borders roughly approximating those of the before than 1967 war, with minor border changes mutually agreeable through negotiations.

So who opposes this? Hamas, Israel and the U.S."

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155242 Nov 29, 2012
Mahmood wrote:
<quoted text>
Die hard Mohammadans like you are like used car salesmen...they tell you the good things about the car and hide the bad stuff. You have been writing in this forum for so long and I have yet to see write about all the murders and assassinations carried on at the behest of your prophet.
It is all on record. There is no need for MUQ to write about fighting and killing. Buford can do that any time by posting non-stop. Just wind him up. he is efficient.

The killing of all, who were persecuting, torturing, killing the new Muslims and were fighting against the Prophet and the infant Islam, was perfectly justified.

So, what is the problem?

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155243 Nov 29, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>
Definition of SEMITE
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sem...
1a: a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs
b: a descendant of these peoples
2: a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language.
__________
Arabs being the "Purest of All Semite people" means that they are the most inbred, and the least likely to be the descendants of apes and pigs.
Are you suggesting that Jesus and his close disciples were also descendants of apes and pigs? Do you acknowledge that, Buford?
truth

Perth, Australia

#155244 Nov 29, 2012
why you now in singapore..
why you hide yourself holy Ala..

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooo

you need be good
people need find rights for own life as well peace..its wrong attack..
as well you are wrong or i am wrong..why i am wrong when i say to you Israel is strong..are you not for sure they are not implemented them within themself..yes they are..you try make me stupid..its not nice from you..
now
please holy Ala be good toward me..
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#155245 Nov 30, 2012
bmz wrote:
Now, this is what I call excellent!
My hat off to Rabbi Michael Lerner.
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/28/opinion/ler...
Some fine extracts:
"The de facto strategy of past and present Israeli governments of seeking security through domination and by pushing Palestinians out of their homes, or allowing right-wing religious fanatics to create settlements throughout the West Bank to ensure that no Palestinian state could have contiguous parts, has not and cannot work to provide safety for Israel.
Israel's fate and its well-being are intrinsically linked to the well-being of the Palestinian people. It's time for the powerful to show generosity to the relatively powerless.
So those in the U.S. and Israel who want Israel to be secure should welcome the Palestinian Authority's decision to seek observer status as a nonmember state in the United Nations. The authority has agreed to return to negotiations with Israel without conditions once that status has been granted. The goal is creation of a state living in peace with Israel in borders roughly approximating those of the before than 1967 war, with minor border changes mutually agreeable through negotiations.
So who opposes this? Hamas, Israel and the U.S."
Do you know why Israel opposes this?

because ABBAS has refused to give statements or assurances that:
1. There will be one state for the Jews and one state for the Palestinians (i.e. his charter calls for a Palestinian state and a hybird state which is rather unreciprical)

2. He has stated in the past that they are to use the nonmember status to pursue Israel in the world court - which has had a lousy track record towards fairness (google Goldstone report for an example of this)

3. Despite Abbas overture for negotiation, in the past there has been nothing keeping him from these negotiations - the Israelis over the last several years have been asking for the Palestinians to return to negotiations

At the end of the day, its not the UN that makes states (they have no authority) but the parties. So this excercise really changes nothing except to showcase Palestinian intransigence.

Most Jews want a Palestinian state. This is not news (however it should be noted that Lerner is not very popular as a leader) But until the Palestinians accept Israel and behave like neighbors, many Jews will be opposed to a state in the short run.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Pagan/Wiccan Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Satanists Unveil Design for Statehouse Statue (Jan '14) Thu thefinestallmoved... 16
Why Atheism Will Replace Religion (Aug '12) Dec 10 God worships Sin ... 14,477
Student expelled for casting a spell (Jan '14) Nov 22 Stay6c 6
Is reincarnation real?? (Feb '11) Nov '14 holysupremacy 70
Looking to correspond with Pagan's Nov '14 GordonM 1
drawing with pen Nov '14 scribbles 1
Shadow Energy / Shadow Magic (Feb '08) Nov '14 scribbles 25
More from around the web