Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Brussels Journal

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Frijoles---how DO you negotiate peace with an organization that exists solely to eradicate you?
A followup to that might be

"How can you DISCUSS religion with an ideologically committed Christian evangelical?"

Same conundrum
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I suppose we need more Iranian Santas to develop weapons that specifically target civilians. Cant wait until they develop a nuke.

BMZ I always thought better of you. I still do. But your defense of the Iranians, who by ALL accounts are the biggest instigator and reason for this conflict, is really morally thin. By any account.
Frijoles,

Iranians are a lovely people. They are far, far better than our Arab brothers. Iran is a great country. Iran had been democratic when not a single Muslim nation was democratic. Who destroyed Iran's democracy? Who overthrew the government of democratically elected PM Mosaddeq of Iran in the early fifties?

The British and the Americans. Did you know this?

Pakistan has the nukes. Israel has nukes. So, why can't Iran have nukes?

Do you think a country like Israel, should be allowed to keep nukes? When it comes to barbarity, one can expect Israeli regimes to go berserk and use the nukes, if they get extremely frustrated.

Your answer will now be most likely: "Oh, Israel will never use it."

So, my answer will be: "Iran will also never use it."

Here is something interesting about Richard Armitage:

" According to President Musharraf, of Pakistan, shortly after 9/11, Armitage presented Pakistan with demands for assistance in the campaign against Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. The demands were non-negotiable. Should Pakistan accept, it would be considered a United States ally. Should it decline, Pakistan would be considered an enemy. According to Musharraf, Armitage further averred that, should Pakistan decline, the United States would bomb it 'back to the Stone Age.' Armitage denies having used those words."

Can the US anchor her fleets in the Arabian Sea and send Pakistan back to stone age now? The US cannot and that is why the US would not dare.

If Iran does not get the nukes, it can be easily sent back to the Stone Age by the US. I do not believe that Israel can harm Iran. In our past exchanges, I had told you that Israel is a narrow strip and has no field depth.

Iran must have nukes and I am sure they will get them. America and Israel are a threat to Iran's existence.

See, Frijoles! No one has dared make an Iraq or Afghanistan out of Iran. Israel is no match. That Israel is a military might, is absurd, sheer nonsense and a propaganda.

I believe Iran has already tamed Israel. It considers Israel an annoying bug or a mosquito.

I disagree. The culprits, who are responsible for the mess and instigation, are the US, the UK and Israel.

Please accept the facts.


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You still put some type of equivalency between the Soviets and the Jihadists. That is incorrect. The Soviets were sane, they valued life. Hence we never developed a nuclear conflict. The jihadists play by different rules.
Soviet valued life? You must be crazy to believe that. They have been far more barbaric than Israel.

Don't you know what they did in Afghanistan, and in Europe in the not-too-distant?

To me, even the Americans, the Israelis and soviets are Jihadists. Americans play double game in this conflict and they were never sincere in trying to get it solved. Period.
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Frijoles,
Iranians are a lovely people. They are far, far better than our Arab brothers. Iran is a great country. Iran had been democratic when not a single Muslim nation was democratic. Who destroyed Iran's democracy? Who overthrew the government of democratically elected PM Mosaddeq of Iran in the early fifties?
The British and the Americans. Did you know this?
Pakistan has the nukes. Israel has nukes. So, why can't Iran have nukes?
Do you think a country like Israel, should be allowed to keep nukes? When it comes to barbarity, one can expect Israeli regimes to go berserk and use the nukes, if they get extremely frustrated.
Your answer will now be most likely: "Oh, Israel will never use it."
So, my answer will be: "Iran will also never use it."
Here is something interesting about Richard Armitage:
" According to President Musharraf, of Pakistan, shortly after 9/11, Armitage presented Pakistan with demands for assistance in the campaign against Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. The demands were non-negotiable. Should Pakistan accept, it would be considered a United States ally. Should it decline, Pakistan would be considered an enemy. According to Musharraf, Armitage further averred that, should Pakistan decline, the United States would bomb it 'back to the Stone Age.' Armitage denies having used those words."
Can the US anchor her fleets in the Arabian Sea and send Pakistan back to stone age now? The US cannot and that is why the US would not dare.
If Iran does not get the nukes, it can be easily sent back to the Stone Age by the US. I do not believe that Israel can harm Iran. In our past exchanges, I had told you that Israel is a narrow strip and has no field depth.
Iran must have nukes and I am sure they will get them. America and Israel are a threat to Iran's existence.
See, Frijoles! No one has dared make an Iraq or Afghanistan out of Iran. Israel is no match. That Israel is a military might, is absurd, sheer nonsense and a propaganda.
I believe Iran has already tamed Israel. It considers Israel an annoying bug or a mosquito.
I disagree. The culprits, who are responsible for the mess and instigation, are the US, the UK and Israel.
Please accept the facts.
Neither the US nor Israel has made it a standard diplomatic practice at EVERY International Forum to openly declare the elimination of the Iranian "entity" as a goal.

Iranians may be a lovely people, but they are loving the word to death.

enough said.
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Soviet valued life? You must be crazy to believe that. They have been far more barbaric than Israel.
Don't you know what they did in Afghanistan, and in Europe in the not-too-distant?
To me, even the Americans, the Israelis and soviets are Jihadists. Americans play double game in this conflict and they were never sincere in trying to get it solved. Period.
Push came to shove, the soviet leaders valued life. As well as many of the mid level functionaries. That was why there was never any nuclear war. As far as internal war, of course they were nuts.

If the Jihadists would keep their jihad to themselves, it would not be a concern to us in the west.
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Soviet valued life? You must be crazy to believe that. They have been far more barbaric than Israel.
Don't you know what they did in Afghanistan, and in Europe in the not-too-distant?
To me, even the Americans, the Israelis and soviets are Jihadists. Americans play double game in this conflict and they were never sincere in trying to get it solved. Period.
And why did the soviets leave Afghanistan? Because they got beat. Thats my point. If they were jihadists, they would of stayed to the last man and died. The soviets may have been brutal, but they were not nuts.
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You didnt try hard enough.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&...
Israel has only 1 deep water port and it is small - so there is no place for a substantial naval base. But there are US soldiers all over the country both on leave and on special duty. I have seen them myself.
Plus there is hi tech exchange. Something that the other Arab countries are incapable of doing.
Dont underestimate US support for Israel. Most Americans, after viewing what the Arab spring has turned into, are MORE supportive, not less.
I did try but I don't see the bribery was part of the Camp David agreement. Nothing in there about money.

Just anchor half a kilometer offshore. I see no problem there. The soldiers are mostly off-duty and on leave for fun, Frijoles. That is the only place, where they can have fun in the region.

I do not believe that all American citizens are fully behind Israel. I know that well.

Frijoles, if we let loose 20-30 million rag-heads and towel-heads into Israel, wearing slippers only, IDF will be consumed. Trust me! lol!
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Lovely, indeed

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/25/world/middl...

Iranís President Spreads the Outrage in New York

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran stoked the anger of Israel, the United States, Syrian insurgents and gay rights advocates on Monday, using the first full day of his final visit to the United Nations as Iranís leader to assert that he has no fear of an Israeli attack on his countryís nuclear facilities, regards the Israelis as fleeting aberrations in Middle East history, is neutral in the Syria conflict and considers homosexuality an ugly crime.
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I did try but I don't see the bribery was part of the Camp David agreement. Nothing in there about money.
Just anchor half a kilometer offshore. I see no problem there. The soldiers are mostly off-duty and on leave for fun, Frijoles. That is the only place, where they can have fun in the region.
I do not believe that all American citizens are fully behind Israel. I know that well.
Frijoles, if we let loose 20-30 million rag-heads and towel-heads into Israel, wearing slippers only, IDF will be consumed. Trust me! lol!
Incorrect on the public support. You are confusing the opinions of those who dont read the papers or listen to the news.

Unless you are from Detroit, or are from the far left/right, there is not a soul in the US who reads the media that believes Arabs are really allies, or that Israel is not an ally.
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I did try but I don't see the bribery was part of the Camp David agreement. Nothing in there about money.
Just anchor half a kilometer offshore. I see no problem there. The soldiers are mostly off-duty and on leave for fun, Frijoles. That is the only place, where they can have fun in the region.
I do not believe that all American citizens are fully behind Israel. I know that well.
Frijoles, if we let loose 20-30 million rag-heads and towel-heads into Israel, wearing slippers only, IDF will be consumed. Trust me! lol!
Just about the third link down references it. From a left wing anti-Israel citation never the less. You can call it bribery. Here in the US we call it jobs.
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Neither the US nor Israel has made it a standard diplomatic practice at EVERY International Forum to openly declare the elimination of the Iranian "entity" as a goal.
Iranians may be a lovely people, but they are loving the word to death.
enough said.
Yes, they do not declare openly but that is what's in their hearts. Wouldn't you call that bigotry?

Have you ever heard any Iranian minister talking about taking out Dimona? Of course, not. And here you have leaders of the Israeli regime talking about red lines and attacking Iran. How come you disregard, ignore and tolerate those belligerent statements?

Only the new generation from both sides, 80 years from now, will sit down and have peace, after two generations from each side have expired. I allowed the LORD's specified 40 years limit. ;)
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I did try but I don't see the bribery was part of the Camp David agreement. Nothing in there about money.
Just anchor half a kilometer offshore. I see no problem there. The soldiers are mostly off-duty and on leave for fun, Frijoles. That is the only place, where they can have fun in the region.
I do not believe that all American citizens are fully behind Israel. I know that well.
Frijoles, if we let loose 20-30 million rag-heads and towel-heads into Israel, wearing slippers only, IDF will be consumed. Trust me! lol!
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/arch...

U.S. aid to Egypt has historically been conditioned on Egypt meetings its obligations under the 1979 Camp David treaty, which ended three decades of intermittent war with Israel.
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Israel is the largest total recipient of direct economic and military assistance from the United States since World War II, and it was the largest annual recipient from 1976 to 2003.

Since the Iraq War began in 2003, Iraq has overtaken Israel as the largest annual recipient of U.S. aid.[4][5]

A major purchaser and user of U.S. military equipment, Israel is also involved in the joint development of military technology and regularly engages in joint military exercises involving United States and other forces.[2][3]

The relationship has deepened gradually over time, though, as Alan Dowty puts it, it was "not a simple linear process of growing cooperation, but rather a series of tendentious bargaining situations with different strategic and political components in each."[6]

During the Obama administration these relations reached new levels, with the two countries prepared to function in wartime as joint task forces.[7]
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In other words, the US benefits directly because we produce the hardware and sell it to the Isrealis using our money. That is not going change much in the future - its too good of a deal for us. Jobs.
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Yes, they do not declare openly but that is what's in their hearts. Wouldn't you call that bigotry?
Have you ever heard any Iranian minister talking about taking out Dimona? Of course, not. And here you have leaders of the Israeli regime talking about red lines and attacking Iran. How come you disregard, ignore and tolerate those belligerent statements?
Only the new generation from both sides, 80 years from now, will sit down and have peace, after two generations from each side have expired. I allowed the LORD's specified 40 years limit. ;)
Yes, the lovely people - salt of the earth - never hurt a soul outside their country

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_ea...

Elite Iranian unitís commander says his forces are in Syria

http://www.debka.com/article/22562/Three-Iran...

Three Iranian missile experts in Gaza from Lebanon after ceasefire
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/25/world/middl...
Iranís President Spreads the Outrage in New York
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran stoked the anger of Israel, the United States, Syrian insurgents and gay rights advocates on Monday, using the first full day of his final visit to the United Nations as Iranís leader to assert that he has no fear of an Israeli attack on his countryís nuclear facilities, regards the Israelis as fleeting aberrations in Middle East history, is neutral in the Syria conflict and considers homosexuality an ugly crime.
Frijoles, you cannot expect the Iranian President to think and talk like an American or an American President. Not all Americans believe in gay rights and neither do all love gays and homosexuals. Christian Americans hate gays.

One man's meat is another man's poison!

It may appear as an outrage in New York, but there was no outrage in the whole world.

Of course, he has the right to say that Iran has no fear of Israel. Why should Iran fear Israel? What can Israel do to Iran? Pakistan does not care a damn about Israel and nobody fears Israel in Pakistan. Is that a requirement that every country should be scared of Israel, a tin pot country?
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Its ok. I get it that you are Iranian and want to defend your people.

But there are just some facts that can not be spinned.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U nited_States_military_aid_to_I srael
Israel is the largest total recipient of direct economic and military assistance from the United States since World War II, and it was the largest annual recipient from 1976 to 2003.
Since the Iraq War began in 2003, Iraq has overtaken Israel as the largest annual recipient of U.S. aid.[4][5]
A major purchaser and user of U.S. military equipment, Israel is also involved in the joint development of military technology and regularly engages in joint military exercises involving United States and other forces.[2][3]
The relationship has deepened gradually over time, though, as Alan Dowty puts it, it was "not a simple linear process of growing cooperation, but rather a series of tendentious bargaining situations with different strategic and political components in each."[6]
During the Obama administration these relations reached new levels, with the two countries prepared to function in wartime as joint task forces.[7]
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In other words, the US benefits directly because we produce the hardware and sell it to the Isrealis using our money. That is not going change much in the future - its too good of a deal for us. Jobs.
Where can I find that aid was a part of the treaty as mentioned by you? We know about the aid to israel.

The US has been in war time for the last four years under Obama. Right? So, where are the Israeli friends functioning as joint task forces in Afghanistan? How many IDF soldiers are helping the US in Afghansitan and laying down their lives for their American buddies?
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Frijoles, you cannot expect the Iranian President to think and talk like an American or an American President. Not all Americans believe in gay rights and neither do all love gays and homosexuals. Christian Americans hate gays.
One man's meat is another man's poison!
It may appear as an outrage in New York, but there was no outrage in the whole world.
Of course, he has the right to say that Iran has no fear of Israel. Why should Iran fear Israel? What can Israel do to Iran? Pakistan does not care a damn about Israel and nobody fears Israel in Pakistan. Is that a requirement that every country should be scared of Israel, a tin pot country?
No outrage in the whole world?

Western diplomats walk out of Ahmadinejad speech

http://www.france24.com/en/20110922-united-na...

Diplomats from dozens of Western nations walked out of the UN General Assembly hall Thursday as Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad delivered scathing attacks on the US and Western Europe.

The two U.S. diplomats, who specialize in the Middle East, were followed out of the chamber by diplomats from more than 30 countries. They included the 27 European Union members, Australia, New Zealand, Somalia, Liechtenstein, Monaco, San Marino and Macedonia, a U.N. diplomat said.....
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Where can I find that aid was a part of the treaty as mentioned by you? We know about the aid to israel.
The US has been in war time for the last four years under Obama. Right? So, where are the Israeli friends functioning as joint task forces in Afghanistan? How many IDF soldiers are helping the US in Afghansitan and laying down their lives for their American buddies?
Publically the Israelis want NO part of that conflict because the last thing anyone needs is another excuse for rabid jihadists to attack Israel.

Privately, the Israelis have been directly in support, including on the ground, with the Kurds, for many many years.

I would be shocked if the Isrealis didnt exchange intelligence with the Americans as well on a daily basis.
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Where can I find that aid was a part of the treaty as mentioned by you? We know about the aid to israel.
The US has been in war time for the last four years under Obama. Right? So, where are the Israeli friends functioning as joint task forces in Afghanistan? How many IDF soldiers are helping the US in Afghansitan and laying down their lives for their American buddies?
It was part of the deal.

It might not been codified in the actual agreement, but every article states that it was part of the deal.

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